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		<title>By: anriley</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2005/06/19/bad-girl-redux/#comment-3969</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2005 01:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s with parents who talk to their kids in the third person (in that whiny voice)? Mommy doesn&#039;t want you to do that, Shannon. Mommy wants you to come sit down now, Shannon, Okayyyyy ??? 



Hey, I grew up with first-person and commands. I want you to stop that right now and sit down now, young lady. Worked for me and my sisters. 




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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s with parents who talk to their kids in the third person (in that whiny voice)? Mommy doesn&#8217;t want you to do that, Shannon. Mommy wants you to come sit down now, Shannon, Okayyyyy ??? </p>
<p>Hey, I grew up with first-person and commands. I want you to stop that right now and sit down now, young lady. Worked for me and my sisters. </p>
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		<title>By: Lex</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2005/06/19/bad-girl-redux/#comment-3968</link>
		<dc:creator>Lex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2005 18:50:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve never been much of a believer in the proportionate response where kids are concerned. I don&#039;t want to respond proportionately; I want to respond in a way that permanently alters their behavior for the better.



Sometimes there&#039;s no good way to do that that doesn&#039;t involve Social Services, but that&#039;s what I *want*.



My personal favorite awful-kid story comes from my own wedding reception, where a co-worker&#039;s then-4-year-old daughter started rocking the table upon which sat the five-layer wedding cake a relative had meticulously slaved over for days.



&quot;Sweetie, don&#039;t do that,&quot; another relative said. &quot;You&#039;ll tip over the cake.&quot;



Replied the child, &quot;*I* don&#039;t care.&quot;



I personally escorted her out of the building. No cake for you, punk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never been much of a believer in the proportionate response where kids are concerned. I don&#8217;t want to respond proportionately; I want to respond in a way that permanently alters their behavior for the better.</p>
<p>Sometimes there&#8217;s no good way to do that that doesn&#8217;t involve Social Services, but that&#8217;s what I *want*.</p>
<p>My personal favorite awful-kid story comes from my own wedding reception, where a co-worker&#8217;s then-4-year-old daughter started rocking the table upon which sat the five-layer wedding cake a relative had meticulously slaved over for days.</p>
<p>&#8220;Sweetie, don&#8217;t do that,&#8221; another relative said. &#8220;You&#8217;ll tip over the cake.&#8221;</p>
<p>Replied the child, &#8220;*I* don&#8217;t care.&#8221;</p>
<p>I personally escorted her out of the building. No cake for you, punk.</p>
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		<title>By: Pam</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2005/06/19/bad-girl-redux/#comment-3967</link>
		<dc:creator>Pam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2005 14:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, you asked.  Was in the antique store a couple of weeks ago and a woman walked in with 2 young girls.  They touched everything in the store.  Not because they were interested in the stuff, but specifically because she had told them not to.  Carol and I were working our space when they came in.  Thanks to mom, I knew excactly what to do.  I mean-mugged &#039;em!  I can do that eye brow thing that she used to do, only for me, it&#039;s the opposite eyebrow.  These girls were the contraries, they did exactly what their mother told them not to do.  The mom was insulted when the shop owner told one of the girls not to stick her fingers in a fan!  So they got rewarded for their behavior with a trip to Graeters ice cream and we got a &quot;that woman was rude!!&quot; as the mom walked out the door.  Wait til their teen years, she&#039;ll pay for that!  Don&#039;t let the door hit you in the ass lady!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, you asked.  Was in the antique store a couple of weeks ago and a woman walked in with 2 young girls.  They touched everything in the store.  Not because they were interested in the stuff, but specifically because she had told them not to.  Carol and I were working our space when they came in.  Thanks to mom, I knew excactly what to do.  I mean-mugged &#8216;em!  I can do that eye brow thing that she used to do, only for me, it&#8217;s the opposite eyebrow.  These girls were the contraries, they did exactly what their mother told them not to do.  The mom was insulted when the shop owner told one of the girls not to stick her fingers in a fan!  So they got rewarded for their behavior with a trip to Graeters ice cream and we got a &#8220;that woman was rude!!&#8221; as the mom walked out the door.  Wait til their teen years, she&#8217;ll pay for that!  Don&#8217;t let the door hit you in the ass lady!!</p>
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		<title>By: well_suited</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2005/06/19/bad-girl-redux/#comment-3966</link>
		<dc:creator>well_suited</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2005 08:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Colman uses the term &quot;gay-vague&quot; many times in

his article, and it appears to be his own invention.



&quot;Gay-vague&quot; is a term that was coined by a business

journalist, Michael Wilke. The phrase appeared in his

reporting for Advertising Age from 1994-98.



Shouldn&#039;t David Colman at least acknowledge this

source in his article?  Without crediting the source,

is this plagiarism? &quot;Gay-vague&quot; is not a commonly used

phrase in the New York Times. It appears that only one

article from the New York Times archive used this

phrase, back in 1996. 



Information about journalist Michael Wilke&#039;s use of

the phrase &quot;gay-vague&quot; appears at the URL below:



http://www.medill.northwestern.edu/inside/2002/wilke.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Colman uses the term &#8220;gay-vague&#8221; many times in</p>
<p>his article, and it appears to be his own invention.</p>
<p>&#8220;Gay-vague&#8221; is a term that was coined by a business</p>
<p>journalist, Michael Wilke. The phrase appeared in his</p>
<p>reporting for Advertising Age from 1994-98.</p>
<p>Shouldn&#8217;t David Colman at least acknowledge this</p>
<p>source in his article?  Without crediting the source,</p>
<p>is this plagiarism? &#8220;Gay-vague&#8221; is not a commonly used</p>
<p>phrase in the New York Times. It appears that only one</p>
<p>article from the New York Times archive used this</p>
<p>phrase, back in 1996. </p>
<p>Information about journalist Michael Wilke&#8217;s use of</p>
<p>the phrase &#8220;gay-vague&#8221; appears at the URL below:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.medill.northwestern.edu/inside/2002/wilke.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.medill.northwestern.edu/inside/2002/wilke.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: brian stouder</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2005/06/19/bad-girl-redux/#comment-3965</link>
		<dc:creator>brian stouder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2005 02:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;She breastfed him till he was 6.&quot;



Sounds slightly incestuous!  



Once when my 6 year old daughter began throwing an over-tired, over-hot fit while we were at the zoo, we found a shady bench and broke out the bottled water, and I told her that she had a minute to get herself under control, or else we were leaving. Of course, this had no effect at all, and then I had to &quot;make good&quot;.



As we exited the zoo my 9 year old son was keeping just enough distance so that he might not be associated with his screeching sister and his stern-faced dad.



And of course, the shady bench from whence we began our egress was way, way back in the zoo, so that our big exit seemed interminably long. 



the funny part was all the little smiles (&#039;glad it&#039;s not me!&#039;) and remarks that other parents made as we progressed toward the gate. It was crowded that day, but folks cleared us a path.



The one nice thing is that I only had to use that threat once subsequent to that, and it had the desired effect</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;She breastfed him till he was 6.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sounds slightly incestuous!  </p>
<p>Once when my 6 year old daughter began throwing an over-tired, over-hot fit while we were at the zoo, we found a shady bench and broke out the bottled water, and I told her that she had a minute to get herself under control, or else we were leaving. Of course, this had no effect at all, and then I had to &#8220;make good&#8221;.</p>
<p>As we exited the zoo my 9 year old son was keeping just enough distance so that he might not be associated with his screeching sister and his stern-faced dad.</p>
<p>And of course, the shady bench from whence we began our egress was way, way back in the zoo, so that our big exit seemed interminably long. </p>
<p>the funny part was all the little smiles (&#8216;glad it&#8217;s not me!&#8217;) and remarks that other parents made as we progressed toward the gate. It was crowded that day, but folks cleared us a path.</p>
<p>The one nice thing is that I only had to use that threat once subsequent to that, and it had the desired effect</p>
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		<title>By: deb</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2005/06/19/bad-girl-redux/#comment-3964</link>
		<dc:creator>deb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2005 21:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>har. i thought you were gonna say he called him &quot;moron.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>har. i thought you were gonna say he called him &#8220;moron.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: mary</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2005/06/19/bad-girl-redux/#comment-3963</link>
		<dc:creator>mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2005 19:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s the kid, Nance. He&#039;s bummed him mother out big time by going to some undistinguished college.  

We live next to the playground/recreation center, and Doron was boy scout age when my older son was about three.  My son and one of his little playmates were digging in the sand and such, when Doron decided to abandon the boy scout meeting, and come out to the playground.  He scared off all the younger kids, and sat at the top of the slide being intimidating. At the time, my son was prone to mixing up the syllables in words, and he referred to Doron that day by the name we still use.  He called him Rodan.  Remember the Japanese flying monster?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s the kid, Nance. He&#8217;s bummed him mother out big time by going to some undistinguished college.  </p>
<p>We live next to the playground/recreation center, and Doron was boy scout age when my older son was about three.  My son and one of his little playmates were digging in the sand and such, when Doron decided to abandon the boy scout meeting, and come out to the playground.  He scared off all the younger kids, and sat at the top of the slide being intimidating. At the time, my son was prone to mixing up the syllables in words, and he referred to Doron that day by the name we still use.  He called him Rodan.  Remember the Japanese flying monster?</p>
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		<title>By: Lance Mannion</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2005/06/19/bad-girl-redux/#comment-3962</link>
		<dc:creator>Lance Mannion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2005 19:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, horrible kid stories today.  I have lots of bad parent stories.  Unfortunately, they all star me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, horrible kid stories today.  I have lots of bad parent stories.  Unfortunately, they all star me.</p>
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		<title>By: Nance</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2005/06/19/bad-girl-redux/#comment-3961</link>
		<dc:creator>Nance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2005 19:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OMG, Mary, that must be &lt;a href=&quot;http://slate.msn.com/id/102689/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this kid!&lt;/a&gt; A great, great read. Recommended. A taste:



&lt;em&gt; (His mother) indulged him. She breastfed him till he was 6. She never restricted him in the matter of manners. For years, he would not sit down and eat dinner with her, she says, a bit regretfully. They were the closest of friends till he hit adolescence. She encouraged any interest he had, never judged him, never criticized him. There were no rules�not that he ever would have heeded them anyway: &quot;I was pigheaded,&quot; Doron says.

&lt;/em&gt;



Sounds like time has told.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG, Mary, that must be <a href="http://slate.msn.com/id/102689/" rel="nofollow">this kid!</a> A great, great read. Recommended. A taste:</p>
<p><em> (His mother) indulged him. She breastfed him till he was 6. She never restricted him in the matter of manners. For years, he would not sit down and eat dinner with her, she says, a bit regretfully. They were the closest of friends till he hit adolescence. She encouraged any interest he had, never judged him, never criticized him. There were no rules�not that he ever would have heeded them anyway: &#8220;I was pigheaded,&#8221; Doron says.</p>
<p></em></p>
<p>Sounds like time has told.</p>
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		<title>By: mary</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2005/06/19/bad-girl-redux/#comment-3960</link>
		<dc:creator>mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2005 18:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Horrible kid stories?  I have a doozy.  Do you remember the &quot;Nobel Sperm Bank?&quot;  It was here in California, and the first child born to a mom who used their services lived up the street from me.  His mom did not believe in stifling all that innate genius he had.  Not only did he leave trails of destruction through the local supermarket, he completely terrorized the playground.  He mother would correct him with terms like, &quot;Doron, is that the best choice in this situation?&quot; 

Recently we saw a less intellectually &quot;special&quot; kid climbing on glass shelves in a fancy shoe store.  When the clerk asked the mother to please stop the kid from doing that, the mother complained that the shop should be &quot;child proof&quot; and that if her kid got hurt, she would sue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Horrible kid stories?  I have a doozy.  Do you remember the &#8220;Nobel Sperm Bank?&#8221;  It was here in California, and the first child born to a mom who used their services lived up the street from me.  His mom did not believe in stifling all that innate genius he had.  Not only did he leave trails of destruction through the local supermarket, he completely terrorized the playground.  He mother would correct him with terms like, &#8220;Doron, is that the best choice in this situation?&#8221; </p>
<p>Recently we saw a less intellectually &#8220;special&#8221; kid climbing on glass shelves in a fancy shoe store.  When the clerk asked the mother to please stop the kid from doing that, the mother complained that the shop should be &#8220;child proof&#8221; and that if her kid got hurt, she would sue.</p>
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