Comments on: I missed the memo.

By: Joe

Joe — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 13:38:38 +0000

More interesting is that if this mayor was a Republican you’d be all over his ass. It’s humorous to see someone who hates Republicans get all indignant about the fact that some Republicans hate Democrats. Pot…kettle.

By: alex

alex — Tue, 25 Mar 2008 18:51:37 +0000

Aw c’mon. We forgave the Gipper for that big one about how he crawled ashore at Normandy on D-Day. (Or was that Peggy Noonan we forgave?)

By: moe99

moe99 — Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:17:22 +0000

Jeff MM: But the problem with Hillary’s recollection is that the video of her trip shows that there was NO sniper fire even in earshot.

http://matthewyglesias.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/03/hillary_clinton_in_bosnia.php

Moe99

By: Harl Delos

Harl Delos — Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:12:29 +0000

think that Senator Clinton’s best defense is that when she wrote about it in her book, her account was correct; but when she spoke extemporaneously about it, she was found to be innaccurate.

There’s a story about one of the Hunt brothers. I’m quoting it very incorrectly, because it’s probably been 20 years since I read it, and I’ve forgotten, but I’m trying to get the spirit of it. Anyhow, at a cocktail party, Bunkie or Lamar, or whoever it was, said something like, “Well, it was $4 million, not $40 million, and it was puts, not calls, and it was sow bellies, not soybean oil, and it was lost, not made, and it was my brother, not me. But other than those few details, you’ve got the story down, pretty much smack dab correct.”

So if she was confusing this trip with another in which she actually DID have to run from the plane in a crouch, because there was hot lead flying, then nobody should complain, but if she’s confusing herself with Indiana Jones, then she ought to think twice about padding her resume. As Abraham Lincoln apparently said - “No man has a good enough memory to make a successful liar.”

By: Jeff (the mild-mannered one)

Jeff (the mild-mannered one) — Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:59:26 +0000

Having spent some time in the peacetime, stateside USMCR, i’m used to the fact that people who have been shot at suffer from a certain amount of memory creep, military no less than civilian. But when a civilian, having heard shots not fired by a funeral honor guard, within their earshot, recounts later the “sniper fire” that had them sphinctering up, i’m just not bothered.

Most of us know the guys and gals who never talk about it generally would have the most to say, but prefer not to. When they choose to share their story, we gather close and listen respectfully. But that doesn’t mean i disrespect Sen. Clinton for what may be a slightly amped recounting of her time near a fuzzy front.

Plus, isn’t she running for office or something?

By: brian stouder

brian stouder — Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:49:31 +0000

Michael - just for the record, I most certainly apologize to you, if my previous comments conveyed the impression that I thought you were wrong, or the victim of deception, or whatever.

A few weeks back I was quite put off with HRC’s too-cute answer as to whether Obama was a Muslim, so I can relate to your point of view on this issue, despite that (on Tuzla) our points of view differ.

I was just venting

(by the way - and not for nothing - I will add that back in the day, when I first made the happy discovery of NancyNall.com and began posting here, Ashley thought I was simply a troll….and really, depending on how tightly the term is defined, I suppose he was right!)

By: MichaelG

MichaelG — Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:16:48 +0000

Misremembering who dropped the mashed potatoes is not the same thing as fabricating out of whole cloth a story about getting shot at. A statement of the sort that Mrs. Clinton made is not inadvertent. It is deliberate. Nobody would criticize her for not being a Marine Corps veteran. Nobody would expect her to be a vet. Nobody doubts that she has done service to her country. It’s the false claim to having been involved in hostile action that I find offensive and impossible to accept as a simple misrecollection. Noticing an egregious misstatement is not a “gotcha” and calling it that cheapens the idea of any critical discourse as does throwing up a whole smokescreen of other stuff that I supposedly might have said or thought or inferred. Besides, Brian, you brought it up. I merely responded. I realize that Mrs. Clinton has been a lifetime subject of the Republican slime machine and I’ve been outraged by that for years. I have no sympathy for her on this one. She owns it 100%. And yes, I voted for the Irish guy O’bama. You heard about his brother, Al, didn’t you?

By: brian stouder

brian stouder — Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:38:56 +0000

I think that Senator Clinton’s best defense is that when she wrote about it in her book, her account was correct; but when she spoke extemporaneously about it, she was found to be innaccurate.

Anyone who is married, and who has been contradicted when discussing past events (for example, who spilled the mashed potatoes at the family reunion in ‘93? Or, where were we headed, the time we saw a loose pig on the road? etc), and who THEN found out that they were FLATLY wrong in their recollection can identify with this.

Just sayin’ - she DID serve her country, and if she wasn’t directly ‘in harm’s way’, she was certainly in harm’s ‘hood. I suppose it’s all in fun (the Pinnochios, and the ‘gotcha’ stuff); but I don’t like it when my man Obama is hit with this stuff, and I’m becoming more sympathetic to Clinton’s complaints about this sort of treatment

By: Harl Delos

Harl Delos — Tue, 25 Mar 2008 13:52:54 +0000

Senator Clinton mis-spoke about her trip into Tusla a decade and a half ago

Anyone with the courage to visit Oklahoma earns my admiration.

What’s that?

Oh. Never mind.

Emily Litella

By: MichaelG

MichaelG — Tue, 25 Mar 2008 13:32:46 +0000

C’mon, Brian. I saw the clip of Senator Clinton (D, NY). relating her experiences. She told how they had to run from the plane amidst sniper fire, ducking as they headed for cover. Then I saw the clip of the actual event. This was no “oops”. This was a deliberate misstatement. Nobody tells accidental untruths about having been under hostile fire. I find this kind of effort to steal somebody else’s glory despicable. But then I never did like her. I don’t like her sense of entitlement; her belief that it’s her turn and I don’t like the dynastic aspect. If she were elected and served two terms it would mean 28 uninterrupted years of Bushes and Clintons. I don’t like her speaking style, I don’t like that she never seems to stand for anything but talks around every issue. I see no leadership whatsoever here. She’s had five years to speak out on the war and only speaks critically of the war now when it is safe to do so and only in the most general of terms. That’s hardly leadership. There have been, for over seven years, almost daily opportunities for a leader to speak out on the misdeeds of the Bush administration and I haven’t heard anything from Sen. Clinton (D, NY).. As far as I am concerned, she’s a hold over from the old impotent liberals of the ’80s and ’90s. She has nothing new to offer. She is a polarizing figure who brings a whole train of baggage, controversy and dislike to the dance. I think the international stage would have the same perception: Nothing new or different here, no break with the past, just another in a series of the same old same olds that the world has seen in the US for decades. Whew! There’s exaggeration, Brian. We all do that. But you don’t falsely claim combat experience. You just don’t do it. Besides, can anybody seriously imagine Air Force One (or whatever they call FLOTUS’ airplane) being allowed to land on a hot runway? It was a ferchirstssake photo-op, not an assault. All that said, if she were nominated, I would have to vote for her over Sen. McCain (R, AZ), but it would be a vote against Sen. McCain (R, AZ), not for Sen. Clinton (D, NY).