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		<title>By: basset</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2008/06/05/the-end-finally/comment-page-1/#comment-190416</link>
		<dc:creator>basset</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 04:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;Terry Doran is a Fort Wayne local, not the Beatles associate

ya think?  really?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>»Terry Doran is a Fort Wayne local, not the Beatles associate</p>
<p>ya think?  really?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2008/06/05/the-end-finally/comment-page-1/#comment-190329</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 21:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terry Doran is a Fort Wayne local, not the Beatles associate, I&#039;m sure he wasn&#039;t the old geezer sportswriter Nancy refers to, either.  Don&#039;t think he&#039;d be old enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terry Doran is a Fort Wayne local, not the Beatles associate, I’m sure he wasn’t the old geezer sportswriter Nancy refers to, either.  Don’t think he’d be old enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Your Girl in London: The American primaries &#171;</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2008/06/05/the-end-finally/comment-page-1/#comment-190168</link>
		<dc:creator>Your Girl in London: The American primaries &#171;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 22:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I cruised the Web, I found myself nodding at what media blogger Nancy Nall said in her summary of the campaign: I’m thinking what happened to Hillary is what happens to people who live in a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[…] I cruised the Web, I found myself nodding at what media blogger Nancy Nall said in her summary of the campaign: I’m thinking what happened to Hillary is what happens to people who live in a […]</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff (the mild-mannered one)</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2008/06/05/the-end-finally/comment-page-1/#comment-190112</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff (the mild-mannered one)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 14:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more, and i promise i&#039;ll drop it -- http://www.maam.org/flightsim/news/tbm_history.htm (scroll down past the refurbishment story to the Lt. Bush story)

58 combat carrier takeoffs, 56 landings, with the incident at ChiChi Jima in the middle (not long after the forced ditching where all three aboard were rescued).  I just have trouble calling that guy a coward and a friend-killer based on what we know.  So let&#039;s argue his politics, where you can call me an idiot and i&#039;ll often smile and agree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more, and i promise i’ll drop it — <a href="http://www.maam.org/flightsim/news/tbm_history.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.maam.org/flightsim/news/tbm_history.htm</a> (scroll down past the refurbishment story to the Lt. Bush story)</p>
<p>58 combat carrier takeoffs, 56 landings, with the incident at ChiChi Jima in the middle (not long after the forced ditching where all three aboard were rescued).  I just have trouble calling that guy a coward and a friend-killer based on what we know.  So let’s argue his politics, where you can call me an idiot and i’ll often smile and agree.</p>
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		<title>By: Danny</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2008/06/05/the-end-finally/comment-page-1/#comment-190111</link>
		<dc:creator>Danny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 14:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...Oh, no.  What have a wrought!

{chuckle}</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>…Oh, no.  What have a wrought!</p>
<p>{chuckle}</p>
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		<title>By: brian stouder</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2008/06/05/the-end-finally/comment-page-1/#comment-190108</link>
		<dc:creator>brian stouder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 13:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jolene - thanks for the link to the interesting discussion of sexism/nepotism.

I think it is very easy to misunderestimate and/or overlook just how badly handicapped Hillary Clinton was, by her last name. As the article says, her campaign began by heavily emphasizing EXPERIENCE and depth of understanding (such as only an &quot;insider&quot; would have)...

and 20:20 hindsight now tells us that this was a doomed effort, in a heavily CHANGE-oriented year, wherein the contest is for an office already held by the scion of another president!

Hillary defined herself as the establishment candidate, and succeeded in &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; effort - 

The End.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jolene — thanks for the link to the interesting discussion of sexism/nepotism.</p>
<p>I think it is very easy to misunderestimate and/or overlook just how badly handicapped Hillary Clinton was, by her last name. As the article says, her campaign began by heavily emphasizing EXPERIENCE and depth of understanding (such as only an “insider” would have)…</p>
<p>and 20:20 hindsight now tells us that this was a doomed effort, in a heavily CHANGE-oriented year, wherein the contest is for an office already held by the scion of another president!</p>
<p>Hillary defined herself as the establishment candidate, and succeeded in <i>that</i> effort — </p>
<p>The End.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff (the mild-mannered one)</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2008/06/05/the-end-finally/comment-page-1/#comment-190086</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff (the mild-mannered one)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 12:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moe, i appreciate the way you frame the story you heard, and hey, the internet is all about stories we&#039;ve heard that wouldn&#039;t make it onto the front page, so that&#039;s fair.

What i&#039;m not up for is leading the search party for truth so far into the weeds we all get lost.  I&#039;ve read enough on both sides to say that John Kerry probably made some mistakes during his time in service, and how he described his service, but there&#039;s not enough there for it to be worth overriding the conversation about what Kerry wanted to do this year.  It&#039;s beyond doubt that Bush-lite got a little help, even if no one asked for it, from folks wanting to be nice to the family, getting into his ANG unit -- as did Quayle, but instead of the safety Quayle and Robertson found behind full metal typewriters, Bush-Dubya got into a crappy fighter jet . . . probably because he needed to prove something to Daddy-Poppy.

Like all of us haven&#039;t done stupid things to prove ourselves while doing selfish things to protect ourselves, especially in our twenties.

And Obama has shown amazing focus and discipline getting into the political game and knocking off opponents with a fair degree of ruthlessness -- exactly what James Madison said we&#039;d be creating with the political system they cooked up at the Constitutional Convention, so we needed to hedge such strivers around with checks and balances, to blunt the edge of popular passions (see the South Sea Bubble and the Tulip Craze for what made the Framers tick).  The Electoral College, the Sherman Compromise (yeah, slavery was in there too, but that&#039;s not the whole argument), balance of powers between the branches -- they&#039;re all built into the system because an electoral representative democracy will draw people running for office like the candidates we&#039;ve got.

Once we&#039;ve confirmed they aren&#039;t unindicted felons or delusional psychotics, i say let&#039;s look at what they propose and dispute heatedly about that.  And i say again, heroism doesn&#039;t make good presidents, so Bush Sr. could have choked and McCain could have cracked under pressure, Obama may be an opportunist more than altruist and Kerry may be a compulsive exaggerator. So what.

Just read Liebling&#039;s &quot;Run, Run, Run, Run,&quot; and i&#039;m in the mood to give the benefit of the doubt to Bush on that canopy.  If someone who flew alongside of him feels differently, that&#039;s their call, and i respect that, but it doesn&#039;t help me make political decisions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moe, i appreciate the way you frame the story you heard, and hey, the internet is all about stories we’ve heard that wouldn’t make it onto the front page, so that’s fair.</p>
<p>What i’m not up for is leading the search party for truth so far into the weeds we all get lost.  I’ve read enough on both sides to say that John Kerry probably made some mistakes during his time in service, and how he described his service, but there’s not enough there for it to be worth overriding the conversation about what Kerry wanted to do this year.  It’s beyond doubt that Bush-lite got a little help, even if no one asked for it, from folks wanting to be nice to the family, getting into his ANG unit — as did Quayle, but instead of the safety Quayle and Robertson found behind full metal typewriters, Bush-Dubya got into a crappy fighter jet … probably because he needed to prove something to Daddy-Poppy.</p>
<p>Like all of us haven’t done stupid things to prove ourselves while doing selfish things to protect ourselves, especially in our twenties.</p>
<p>And Obama has shown amazing focus and discipline getting into the political game and knocking off opponents with a fair degree of ruthlessness — exactly what James Madison said we’d be creating with the political system they cooked up at the Constitutional Convention, so we needed to hedge such strivers around with checks and balances, to blunt the edge of popular passions (see the South Sea Bubble and the Tulip Craze for what made the Framers tick).  The Electoral College, the Sherman Compromise (yeah, slavery was in there too, but that’s not the whole argument), balance of powers between the branches — they’re all built into the system because an electoral representative democracy will draw people running for office like the candidates we’ve got.</p>
<p>Once we’ve confirmed they aren’t unindicted felons or delusional psychotics, i say let’s look at what they propose and dispute heatedly about that.  And i say again, heroism doesn’t make good presidents, so Bush Sr. could have choked and McCain could have cracked under pressure, Obama may be an opportunist more than altruist and Kerry may be a compulsive exaggerator. So what.</p>
<p>Just read Liebling’s “Run, Run, Run, Run,” and i’m in the mood to give the benefit of the doubt to Bush on that canopy.  If someone who flew alongside of him feels differently, that’s their call, and i respect that, but it doesn’t help me make political decisions.</p>
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		<title>By: moe99</title>
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		<dc:creator>moe99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 07:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, ok.  I hate to weigh in with the wingnut side on this but I will say that there was an attorney in Seattle, named partner in a mid sized firm, still had his military crew cut in the &#039;80s.  Rock ribbed Republican in a city that has very few, and unashamedly so.  However, he said that he would never vote for GHWB.  Reason being he flew the same plane in WW2 that GHWB flew and he said that it was configured such that if the pilot ejected it opened the hatch and imprisoned the gunner sitting behind him.   So the drill was the guy in the back ejected first.  GHWB lost his nerve and popped out w/o giving his partner the first chance, thereby consigning him to his death.  I dunno.  The attorney was a real straight shooter and highly respected in the legal profession.  He was not a tin foil hat kind of guy at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, ok.  I hate to weigh in with the wingnut side on this but I will say that there was an attorney in Seattle, named partner in a mid sized firm, still had his military crew cut in the ‘80s.  Rock ribbed Republican in a city that has very few, and unashamedly so.  However, he said that he would never vote for GHWB.  Reason being he flew the same plane in WW2 that GHWB flew and he said that it was configured such that if the pilot ejected it opened the hatch and imprisoned the gunner sitting behind him.   So the drill was the guy in the back ejected first.  GHWB lost his nerve and popped out w/o giving his partner the first chance, thereby consigning him to his death.  I dunno.  The attorney was a real straight shooter and highly respected in the legal profession.  He was not a tin foil hat kind of guy at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Jolene</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2008/06/05/the-end-finally/comment-page-1/#comment-190043</link>
		<dc:creator>Jolene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 06:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the election features on the WaPo web site is a sort of political advice column called &quot;Stumped&quot;.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.washingtonpost.com/stumped/?hpid=opinionsbox1http://blog.washingtonpost.com/stumped/?hpid=opinionsbox1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Today&#039;s column&lt;/a&gt; has to do with the issue of sexism in the just-concluded Dem primary.  You might want to check it out.  

Catherine, the sexism vs. racism question is so complicated that I get tired just thinking about it.  Am going to try to figure out what it is I think I want to say.  If I succeed, I&#039;ll let you know!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the election features on the WaPo web site is a sort of political advice column called “Stumped”.  <a href="http://blog.washingtonpost.com/stumped/?hpid=opinionsbox1http://blog.washingtonpost.com/stumped/?hpid=opinionsbox1" rel="nofollow">Today’s column</a> has to do with the issue of sexism in the just-concluded Dem primary.  You might want to check it out.  </p>
<p>Catherine, the sexism vs. racism question is so complicated that I get tired just thinking about it.  Am going to try to figure out what it is I think I want to say.  If I succeed, I’ll let you know!</p>
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		<title>By: Dexter</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2008/06/05/the-end-finally/comment-page-1/#comment-190042</link>
		<dc:creator>Dexter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 06:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, I only watch a network show if I am tipped off by someone I trust that it is a smash, or at least interesting.
Craig Ferguson mentioned a show called &quot;Swingtown&quot;...said he will watch it...I guess it is on CBS...anybody got a thumbs up or thumbs down?
Ferguson rules...he cracks me up every night.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, I only watch a network show if I am tipped off by someone I trust that it is a smash, or at least interesting.<br />
Craig Ferguson mentioned a show called “Swingtown”…said he will watch it…I guess it is on CBS…anybody got a thumbs up or thumbs down?<br />
Ferguson rules…he cracks me up every night.</p>
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