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		<title>By: alex</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2008/06/23/farewell-you/comment-page-1/#comment-193253</link>
		<dc:creator>alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 04:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Judith, I'm learning a lot of cool stuff, even if it doesn't pan out as far as sure hits on the Underground Railroad. A bunch of UB people came to northeast Indiana via Bethel Township, Miami County, Ohio, the famed Studebaker family among them. The Studebakers, as well as multiple other families, were joined in this region by kin from Virginia and Maryland. Like the Quakers, they had outgrown the Delaware Valley and tried life in the south for a few generations before finding it hostile to their sensibilities if not their well-being.

The Quakers get all the glory, but I keep discovering communities of other faiths that were even more progressive. In fact, there were plenty of excommunicated Quakers who were too radical as regards race and equality. Laura Haviland, of Lenawee County, Michigan, was an excommunicated Quaker turned Wesleyan Methodist. She opened the Raisin Institute, a school for females and blacks whose purpose was to teach basic literacy and trades.

There were sects of Presbyterians and Methodists who broke with their mother churches and sought social equality, not merely an end to the peculiar institution. There were the Universalists. And there were the United Brethren. To this day the Mennonites adopt and serve as foster parents to black children and you'll find interracial lines in their families. The Quakers didn't even walk that walk (that is, the ones who weren't excommunicated).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Judith, I&#8217;m learning a lot of cool stuff, even if it doesn&#8217;t pan out as far as sure hits on the Underground Railroad. A bunch of UB people came to northeast Indiana via Bethel Township, Miami County, Ohio, the famed Studebaker family among them. The Studebakers, as well as multiple other families, were joined in this region by kin from Virginia and Maryland. Like the Quakers, they had outgrown the Delaware Valley and tried life in the south for a few generations before finding it hostile to their sensibilities if not their well-being.</p>
<p>The Quakers get all the glory, but I keep discovering communities of other faiths that were even more progressive. In fact, there were plenty of excommunicated Quakers who were too radical as regards race and equality. Laura Haviland, of Lenawee County, Michigan, was an excommunicated Quaker turned Wesleyan Methodist. She opened the Raisin Institute, a school for females and blacks whose purpose was to teach basic literacy and trades.</p>
<p>There were sects of Presbyterians and Methodists who broke with their mother churches and sought social equality, not merely an end to the peculiar institution. There were the Universalists. And there were the United Brethren. To this day the Mennonites adopt and serve as foster parents to black children and you&#8217;ll find interracial lines in their families. The Quakers didn&#8217;t even walk that walk (that is, the ones who weren&#8217;t excommunicated).</p>
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		<title>By: Judith</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2008/06/23/farewell-you/comment-page-1/#comment-193230</link>
		<dc:creator>Judith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 02:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex,
The Williams County Museum is on the fairgrounds In Montpelier, Ohio. There are many interesting history lesson to be found. There is also a restored log cabin near the museum.

A local historian, Ken Beck, had many health problems a few years ago. If he is able, he would be a valuable resource. He is a retired teacher who lives near Bible Park near Montpelier, at the corner of county Roads J and 10. His son, Kevin, is the county sheriff.  Bible Park is named for my Great+++grandfather who was the first settler in Superior Twp. in Williams County. That's how I remember the names of the roads. 

Ken Beck chaired the committee that compiled two volumes of the history of Williams County, many years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex,<br />
The Williams County Museum is on the fairgrounds In Montpelier, Ohio. There are many interesting history lesson to be found. There is also a restored log cabin near the museum.</p>
<p>A local historian, Ken Beck, had many health problems a few years ago. If he is able, he would be a valuable resource. He is a retired teacher who lives near Bible Park near Montpelier, at the corner of county Roads J and 10. His son, Kevin, is the county sheriff.  Bible Park is named for my Great+++grandfather who was the first settler in Superior Twp. in Williams County. That&#8217;s how I remember the names of the roads. </p>
<p>Ken Beck chaired the committee that compiled two volumes of the history of Williams County, many years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: alex</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2008/06/23/farewell-you/comment-page-1/#comment-193226</link>
		<dc:creator>alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 01:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the tips, Judith!

I've spent a fair amount of time not far from there. In Ray there's a Covenanter Presbyterian cemetery; this was an extreme abolitionist sect. Another place that sets off my abolitionist gaydar is the Powers Church and Cemetery on Old 1; the doctor who founded the Fort Wayne Medical College and later Tri-State University is buried there along with a few other remarkable early citizens. Hauntingly beautiful place. When I read about it later it was fascinating to see that the founders of the cemetery were similarly impressed by the environs; they had to come up with a place to bury a child in the dead of winter. The boy's father wrote about it quite poignantly in a letter to family back east.

Williams County is a new frontier and I've been looking forward to exploring it, so thanks for the leads.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the tips, Judith!</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve spent a fair amount of time not far from there. In Ray there&#8217;s a Covenanter Presbyterian cemetery; this was an extreme abolitionist sect. Another place that sets off my abolitionist gaydar is the Powers Church and Cemetery on Old 1; the doctor who founded the Fort Wayne Medical College and later Tri-State University is buried there along with a few other remarkable early citizens. Hauntingly beautiful place. When I read about it later it was fascinating to see that the founders of the cemetery were similarly impressed by the environs; they had to come up with a place to bury a child in the dead of winter. The boy&#8217;s father wrote about it quite poignantly in a letter to family back east.</p>
<p>Williams County is a new frontier and I&#8217;ve been looking forward to exploring it, so thanks for the leads.</p>
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		<title>By: brian stouder</title>
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		<dc:creator>brian stouder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 00:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My brother and his wife live in Pioneer; she was a native buckeye, and turned him into one!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My brother and his wife live in Pioneer; she was a native buckeye, and turned him into one!</p>
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		<title>By: Judith</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2008/06/23/farewell-you/comment-page-1/#comment-193218</link>
		<dc:creator>Judith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 22:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex,
If you're driving around the NW Ohio area, you might go west on US 20  into Indiana and find the old cemetery just before you get into Angola. There is a large grave marker with a statue of a dog, and a long inscription about how much someone was loved, and how faithful he was. The legend is that a Negro had lived with a family in the area as a good friend, and when he died the family was not allowed to bury him in the town cemetery. However, they later were given permission to bury their dog there--hence the statue and inscription. But the story continues that it was their faithful Negro friend they laid to rest in the grave, and were able to leave a loving dedication to him.

I hope the the Bowman house is still standing near West Unity. It is very tall and has a concealed room in the basement for the Underground Railroad.

There are some Flory families in the area, I think more around Pioneer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex,<br />
If you&#8217;re driving around the NW Ohio area, you might go west on US 20  into Indiana and find the old cemetery just before you get into Angola. There is a large grave marker with a statue of a dog, and a long inscription about how much someone was loved, and how faithful he was. The legend is that a Negro had lived with a family in the area as a good friend, and when he died the family was not allowed to bury him in the town cemetery. However, they later were given permission to bury their dog there&#8211;hence the statue and inscription. But the story continues that it was their faithful Negro friend they laid to rest in the grave, and were able to leave a loving dedication to him.</p>
<p>I hope the the Bowman house is still standing near West Unity. It is very tall and has a concealed room in the basement for the Underground Railroad.</p>
<p>There are some Flory families in the area, I think more around Pioneer.</p>
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		<title>By: alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 15:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'll let you know what I find out, Moe. The guy was a UB pastor and his name was John Flory. I'm sure he's probably mentioned in the 19th-century history books on Defiance County pioneers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll let you know what I find out, Moe. The guy was a UB pastor and his name was John Flory. I&#8217;m sure he&#8217;s probably mentioned in the 19th-century history books on Defiance County pioneers.</p>
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		<title>By: moe99</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2008/06/23/farewell-you/comment-page-1/#comment-193162</link>
		<dc:creator>moe99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex,
We lived in a newer (at the time) section of NE Defiance, but my great grandfather, Gramps Fauster lived in a big old house on Holgate Avenue, in front of the Maumee River.  I remember going there as a small child for Christmas and the Christmas tree would go all the way up to the second floor, positioned next to the stairs in the front hall leading up.  I wonder if the Flory's house would be near there, given the proximity to the river.  The Fausters did not make it to the US until after the Civil War, around the time that Germany reunified, although the Fausters came from Schaffhausen.  The women tatted and sold lace to finance the trip from what I was told.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex,<br />
We lived in a newer (at the time) section of NE Defiance, but my great grandfather, Gramps Fauster lived in a big old house on Holgate Avenue, in front of the Maumee River.  I remember going there as a small child for Christmas and the Christmas tree would go all the way up to the second floor, positioned next to the stairs in the front hall leading up.  I wonder if the Flory&#8217;s house would be near there, given the proximity to the river.  The Fausters did not make it to the US until after the Civil War, around the time that Germany reunified, although the Fausters came from Schaffhausen.  The women tatted and sold lace to finance the trip from what I was told.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff (the mild-mannered one)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff (the mild-mannered one)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Second the Levi Coffin reading!  A strong, clear, still-readable book; it and Benj. Franklin's autobiography both read like they were written by older but fairly contemporary folks -- you can dive right into their world and marvel at how they saw it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Second the Levi Coffin reading!  A strong, clear, still-readable book; it and Benj. Franklin&#8217;s autobiography both read like they were written by older but fairly contemporary folks &#8212; you can dive right into their world and marvel at how they saw it.</p>
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		<title>By: alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 12:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure where the Flory house is, Moe, but I plan to check it out one of these days. And thanks for the info, Judith. 

The history books talk about the Quakers leaving the south for the midwest but seldom mention that the Brethren did the same thing at the same time for the same reasons. In researching genealogies, I'm also finding a lot of intermarriage between birthright Quakers and Brethren, many of the former excommunicated by conservative sects for their antislavery activities.

Fun stuff. I may take a couple weeks of my vacation time this summer just to spend roadtripping and cemetery hiking and visiting libraries and historical societies. There's one figure in particular whose personal papers I'd love to comb for names and places. (She's mentioned in Levi Coffin's autobiography, which remains one of my all-time favorite books.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure where the Flory house is, Moe, but I plan to check it out one of these days. And thanks for the info, Judith. </p>
<p>The history books talk about the Quakers leaving the south for the midwest but seldom mention that the Brethren did the same thing at the same time for the same reasons. In researching genealogies, I&#8217;m also finding a lot of intermarriage between birthright Quakers and Brethren, many of the former excommunicated by conservative sects for their antislavery activities.</p>
<p>Fun stuff. I may take a couple weeks of my vacation time this summer just to spend roadtripping and cemetery hiking and visiting libraries and historical societies. There&#8217;s one figure in particular whose personal papers I&#8217;d love to comb for names and places. (She&#8217;s mentioned in Levi Coffin&#8217;s autobiography, which remains one of my all-time favorite books.)</p>
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		<title>By: brian stouder</title>
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		<dc:creator>brian stouder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 01:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So anyway, I have noted that one of the google ads on the sidebar - which I clicked, so as to chuck 2 pennies into the  vast and cavernous NN.c treasure vaults - (I'm always good for putin' my 2 cents worth in, eh?) is for a publication called "Human Events", with the teaser "The Real Barack Obama" and "&lt;b&gt;The truth behind the candidate&lt;/b&gt; - &lt;i&gt;"Barack Obama Exposed"&lt;/i&gt; - &lt;b&gt;Free!&lt;/b&gt;"

and when you click it, you get 

&lt;b&gt;"Where's the outrage? He's an Obamanation!"&lt;/b&gt;

and then this pitch:

&lt;i&gt;From his radical stance on abortion to his prominence in the corruption scandals that has been virtually ignored by the mainstream media, Barack Obama is not fit to be Senator -- not to mention the next President of the United States. Obama has declared his presidential intentions, but it is up to well-informed and energetic conservatives like you to spare our nation from the scourge of a far-left President Barack H. Obama.&lt;/i&gt;



and this made me wonder what the editors at Human Events mean by "where's the outrage?" Do they want hundreds of thousands of "outraged" citizens, rioting in the streets, in order to "spare our nation" (note that bit of exclusivity, regarding whose nation it is) from the "scourge" of Obama? Are they hoping to incite a lynch mob? Are these the sorts of 'Human Events' that that publication aspires to, or advocates for? 

My plan is to keep the wick turned down on this stuff, but I don't know....my darned wick seems to be stuck in the up position (so to speak) (if it persists for 4 hours, I'll call a doctor)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So anyway, I have noted that one of the google ads on the sidebar - which I clicked, so as to chuck 2 pennies into the  vast and cavernous NN.c treasure vaults - (I&#8217;m always good for putin&#8217; my 2 cents worth in, eh?) is for a publication called &#8220;Human Events&#8221;, with the teaser &#8220;The Real Barack Obama&#8221; and &#8220;<b>The truth behind the candidate</b> - <i>&#8220;Barack Obama Exposed&#8221;</i> - <b>Free!</b>&#8221;</p>
<p>and when you click it, you get </p>
<p><b>&#8220;Where&#8217;s the outrage? He&#8217;s an Obamanation!&#8221;</b></p>
<p>and then this pitch:</p>
<p><i>From his radical stance on abortion to his prominence in the corruption scandals that has been virtually ignored by the mainstream media, Barack Obama is not fit to be Senator &#8212; not to mention the next President of the United States. Obama has declared his presidential intentions, but it is up to well-informed and energetic conservatives like you to spare our nation from the scourge of a far-left President Barack H. Obama.</i></p>
<p>and this made me wonder what the editors at Human Events mean by &#8220;where&#8217;s the outrage?&#8221; Do they want hundreds of thousands of &#8220;outraged&#8221; citizens, rioting in the streets, in order to &#8220;spare our nation&#8221; (note that bit of exclusivity, regarding whose nation it is) from the &#8220;scourge&#8221; of Obama? Are they hoping to incite a lynch mob? Are these the sorts of &#8216;Human Events&#8217; that that publication aspires to, or advocates for? </p>
<p>My plan is to keep the wick turned down on this stuff, but I don&#8217;t know&#8230;.my darned wick seems to be stuck in the up position (so to speak) (if it persists for 4 hours, I&#8217;ll call a doctor)</p>
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