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		<title>By: baldheadeddork</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2008/06/30/we-can-do-it/comment-page-1/#comment-194276</link>
		<dc:creator>baldheadeddork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 03:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry I missed this yesterday.

Question for everyone, that for me is at the center of any discussion on changing the system:

Can you get effective reform (either lower costs for those who have coverage or more people covered for the same cost) with the for-profit insurance industry as the gatekeeper for healthcare?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry I missed this yesterday.</p>
<p>Question for everyone, that for me is at the center of any discussion on changing the system:</p>
<p>Can you get effective reform (either lower costs for those who have coverage or more people covered for the same cost) with the for-profit insurance industry as the gatekeeper for healthcare?</p>
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		<title>By: caliban</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2008/06/30/we-can-do-it/comment-page-1/#comment-194199</link>
		<dc:creator>caliban</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 17:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hillary had the idea. Tip O&#039;Neill didn&#039;t like it. There&#039;s nothing wrong with Canada&#039;s health care system, other than that ghouls like the Frist family aren&#039;t raking in big bucks.

Cuba has a better health care system, with no money. Granted, boob jobs may require a wait.

Privatizers will pay mucho dineiro to so-called experts to &#039;splain this crap, but that sure as hell won&#039;t make it true. Check out recidivism rates from the Erlichman school of free enterprise Christian prison reform. Why are there more contractors than soldiers in Iraq? Somebody&#039;s making a pile and nobody&#039;s getting a bang for the bucks.

With regard to healthcare, seems to me it&#039;s everybody&#039;s duty as a human being. Commonweal. That&#039;s why we agree to pay taxes, and Grover Norquist should die a painful death in an ER waiting room. But no. He&#039;s got the best coverage rich asshole&#039;s money can buy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hillary had the idea. Tip O’Neill didn’t like it. There’s nothing wrong with Canada’s health care system, other than that ghouls like the Frist family aren’t raking in big bucks.</p>
<p>Cuba has a better health care system, with no money. Granted, boob jobs may require a wait.</p>
<p>Privatizers will pay mucho dineiro to so-called experts to ‘splain this crap, but that sure as hell won’t make it true. Check out recidivism rates from the Erlichman school of free enterprise Christian prison reform. Why are there more contractors than soldiers in Iraq? Somebody’s making a pile and nobody’s getting a bang for the bucks.</p>
<p>With regard to healthcare, seems to me it’s everybody’s duty as a human being. Commonweal. That’s why we agree to pay taxes, and Grover Norquist should die a painful death in an ER waiting room. But no. He’s got the best coverage rich asshole’s money can buy.</p>
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		<title>By: brian stouder</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2008/06/30/we-can-do-it/comment-page-1/#comment-194152</link>
		<dc:creator>brian stouder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 12:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Stake ‘em out on the hillside for the wolves?&lt;/i&gt;

Just finishing White Fang; Call of the Wild was last week. It&#039;s when you see that one she-wolf, larger than the others and  with the reddish tint; the one that sashays.....THAT&#039;s when you have to worry! (well, and when you see the reflections of the packs&#039; eyes, as they work themselves closer and closer in to your camp fire, in the middle of the night)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Stake ‘em out on the hillside for the wolves?</i></p>
<p>Just finishing White Fang; Call of the Wild was last week. It’s when you see that one she-wolf, larger than the others and  with the reddish tint; the one that sashays.….THAT’s when you have to worry! (well, and when you see the reflections of the packs’ eyes, as they work themselves closer and closer in to your camp fire, in the middle of the night)</p>
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		<title>By: MichaelG</title>
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		<dc:creator>MichaelG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 12:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now you want to put some kind of needs/qualification test on medical care?  Gonna put the old people out on the ice?  Stake &#039;em out on the hillside for the wolves?  So how old are you Mo?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now you want to put some kind of needs/qualification test on medical care?  Gonna put the old people out on the ice?  Stake ‘em out on the hillside for the wolves?  So how old are you Mo?</p>
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		<title>By: Mosef</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2008/06/30/we-can-do-it/comment-page-1/#comment-194067</link>
		<dc:creator>Mosef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 04:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a &quot;don&#039;t get me started&quot; topic for me.  I received a health care masters degree, and could go on and on (and ON) with Rx for change.  But NNC.com is not the time or the place.  However, I would like to bring up a statistic I learned at grad school (UCLA).  Approximately 80% of health care expenditures are spent in the last year of life.  Speaking from a strictly utilitarian perspective, this is not a sensible allocation of resources.  

Of course, people have a greater need for medical care as they age, and the guaranteed coverage ensured by Medicare increases demand for services.  But there is a national conversation to be had about how do we, as a society, want to distribute our health care dollars.  Does grandma have to go out in the ICU after heart surgery at 83 while kids lack basic preventive serives?  Before anyone writes &quot;But why do we have to chose?&quot;  Because we do.  Because allocation of resources is a basic function of families, businesses, and governments.  It&#039;s called reality.  So let&#039;s talk.

Personally, the Alice in Wonderland aspect of the health care industry made me nuts.  I got a masters in finance and changed careers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a “don’t get me started” topic for me.  I received a health care masters degree, and could go on and on (and ON) with Rx for change.  But NNC.com is not the time or the place.  However, I would like to bring up a statistic I learned at grad school (UCLA).  Approximately 80% of health care expenditures are spent in the last year of life.  Speaking from a strictly utilitarian perspective, this is not a sensible allocation of resources.  </p>
<p>Of course, people have a greater need for medical care as they age, and the guaranteed coverage ensured by Medicare increases demand for services.  But there is a national conversation to be had about how do we, as a society, want to distribute our health care dollars.  Does grandma have to go out in the ICU after heart surgery at 83 while kids lack basic preventive serives?  Before anyone writes “But why do we have to chose?”  Because we do.  Because allocation of resources is a basic function of families, businesses, and governments.  It’s called reality.  So let’s talk.</p>
<p>Personally, the Alice in Wonderland aspect of the health care industry made me nuts.  I got a masters in finance and changed careers.</p>
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		<title>By: MichaelG</title>
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		<dc:creator>MichaelG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 02:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obviously, single payer is the way to go.  There&#039;s nothing wrong with a well run bureaucracy.  Think Toyota isn&#039;t a bureaucracy?  The big thing is to keep the insurance companies out of the mix.  

Also, all anybody seems to talk about is how to meet the costs.  Is anybody looking at what the costs truly are?  At why the costs are skyrocketing?  There must be something other than profiteering on the part of the industry.  They wouldn&#039;t pad costs would they?  So what has caused costs to increase so dramatically?  What can be done to hold them within reason?  Has anybody even taken a casual look at the health care mega corps and their cost structure?  The politicians couldn&#039;t be  .  .  .  No, even such a cynic as moi couldn&#039;t believe that.  I mean, look at the wonderful, classically simple drug bill that the Bush administration has given us.  It cuts out the insurance companies while creating a mechanism to allow negotiating the most favorable prices from the drug companies.  Doesn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously, single payer is the way to go.  There’s nothing wrong with a well run bureaucracy.  Think Toyota isn’t a bureaucracy?  The big thing is to keep the insurance companies out of the mix.  </p>
<p>Also, all anybody seems to talk about is how to meet the costs.  Is anybody looking at what the costs truly are?  At why the costs are skyrocketing?  There must be something other than profiteering on the part of the industry.  They wouldn’t pad costs would they?  So what has caused costs to increase so dramatically?  What can be done to hold them within reason?  Has anybody even taken a casual look at the health care mega corps and their cost structure?  The politicians couldn’t be  .  .  .  No, even such a cynic as moi couldn’t believe that.  I mean, look at the wonderful, classically simple drug bill that the Bush administration has given us.  It cuts out the insurance companies while creating a mechanism to allow negotiating the most favorable prices from the drug companies.  Doesn’t it?</p>
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		<title>By: Cynthia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cynthia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 00:57:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a very interesting discussion about health care.  Like all of you, i have no real answers either.

I&#039;m very skeptical about a single-payor system (read gov&#039;t) because I just don&#039;t like the idea of creating a huge new bureaucracy.  

I think health care should be mandatory, like car insurance, with mandated minimum amounts of coverage.  I like the idea of my insurance being portable and not dependent upon having a job.  I also like the idea of being able to choose a plan that fits my and my family&#039;s needs and having the option of choosing just a catastrophic type policy if I can afford it.  If I don&#039;t like the plan I&#039;ve chosen or find the service inferior, I want to be able to switch to a new plan as easily as I change car insurance.

I do think the gov&#039;t (state or federal) should mandate certain features, such as no refusal for pre-existing conditions, payment for experimental procedures, annual rate reviews by state gov&#039;ts, mandatory health savings plans for all Americans, and mandatory contribution to the cost of your personal health care with a minimum and maximum.  I know health care is expensive, but there are a lot of people who don&#039;t know the real cost because their employer is picking up the majority of the tab.

Finally, on a federal or state level there should be subsidies for the truly needy.

I&#039;d like to see a top-notch commission comprised of an equal number of doctors, health care administrators, nurses, pharmaceutical experts and ordinary citizens with a modicum of intelligence set up to really study the issue, and look at what other countries are doing better than we are and make real, substantial, thoughtful recommendations or even propose a new system that can be discussed rationally.

This country needs a real conversation and debate about this, as well as other important issues.  All we seem to be getting from politicians from both sides are empty promises and platitudes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a very interesting discussion about health care.  Like all of you, i have no real answers either.</p>
<p>I’m very skeptical about a single-payor system (read gov’t) because I just don’t like the idea of creating a huge new bureaucracy.  </p>
<p>I think health care should be mandatory, like car insurance, with mandated minimum amounts of coverage.  I like the idea of my insurance being portable and not dependent upon having a job.  I also like the idea of being able to choose a plan that fits my and my family’s needs and having the option of choosing just a catastrophic type policy if I can afford it.  If I don’t like the plan I’ve chosen or find the service inferior, I want to be able to switch to a new plan as easily as I change car insurance.</p>
<p>I do think the gov’t (state or federal) should mandate certain features, such as no refusal for pre-existing conditions, payment for experimental procedures, annual rate reviews by state gov’ts, mandatory health savings plans for all Americans, and mandatory contribution to the cost of your personal health care with a minimum and maximum.  I know health care is expensive, but there are a lot of people who don’t know the real cost because their employer is picking up the majority of the tab.</p>
<p>Finally, on a federal or state level there should be subsidies for the truly needy.</p>
<p>I’d like to see a top-notch commission comprised of an equal number of doctors, health care administrators, nurses, pharmaceutical experts and ordinary citizens with a modicum of intelligence set up to really study the issue, and look at what other countries are doing better than we are and make real, substantial, thoughtful recommendations or even propose a new system that can be discussed rationally.</p>
<p>This country needs a real conversation and debate about this, as well as other important issues.  All we seem to be getting from politicians from both sides are empty promises and platitudes.</p>
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		<title>By: Deggjr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deggjr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 22:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here are two ideas:
1)  Health care prices are the same for everybody.  Big corporations get huge discounts off of list price (60-70%),  small business and individuals pay list price.
2) Premiums have the same taxability for everybody.  An individual who is paying non-COBRA premiums can only deduct the excess of 7%.  Large and small business deduct starting with first dollar.

Two caveats.  One, this is my understanding.  Two, even if these ideas are implemented, the crisis is not over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here are two ideas:<br />
1)  Health care prices are the same for everybody.  Big corporations get huge discounts off of list price (60–70%),  small business and individuals pay list price.<br />
2) Premiums have the same taxability for everybody.  An individual who is paying non-COBRA premiums can only deduct the excess of 7%.  Large and small business deduct starting with first dollar.</p>
<p>Two caveats.  One, this is my understanding.  Two, even if these ideas are implemented, the crisis is not over.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 20:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, unfortunately, have no answers to fixing the health care system. When my fiance lost his job in the beginning of May, he could either pay $500 a month for COBRA coverage or go without insurance. The problem with going without insurance is that he is a cancer survivor, which really screws things up (if his coverage lapsed, the next insurance company could refuse to pay for anything that had to do with his pre-existing condition, and I&#039;m afraid that they would have tried to make EVERYTHING connected to the fact he had cancer five years ago). 

We solved the problem by eloping six months before our scheduled wedding so he could get on my health insurance. (We&#039;ve now been married for a little over a month.) But it sucks that a 23-year-old had to choose between losing his life savings now by taking COBRA and losing his life savings later if the insurance company refuses to pay for medical treatments. Thank goodness we had a third option, but he would have been in huge trouble had we not been together and already planning to get married. The whole ordeal has been horribly frustrating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, unfortunately, have no answers to fixing the health care system. When my fiance lost his job in the beginning of May, he could either pay $500 a month for COBRA coverage or go without insurance. The problem with going without insurance is that he is a cancer survivor, which really screws things up (if his coverage lapsed, the next insurance company could refuse to pay for anything that had to do with his pre-existing condition, and I’m afraid that they would have tried to make EVERYTHING connected to the fact he had cancer five years ago). </p>
<p>We solved the problem by eloping six months before our scheduled wedding so he could get on my health insurance. (We’ve now been married for a little over a month.) But it sucks that a 23-year-old had to choose between losing his life savings now by taking COBRA and losing his life savings later if the insurance company refuses to pay for medical treatments. Thank goodness we had a third option, but he would have been in huge trouble had we not been together and already planning to get married. The whole ordeal has been horribly frustrating.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff (the mild-mannered one)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff (the mild-mannered one)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because they can&#039;t figure out how to get single payer without still having enough control to be able to game the system -- their payments would be clear and obvious under single-payer, and due each year/quarter.  When they figure a formula for how to shift it without having to pay what they already owe (let alone what they&#039;re gonna owe the next few years), they will be at the front of the parade, calling for &quot;action on the part of Washington!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because they can’t figure out how to get single payer without still having enough control to be able to game the system — their payments would be clear and obvious under single-payer, and due each year/quarter.  When they figure a formula for how to shift it without having to pay what they already owe (let alone what they’re gonna owe the next few years), they will be at the front of the parade, calling for “action on the part of Washington!”</p>
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