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		<title>By: BOSSY</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2008/08/21/the-kids-are-alright/#comment-204843</link>
		<dc:creator>BOSSY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 23:17:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bossy came over here *just in time* before you were able to steal Bossy&#039;s boyfriend Rachel Maddow. Phew.</description>
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		<title>By: brian stouder</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2008/08/21/the-kids-are-alright/#comment-204483</link>
		<dc:creator>brian stouder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Olbermann sort of canned Dana Milbank (or he quit, depending on who you believe)&lt;/i&gt;

Laura - Yes! I caught just the end of Olbermann&#039;s remarks about Milbank, and didn&#039;t understand - and then your comment prompted me to Google it, and I came up with this -

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/05/dana-milbank-leaving-coun_n_116997.html

and this passage struck me

&lt;i&gt;Dana Milbank of The Washington Post, who notified us today that after four years appearing with us, he had accepted another television offer. This saved your crack Countdown staff an increasingly difficult decision.&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;i&gt;For nearly a week we&#039;d been waiting for him to offer a correction or an explanation for his column from last week in which he apparently reported an Obama quote without a full context turned the meaning of the quote inside-out.&lt;/i&gt;

OK - I &#039;get&#039; that guest commentators might generally share a host&#039;s POV - and indeed, others might predictably disagree, and still be regular guests.....but what I don&#039;t get is Olbermann&#039;s &quot;increasingly difficult decision&quot;.

I suppose we can dismiss it as an example of what Nance was referring to, regarding &quot;badly written&quot; commentary.

Plus - what DO these guest people get paid, for their seat-of-the-pants kibitzing? If someone opts to &quot;accept another television offer&quot; - what would that offer be, I wonder?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Olbermann sort of canned Dana Milbank (or he quit, depending on who you believe)</i></p>
<p>Laura &#8211; Yes! I caught just the end of Olbermann&#8217;s remarks about Milbank, and didn&#8217;t understand &#8211; and then your comment prompted me to Google it, and I came up with this -</p>
<p><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/05/dana-milbank-leaving-coun_n_116997.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/05/dana-milbank-leaving-coun_n_116997.html</a></p>
<p>and this passage struck me</p>
<p><i>Dana Milbank of The Washington Post, who notified us today that after four years appearing with us, he had accepted another television offer. This saved your crack Countdown staff an increasingly difficult decision.</i></p>
<p><i>For nearly a week we&#8217;d been waiting for him to offer a correction or an explanation for his column from last week in which he apparently reported an Obama quote without a full context turned the meaning of the quote inside-out.</i></p>
<p>OK &#8211; I &#8216;get&#8217; that guest commentators might generally share a host&#8217;s POV &#8211; and indeed, others might predictably disagree, and still be regular guests&#8230;..but what I don&#8217;t get is Olbermann&#8217;s &#8220;increasingly difficult decision&#8221;.</p>
<p>I suppose we can dismiss it as an example of what Nance was referring to, regarding &#8220;badly written&#8221; commentary.</p>
<p>Plus &#8211; what DO these guest people get paid, for their seat-of-the-pants kibitzing? If someone opts to &#8220;accept another television offer&#8221; &#8211; what would that offer be, I wonder?</p>
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		<title>By: Jason T.</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2008/08/21/the-kids-are-alright/#comment-204478</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:15:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jaj Istenem! Magyars!

In fairness, I&#039;m also half-German. My ancestors are all proud people with a lot of reasons to be modest.

Alex, I don&#039;t know the Parraghs, but my mother&#039;s side of the family were Hungarian Reformed. She visited the Big D several times as a teen-ager in the church youth group; apparently, Detroit, Cleveland and McKeesport are big hubs of the Hungarian Reformed Church in America.

I used to be a passionate believer in &quot;balanced&quot; journalism. The older I get, the more I feel that journalism has to be accurate, even if it comes at the expense of artificial balance.

Calling a spokesman from a trade organization is rarely useful for any story. Getting out of the office and using your two eyes to look and your two ears to hear are more important for any reporter than regurgitating second-hand information.

The problem with cable news, and the Internet, is that too many of us aren&#039;t even working with second-hand information; we&#039;re writing about subjects we only know about third- and fourth-hand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jaj Istenem! Magyars!</p>
<p>In fairness, I&#8217;m also half-German. My ancestors are all proud people with a lot of reasons to be modest.</p>
<p>Alex, I don&#8217;t know the Parraghs, but my mother&#8217;s side of the family were Hungarian Reformed. She visited the Big D several times as a teen-ager in the church youth group; apparently, Detroit, Cleveland and McKeesport are big hubs of the Hungarian Reformed Church in America.</p>
<p>I used to be a passionate believer in &#8220;balanced&#8221; journalism. The older I get, the more I feel that journalism has to be accurate, even if it comes at the expense of artificial balance.</p>
<p>Calling a spokesman from a trade organization is rarely useful for any story. Getting out of the office and using your two eyes to look and your two ears to hear are more important for any reporter than regurgitating second-hand information.</p>
<p>The problem with cable news, and the Internet, is that too many of us aren&#8217;t even working with second-hand information; we&#8217;re writing about subjects we only know about third- and fourth-hand.</p>
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		<title>By: Dexter</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2008/08/21/the-kids-are-alright/#comment-204428</link>
		<dc:creator>Dexter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 03:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Get Sirius XM Radio and listen to Air America in the afternoons on the XM side, Channel 167.  Randi Rhodes is THE BEST.  Smart as hell and she gives it to McCain hard, and Ms. Rhodes is entertaining in a manner that make you hate it when you can&#039;t listen all the way through the show.  Ms. Maddow is on Air America, too, and she&#039;s great, too...I just prefer Randi Rhodes.
Very habit-forming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Get Sirius XM Radio and listen to Air America in the afternoons on the XM side, Channel 167.  Randi Rhodes is THE BEST.  Smart as hell and she gives it to McCain hard, and Ms. Rhodes is entertaining in a manner that make you hate it when you can&#8217;t listen all the way through the show.  Ms. Maddow is on Air America, too, and she&#8217;s great, too&#8230;I just prefer Randi Rhodes.<br />
Very habit-forming.</p>
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		<title>By: jcburns</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2008/08/21/the-kids-are-alright/#comment-204426</link>
		<dc:creator>jcburns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 03:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, a John McCain banner ad on your site, Nance! (At least here, now, on this particular call-up of the page.) They must be trying to target the Hungarian demo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, a John McCain banner ad on your site, Nance! (At least here, now, on this particular call-up of the page.) They must be trying to target the Hungarian demo.</p>
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		<title>By: grapeshot</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2008/08/21/the-kids-are-alright/#comment-204421</link>
		<dc:creator>grapeshot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 03:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Jason and Alex and Gasman and Colleen, from yet another Hungarian.  It must be Hungarian Day at NN.com

I discovered Rachel Maddow on podcasts from Air America and was struck by her crisp reporting and good sense -- and her wit.  I don&#039;t watch any of the 24-hour news channels, so I missed seeing her on TV.  However, I&#039;m very pleased that she has her own show now, and you can be sure that I&#039;ll be tuning in to see how it goes.  

According to Wikipedia, she actually has a PhD from Oxford in political science.  I&#039;m very impressed, and cannot think of another pundit on the 24-hour news channels who has such an impressive credential.  Unfortunately, credentials and smarts get you nowhere on TV.  Let&#039;s hope that her ratings numbers are successful.  I think they will be, but then, what do I know.  I thought Keen Eddie would last more than 7 episodes.

Maybe Rachel will guest on The Daily Show?  You know, to hype her new show.  Wouldn&#039;t that be too cool for school!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Jason and Alex and Gasman and Colleen, from yet another Hungarian.  It must be Hungarian Day at NN.com</p>
<p>I discovered Rachel Maddow on podcasts from Air America and was struck by her crisp reporting and good sense &#8212; and her wit.  I don&#8217;t watch any of the 24-hour news channels, so I missed seeing her on TV.  However, I&#8217;m very pleased that she has her own show now, and you can be sure that I&#8217;ll be tuning in to see how it goes.  </p>
<p>According to Wikipedia, she actually has a PhD from Oxford in political science.  I&#8217;m very impressed, and cannot think of another pundit on the 24-hour news channels who has such an impressive credential.  Unfortunately, credentials and smarts get you nowhere on TV.  Let&#8217;s hope that her ratings numbers are successful.  I think they will be, but then, what do I know.  I thought Keen Eddie would last more than 7 episodes.</p>
<p>Maybe Rachel will guest on The Daily Show?  You know, to hype her new show.  Wouldn&#8217;t that be too cool for school!</p>
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		<title>By: Linda</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2008/08/21/the-kids-are-alright/#comment-204409</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 01:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: the two sides not &quot;communicating&quot; with one another.  It&#039;s worse than that.  If you read newspapers, you might accidentally be exposed to something you hadn&#039;t thought of, or disagreed with.  Now you can check out only the websites you want, and specify which type of stories you want to read.  I actually read a comment in freerepublic.com (&#039;cause I read all kinds of stuff) that said Fox was getting too left-wing; from now on, he would only get his news from freerepublic or Newsmax.  You can create your own little reality, uncluttered by jarring things from that other reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: the two sides not &#8220;communicating&#8221; with one another.  It&#8217;s worse than that.  If you read newspapers, you might accidentally be exposed to something you hadn&#8217;t thought of, or disagreed with.  Now you can check out only the websites you want, and specify which type of stories you want to read.  I actually read a comment in freerepublic.com (&#8217;cause I read all kinds of stuff) that said Fox was getting too left-wing; from now on, he would only get his news from freerepublic or Newsmax.  You can create your own little reality, uncluttered by jarring things from that other reality.</p>
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		<title>By: Scout</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2008/08/21/the-kids-are-alright/#comment-204395</link>
		<dc:creator>Scout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 22:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The biggest problem I have with the &quot;truthiness&quot; of modern day journalism is the sales job they&#039;ve sprung upon us that there are always two absolutely equal sides to every story... even when it is obvious that one side is completely full of shit.  Take global warming for instance.  For every kajillion scientists that present data supporting the fact that it is indeed occurring, cable news goes out of its way to present the one lone wolf (usually on big oil&#039;s payroll) who is paid to refute it.  What is so infuriating is that the &quot;unbiased&quot; telejournalist will sit there and conduct this maddeningly innocent devil&#039;s advocate moderator interview of two people, one of whom represents the majority view, the other the lobbyist view, that leaves the largely low info person with the impression that &quot; Well hell! Science just isn&#039;t sure yet, so I&#039;ll just go out and buy that Hummer!  Oh and screw recycling too!&quot;

The Jonah Goldberg interview was hysterical.  I don&#039;t know who was funnier; Jonah trying to talk in so many circles he eventually made himself dizzy, or Jon&#039;s succinct take down of the Pantload&#039;s silly piece of garbage.  Given the premise of his magnum opus, I honestly don&#039;t think Jonah probably did much better in the stuff they cut.

Oh and one last thing:  Rachel Maddow rocks. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The biggest problem I have with the &#8220;truthiness&#8221; of modern day journalism is the sales job they&#8217;ve sprung upon us that there are always two absolutely equal sides to every story&#8230; even when it is obvious that one side is completely full of shit.  Take global warming for instance.  For every kajillion scientists that present data supporting the fact that it is indeed occurring, cable news goes out of its way to present the one lone wolf (usually on big oil&#8217;s payroll) who is paid to refute it.  What is so infuriating is that the &#8220;unbiased&#8221; telejournalist will sit there and conduct this maddeningly innocent devil&#8217;s advocate moderator interview of two people, one of whom represents the majority view, the other the lobbyist view, that leaves the largely low info person with the impression that &#8221; Well hell! Science just isn&#8217;t sure yet, so I&#8217;ll just go out and buy that Hummer!  Oh and screw recycling too!&#8221;</p>
<p>The Jonah Goldberg interview was hysterical.  I don&#8217;t know who was funnier; Jonah trying to talk in so many circles he eventually made himself dizzy, or Jon&#8217;s succinct take down of the Pantload&#8217;s silly piece of garbage.  Given the premise of his magnum opus, I honestly don&#8217;t think Jonah probably did much better in the stuff they cut.</p>
<p>Oh and one last thing:  Rachel Maddow rocks.</p>
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		<title>By: joodyb</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2008/08/21/the-kids-are-alright/#comment-204392</link>
		<dc:creator>joodyb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 22:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you discount, jeff tmmo, the irresistible combo of fire and whatever emanates from the human body. 
signed, 
still not over having spawned a male child</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you discount, jeff tmmo, the irresistible combo of fire and whatever emanates from the human body.<br />
signed,<br />
still not over having spawned a male child</p>
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		<title>By: MichaelG</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2008/08/21/the-kids-are-alright/#comment-204390</link>
		<dc:creator>MichaelG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Between college and military we are looking at about &#039;62/&#039;69.  Sounds like we were using inferior products.  I&#039;m not Hungarian, I&#039;m Irish.  You can probably tell.  And you can count me in as a member of the R. M. fan club.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Between college and military we are looking at about &#8217;62/&#8217;69.  Sounds like we were using inferior products.  I&#8217;m not Hungarian, I&#8217;m Irish.  You can probably tell.  And you can count me in as a member of the R. M. fan club.</p>
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