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		<title>By: brian stouder</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2008/09/05/quel-fromage/#comment-208238</link>
		<dc:creator>brian stouder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 14:15:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moe - yesterday the young folks and I stopped at a McDonalds that has a foozball game (amongst other things aimed at kids that are a little older) and TVs set to Fox news, and your excellent link to TPM reminded me that THAT&#039;S where I first saw this story. When we got back home, I googled flags and DNC, and found the article which I linked above.

Senator Obama should hit this specific issue HARD. McCain personally got involved in this smear, and he should be made to pay for it.


(and speaking of making people pay, as one reads the follow-up news, it appears that these flags were STOLEN by the GOP operatives!! even if they were only 25 cents each,  that&#039;s a $3,000 theft....and if you swipe $3,000 worth of stuff from Best Buy, you&#039;re going to prison!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moe &#8211; yesterday the young folks and I stopped at a McDonalds that has a foozball game (amongst other things aimed at kids that are a little older) and TVs set to Fox news, and your excellent link to TPM reminded me that THAT&#8217;S where I first saw this story. When we got back home, I googled flags and DNC, and found the article which I linked above.</p>
<p>Senator Obama should hit this specific issue HARD. McCain personally got involved in this smear, and he should be made to pay for it.</p>
<p>(and speaking of making people pay, as one reads the follow-up news, it appears that these flags were STOLEN by the GOP operatives!! even if they were only 25 cents each,  that&#8217;s a $3,000 theft&#8230;.and if you swipe $3,000 worth of stuff from Best Buy, you&#8217;re going to prison!)</p>
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		<title>By: Gasman</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2008/09/05/quel-fromage/#comment-208171</link>
		<dc:creator>Gasman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 09:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For all of you McCain supporters, please visit my post on the next thread. (#comment-208167) &quot;Straight Talk&quot; express my ass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For all of you McCain supporters, please visit my post on the next thread. (#comment-208167) &#8220;Straight Talk&#8221; express my ass.</p>
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		<title>By: moe99</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2008/09/05/quel-fromage/#comment-208168</link>
		<dc:creator>moe99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 06:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian,

At least Talkingpointsmemo.com is on to this:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/214283.php</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian,</p>
<p>At least Talkingpointsmemo.com is on to this:</p>
<p><a href="http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/214283.php" rel="nofollow">http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/214283.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: brian stouder</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2008/09/05/quel-fromage/#comment-208092</link>
		<dc:creator>brian stouder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 22:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Say, speaking of owed-apologies and so on, here&#039;s a tried and true cheap shot, thanks to the same folks who denigrated John Kerry&#039;s service to his country, before insisting (this year) that ONLY John McCain has ever really and truly &quot;fought&quot; for us!

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_10398830?source=rss

an excerpt:

&lt;I&gt;This morning, Republicans tell me that a worker at Invesco Field in Denver saved thousands of unused flags from the Democratic National Convention that were headed for the garbage. Guerrilla campaigning. They will use these flags at their own event today in Colorado Springs with John McCain and Sarah Palin.&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;i&gt;Before McCain speaks today, veterans will haul these garbage bags filled with flags out onto the stage — with dramatic effect, no doubt — and tell the story. &quot;What you see in the picture I sent you is less than half of total flags,&quot; a Republican official emailed. &quot;We estimate the total number to be around 12,000 small flags and one full size 3×5 flag.&quot;&lt;/i&gt; 

Because, of  course, it gives Democrats orgasmic pleasure to physically mistreat the American flag, doncha&#039; know? &quot;They&quot; all hate America and are flatly unpatriotic, as &quot;we&quot; all know, right? And, John McCain wasn&#039;t gonna impugn the patriotism of his opponent....at least until he did! (sorta like Gov Palin&#039;s opposition to earmarks, except when the earmarked pork is headed her way!) 

Well, we&#039;ll see if this sort of stuff works again, soon enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Say, speaking of owed-apologies and so on, here&#8217;s a tried and true cheap shot, thanks to the same folks who denigrated John Kerry&#8217;s service to his country, before insisting (this year) that ONLY John McCain has ever really and truly &#8220;fought&#8221; for us!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.denverpost.com/ci_10398830?source=rss" rel="nofollow">http://www.denverpost.com/ci_10398830?source=rss</a></p>
<p>an excerpt:</p>
<p><i>This morning, Republicans tell me that a worker at Invesco Field in Denver saved thousands of unused flags from the Democratic National Convention that were headed for the garbage. Guerrilla campaigning. They will use these flags at their own event today in Colorado Springs with John McCain and Sarah Palin.</i></p>
<p><i>Before McCain speaks today, veterans will haul these garbage bags filled with flags out onto the stage — with dramatic effect, no doubt — and tell the story. &#8220;What you see in the picture I sent you is less than half of total flags,&#8221; a Republican official emailed. &#8220;We estimate the total number to be around 12,000 small flags and one full size 3×5 flag.&#8221;</i> </p>
<p>Because, of  course, it gives Democrats orgasmic pleasure to physically mistreat the American flag, doncha&#8217; know? &#8220;They&#8221; all hate America and are flatly unpatriotic, as &#8220;we&#8221; all know, right? And, John McCain wasn&#8217;t gonna impugn the patriotism of his opponent&#8230;.at least until he did! (sorta like Gov Palin&#8217;s opposition to earmarks, except when the earmarked pork is headed her way!) </p>
<p>Well, we&#8217;ll see if this sort of stuff works again, soon enough.</p>
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		<title>By: brian stouder</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2008/09/05/quel-fromage/#comment-208091</link>
		<dc:creator>brian stouder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 21:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Danny, I will grant the point that those terms were mentioned by various speakers at the GOP convention. If that is strictly what this discussion is about, then you are indeed and unassailably correct.

What I recall about that convention was that we were being assured that the economy was fine, and that the Democrats would surely foul up the &lt;b&gt;good thing&lt;/b&gt; we have going...which struck me as willfully disingenuous and &quot;not straight&quot;, whereas Biden&#039;s comments struck me as very straight. (and indeed, the out-of-power folks will always attack the status quo, while the incumbents will always defend it. It WAS interesting to watch the supporters of the exciting Palin and her pallid &quot;straight talking&quot; presidential  nominee try to both claim that all is well, while vigorously disowning the extant Republican party!!) 

IMO, Biden was the straight-talking one, but we shall see.

Here&#039;s an aside for Jeff -

http://blog.beliefnet.com/godspolitics/2008/09/palin-owes-some-good-people-an.html

Here&#039;s a couple interesting excerpts:

&lt;i&gt;Wednesday morning I got an e-mail from a former member of our Sojourners community. Perry Perkins is now a community organizer in Louisiana with affiliates of the Industrial Areas Foundation (IAF). &quot;Perk,&quot; as we used to call him, reported on the enormous consequences of 2 million people being evacuated because of Hurricane Gustav, much of the state now being without power, how hard cities like Baton Rouge were hit, the tens of thousands of people in shelters and churches, and the continuing problems caused by heavy rains and flooding. Then he talked about how their community organizers were responding to all of this -- responding to hundreds of service calls, assisting local officials in evacuation plans, aiding evacuees without transportation, coordinating shelters and opening new ones, providing food, essential services, and financial aid to those in most need. Since Katrina, Perry&#039;s Louisiana interfaith organizations have played a lead role in securing millions of dollars to help thousands of families return to New Orleans and rebuild their homes and their lives.&lt;/i&gt;

and the money quote -

&lt;i&gt;Palin&#039;s effort to attack the experience of Barack Obama, a former community organizer in Chicago, turned into a bad joke and an insult. &lt;b&gt;Palin owes a lot of good people an apology.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;

 </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Danny, I will grant the point that those terms were mentioned by various speakers at the GOP convention. If that is strictly what this discussion is about, then you are indeed and unassailably correct.</p>
<p>What I recall about that convention was that we were being assured that the economy was fine, and that the Democrats would surely foul up the <b>good thing</b> we have going&#8230;which struck me as willfully disingenuous and &#8220;not straight&#8221;, whereas Biden&#8217;s comments struck me as very straight. (and indeed, the out-of-power folks will always attack the status quo, while the incumbents will always defend it. It WAS interesting to watch the supporters of the exciting Palin and her pallid &#8220;straight talking&#8221; presidential  nominee try to both claim that all is well, while vigorously disowning the extant Republican party!!) </p>
<p>IMO, Biden was the straight-talking one, but we shall see.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s an aside for Jeff -</p>
<p><a href="http://blog.beliefnet.com/godspolitics/2008/09/palin-owes-some-good-people-an.html" rel="nofollow">http://blog.beliefnet.com/godspolitics/2008/09/palin-owes-some-good-people-an.html</a></p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a couple interesting excerpts:</p>
<p><i>Wednesday morning I got an e-mail from a former member of our Sojourners community. Perry Perkins is now a community organizer in Louisiana with affiliates of the Industrial Areas Foundation (IAF). &#8220;Perk,&#8221; as we used to call him, reported on the enormous consequences of 2 million people being evacuated because of Hurricane Gustav, much of the state now being without power, how hard cities like Baton Rouge were hit, the tens of thousands of people in shelters and churches, and the continuing problems caused by heavy rains and flooding. Then he talked about how their community organizers were responding to all of this &#8212; responding to hundreds of service calls, assisting local officials in evacuation plans, aiding evacuees without transportation, coordinating shelters and opening new ones, providing food, essential services, and financial aid to those in most need. Since Katrina, Perry&#8217;s Louisiana interfaith organizations have played a lead role in securing millions of dollars to help thousands of families return to New Orleans and rebuild their homes and their lives.</i></p>
<p>and the money quote -</p>
<p><i>Palin&#8217;s effort to attack the experience of Barack Obama, a former community organizer in Chicago, turned into a bad joke and an insult. <b>Palin owes a lot of good people an apology.</b></i></p>
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		<title>By: Danny</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2008/09/05/quel-fromage/#comment-208089</link>
		<dc:creator>Danny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 21:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian, I&#039;m not sure you were following the discussion closely enough.  Moe stated that Biden was being straight in that video.  about 1:20 into it he said that at the Republican Convention they never talked about the middleclass, jobs or healthcare.  But all one has to do is go to the transcripts to see that was not so.  McCain definitely talked about all three.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian, I&#8217;m not sure you were following the discussion closely enough.  Moe stated that Biden was being straight in that video.  about 1:20 into it he said that at the Republican Convention they never talked about the middleclass, jobs or healthcare.  But all one has to do is go to the transcripts to see that was not so.  McCain definitely talked about all three.</p>
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		<title>By: brian stouder</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2008/09/05/quel-fromage/#comment-208086</link>
		<dc:creator>brian stouder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 21:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Moe, you can stand by your statements all you want...&lt;/i&gt;


agreed


&lt;i&gt;but I have shown you to be wrong.&lt;/i&gt;

no.

This is why we hold elections, yes? Right or Wrong get decided by what majorities of people in states with the correct total of electoral votes think.

In this particular discussion, I agree with moe, but there are any number of folks who will agree with your assessment, Danny. In 8 weeks, we&#039;ll see who was right</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Moe, you can stand by your statements all you want&#8230;</i></p>
<p>agreed</p>
<p><i>but I have shown you to be wrong.</i></p>
<p>no.</p>
<p>This is why we hold elections, yes? Right or Wrong get decided by what majorities of people in states with the correct total of electoral votes think.</p>
<p>In this particular discussion, I agree with moe, but there are any number of folks who will agree with your assessment, Danny. In 8 weeks, we&#8217;ll see who was right</p>
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		<title>By: Danny</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2008/09/05/quel-fromage/#comment-208084</link>
		<dc:creator>Danny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 21:04:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Oh and Danny, I stand by my statements. You have given nothing of quotes made by either McCain or Palin&lt;/i&gt;

Moe, you can stand by your statements all you want, but I have shown you to be wrong.  It doesn&#039;t matter. You&#039;re safe here.  No one (else) will call you on it.

And regarding quotes from McCain and Palin, I was never asked to give any, so why would I have?  We were talking about Biden not being so &quot;damn straight.&quot;  Remember?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Oh and Danny, I stand by my statements. You have given nothing of quotes made by either McCain or Palin</i></p>
<p>Moe, you can stand by your statements all you want, but I have shown you to be wrong.  It doesn&#8217;t matter. You&#8217;re safe here.  No one (else) will call you on it.</p>
<p>And regarding quotes from McCain and Palin, I was never asked to give any, so why would I have?  We were talking about Biden not being so &#8220;damn straight.&#8221;  Remember?</p>
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		<title>By: brian stouder</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2008/09/05/quel-fromage/#comment-208083</link>
		<dc:creator>brian stouder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 21:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Despite that The Proprietress disagrees, I still suspect that there&#039;s something more to the story of the suddenly long-winded and ad-libbing Rudy, and the resultant short-shrift given to Governor Palin&#039;s introductory video, on the big-big night that she was unveiled to the nation. My guess is that some egregious thing was in there that they needed to excise....and the foul-up with the school picture (and the resultant green-green backdrop for the pallid head of Palin&#039;s ticket) only reinforces that suspicion.

For another example of the wobbly nature of the GOP&#039;s convention, which has a local (to Fort Wayne) hook, see Mitch Harper&#039;s blog at  

http://indiana.typepad.com/fwob/

It seems that one of the Code Pink party crashers who interrupted Governor Palin&#039;s address gained access to the floor using the credentials of one of our local alternate delegates!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Despite that The Proprietress disagrees, I still suspect that there&#8217;s something more to the story of the suddenly long-winded and ad-libbing Rudy, and the resultant short-shrift given to Governor Palin&#8217;s introductory video, on the big-big night that she was unveiled to the nation. My guess is that some egregious thing was in there that they needed to excise&#8230;.and the foul-up with the school picture (and the resultant green-green backdrop for the pallid head of Palin&#8217;s ticket) only reinforces that suspicion.</p>
<p>For another example of the wobbly nature of the GOP&#8217;s convention, which has a local (to Fort Wayne) hook, see Mitch Harper&#8217;s blog at  </p>
<p><a href="http://indiana.typepad.com/fwob/" rel="nofollow">http://indiana.typepad.com/fwob/</a></p>
<p>It seems that one of the Code Pink party crashers who interrupted Governor Palin&#8217;s address gained access to the floor using the credentials of one of our local alternate delegates!</p>
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		<title>By: LA Mary</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2008/09/05/quel-fromage/#comment-208076</link>
		<dc:creator>LA Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 20:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not buying the McCain campaign story. If they wanted a standard public school photo, there&#039;s John Marshall High, which has been used in commercials and movies for years. 


www.movie-locations.com/movies/b/buffy.html

It&#039;s about six miles from Walter Reed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not buying the McCain campaign story. If they wanted a standard public school photo, there&#8217;s John Marshall High, which has been used in commercials and movies for years. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.movie-locations.com/movies/b/buffy.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.movie-locations.com/movies/b/buffy.html</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s about six miles from Walter Reed.</p>
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