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		<title>By: LAMary</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2008/09/15/the-meltdown/#comment-210665</link>
		<dc:creator>LAMary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right Joe, there are lots of people like them. They are currently running banks and investment companies into the ground and giving themselves huge salaries.  They are running for office on anti-gay platforms but having furtive homosexual encounters. They want to throw drug users in jail but they can&#039;t survive without illegally obtained vicodin, percocet and oxycontin. They give jobs to cronies and family while intimidating experienced staff, and best of all they lie about the whole thing. And they want to ban books.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right Joe, there are lots of people like them. They are currently running banks and investment companies into the ground and giving themselves huge salaries.  They are running for office on anti-gay platforms but having furtive homosexual encounters. They want to throw drug users in jail but they can&#8217;t survive without illegally obtained vicodin, percocet and oxycontin. They give jobs to cronies and family while intimidating experienced staff, and best of all they lie about the whole thing. And they want to ban books.</p>
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		<title>By: Jolene</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2008/09/15/the-meltdown/#comment-210515</link>
		<dc:creator>Jolene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 06:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the issue were really abusiveness, though, Catherine, the thing to do would be to deal with him through law enforcement channels.  The question of his employment is not relevant to his behavior toward anyone in the Palin family.  And he was disciplined for some work-related infractions.

David Frum has &lt;a href=&quot;http://frum.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NTcxOGRiMWY0MmQzMWRhMzg2NzQ1MjE2NTNiYmM2NzY=&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;an interesting take on the &quot;reformer&quot; mentality&lt;/a&gt; that leads people to overstep their bounds.  An excerpt:

&lt;i&gt;Periodically there is an eruption of reform. The leaders of these eruptions have to be brave and charismatic. They excite intense loyalty among their followers - and provoke keen resentment among those who have enjoyed the old ways of doing business.

But it also often happens that this same bold leader has a strong messianic streak. They see no difference between themselves and their movement. They draw fierce lines between friends and enemies. They intensely resent criticism. They see no contradiction between their demand for total openness from others - and secrecy for themselves. They can be paranoid and vindictive - because after all, their enemies are enemies of the great cause. &lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the issue were really abusiveness, though, Catherine, the thing to do would be to deal with him through law enforcement channels.  The question of his employment is not relevant to his behavior toward anyone in the Palin family.  And he was disciplined for some work-related infractions.</p>
<p>David Frum has <a href="http://frum.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NTcxOGRiMWY0MmQzMWRhMzg2NzQ1MjE2NTNiYmM2NzY=" rel="nofollow">an interesting take on the &#8220;reformer&#8221; mentality</a> that leads people to overstep their bounds.  An excerpt:</p>
<p><i>Periodically there is an eruption of reform. The leaders of these eruptions have to be brave and charismatic. They excite intense loyalty among their followers &#8211; and provoke keen resentment among those who have enjoyed the old ways of doing business.</p>
<p>But it also often happens that this same bold leader has a strong messianic streak. They see no difference between themselves and their movement. They draw fierce lines between friends and enemies. They intensely resent criticism. They see no contradiction between their demand for total openness from others &#8211; and secrecy for themselves. They can be paranoid and vindictive &#8211; because after all, their enemies are enemies of the great cause. </i></p>
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		<title>By: moe99</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2008/09/15/the-meltdown/#comment-210512</link>
		<dc:creator>moe99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 06:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This from Robert F. Kennedy Jr in the HuffPo:

&lt;i&gt;Fascist writer Westbrook Pegler, an avowed racist who Sarah Palin approvingly quoted in her acceptance speech for the moral superiority of small town values, expressed his fervent hope about my father, Robert F. Kennedy, as he contemplated his own run for the presidency in 1965, that &quot;some white patriot of the Southern tier will spatter his spoonful of brains in public premises before the snow flies.&quot;

It might be worth asking Governor Palin for a tally of the other favorites from her reading list. &lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This from Robert F. Kennedy Jr in the HuffPo:</p>
<p><i>Fascist writer Westbrook Pegler, an avowed racist who Sarah Palin approvingly quoted in her acceptance speech for the moral superiority of small town values, expressed his fervent hope about my father, Robert F. Kennedy, as he contemplated his own run for the presidency in 1965, that &#8220;some white patriot of the Southern tier will spatter his spoonful of brains in public premises before the snow flies.&#8221;</p>
<p>It might be worth asking Governor Palin for a tally of the other favorites from her reading list. </i></p>
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		<title>By: Gasman</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2008/09/15/the-meltdown/#comment-210478</link>
		<dc:creator>Gasman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 05:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Catherine,
Steal away, I did.  I heard it on a radio show called &quot;Faith Matters&quot; which runs on one of our local public radio stations.

Joe, how come Republican lies are OK?  And what polls you been lookin&#039; at?  You want to bet that McCain is at his poll zenith right now?  His numbers aren&#039;t going to go any higher.  Just the opposite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Catherine,<br />
Steal away, I did.  I heard it on a radio show called &#8220;Faith Matters&#8221; which runs on one of our local public radio stations.</p>
<p>Joe, how come Republican lies are OK?  And what polls you been lookin&#8217; at?  You want to bet that McCain is at his poll zenith right now?  His numbers aren&#8217;t going to go any higher.  Just the opposite.</p>
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		<title>By: Catherine</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2008/09/15/the-meltdown/#comment-210466</link>
		<dc:creator>Catherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 03:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sarah Palin&#039;s truthiness is clearly compromised.  That said, if my sister were going through a nasty divorce from an abusive guy, and I could get him away from the family, I&#039;d be pretty tempted to make a call too.  Waiting to learn more on that one...

Gasman, I love the Jesus/Pontius thing &amp; plan to borrow it, with your permission.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarah Palin&#8217;s truthiness is clearly compromised.  That said, if my sister were going through a nasty divorce from an abusive guy, and I could get him away from the family, I&#8217;d be pretty tempted to make a call too.  Waiting to learn more on that one&#8230;</p>
<p>Gasman, I love the Jesus/Pontius thing &amp; plan to borrow it, with your permission.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Kobiela</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2008/09/15/the-meltdown/#comment-210465</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Kobiela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 03:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keep rippen McCain and Palin, Took a look at the polls lately?
Every time some one try&#039;s to discredit them, the lead gets larger.
I still think there are more people that like them than anyone thinks.
Joe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keep rippen McCain and Palin, Took a look at the polls lately?<br />
Every time some one try&#8217;s to discredit them, the lead gets larger.<br />
I still think there are more people that like them than anyone thinks.<br />
Joe</p>
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		<title>By: MaryC</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2008/09/15/the-meltdown/#comment-210463</link>
		<dc:creator>MaryC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 02:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;she had been avoiding eating so she would not have to use the bathroom&lt;/I&gt;

I never thought I&#039;d run out of sympathy for any disaster victim but something about this quote and a nearly identical quote from another Galveston woman (I think it might have been Hallowe&#039;en Jack&#039;s Ms. Jones, actually) just really pissed me off.

&quot;I didn&#039;t eat as much because the toilets were overflowing.&quot;

Jeez, ladies, I thought you might have held off eating because you were sharing an EMERGENCY SHELTER for WHO KNOWS HOW LONG with CHILDREN and there might not have been ENOUGH FOOD TO GO AROUND so you might want to THINK ABOUT SOMEONE BESIDES YOURSELF FOR A CHANGE.    But then it wouldn&#039;t be all about you, would it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>she had been avoiding eating so she would not have to use the bathroom</i></p>
<p>I never thought I&#8217;d run out of sympathy for any disaster victim but something about this quote and a nearly identical quote from another Galveston woman (I think it might have been Hallowe&#8217;en Jack&#8217;s Ms. Jones, actually) just really pissed me off.</p>
<p>&#8220;I didn&#8217;t eat as much because the toilets were overflowing.&#8221;</p>
<p>Jeez, ladies, I thought you might have held off eating because you were sharing an EMERGENCY SHELTER for WHO KNOWS HOW LONG with CHILDREN and there might not have been ENOUGH FOOD TO GO AROUND so you might want to THINK ABOUT SOMEONE BESIDES YOURSELF FOR A CHANGE.    But then it wouldn&#8217;t be all about you, would it?</p>
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		<title>By: Gasman</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2008/09/15/the-meltdown/#comment-210462</link>
		<dc:creator>Gasman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 02:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Palin supporters:  is there a single subject in the Governor&#039;s background that she hasn&#039;t openly lied about or engaged in extreme overstatement?  I can&#039;t think of anything that she has cited that has been truthful.  My Momma told me, &quot;If someone&#039;s lyin&#039;, they&#039;re hidin&#039; something.&quot;  I think Mom was right.

Remember, Jesus Christ was a community organizer and Pontius Pilate was a Governor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Palin supporters:  is there a single subject in the Governor&#8217;s background that she hasn&#8217;t openly lied about or engaged in extreme overstatement?  I can&#8217;t think of anything that she has cited that has been truthful.  My Momma told me, &#8220;If someone&#8217;s lyin&#8217;, they&#8217;re hidin&#8217; something.&#8221;  I think Mom was right.</p>
<p>Remember, Jesus Christ was a community organizer and Pontius Pilate was a Governor.</p>
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		<title>By: brian stouder</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2008/09/15/the-meltdown/#comment-210458</link>
		<dc:creator>brian stouder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 01:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very well said, Moe. 

Another poster may well chime in at any moment to declare that &#039;you&#039;re wrong&#039;, and in so doing, that poster might feel better about things in general. Whatever.

The McCain-as-vampire picture (linked previously) was particularly striking to me, because the whole McCain campaign seems to be following the classic Hollywood summertime paperback Vampire storyline;

the guy is ancient, ancient; probably more dead than alive - and his campaign was going absolutely nowhere...right up &#039;til he beguiled the young, attractive, vibrant governor of Alaska, and put the bite on her! 

And now, his campaign absolutely depends on the fresh blood she generously gifts to him; when he appears without her he is visibly weaker, and when he appears with her, she transfuses life into him. 

Honestly, I do not know what to think of the &quot;Troopergate&quot; thing. Palin flatly promised to cooperate, and now the McCain Campaign just as flatly declares that no such cooperation will come to pass.

Is this an all-too-clever scheme to have the press over-react, and cruelly villify the fair Ms Palin, only to have her vindicated at the last possible moment? Or, is there really something damaging in the 1100 emails that the Palins won&#039;t release?

And the underlying drama is, if McCain goes down in November, will Governor Palin&#039;s political future be damned in time and eternity? Hell, if he WINS - what happens to her? Will they Agnew her out of office? THAT would be a hell of an ending - very fitting for the vampire motiff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very well said, Moe. </p>
<p>Another poster may well chime in at any moment to declare that &#8216;you&#8217;re wrong&#8217;, and in so doing, that poster might feel better about things in general. Whatever.</p>
<p>The McCain-as-vampire picture (linked previously) was particularly striking to me, because the whole McCain campaign seems to be following the classic Hollywood summertime paperback Vampire storyline;</p>
<p>the guy is ancient, ancient; probably more dead than alive &#8211; and his campaign was going absolutely nowhere&#8230;right up &#8217;til he beguiled the young, attractive, vibrant governor of Alaska, and put the bite on her! </p>
<p>And now, his campaign absolutely depends on the fresh blood she generously gifts to him; when he appears without her he is visibly weaker, and when he appears with her, she transfuses life into him. </p>
<p>Honestly, I do not know what to think of the &#8220;Troopergate&#8221; thing. Palin flatly promised to cooperate, and now the McCain Campaign just as flatly declares that no such cooperation will come to pass.</p>
<p>Is this an all-too-clever scheme to have the press over-react, and cruelly villify the fair Ms Palin, only to have her vindicated at the last possible moment? Or, is there really something damaging in the 1100 emails that the Palins won&#8217;t release?</p>
<p>And the underlying drama is, if McCain goes down in November, will Governor Palin&#8217;s political future be damned in time and eternity? Hell, if he WINS &#8211; what happens to her? Will they Agnew her out of office? THAT would be a hell of an ending &#8211; very fitting for the vampire motiff</p>
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		<title>By: moe99</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2008/09/15/the-meltdown/#comment-210455</link>
		<dc:creator>moe99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Got this from my friend, the Klickitat County prosecutor:

Confused? 

I&#039;m a little confused. Let me see if I have this straight.....
  
* If you grow up in Hawaii , raised by your grandparents, you&#039;re &quot;exotic, different.&quot;
  
* Grow up in Alaska eating mooseburgers,  a quintessential American story.
  
* If your name is Barack you&#039;re a radical, unpatriotic Muslim.
  
* Name your kids Willow, Trig, Bristol, and Track, you&#039;re a maverick.
  
* Graduate from Harvard law School and you are unstable.
  
* Attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you&#039;re well grounded.
 
* If you spend 3 years as a brilliant community organizer, become the first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor,  spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, become chairman of the state Senate&#039;s Health and Human Services committee, spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of  13 million  people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran &#039; s Affairs committees, you don&#039;t have any real leadership experience.
  
* If your total resume is: local weather girl, 4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people, 20 months as the governor of a state with only 650,000  people, then you&#039;re qualified to become the country&#039;s second highest ranking executive and next in line behind a man in his eighth decade.

* If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while raising 2 daughters, all within Protestant churches, you&#039;re not a real Christian.
  
If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and then left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, you&#039;re a true Christian.
  
* If you teach responsible, age appropriate sex education, including the proper use of birth control, you are eroding the fiber of  society. 

* If, while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence only, with no other option in sex education in your state&#039;s school system while your unwed teen daughter ends up pregnant, you&#039;re very responsible. 

* If your wife is a Harvard graduate laywer who gave up a position in a prestigious law firm to work for the betterment of her inner city community, then gave that up to raise a family, your family&#039;s values don&#039;t represent America&#039;s.

 * If your husband is nicknamed &quot;First Dude&quot;,  with at least one DWI conviction and no college education, who didn&#039;t register to vote until age 25 and once was a member of a group that advocated the secession of Alaska from the USA, your family is extremely admirable.
  
OK, much clearer now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Got this from my friend, the Klickitat County prosecutor:</p>
<p>Confused? </p>
<p>I&#8217;m a little confused. Let me see if I have this straight&#8230;..</p>
<p>* If you grow up in Hawaii , raised by your grandparents, you&#8217;re &#8220;exotic, different.&#8221;</p>
<p>* Grow up in Alaska eating mooseburgers,  a quintessential American story.</p>
<p>* If your name is Barack you&#8217;re a radical, unpatriotic Muslim.</p>
<p>* Name your kids Willow, Trig, Bristol, and Track, you&#8217;re a maverick.</p>
<p>* Graduate from Harvard law School and you are unstable.</p>
<p>* Attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you&#8217;re well grounded.</p>
<p>* If you spend 3 years as a brilliant community organizer, become the first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor,  spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, become chairman of the state Senate&#8217;s Health and Human Services committee, spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of  13 million  people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran &#8216; s Affairs committees, you don&#8217;t have any real leadership experience.</p>
<p>* If your total resume is: local weather girl, 4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people, 20 months as the governor of a state with only 650,000  people, then you&#8217;re qualified to become the country&#8217;s second highest ranking executive and next in line behind a man in his eighth decade.</p>
<p>* If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while raising 2 daughters, all within Protestant churches, you&#8217;re not a real Christian.</p>
<p>If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and then left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, you&#8217;re a true Christian.</p>
<p>* If you teach responsible, age appropriate sex education, including the proper use of birth control, you are eroding the fiber of  society. </p>
<p>* If, while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence only, with no other option in sex education in your state&#8217;s school system while your unwed teen daughter ends up pregnant, you&#8217;re very responsible. </p>
<p>* If your wife is a Harvard graduate laywer who gave up a position in a prestigious law firm to work for the betterment of her inner city community, then gave that up to raise a family, your family&#8217;s values don&#8217;t represent America&#8217;s.</p>
<p> * If your husband is nicknamed &#8220;First Dude&#8221;,  with at least one DWI conviction and no college education, who didn&#8217;t register to vote until age 25 and once was a member of a group that advocated the secession of Alaska from the USA, your family is extremely admirable.</p>
<p>OK, much clearer now.</p>
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