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		<title>By: Jolene</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2008/11/11/who-us-racist/comment-page-1/#comment-223652</link>
		<dc:creator>Jolene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 13:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw it, Alex.  It was a great film, and I had the same thought.  Thank God for the end of that.  People who missed it can find it online at the PBS site.  Very much worth watching.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw it, Alex.  It was a great film, and I had the same thought.  Thank God for the end of that.  People who missed it can find it online at the PBS site.  Very much worth watching.</p>
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		<title>By: alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 12:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff TMMO, the NYT chick pea salad was fantastic. I gave it a tad more ginger and skipped the cilantro because we had none, but it was so good I&#039;m about to have some for breakfast.

Anyone catch the PBS Frontline on Lee Atwater last night? Let&#039;s hope this election tolls the death of his legacy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff TMMO, the NYT chick pea salad was fantastic. I gave it a tad more ginger and skipped the cilantro because we had none, but it was so good I’m about to have some for breakfast.</p>
<p>Anyone catch the PBS Frontline on Lee Atwater last night? Let’s hope this election tolls the death of his legacy.</p>
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		<title>By: moe99</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2008/11/11/who-us-racist/comment-page-1/#comment-223607</link>
		<dc:creator>moe99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 07:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&quot;m on a private list serv with a bunch of lawyers from around the nation; we formed it when Steven Brill&#039;s Counsel Connect went the way of the inter tubes and folded in 1999.  Not one of us on the Politics thread voted for McCain this time out.  Everyone to a member voted for Obama and this includes at least 10% long term Republicans.  They just could not take the mendacity any longer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I“m on a private list serv with a bunch of lawyers from around the nation; we formed it when Steven Brill’s Counsel Connect went the way of the inter tubes and folded in 1999.  Not one of us on the Politics thread voted for McCain this time out.  Everyone to a member voted for Obama and this includes at least 10% long term Republicans.  They just could not take the mendacity any longer.</p>
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		<title>By: Jolene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jolene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 07:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A belated response, mark: I can&#039;t prove it, but I&#039;m pretty sure Brooks was talking about numbers of people, not amount of contributions.  It&#039;s OK to dismiss these contributors as acting on the basis of self-interest (and I acknowledge that the ATLA is deep in the Democratic tank), but isn&#039;t that generally why people vote?  Also, there&#039;s the point re more college-educated people voting for Obama.  

I don&#039;t want to argue about this a lot more.  My general point was that the Republican party is bleeding voters in pretty much every conceivable way (They&#039;re losing the most educated voters, they are less appealing to women, and they are less appealing to Hispanics, the fastest-growing ethnic group in the U.S.) and that someone at a high level of the party should be thinking about whether another capital gains tax cut is really going to reverse these trends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A belated response, mark: I can’t prove it, but I’m pretty sure Brooks was talking about numbers of people, not amount of contributions.  It’s OK to dismiss these contributors as acting on the basis of self-interest (and I acknowledge that the ATLA is deep in the Democratic tank), but isn’t that generally why people vote?  Also, there’s the point re more college-educated people voting for Obama.  </p>
<p>I don’t want to argue about this a lot more.  My general point was that the Republican party is bleeding voters in pretty much every conceivable way (They’re losing the most educated voters, they are less appealing to women, and they are less appealing to Hispanics, the fastest-growing ethnic group in the U.S.) and that someone at a high level of the party should be thinking about whether another capital gains tax cut is really going to reverse these trends.</p>
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		<title>By: joodyb</title>
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		<dc:creator>joodyb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 23:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nn, can i have a post in your new Kill the Just cabinet?
it is one of my pet peeves. &quot;in just 3 days&quot; indicates the writer thinks 3 days isn&#039;t a very long time, as opposed to saying &quot;in 3 days&quot; - why not let the reader decide? &quot;that is just ridiculous&quot; is different form &quot;that is ridiculous&quot; how? i rarely find justification for the use of just. it is more of a Cheeto in that way. 

i have to come down on the side of not reading my racist ancestry into the phrase &quot;cotton-pickin.&quot; such affectations are regional, on top of everything else, and even if i heard my mom say it, i wouldn&#039;t have had the historical perspective to hear it as a slur and at the age of 4-5 would have repeated it. colloquialisms are neutered over time; it goes to schooled and precise (adult) speech. what does that descriptor conjure? as a little kid, i thought of Q-tips. though grandpa might have known full well what his dad meant by it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nn, can i have a post in your new Kill the Just cabinet?<br />
it is one of my pet peeves. “in just 3 days” indicates the writer thinks 3 days isn’t a very long time, as opposed to saying “in 3 days” — why not let the reader decide? “that is just ridiculous” is different form “that is ridiculous” how? i rarely find justification for the use of just. it is more of a Cheeto in that way. </p>
<p>i have to come down on the side of not reading my racist ancestry into the phrase “cotton-pickin.” such affectations are regional, on top of everything else, and even if i heard my mom say it, i wouldn’t have had the historical perspective to hear it as a slur and at the age of 4–5 would have repeated it. colloquialisms are neutered over time; it goes to schooled and precise (adult) speech. what does that descriptor conjure? as a little kid, i thought of Q-tips. though grandpa might have known full well what his dad meant by it.</p>
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		<title>By: Gasman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gasman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that it is ultimately unfair to hold people from previous eras to modern standards concerning racial issues and attitudes.  Our view backwards through history is clouded by the many recent changes which have occurred and this perspective tends to warp our perspective of individuals within the context of their own time.  

Abraham Lincoln made statements about blacks, which in today’s society would seem hopelessly bigoted and racist.  Lincoln, however, was one of the most progressive voices on the national stage when it came to the subject of race and how likely - or unlikely - it was for blacks and whites to live as fellow countrymen and equals in a post slavery U.S.

Remember the example of Al Campanis, who was fired from his job as general manager of the Los Angeles Dodgers after his racially insensitive remarks on ABC’s “Nightline” April 6, 1987.  I watched it live and I knew the moment that I heard those words come out of his mouth that his career in baseball was over.  However, I also knew that from his perspective, Campanis’ remarks were not indicative of any hatred toward black players, merely an insensitivity that was instilled in him as part of his upbringing during a far less enlightened time.  He was a teammate of Jackie Robinson’s on the Dodgers and was probably closer to Robinson than most of his other white teammates.  There is every indication that he was one of the more accepting and progressive white players of his era.

My concern with the recent eruptions of racism in response to President Elect Obama is that they have come from not from people who make these utterances out of racial insensitivity, but those who do so largely from a position of obdurate intolerance and hatred.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that it is ultimately unfair to hold people from previous eras to modern standards concerning racial issues and attitudes.  Our view backwards through history is clouded by the many recent changes which have occurred and this perspective tends to warp our perspective of individuals within the context of their own time.  </p>
<p>Abraham Lincoln made statements about blacks, which in today’s society would seem hopelessly bigoted and racist.  Lincoln, however, was one of the most progressive voices on the national stage when it came to the subject of race and how likely — or unlikely — it was for blacks and whites to live as fellow countrymen and equals in a post slavery U.S.</p>
<p>Remember the example of Al Campanis, who was fired from his job as general manager of the Los Angeles Dodgers after his racially insensitive remarks on ABC’s “Nightline” April 6, 1987.  I watched it live and I knew the moment that I heard those words come out of his mouth that his career in baseball was over.  However, I also knew that from his perspective, Campanis’ remarks were not indicative of any hatred toward black players, merely an insensitivity that was instilled in him as part of his upbringing during a far less enlightened time.  He was a teammate of Jackie Robinson’s on the Dodgers and was probably closer to Robinson than most of his other white teammates.  There is every indication that he was one of the more accepting and progressive white players of his era.</p>
<p>My concern with the recent eruptions of racism in response to President Elect Obama is that they have come from not from people who make these utterances out of racial insensitivity, but those who do so largely from a position of obdurate intolerance and hatred.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love the wordle. Did it with a bunch of my stories.

&quot;Like&quot; seems to be my Kill word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love the wordle. Did it with a bunch of my stories.</p>
<p>“Like” seems to be my Kill word.</p>
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		<title>By: Dexter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dexter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being someone who has hung around many big cities , walking along the avenues and boulevards, I have occasionally run into a celebrity...but this takes the cake:
http://www.freep.com/article/20081110/COL10/811100379/?imw=Y</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being someone who has hung around many big cities , walking along the avenues and boulevards, I have occasionally run into a celebrity…but this takes the cake:<br />
<a href="http://www.freep.com/article/20081110/COL10/811100379/?imw=Y" rel="nofollow">http://www.freep.com/article/20081110/COL10/811100379/?imw=Y</a></p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 20:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have enjoyed the comments, but would anyone like to recap prior instances of this.  

I remember, John Bloom at the hold Dallas Times Herald and his work in &quot;We are the Weird&quot;.  I thought John was a great columnist, and a nice enough guy the few times we met, but he was out the door within days of that &quot;satire&quot;

Someone more savvy than I will have to find a link to the original, or maybe it has been wiped clean off the world wide interwebs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have enjoyed the comments, but would anyone like to recap prior instances of this.  </p>
<p>I remember, John Bloom at the hold Dallas Times Herald and his work in “We are the Weird”.  I thought John was a great columnist, and a nice enough guy the few times we met, but he was out the door within days of that “satire”</p>
<p>Someone more savvy than I will have to find a link to the original, or maybe it has been wiped clean off the world wide interwebs.</p>
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		<title>By: Rana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair point, Nancy.  fwiw, I do think that intent is important - that&#039;s why I make a distinction between being &quot;racist&quot; (influenced by race-based prejudice, usually cultural and institutional, often unknowingly) and being &quot;a racist&quot; (being aware of that prejudice and not wanting to do anything about it).  

I&#039;m not very fond of &quot;language policing&quot; - but, at the same time, I think it&#039;s a useful exercise when not taken to ridiculous extremes.  It helps to raise awareness of the way that subtle, small things contribute to a larger overall trend, and the ways that we can unknowingly reinforce attitudes and beliefs that we&#039;d otherwise condemn.

In other words, for me this is less about playing gotcha games with others, and more about self-awareness and learning sensitivity to context.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair point, Nancy.  fwiw, I do think that intent is important — that’s why I make a distinction between being “racist” (influenced by race-based prejudice, usually cultural and institutional, often unknowingly) and being “a racist” (being aware of that prejudice and not wanting to do anything about it).  </p>
<p>I’m not very fond of “language policing” — but, at the same time, I think it’s a useful exercise when not taken to ridiculous extremes.  It helps to raise awareness of the way that subtle, small things contribute to a larger overall trend, and the ways that we can unknowingly reinforce attitudes and beliefs that we’d otherwise condemn.</p>
<p>In other words, for me this is less about playing gotcha games with others, and more about self-awareness and learning sensitivity to context.</p>
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