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		<title>By: Ricardo</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2008/11/17/with-candles/#comment-226119</link>
		<dc:creator>Ricardo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 04:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If there is any consolation, imported autos are piled up sitting at the docks in Los Angeles.  Detroit pulled out of the great depression, but it left a lot of scars on the landscape.  The Ford history book that was made into a PBS movie had a lot to say about the Guardian collapse.  At that point, Detroit was on its way to surpass Chicago as the second city.  Then after, all was left was an unfinished city.  You can still drive around and see where the nice buildings ended.  It is a little harder to see, because of the other decay, but it is there.  Edsel Ford lost everything and had to face Henry who warned him about New York bankers.  He gave Edsel a million in cash and told him to ditch his NY friends.  The old coot probably had it in a mattress over at Fairlane.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If there is any consolation, imported autos are piled up sitting at the docks in Los Angeles.  Detroit pulled out of the great depression, but it left a lot of scars on the landscape.  The Ford history book that was made into a PBS movie had a lot to say about the Guardian collapse.  At that point, Detroit was on its way to surpass Chicago as the second city.  Then after, all was left was an unfinished city.  You can still drive around and see where the nice buildings ended.  It is a little harder to see, because of the other decay, but it is there.  Edsel Ford lost everything and had to face Henry who warned him about New York bankers.  He gave Edsel a million in cash and told him to ditch his NY friends.  The old coot probably had it in a mattress over at Fairlane.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2008/11/17/with-candles/#comment-225299</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 02:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian, I should never have stopped reading fivethirtyeight after the election--that interview was priceless.  Reminded me of the interview in this Sunday&#039;s NYTimes with Karl Rove.  When they are cornered--or not on top of the world--both are no-class, snippy ***holes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian, I should never have stopped reading fivethirtyeight after the election&#8211;that interview was priceless.  Reminded me of the interview in this Sunday&#8217;s NYTimes with Karl Rove.  When they are cornered&#8211;or not on top of the world&#8211;both are no-class, snippy ***holes.</p>
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		<title>By: brian stouder</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2008/11/17/with-candles/#comment-225145</link>
		<dc:creator>brian stouder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of &quot;no shame&quot;, check out Nate Silver&#039;s blog; he goes after an egregious example of what happens when you mix whiney-righty sour grapes, with a huckster&#039;s desire to separate rubes from their cash, AND give chest-thumping partisans like Sean Hannity some racist talking points, wrapped up as shiney baubles (poll results, doncha know)

Nate Silver became and remains one of my favorite stops on the internet, for just this sort of &#039;answer-back&#039; material 

www.fivethirtyeight.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of &#8220;no shame&#8221;, check out Nate Silver&#8217;s blog; he goes after an egregious example of what happens when you mix whiney-righty sour grapes, with a huckster&#8217;s desire to separate rubes from their cash, AND give chest-thumping partisans like Sean Hannity some racist talking points, wrapped up as shiney baubles (poll results, doncha know)</p>
<p>Nate Silver became and remains one of my favorite stops on the internet, for just this sort of &#8216;answer-back&#8217; material </p>
<p><a href="http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: caliban</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2008/11/17/with-candles/#comment-225127</link>
		<dc:creator>caliban</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fox calls &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/17/AR2008111703787.html?wpisrc=newsletter&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;henhouse&lt;/a&gt; black. Man bites dog? Mixed metaphor? Take that bull by the horns and run with it. Biggest crooks in history.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/17/AR2008111703537.html?wpisrc=newsletter&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;No shame.&lt;/a&gt; These assholes will try this with Blackwater before all is said and done. Little Miss Runamuck must get a shiver up her thigh when embedment is the story of the day.

You know, the misadministration  screwed up badly on embedding exceptionally foul environmental regulations. Thought they were clever. Like they japped on the NAFTA side agreements and home heating fuel to Korea.  Clever frat boys.

It&#039;s contagious. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/18/world/middleeast/18maliki.html?_r=1&amp;ref=todayspaper&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;crooks&lt;/a&gt;.

Nudist Colony of the Dead is on Hawkeye&#039;s to do list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fox calls <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/17/AR2008111703787.html?wpisrc=newsletter" rel="nofollow">henhouse</a> black. Man bites dog? Mixed metaphor? Take that bull by the horns and run with it. Biggest crooks in history.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/17/AR2008111703537.html?wpisrc=newsletter" rel="nofollow">No shame.</a> These assholes will try this with Blackwater before all is said and done. Little Miss Runamuck must get a shiver up her thigh when embedment is the story of the day.</p>
<p>You know, the misadministration  screwed up badly on embedding exceptionally foul environmental regulations. Thought they were clever. Like they japped on the NAFTA side agreements and home heating fuel to Korea.  Clever frat boys.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s contagious. <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/18/world/middleeast/18maliki.html?_r=1&amp;ref=todayspaper" rel="nofollow">crooks</a>.</p>
<p>Nudist Colony of the Dead is on Hawkeye&#8217;s to do list.</p>
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		<title>By: moe99</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2008/11/17/with-candles/#comment-225120</link>
		<dc:creator>moe99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nancy, here&#039;s a must see zombie movie: &lt;i&gt; Nudist Colony of the Dead &lt;/i&gt;

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0102564/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nancy, here&#8217;s a must see zombie movie: <i> Nudist Colony of the Dead </i></p>
<p><a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0102564/" rel="nofollow">http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0102564/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jolene</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2008/11/17/with-candles/#comment-225071</link>
		<dc:creator>Jolene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 06:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dexter, if all of our kids had 12 or 13 years of education, we could count ourselves well off.  Detroit has &lt;a&gt;a 75% high school dropout rate&lt;/a&gt;.  Nationally, the numbers are around 50% for African American and Hispanic kids and about 30% overall.  It&#039;s an awful, awful situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dexter, if all of our kids had 12 or 13 years of education, we could count ourselves well off.  Detroit has <a>a 75% high school dropout rate</a>.  Nationally, the numbers are around 50% for African American and Hispanic kids and about 30% overall.  It&#8217;s an awful, awful situation.</p>
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		<title>By: Dexter</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2008/11/17/with-candles/#comment-225069</link>
		<dc:creator>Dexter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 06:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harl disappeared months ago and never re-surfaced here.

After WWII my dad and uncles were part of the wave of returning soldiers.  Dad and one uncle went to different schools in Chicago, Dad to be a salesman and my uncle to be a machinist.  
When I was a boy in the 1950&#039;s the best paying jobs were Warner Gear in Auburn and &quot;The Harvester&quot; .  Lots of men from DeKalb and Steuben county drove to IH every day.  Others hired in at Warner Gear.    Generations of men and later women made careers out of those jobs.  
If your dad worked at Harvester or Warner Gear you lived in  a new stick-built home and you rode in a new car.  Women encouraged (maybe even nagged a bit) husbands who did not work there to get an application.
I lived north of Garrett a few miles and I knew kids whose dads worked at places in FWA like Mohawk Motors, Falstaff, Zollner Piston,and in DeKalb County, Auburn Clutch (later Dana , later Eaton) , but it seems those dads were always getting laid off.  
Harvester dads and Warner Gear dads did too, but it seemed they usually got called back.
By the time I came of age, instead of being on the cusp of a new era, I was consigned to sort of mop up .  I was one of the last draftees before the draft lottery started.  After Vietnam I hired into one of those UAW factories and made it to retirement just before the whole damn place went to hell.
My wife and I were able to guide and help all three daughters through college, and they now all have good jobs.
I guess it all works out.
After the army I attended college for a while but ran out of cash and simply went to work full time, and eventually retired.
What do kids with just 12 or 13 years of education do for a career these days?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harl disappeared months ago and never re-surfaced here.</p>
<p>After WWII my dad and uncles were part of the wave of returning soldiers.  Dad and one uncle went to different schools in Chicago, Dad to be a salesman and my uncle to be a machinist.<br />
When I was a boy in the 1950&#8242;s the best paying jobs were Warner Gear in Auburn and &#8220;The Harvester&#8221; .  Lots of men from DeKalb and Steuben county drove to IH every day.  Others hired in at Warner Gear.    Generations of men and later women made careers out of those jobs.<br />
If your dad worked at Harvester or Warner Gear you lived in  a new stick-built home and you rode in a new car.  Women encouraged (maybe even nagged a bit) husbands who did not work there to get an application.<br />
I lived north of Garrett a few miles and I knew kids whose dads worked at places in FWA like Mohawk Motors, Falstaff, Zollner Piston,and in DeKalb County, Auburn Clutch (later Dana , later Eaton) , but it seems those dads were always getting laid off.<br />
Harvester dads and Warner Gear dads did too, but it seemed they usually got called back.<br />
By the time I came of age, instead of being on the cusp of a new era, I was consigned to sort of mop up .  I was one of the last draftees before the draft lottery started.  After Vietnam I hired into one of those UAW factories and made it to retirement just before the whole damn place went to hell.<br />
My wife and I were able to guide and help all three daughters through college, and they now all have good jobs.<br />
I guess it all works out.<br />
After the army I attended college for a while but ran out of cash and simply went to work full time, and eventually retired.<br />
What do kids with just 12 or 13 years of education do for a career these days?</p>
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		<title>By: Suzi</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2008/11/17/with-candles/#comment-225066</link>
		<dc:creator>Suzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 03:20:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding IH, the company did not go under. Navistar still has a healthy presence in FW -- about 1200 employees, mostly UAW  engineers who work in product development.  That&#039;s about the same number of employees at the local Raytheon (formerly Magnavox) and ITT engineering facilities. In fact, the local Nav facility is in hiring mode and employing a lot of contract engineers who are commuting weekly from the Motor City. The company is supplying the US military with lots of vehicles as it did during WWII. Can you say MRAP? (Mine Resistant Ambush Protected v-shaped hull vehicle that is saving lives on the battlefield). Tho the plant in FW that once employed several thousand is no more, Navistar does still employee thousands of assemblers in the US, Canada and Mexico.  I&#039;m having a deja vu of bloggage with Harl Delos . . . whatever happened to that guy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding IH, the company did not go under. Navistar still has a healthy presence in FW &#8212; about 1200 employees, mostly UAW  engineers who work in product development.  That&#8217;s about the same number of employees at the local Raytheon (formerly Magnavox) and ITT engineering facilities. In fact, the local Nav facility is in hiring mode and employing a lot of contract engineers who are commuting weekly from the Motor City. The company is supplying the US military with lots of vehicles as it did during WWII. Can you say MRAP? (Mine Resistant Ambush Protected v-shaped hull vehicle that is saving lives on the battlefield). Tho the plant in FW that once employed several thousand is no more, Navistar does still employee thousands of assemblers in the US, Canada and Mexico.  I&#8217;m having a deja vu of bloggage with Harl Delos . . . whatever happened to that guy?</p>
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		<title>By: LA Mary</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2008/11/17/with-candles/#comment-224999</link>
		<dc:creator>LA Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 01:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t wish unemployment on all the auto workers and all the other businesses that connect to them in any way, but I do wish evil on the jerks who decided to make Hummers for passenger car use. And Escalades, and Expedition/Excursions and all the passenger vehicles that excede the weight limit for local streets but drive on them anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t wish unemployment on all the auto workers and all the other businesses that connect to them in any way, but I do wish evil on the jerks who decided to make Hummers for passenger car use. And Escalades, and Expedition/Excursions and all the passenger vehicles that excede the weight limit for local streets but drive on them anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: paddyo'</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2008/11/17/with-candles/#comment-224945</link>
		<dc:creator>paddyo'</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 23:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hear, hear to the calls for public works programs to help us climb out of this economic crevass. Anybody looked around at the sorry state of our national infrastructure lately?

Otherwise we&#039;ll wait around for the next Twin Cities bridge, or New Orleans levees, or deteriorating interstates, or broken-down water and sewage systems . . . the list is as long as an interstate. (BTW, remember when driving on an interstate highway/freeway -- well, OK, SOME interstates -- was smooth as glass?)

The CCC built a lot of the buildings and facilities that put the still-young National Park Service (full disclosure: after three-plus decades as an ink-stained wretch, I work for that agency now) on the map as the keeper of our national scenic and historical treasures. Think what a 21st-century CCC-style effort could do for the economy AND the national infrastructure . . . especially if we weren&#039;t spending those daily billions in Iraq.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hear, hear to the calls for public works programs to help us climb out of this economic crevass. Anybody looked around at the sorry state of our national infrastructure lately?</p>
<p>Otherwise we&#8217;ll wait around for the next Twin Cities bridge, or New Orleans levees, or deteriorating interstates, or broken-down water and sewage systems . . . the list is as long as an interstate. (BTW, remember when driving on an interstate highway/freeway &#8212; well, OK, SOME interstates &#8212; was smooth as glass?)</p>
<p>The CCC built a lot of the buildings and facilities that put the still-young National Park Service (full disclosure: after three-plus decades as an ink-stained wretch, I work for that agency now) on the map as the keeper of our national scenic and historical treasures. Think what a 21st-century CCC-style effort could do for the economy AND the national infrastructure . . . especially if we weren&#8217;t spending those daily billions in Iraq.</p>
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