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Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on November 22, 2008 at 11:14 am
And where was Sarah Palin standing when Babe got whacked?
In memoriam — JFK, C.S. Lewis, and Aldous Huxley, all today in ’63. That had to be quite a day to be on duty at the intake lounge in the Empyrean.
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Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on November 22, 2008 at 12:34 pm
Um, if you’re actually on the internet after 12 noon on Saturday, you may not be . . . ok, i’m not watching the Ohio State-Michigan game, and neither are you, probably.
But the Purdue-IU game is on ESPN2, and my Boilermakers are *hammering* the Hoosiers. Just had to share that!
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Danny said on November 22, 2008 at 12:47 pm
A young Purdue alum at work had this to say about IU:
“Go south until you smell it and west until you step in it.”
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Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on November 22, 2008 at 1:28 pm
Purdue 41, Indiana 3, and there’s still 1 minute left in the second quarter. Ahhhhh…..
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Julie Robinson said on November 22, 2008 at 2:31 pm
Moo, moo, Purdue…
Anyone who attends IU is far too bright to need their ego stroked by the the results of a football game. And this year they will also need to be too bright to care about basketball.
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Dexter said on November 22, 2008 at 2:49 pm
“my” Wolverines fought valiantly until the third quarter…oh well…I adopted the Wolverines as a sports interest many years ago…this season hurts.
Oh well…we still have Zingerman’s Deli and we’re heading there next Saturday….
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Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on November 22, 2008 at 3:25 pm
On this Saturday of slaughter (RIP Michigan, Indiana, and Gooooo Michigan State!), i’m intrigued and in agreement with this tidy analysis — http://open.salon.com/content.php?cid=47485
I don’t believe i’ve ever rooted for the Spartans before, even against the Persians (didn’t watch “300”). Hope i get it right.
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brian stouder said on November 22, 2008 at 3:37 pm
I s’pose when head is just $7, we’re talkin’ about a hog…
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Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on November 22, 2008 at 5:21 pm
Mmmmm — Souse!
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Julie Robinson said on November 22, 2008 at 5:44 pm
Jeff, we can agree on rooting for MSU; my sister’s beloved alma mater. Since our high school was also the Spartans, it was very convenient for her. But right now it’s not looking good.
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Danny said on November 22, 2008 at 7:25 pm
Hilarious, Brian!
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Linda said on November 22, 2008 at 9:16 pm
Jeff, my father loved souse, and his aunts used to make it for him. When I was growing up on the east side, every self-respecting butcher shop in Poletown had various parts of unvarnished pig pieces for sale. Dad was also partial to hocks, cooked with saurkraut.
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Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on November 22, 2008 at 10:29 pm
Re: souse, from the Hoosier Poet his own self —
“O, it sets my hart a-clickin’ like the tickin’ of a clock,
When the frost is on the punkin and the fodder’s in the shock.
Then your apples all is gethered, and the ones a feller keeps
Is poured around the cellar-floor in red and yaller heaps;
And your cider-makin’s over, and your wimmern-folks is through
With theyr mince and apple-butter, and theyr souse and sausage too!…
I don’t know how to tell it—but ef such a thing could be
As the angels wantin’ boardin’, and they’d call around on me—
I’d want to ‘commodate ’em—all the whole-indurin’ flock—
When the frost is on the punkin and the fodder’s in the shock.”
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caliban said on November 22, 2008 at 10:40 pm
And the internettati bu;;shit goes on. I think if he’d this place, somebody would have talked the kid down. What is wrong with people?
Who’s a better singer than Axl Rose? Burtom Cummings,,Bavid Gates, Sammy fucking Hagar, and that boy sucks. Noddy Holder.
Every one of whom would have talked that kid out of killing himself. People urged him to do it, and didn’t call the cops? That’s monstrous, criminal. People are supposed to look after one another. It might be some Catholic idea of Commonweal, but the island’s small, and nobody should go gently.
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caliban said on November 22, 2008 at 11:05 pm
Be not afeard: the isle is full of noises,
Sounds and sweet airs that give delight, and hurt not.
Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
Will hum about mine ears; and sometime voices,
That, if I then had wak’d after long sleep,
Will make me sleep again; and then, in dreaming,
The clouds methought would open and show riches
Ready to drop upon me, that, when I wak’d,
I cried to dream again.
That man knew what he was talking about. That kid, he’s on all our own heads.
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Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on November 22, 2008 at 11:33 pm
Oh, oh, oh — i am laughing and crying simultaneously while watching the SNL opener.
(Reinforced by the NYT’s cheery take on Michigan — http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/23/us/23michigan.html )
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Dexter said on November 22, 2008 at 11:37 pm
My brother and cousins made us a Ball State family…brother and 3 cousins went there, other cousin to Huntington College…but none of them follow the great 2008 season the Cardinals are having with the pigskin on the gridiron.
I went to IUFW for a short while but never the Bloomington campus except to party at concerts and games, and when I moved here to the extreme NW corner of Ohio I became a hardcore M sports fan. I miss going to the games but I will always have my engraved brick amongst the others in the plaza by gate 31 at M Stadium. It has been a long football season, we have two new QBs coming in January…it’s a new dawn for M football. And of course the men’s BB team whupped UCLA Thursday night in MSG. (They lost Friday to the Dukies)
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basset said on November 22, 2008 at 11:47 pm
now that, Jeff, was a good pick… our state poet laureate down here in Tennessee is someone named “Pek” Gunn whose folders, brochures, whatever you call ’em but they ain’t quite books, are sold in Cracker Barrel. he ain’t a patch on James Whitcomb Riley.
full text of that Hoosier classic is at http://www.poetry-archive.com/r/when_the_frost_is_on_the_punkin.html
Burton Cummings… saw him in Terre Haute on the original Guess Who’s last tour in August 74 and he was one of the most intoxicated individuals I have ever seen in public, on or off stage. outstanding show, though, and I still have pictures of it around here somewhere.
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brian stouder said on November 22, 2008 at 11:53 pm
Say – the Laura Lippman audio interview link is up, and is quite interesting.
The interviewer is no great shakes – but in very short order you get past that. Her remarks about writing and time management and her internet presence and blog-fans is surprisingly enthralling….including about a troubling, unkind e-mail she got this past summer (about 35 minutes in) attacking one of her books….and LL for some reason responded to her, and got a horrible rant back from her!…which bothered LL.
Quite interesting, in general
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Jolene said on November 23, 2008 at 6:42 am
Hey, Brian, check out what our friend, Nate Silver, is up to now!
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brian stouder said on November 23, 2008 at 10:29 am
Jolene – thanks for the heads-up! I hadn’t seen that marvelous story about Nate Silver’s book deal; but this weekend I had been gobbling up the latest twists and turns in Nate’s successful showdown with the minions of Lord Valdimort…err…John Zigler/John Zogby (and their team of ‘look at this!’ quidditch bitches, giving free air support from their broom-sticks in the hate radio-airwaves)
Nate Silver, who strikes me as a sort of hybrid Harry Potter/Walter Cronkite, brings a genuine credibility and sensibility to the seemingly endless (and endlessly contradictory) storm of polls and surveys that we (the public) get hit with during national election cycles.
Leaving that aside, the names in this sentence from your article about Silver’s book deal struck me as amusing –
Penguin Group’s corporate publicists Marilyn Ducksworth and Dave Zimmer did not immediately respond to requests for more details
I, for one, will snap up Nate’s book(s), like a penguin who sees a fish (or a duck who spots fish eggs)
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basset said on November 23, 2008 at 10:36 am
meanwhile… looks like the puppies are all finding different boxes:
http://www.upi.com/Odd_News/2008/11/23/Internet_star_puppies_moving_on/UPI-18731227423394/
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Jolene said on November 23, 2008 at 11:03 am
Very cute, Brian. I appreciated the rundown on the Ziegler/Zogby dust-up too. The WSJ article that Nate linked to was really important. As always, the devil is in the details when it comes to collecting and analyzing data. It’s great to have someone like Nate who will press on findings that are presented as facts, so as to make it clear how those “findings” came to me.
In the meantime, I’m enjoying watching Joe Lieberman squirm as he tries to justify his recent behavior to Tom Brokaw on Meet the Press.
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brian stouder said on November 23, 2008 at 2:37 pm
If a picture is worth 1,000 words – take a look at one that might be worth a 50% share of $3,750,000,000
http://www.news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7740348.stm
and that’s the long and the short of it, eh?
(Just gotta love F1)
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Danny said on November 23, 2008 at 3:20 pm
Maybe I missed something, but my quick read of the Silver/Zeigler thing was:
1. Zeigler contracted Zogby for a poll that indicates voters may not have been informed about issues and that this is to be used in a “documentary” critical of the media’s election coverage. Specifically, as being too favorable towards Obama.
2. The poll only sampled Obama voters, but was valid according to Zogby though not what he considered his “finest moment” .. he was on vacation, dog ate his homework, etc.
3. Silver, who has been making a lot hay (which he is turning into dough, lots of it, very quickly) in the recent election cycle, called out Zeigler.
On the first point, it is very arguable that the media was mostly in the tank for Obama and will continue to be so for a while. Howie Kurtz thinks so. SNL thinks so. Hillary thought so too. I’ve already heard media folks invoking Camelot, New Deal and Abe Lincoln in ejaculatory fashion. So, whatever…
On the second point, Zeigler claims he did this to reduce cost, halving the poll sample, and to support the documentary “thesis,” as it were. It sounds to me like this will be a mockumentary, but I don’t know much about Zeigler and it seems he has long ways to go before he reaches Michael Moore’s status (Disclaimer: I do not totally discount Moore’s contributions, I’m just saying he has a reputation). And voter’s on either side are always accused of being ignorant, dumb and worse by the other side. Big deal.
So, what was Silver’s interest? Are you guys making the claim that his attempt to discredit Zeigler’s poll was purely a vanilla, unbiased, noble intellectual pursuit of accuracy in polls or something like that? I mean, the guy’s getting ready to cash in on his new Oracle status in a big way so money may be a factor too, right? And who knows what political allegiances he has. Either way, who cares. Silver’s interesting and will at least get 15 minutes every election cycle or so. Maybe more if he plays his cards right. Good for him.
Anyway, as I said, maybe I’m missing something, but it seems to me like there is little to see here.
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Jolene said on November 23, 2008 at 3:39 pm
Silver is a partisan, Danny, but I don’t think his interest in Obama had anything to do w/ the possibility of financial returns. As far as I know, those possibilities only arose after the election.
You really should look at Carl Bialik’s WSJ article. He doesn’t entirely accept Silver’s analysis of what Ziegler/Zogby did, but I’d say this poll was pretty bad—not remotely what you’d do if you really wanted to find out what people knew about the candidate they favored.
That said, I wouldn’t claim that most voters have detailed knowledge of their candidate’s policy positions, but we don’t know whether that deficit occurs on one side more than the others. Claiming that it does is Ziegler’s clear intent, and he doesn’t have the data to support that claim.
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coozledad said on November 23, 2008 at 3:48 pm
Best lede EVAR: Astronauts try to work out kinks in urine machine (AP). !!!
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Dexter said on November 23, 2008 at 4:33 pm
Rome has forgiven John.
Let it be: Vatican forgives Beatles for Lennon’s ‘more popular than Jesus’ claim
By London Daily Mail Foreign Service
22nd November 2008
The Beatles have finally been forgiven by the Vatican for suggesting they were more popular than Jesus.
John Lennon’s infamous claim in March 1966 that the Fab Four surpassed Christ in the popularity stakes caused an uproar at the time, with some conservative Christians burning Beatles albums. The band also received death threats.
But today the Vatican’s official newspaper L’Osservatore Romano, which reflects opinion at the very top of the Roman Catholic Church, marks the 40th anniversary of the ‘White Album’ by dismissing as a ‘quip’ Lennon’s remark – and it goes on to pour praise on the band.
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brian stouder said on November 23, 2008 at 6:27 pm
Danny – I would agree with you, except that this bogus “poll of Obama voters” is being used to push the idea that a “bunch of monkeys” (John “I am not a racist” Ziegler uses exactly that comparison) would have scored as well as the average Obama voters did, on this test of “knowledge”. Our local talk-radio lip-flapper now claims (daily) that Obama’s electoral win is tainted, since the idiots who voted for him had no idea what they were REALLY getting – and he attributes this belief using the phrase “according to a recent poll”
Will this keep me awake nights? No.
But consider this mission statement from Zogby:
Zogby International is constantly searching, testing and measuring hypotheses and principles on polling and public opinion research. Working with a panel of psychologists, sociologists, computer experts, linguists, political scientists, economists,and mathematicians, we explore every nuance in language and test new methods in public opinion research. It is this investment in time and money for research and development that makes us a leader in the public opinion field.
And consider that ONE of the “new test methods” these scientifically, sociologically and psychologically attuned mathematicians used was – asking a question with 4 possible answers, and with NO correct answer available!!! (the question was – which candidate said they could see Russia from their house; and of course NONE of them did; Tina Fey said that.)
My question is – if you told the pollster – “I cannot and will not answer that question, because none of the choices you are offering me are correct”, what would have happened?
Would they have simply pitched you out of the phone interview? Would they have insisted that you pick one? And – if you picked the least-incorrect answer (Palin – who DID say you could see Russia from her state), then you have supplied more proof that Obama voters were no more intelligent than monkeys?
John Zogby sold his credibility to a hack, and now Zogby is in full ass-covering mode. Zieglar got what he wanted, and – for the rest of our lives – we will hear no end of the baseless accusation (amongst a zillion others) that Obama voters were mostly idiots “according to a poll”
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moe99 said on November 23, 2008 at 7:02 pm
Thank you, Brian. Nicely done.
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Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on November 23, 2008 at 10:14 pm
Who is this Ziegler? Seriously, i don’t have a clue.
Just left a wonderful community Thanksgiving service where we had a great offering to keep our local assistance program operating another month — which would be great if i had any idea what to do with January.
But between directly providing medical missions to Haiti and an orphanage school in Mexico and keeping a transitional housing program going here locally, this town really ought to have a blessed Thanksgiving.* If i don’t get online the next few days, y’all have a wonderful time with family and friends (as long as you’ve done something to make sure people in your neck of the woods are fed and housed).
May your harvest be filled with unexpected, unearned returns that you take the opportunity to share with someone else.
It’s all grace. (h/t Raymond Carver, “Gravy”)
*The village precincts were the only ones in the county to go for Obama!
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brian stouder said on November 23, 2008 at 10:34 pm
Jeff, see
http://howobamagotelected.com/
and/or
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/11/interview-with-john-ziegler-on-zogby.html
and/or the Wall Street Journal article Jolene linked above, and you will have your answer.
Other than that – happy Thanksgiving to you and yours, too, Jeff.
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Hoosier said on November 23, 2008 at 10:44 pm
Do you know why all the trees in Bloomington lean to the Northwest? ‘Cause Purdue sucks.
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Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on November 24, 2008 at 7:59 am
Oh.
I believe you all are looking for the phrase “sore loser.” Onwards with souce, sauce, and stuffing recipes!
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John said on November 24, 2008 at 8:40 am
Damn Brian! That is one funny interview!
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Dorothy said on November 24, 2008 at 9:07 am
I’m late to the party but I can’t resist….
WE ARE ……. PENN STATE!!! Whoooo hoooooo!!
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brian stouder said on November 24, 2008 at 9:16 am
Dorothy – I hardly know anything at all about college football, but I DO recognize Joe Paterno when I see him, and I was tuning past espn this past weekend, and saw him holding forth in the post-game interview, and stopped to watch.
He is very impressive, very business-like, and he might have been the equipment manager or the bus driver, for all anyone would know (no ostentation at all)
That guy is the real deal
John – yes! The farcical nature of the whole thing is personified by Zieglar, in that interview
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Dorothy said on November 24, 2008 at 9:47 am
Brian my daughter Laura is a 2005 PSU graduate. She said Joe shovels his own snow and cuts his own grass at his modest home near the campus. You’re right in the impressions you have of him. He’s very down to earth. But all that aside, it still doesn’t stop my husband and son from teasing Laura about how old JoePa is and cracking endless jokes about them needing to keep a defibrillator behind him at all times on the field, etc. That sort of thing. He’s 81 years old for crying out loud!!
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