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		<title>By: MichaelG</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2009/01/14/the-roman-way/comment-page-1/#comment-236523</link>
		<dc:creator>MichaelG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 14:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A while back there was talk among the Rs about killing the citizenship requirement so Arnold could run for POTUS.  Haven&#039;t heard any of that stuff lately.  He&#039;s hiding from lynch mobs now.  At least in this town.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A while back there was talk among the Rs about killing the citizenship requirement so Arnold could run for POTUS.  Haven’t heard any of that stuff lately.  He’s hiding from lynch mobs now.  At least in this town.</p>
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		<title>By: coozledad</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2009/01/14/the-roman-way/comment-page-1/#comment-236397</link>
		<dc:creator>coozledad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paglia always seems to find someone who is similarly desexed to puff up into an avatar of whatever the fuck it is she feels like going on about at the moment. First, there was Madonna, who apparently was told by her handlers that she&#039;d have to put in sixteen hour days to convince the world she had a twat.  Madonna&#039;s high school acting skills were apparently enough to convince Paglia she was the second coming.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmvHuH3r7ok

Sarah&#039;s just another coatrack on whom Paglia can hang her master&#039;s thesis &quot;The sublimation of intercourse into the oblique harangue&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paglia always seems to find someone who is similarly desexed to puff up into an avatar of whatever the fuck it is she feels like going on about at the moment. First, there was Madonna, who apparently was told by her handlers that she’d have to put in sixteen hour days to convince the world she had a twat.  Madonna’s high school acting skills were apparently enough to convince Paglia she was the second coming.<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmvHuH3r7ok" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmvHuH3r7ok</a></p>
<p>Sarah’s just another coatrack on whom Paglia can hang her master’s thesis “The sublimation of intercourse into the oblique harangue”.</p>
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		<title>By: nancy</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2009/01/14/the-roman-way/comment-page-1/#comment-236396</link>
		<dc:creator>nancy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d say my problems with Jenny come down to sheer ineffectiveness. A lot of what&#039;s wrong with MIchigan -- most of it -- is out of her control, but events in Lansing aren&#039;t, and I haven&#039;t seen her do much other than look good on TV. The state budget shortfalls are cartoonishly large, and she can&#039;t seem to guide the party in any direction other than &quot;let&#039;s increase taxes.&quot; I&#039;m not knee-jerk against tax increases, but at a time when the state is on life support and hemorrhaging population, it&#039;s not a helpful solution. Last year they finally amended a hated business tax and instituted a &quot;service tax&quot; which was even worse, because it was Swiss cheesey with holes depending on which industry had more effective lobbyists. (Skiing=taxed. Golf=not taxed.) It was repealed less than 24 hours after taking effect, and replaced with a surcharge on? Yes, the business tax. Where is leadership? On CNN, looking pretty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’d say my problems with Jenny come down to sheer ineffectiveness. A lot of what’s wrong with MIchigan — most of it — is out of her control, but events in Lansing aren’t, and I haven’t seen her do much other than look good on TV. The state budget shortfalls are cartoonishly large, and she can’t seem to guide the party in any direction other than “let’s increase taxes.” I’m not knee-jerk against tax increases, but at a time when the state is on life support and hemorrhaging population, it’s not a helpful solution. Last year they finally amended a hated business tax and instituted a “service tax” which was even worse, because it was Swiss cheesey with holes depending on which industry had more effective lobbyists. (Skiing=taxed. Golf=not taxed.) It was repealed less than 24 hours after taking effect, and replaced with a surcharge on? Yes, the business tax. Where is leadership? On CNN, looking pretty.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff (the mild-mannered one)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff (the mild-mannered one)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huh.  I&#039;ve heard pro-lifers pretty harshly condemn Granholm on abortion, but i really hadn&#039;t heard any other critiques about her work -- she&#039;s fairly well spoken of, and Ohio doesn&#039;t tend to say nice things about Michiganders, you may have heard.  What&#039;s she not doing well?

(And i promise that the moment Palin isn&#039;t whacked at as a pinata anymore, i have absolutely no interest in bringing her up.  She just keeps leading posts and comments here, i like to help maintain a 1 to 10 ratio for her at NN.C.  Should she have talked to John Whatsis with his &quot;Why Obama Won&quot; pseudo-film-docu-thing?  Probably not.)

But i am curious about Granholm.  CNN sure likes her, she&#039;s on every other day -- or is that the beef?  More national media time than work on the front lines of Michigan?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh.  I’ve heard pro-lifers pretty harshly condemn Granholm on abortion, but i really hadn’t heard any other critiques about her work — she’s fairly well spoken of, and Ohio doesn’t tend to say nice things about Michiganders, you may have heard.  What’s she not doing well?</p>
<p>(And i promise that the moment Palin isn’t whacked at as a pinata anymore, i have absolutely no interest in bringing her up.  She just keeps leading posts and comments here, i like to help maintain a 1 to 10 ratio for her at NN.C.  Should she have talked to John Whatsis with his “Why Obama Won” pseudo-film-docu-thing?  Probably not.)</p>
<p>But i am curious about Granholm.  CNN sure likes her, she’s on every other day — or is that the beef?  More national media time than work on the front lines of Michigan?</p>
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		<title>By: MichaelG</title>
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		<dc:creator>MichaelG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did two tours in Vietnam during the war and spent three very enjoyable weeks there in 2000.  It&#039;s a beautiful country populated by friendly, hard working people.  I love the place.  While in the army I passed through numerous airports and never got spit on, never had any conflicts with anybody.  I&#039;m inclined to believe that such incidents probably happened, but were rare and over reported.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did two tours in Vietnam during the war and spent three very enjoyable weeks there in 2000.  It’s a beautiful country populated by friendly, hard working people.  I love the place.  While in the army I passed through numerous airports and never got spit on, never had any conflicts with anybody.  I’m inclined to believe that such incidents probably happened, but were rare and over reported.</p>
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		<title>By: nancy</title>
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		<dc:creator>nancy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t vote for Jennifer Granholm for mayor of Grosse Pointe Woods. She&#039;s got a lot more working against her than her birthplace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn’t vote for Jennifer Granholm for mayor of Grosse Pointe Woods. She’s got a lot more working against her than her birthplace.</p>
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		<title>By: brian stouder</title>
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		<dc:creator>brian stouder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;along with neighbor Granholm up your way, even if neither runs for president.&lt;/i&gt;

Granholm really IS disqualified from being president for not being &#039;native born&#039;; but one wonders what mechanism would stop her if she said &quot;What the hell&quot; and ran for it anyway. (the airy dismissal of all the bogus claims against President-elect Obama&#039;s natural-born citizenship based on a &#039;lack of standing&#039; by the plaintiffs gave me pause. There is probably a compelling short story that could be written, with a Granholm/Schwarzenegger-like candidate making a run at the presidency. Who has legal standing to complain? What if that person won&#039;t?)

As for the superiority (or better qualifications) of governor to be president, an interesting point to ponder, indeed.

Recently on C-SPAN, a very entertaining hour and a half (or so) show with Fritz Hollings recently aired. I remembered him as a Central Casting-type southern senator (from SC), but he was also the governor of South Carolina before that.

He vigorously advanced the argument that no one should get to be a Senator before serving a term or two as a governor.

His point was that governors all have to live within a budget; they all have to make hard decisions and choices, and if the dollars run out, things get very much harder- and voters will give you hell! 

But Senators who have never had to deal with a state budget, on the other hand, reside in a fiscal lala land....it was an interesting thesis, buttressed with many coloful anecdotes </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>along with neighbor Granholm up your way, even if neither runs for president.</i></p>
<p>Granholm really IS disqualified from being president for not being ‘native born’; but one wonders what mechanism would stop her if she said “What the hell” and ran for it anyway. (the airy dismissal of all the bogus claims against President-elect Obama’s natural-born citizenship based on a ‘lack of standing’ by the plaintiffs gave me pause. There is probably a compelling short story that could be written, with a Granholm/Schwarzenegger-like candidate making a run at the presidency. Who has legal standing to complain? What if that person won’t?)</p>
<p>As for the superiority (or better qualifications) of governor to be president, an interesting point to ponder, indeed.</p>
<p>Recently on C-SPAN, a very entertaining hour and a half (or so) show with Fritz Hollings recently aired. I remembered him as a Central Casting-type southern senator (from SC), but he was also the governor of South Carolina before that.</p>
<p>He vigorously advanced the argument that no one should get to be a Senator before serving a term or two as a governor.</p>
<p>His point was that governors all have to live within a budget; they all have to make hard decisions and choices, and if the dollars run out, things get very much harder– and voters will give you hell! </p>
<p>But Senators who have never had to deal with a state budget, on the other hand, reside in a fiscal lala land.…it was an interesting thesis, buttressed with many coloful anecdotes</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff (the mild-mannered one)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff (the mild-mannered one)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, i could position myself as a preacher who rejects God, i could get a nationally read column gig?

No, that wouldn&#039;t work, because it&#039;s been done to death.  Maybe i could be a geek who despises geekdom, or a housing advocate who hates the homeless (i&#039;ll bet PajamasMedia would hire me for that gig!).

Truly, i was interested last spring in the kind of governor Palin represented, along with Jindal and Crist, although i can happily hear critiques of any of the three.  This last election, on both sides, was a self-reinforcing aberration of Senatorial Gravitas -- no matter how well President Obama does, i think his successors of whatever party are going to be state governors again, because governance choices are clearer and better measured out of that position than from the relatively negative stance of the Senate (not a slam, that&#039;s their Constitutional job, to mainly vote stuff down).

For &#039;08, the Senatorial snowball just built steam, and it was not a good time for Gov. Palin to stick her head up out of an Alaskan snowdrift.  We&#039;ll see if some of her choices as governor hold up in a tightening economy, ditto Jindal, or how they will shift to respond to them; here in Ohio, i think Ted Strickland (D) will be heard from on the national scene in a few years, but very dependent on whether his attempts to reform the education funding and tax structure work out, along with neighbor Granholm up your way, even if neither runs for president.

Plus, we have a huge unseen crisis in MR/DD issues &amp; funding nationwide, which autism is a tip o&#039; the iceberg angle only.  It&#039;s what&#039;s breaking school district budgets, and as we reform that side of the public funding equation, we&#039;re going to have to put back out on the middle of the table who/how/when kids with special needs are handled.  Palin, Strickland, and other governors are up to speed on that in a way few in Washington since Jim Jeffords even comprehend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, i could position myself as a preacher who rejects God, i could get a nationally read column gig?</p>
<p>No, that wouldn’t work, because it’s been done to death.  Maybe i could be a geek who despises geekdom, or a housing advocate who hates the homeless (i’ll bet PajamasMedia would hire me for that gig!).</p>
<p>Truly, i was interested last spring in the kind of governor Palin represented, along with Jindal and Crist, although i can happily hear critiques of any of the three.  This last election, on both sides, was a self-reinforcing aberration of Senatorial Gravitas — no matter how well President Obama does, i think his successors of whatever party are going to be state governors again, because governance choices are clearer and better measured out of that position than from the relatively negative stance of the Senate (not a slam, that’s their Constitutional job, to mainly vote stuff down).</p>
<p>For ’08, the Senatorial snowball just built steam, and it was not a good time for Gov. Palin to stick her head up out of an Alaskan snowdrift.  We’ll see if some of her choices as governor hold up in a tightening economy, ditto Jindal, or how they will shift to respond to them; here in Ohio, i think Ted Strickland (D) will be heard from on the national scene in a few years, but very dependent on whether his attempts to reform the education funding and tax structure work out, along with neighbor Granholm up your way, even if neither runs for president.</p>
<p>Plus, we have a huge unseen crisis in MR/DD issues &amp; funding nationwide, which autism is a tip o’ the iceberg angle only.  It’s what’s breaking school district budgets, and as we reform that side of the public funding equation, we’re going to have to put back out on the middle of the table who/how/when kids with special needs are handled.  Palin, Strickland, and other governors are up to speed on that in a way few in Washington since Jim Jeffords even comprehend.</p>
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		<title>By: nancy</title>
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		<dc:creator>nancy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 13:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Palia is &quot;interesting&quot; insofar as it&#039;s &quot;interesting&quot; that an academic with the attention span of a flea and the intellectual depth of a late-night channel surfer has somehow convinced a liberal website to carry her column. She&#039;s the Coulter of the academy, Jeff, and I&#039;m surprised you pay any attention to her.

A long time ago I realized there&#039;s always a buck to be made in &quot;contrarianism.&quot; Be a woman who denounces feminism, or a Democrat who rejects political correctness, or any X who might be expected to believe Y -- but doesn&#039;t! -- and just wait for your op-ed slot. Kathleen Parker built her early career on being the first kind (feminist who rejects feminism) and recently switched to the other kind (Republican who rejects Palin). SInce then, she can regularly be found in the Washington Post. It&#039;s like pulling a rabbit out of a hat, an act that never gets old.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Palia is “interesting” insofar as it’s “interesting” that an academic with the attention span of a flea and the intellectual depth of a late-night channel surfer has somehow convinced a liberal website to carry her column. She’s the Coulter of the academy, Jeff, and I’m surprised you pay any attention to her.</p>
<p>A long time ago I realized there’s always a buck to be made in “contrarianism.” Be a woman who denounces feminism, or a Democrat who rejects political correctness, or any X who might be expected to believe Y — but doesn’t! — and just wait for your op-ed slot. Kathleen Parker built her early career on being the first kind (feminist who rejects feminism) and recently switched to the other kind (Republican who rejects Palin). SInce then, she can regularly be found in the Washington Post. It’s like pulling a rabbit out of a hat, an act that never gets old.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff (the mild-mannered one)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff (the mild-mannered one)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 13:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.salon.com/opinion/paglia/2009/01/14/obama/index.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Camille Paglia in Salon.com on Sarah Palin --&lt;/a&gt;
&quot;Ideology-driven attacks on Palin became clotted liberal clichés within 24 hours of her introduction as John McCain&#039;s running mate. What a bunch of tittering lemmings the urban elite have become in this country. From Couric&#039;s vicious manipulations of video clips to Cavett&#039;s bourgeois platitudes, the preemptive strike on Palin as a potential presidential candidate has grossly misfired. Whatever legitimate objections may be raised to Palin on political grounds (explored, for example, by David Talbot in Salon) have been lost in the amoral overkill that has defamed a self-made woman of concrete achievement in the public realm.&quot;

Then she went on to say a bit more about Katie . . . which even i thought was a bit over the top, but she does represent an interesting pov.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.salon.com/opinion/paglia/2009/01/14/obama/index.html" rel="nofollow">Camille Paglia in Salon.com on Sarah Palin –</a><br />
“Ideology-driven attacks on Palin became clotted liberal clichés within 24 hours of her introduction as John McCain’s running mate. What a bunch of tittering lemmings the urban elite have become in this country. From Couric’s vicious manipulations of video clips to Cavett’s bourgeois platitudes, the preemptive strike on Palin as a potential presidential candidate has grossly misfired. Whatever legitimate objections may be raised to Palin on political grounds (explored, for example, by David Talbot in Salon) have been lost in the amoral overkill that has defamed a self-made woman of concrete achievement in the public realm.”</p>
<p>Then she went on to say a bit more about Katie … which even i thought was a bit over the top, but she does represent an interesting pov.</p>
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