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		<title>By: Jeff (the mild-mannered one)</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2009/03/27/apples-in-search-of-a-barrel/#comment-246149</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff (the mild-mannered one)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 11:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yoiks -- our proprietor and &lt;a href=&quot;http://lileks.com/bleat/?p=1748&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;James Lileks&lt;/a&gt; in general agreement!

The idea that many newspapers might successfully go with a Sunday only print product, and weekday online strikes me as one model that might have some prospects ahead of it. What&#039;s going to be challenging is the inevitable privatization of reporting itself with newsroom cuts -- it occurred to me reading an article about baseball coverage (whose provenience i&#039;ve now utterly misplaced) that in baseball towns without a vital newspaper staff, the team itself will necessarily end up assigning a staffer to &quot;follow the team&quot; and write material as a baseball writer once would have, to distribute to news outlets.

And then what? Should they use it? Will they? And then i tried to imagine what this model would look like in the pharmaceutical industry, or the military -- and remembered it&#039;s a phenomenon that&#039;s already been on the move for some time, esp. in the entertainment biz: PR departments create interviews and content of all different sorts, and try to &quot;place&quot; it. The ethical question is when or in what form it&#039;s right to use this kind of press release news article or puff piece profile, and that question is going to be forced over a barrel in the current environment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yoiks &#8212; our proprietor and <a href="http://lileks.com/bleat/?p=1748" rel="nofollow">James Lileks</a> in general agreement!</p>
<p>The idea that many newspapers might successfully go with a Sunday only print product, and weekday online strikes me as one model that might have some prospects ahead of it. What&#8217;s going to be challenging is the inevitable privatization of reporting itself with newsroom cuts &#8212; it occurred to me reading an article about baseball coverage (whose provenience i&#8217;ve now utterly misplaced) that in baseball towns without a vital newspaper staff, the team itself will necessarily end up assigning a staffer to &#8220;follow the team&#8221; and write material as a baseball writer once would have, to distribute to news outlets.</p>
<p>And then what? Should they use it? Will they? And then i tried to imagine what this model would look like in the pharmaceutical industry, or the military &#8212; and remembered it&#8217;s a phenomenon that&#8217;s already been on the move for some time, esp. in the entertainment biz: PR departments create interviews and content of all different sorts, and try to &#8220;place&#8221; it. The ethical question is when or in what form it&#8217;s right to use this kind of press release news article or puff piece profile, and that question is going to be forced over a barrel in the current environment.</p>
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		<title>By: Gasman</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2009/03/27/apples-in-search-of-a-barrel/#comment-246141</link>
		<dc:creator>Gasman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 04:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff (tmmo),
I&#039;ve seen Beck exactly once, on my last trip to Ft. Wayne watching cable at my mom&#039;s house.  That was when Beck was still on CNN and I couldn&#039;t believe that anybody could sit through that crap.  I lasted maybe 2 minutes.  He was so ridiculously histrionic and over the top that he kind seemed like some weird parody of conservative talk TV.  He is kind of like Rush Limbaugh and professional wrestling combined.

If you take Beck&#039;s quote from the article, “I’m a rodeo clown,” remove one word and add an ellipsis, &quot;I&#039;m a...clown,&quot; I would be in total agreement with him.  Actually, that kind of editing is par for the course at Fox, so it is entirely appropriate.

I think it is easy to read WAY too much into his numbers.  By his own admission, he is &quot;a rodeo clown.&quot;  His schtick is this bizarre, insane moron coming unglued before our very eyes.  It also appears to be a carefully crafted act.  It is hard to imagine him being able to grow or even retain those kind of numbers indefinitely.  His act would seem to have a kind of shelf life built in.  Just because people are watching doesn&#039;t mean that he is tapping into to anything.

The problem I have with this type of programming, is as conservatism gets more desperate and the histrionics get more over the top on Fox shows, inevitably there will be some instance of violence or attempted violence by the deranged kooks that believe it all.  We&#039;ve already seen James Adkisson express regret at not being able to kill the 100 people mentioned in Bernard Goldberg&#039;s book, so he sought out what he thought a suitable proxy in a children&#039;s pageant at a church.  Their only crime was that they were too liberal for his taste, and therefore, they deserved to die.

What responsibility does Fox have for scaring these well armed morons shitless?  How is this &quot;fair and balanced?&quot;  Since it is all about the money, maybe it will take a few lawsuits by survivors to exact financial retribution.  That would get their attention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff (tmmo),<br />
I&#8217;ve seen Beck exactly once, on my last trip to Ft. Wayne watching cable at my mom&#8217;s house.  That was when Beck was still on CNN and I couldn&#8217;t believe that anybody could sit through that crap.  I lasted maybe 2 minutes.  He was so ridiculously histrionic and over the top that he kind seemed like some weird parody of conservative talk TV.  He is kind of like Rush Limbaugh and professional wrestling combined.</p>
<p>If you take Beck&#8217;s quote from the article, “I’m a rodeo clown,” remove one word and add an ellipsis, &#8220;I&#8217;m a&#8230;clown,&#8221; I would be in total agreement with him.  Actually, that kind of editing is par for the course at Fox, so it is entirely appropriate.</p>
<p>I think it is easy to read WAY too much into his numbers.  By his own admission, he is &#8220;a rodeo clown.&#8221;  His schtick is this bizarre, insane moron coming unglued before our very eyes.  It also appears to be a carefully crafted act.  It is hard to imagine him being able to grow or even retain those kind of numbers indefinitely.  His act would seem to have a kind of shelf life built in.  Just because people are watching doesn&#8217;t mean that he is tapping into to anything.</p>
<p>The problem I have with this type of programming, is as conservatism gets more desperate and the histrionics get more over the top on Fox shows, inevitably there will be some instance of violence or attempted violence by the deranged kooks that believe it all.  We&#8217;ve already seen James Adkisson express regret at not being able to kill the 100 people mentioned in Bernard Goldberg&#8217;s book, so he sought out what he thought a suitable proxy in a children&#8217;s pageant at a church.  Their only crime was that they were too liberal for his taste, and therefore, they deserved to die.</p>
<p>What responsibility does Fox have for scaring these well armed morons shitless?  How is this &#8220;fair and balanced?&#8221;  Since it is all about the money, maybe it will take a few lawsuits by survivors to exact financial retribution.  That would get their attention.</p>
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		<title>By: brian stouder</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2009/03/27/apples-in-search-of-a-barrel/#comment-246126</link>
		<dc:creator>brian stouder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 03:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gotta agree with Dexter on that; looks more than a little odd (rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic, at best)

Speaking of cars, enjoyed the opening F1 race today, from Australia. Thank heavens (and Verizon/Direct TV) for tivo- it ran live between 2 and 4 in the morning.

The cars look bizarre this year, and KERS looks like a good way to electrocute a pit guy or emergency responder - but we shall see.

It WAS marvelous to see Ferrari and McLaren out of the picture, and scrappy little Brawn (ex-Honda) with customer Mercedes power dominate the weekend! 

Huzzah!

edit: I see that Nance has Life Sentneces on her night stand, which is a fine book. I finished it a few days ago, and then plunged into Jon Meacham&#039;s book about Andy Jackson - which is a great book so far. Ol&#039; Hickory wil (at the very least) be a palate cleanser before I proceed into Ms Lippman&#039;s What the Dead Know</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gotta agree with Dexter on that; looks more than a little odd (rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic, at best)</p>
<p>Speaking of cars, enjoyed the opening F1 race today, from Australia. Thank heavens (and Verizon/Direct TV) for tivo- it ran live between 2 and 4 in the morning.</p>
<p>The cars look bizarre this year, and KERS looks like a good way to electrocute a pit guy or emergency responder &#8211; but we shall see.</p>
<p>It WAS marvelous to see Ferrari and McLaren out of the picture, and scrappy little Brawn (ex-Honda) with customer Mercedes power dominate the weekend! </p>
<p>Huzzah!</p>
<p>edit: I see that Nance has Life Sentneces on her night stand, which is a fine book. I finished it a few days ago, and then plunged into Jon Meacham&#8217;s book about Andy Jackson &#8211; which is a great book so far. Ol&#8217; Hickory wil (at the very least) be a palate cleanser before I proceed into Ms Lippman&#8217;s What the Dead Know</p>
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		<title>By: Dexter</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2009/03/27/apples-in-search-of-a-barrel/#comment-246114</link>
		<dc:creator>Dexter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 03:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nothing shocks me anymore...but then again...
http://www.freep.com/article/20090329/OPINION01/90329052

So where was the intervention and forced management of AIG, as this link&#039;s story attests to?

I have never had anything good to say about GM management, but forcing Waggoner out ...what good will that do?  
Is this a trend?  All bailout recipients will be at the mercy of the US government , for the government to appoint leaders for them?  This is more of what we saw earlier when the auto industry took the brunt of the offensive against poor R.O.I. while the New York institutions were handled with kid gloves...more bullshit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing shocks me anymore&#8230;but then again&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://www.freep.com/article/20090329/OPINION01/90329052" rel="nofollow">http://www.freep.com/article/20090329/OPINION01/90329052</a></p>
<p>So where was the intervention and forced management of AIG, as this link&#8217;s story attests to?</p>
<p>I have never had anything good to say about GM management, but forcing Waggoner out &#8230;what good will that do?<br />
Is this a trend?  All bailout recipients will be at the mercy of the US government , for the government to appoint leaders for them?  This is more of what we saw earlier when the auto industry took the brunt of the offensive against poor R.O.I. while the New York institutions were handled with kid gloves&#8230;more bullshit.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff (the mild-mannered one)</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2009/03/27/apples-in-search-of-a-barrel/#comment-246110</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff (the mild-mannered one)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 02:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And Gasman will appreciate the last line of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/30/business/media/30beck.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this article&lt;/a&gt;.

Still wondering if anyone else finds &quot;Kings&quot; weirdly compelling, and i&#039;m feeling even more so after tonight&#039;s episode.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Gasman will appreciate the last line of <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/30/business/media/30beck.html" rel="nofollow">this article</a>.</p>
<p>Still wondering if anyone else finds &#8220;Kings&#8221; weirdly compelling, and i&#8217;m feeling even more so after tonight&#8217;s episode.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff (the mild-mannered one)</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2009/03/27/apples-in-search-of-a-barrel/#comment-246108</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff (the mild-mannered one)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 01:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hard to feel bad about this &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/30/business/30auto.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;casualty of the Detroit downturn&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hard to feel bad about this <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/30/business/30auto.html" rel="nofollow">casualty of the Detroit downturn</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Catherine</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2009/03/27/apples-in-search-of-a-barrel/#comment-246107</link>
		<dc:creator>Catherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 01:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My local PL used to have great list of little-known places to get married -- women&#039;s clubs for rent, that kind of thing.  I sent someone to the library for it recently, and they don&#039;t maintain it anymore.  This list was so useful to so many people, and no, you can&#039;t get it all from google.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My local PL used to have great list of little-known places to get married &#8212; women&#8217;s clubs for rent, that kind of thing.  I sent someone to the library for it recently, and they don&#8217;t maintain it anymore.  This list was so useful to so many people, and no, you can&#8217;t get it all from google.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 00:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Connie: Us, too, but some people upstairs. figured that &quot;nobody does that anymore, and we shouldn&#039;t, either.&quot;  You would be surprised how many &quot;nobodies&quot; do this, but I guess they don&#039;t count.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Connie: Us, too, but some people upstairs. figured that &#8220;nobody does that anymore, and we shouldn&#8217;t, either.&#8221;  You would be surprised how many &#8220;nobodies&#8221; do this, but I guess they don&#8217;t count.</p>
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		<title>By: Connie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Connie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 00:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Linda, my library has been created and updating such a list - searchable from our web page - for decades.  FWIW.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Linda, my library has been created and updating such a list &#8211; searchable from our web page &#8211; for decades.  FWIW.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 20:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Connie--sorry that my sarcasm/humor detector got busted.  What fries me is not that politicans and journalists think that &quot;everything is on the net,&quot; but many people running public libraries think it is, too, including some of my bosses.  Indeed, they &lt;b&gt;hope&lt;/b&gt; everything is, so they can just buy novels and databases, and slough off everything else onto Google.  I had a strenuous argument with an administrator at my library re: whether we needed a library-created listing of clubs and organizations, because, as she said, &quot;Doesn&#039;t Google do all that?&quot;  No, they don&#039;t.  Little organizations have no presence at all, or a puny one, and many are not searchable in a useful, orderly fashion.  Peeps, there&#039;s still a lot of work to be done.

//Officially off my soapbox now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Connie&#8211;sorry that my sarcasm/humor detector got busted.  What fries me is not that politicans and journalists think that &#8220;everything is on the net,&#8221; but many people running public libraries think it is, too, including some of my bosses.  Indeed, they <b>hope</b> everything is, so they can just buy novels and databases, and slough off everything else onto Google.  I had a strenuous argument with an administrator at my library re: whether we needed a library-created listing of clubs and organizations, because, as she said, &#8220;Doesn&#8217;t Google do all that?&#8221;  No, they don&#8217;t.  Little organizations have no presence at all, or a puny one, and many are not searchable in a useful, orderly fashion.  Peeps, there&#8217;s still a lot of work to be done.</p>
<p>//Officially off my soapbox now.</p>
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