just a bit more info to put up here on the true nature of the Chrysler hedge fund investors for future reference.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aowmZkX0TzEE&refer=home

Surprising , to me, is that the UAW will own 55% of Chrysler-Fiat USA when they emerge from bankruptcy in June.

I do not see the beauty of the piss bottles. They are just piss bottles, which litter the US highways, but not like they used to, around here anyway.
It never was all that bad here, but I have been places where piss bottles were all over the roadway-sides.

Most disgusting parking lot I have seen was the Motel 6 in Charleston, WV…from our car to the office my wife and I saw several used condoms just laying on the blacktop drive…we got there late, and the car-action was quite active …lots of occupied cars.
One family were utilizing a hillbilly hot-tub…they had commandeered a garden hose and were running water into the back of their pickup truck, and the whole family were sitting in the bed of the truck, getting sprayed . They must have had a liner because the water was overflowing the bed.

I remember when the fax machine was invented…Bob Greene wrote that it would change society in astounding ways.

In fact, in thinking about the plague of entitlement sensibility, epitomized in the Chrysler bondholders, it seems to me that it goes much further in current society and can be ascribed as the root cause of the evangelicals’ belief in the efficacy and legality of torture. This sense of entitlement can also be seen in the current Republicans’ self destruction. The world owes them a living, one that is living large.

Forget others’ rights, if it interferes with their god given right to make a buck at the corporation’s (and the workers’) expense. And forget others’ rights if we need to get information and justification for our going to war against Iraq in 2003, particularly if they are just Muslims.

More than half of people who attend services at least once a week — 54 percent — said the use of torture against suspected terrorists is “often” or “sometimes” justified. Only 42 percent of people who “seldom or never” go to services agreed…

White evangelical Protestants were the religious group most likely to say torture is often or sometimes justified — more than six in 10 supported it. People unaffiliated with any religious organization were least likely to back it. Only four in 10 of them did.

I am appalled and very much surprised by those numbers. I’m not sure how you could have even a passing familiarity with the New Testament and the life and words of Jesus Christ and endorse that philosophy.

However, as a Presbyterian, I was pleased to read the following:

The religious group most likely to say torture is never justified was Protestant denominations — such as Episcopalians, Lutherans and Presbyterians — categorized as “mainline” Protestants, in contrast to evangelicals. Just over three in 10 of them said torture is never justified.

Interesting. I would not have thought that torture would be a very valuable evangelical tool.

At First Presbyterian in Santa Fe, we had a “torture is wrong” banner up until President Obama officially banned the practice. I cannot not think of anything more antithetical to the Gospel than the notion that any professed disciple of Christ could be content to endorse such barbarous inhumanity. Whom would Jesus torture?