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		<title>By: Dorothy</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2009/06/29/dancing-machine/#comment-270043</link>
		<dc:creator>Dorothy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 13:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dexter I happened to catch that video of Richard Engel on last night&#039;s NBC news.  I didn&#039;t really want to see it, because it made me think immediately that it could be my son there in a year or two if he gets deployed.  (He&#039;s National Guard.) I can&#039;t decided if I&#039;d rather be well-informed and watch those kinds of stories, or avoid them completely.  Either way I figure I won&#039;t be able to sleep very well during his year or so away.  Speaking of my son, he broke his hand (pointer finger knuckle of his right hand) at OCS in Birmingham two weeks ago. He had to leave after just five days.  That made me wonder if he would not necessarily have to go into battle if his trigger finger/joint is compromised. Something tells me the Army would find some way around it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dexter I happened to catch that video of Richard Engel on last night&#8217;s NBC news.  I didn&#8217;t really want to see it, because it made me think immediately that it could be my son there in a year or two if he gets deployed.  (He&#8217;s National Guard.) I can&#8217;t decided if I&#8217;d rather be well-informed and watch those kinds of stories, or avoid them completely.  Either way I figure I won&#8217;t be able to sleep very well during his year or so away.  Speaking of my son, he broke his hand (pointer finger knuckle of his right hand) at OCS in Birmingham two weeks ago. He had to leave after just five days.  That made me wonder if he would not necessarily have to go into battle if his trigger finger/joint is compromised. Something tells me the Army would find some way around it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff (the mild-mannered one)</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2009/06/29/dancing-machine/#comment-270039</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff (the mild-mannered one)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 12:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In aid of almost nothing. . .except Dexter&#039;s footage really is remarkable, especially when you try [#fail] to put yourself in the minds of those going up against these troops, and wonder exactly what complex set of motivations are at work there, but i can&#039;t help respecting something of what they think they&#039;re doing as opposed to the hairball bomb-inators of Iraq . . .

When it comes to American beliefs and spirituality, i&#039;m morbidly fascinated by &quot;My Name is Earl,&quot; which i try to watch every few months just to see where the show is in relation to its appointed shark vaulting appointment.  As far as i can tell, this is a shark-proof series, since they made ludicrous plot turns central to their message from the beginning.

What has me watching, as a clergy dude who works with the near-homeless/homeless and socially maladroit most weekdays, is the whole mythos around &quot;Karma&quot; and the other characters, besides Earl, who all have a fairly vital sense of spiritual forces at work and an awareness of movements and influences beyond the immediate, physical, and visible.  I can see where some of an atheistic bent would watch and say &quot;THIS is what i&#039;m talkin&#039; &#039;bout,&quot; and that a little common sense, rationalism, and understanding of science would go a long ways towards improving their quality of life and choices therein.

And yet.  Not only do i think &quot;My Name Is Earl&quot; fairly accurately captures the generic state of American religiousness on a day by day level (pastors of all sorts, take note, i&#039;m talking about your congregation and what they *really* think), but there&#039;s a very real desire to make sense of larger, wider, deeper forces at work in everyday human interactions that pure materialism just doesn&#039;t answer, and misses the test of lived reality.

Karma coming back to bite you, or run you down in the street, cursed objects (Vista, anyone?), destiny pushing people into situations that retrospectively look like a chain of events with a purpose, and all of this being studied, considered, even &quot;prayed over&quot; to try to make the best, the right decision in a clouded situation right now -- that&#039;s how the mass of people i meet talk about their lives.  They talk to deceased relatives and see signs and follow leadings, sometimes to make choices i disagree with, but often to work out hard realities that i can&#039;t see entirely from my comfortable situation.

I still think, in that context, Christianity can be a lens that makes more sense rather than less out of life and choices, not rose colored lenses to pretty up a grey mush, and corrective lenses as opposed to some of the fun house mirrors i see people looking into (&quot;I&#039;m hopeless, I&#039;m a loser, I&#039;m the center of the world&quot;).  But i think &quot;My Name Is Earl&quot; shows us the view through the prescription worn by a near plurality of our fellow citizens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In aid of almost nothing. . .except Dexter&#8217;s footage really is remarkable, especially when you try [#fail] to put yourself in the minds of those going up against these troops, and wonder exactly what complex set of motivations are at work there, but i can&#8217;t help respecting something of what they think they&#8217;re doing as opposed to the hairball bomb-inators of Iraq . . .</p>
<p>When it comes to American beliefs and spirituality, i&#8217;m morbidly fascinated by &#8220;My Name is Earl,&#8221; which i try to watch every few months just to see where the show is in relation to its appointed shark vaulting appointment.  As far as i can tell, this is a shark-proof series, since they made ludicrous plot turns central to their message from the beginning.</p>
<p>What has me watching, as a clergy dude who works with the near-homeless/homeless and socially maladroit most weekdays, is the whole mythos around &#8220;Karma&#8221; and the other characters, besides Earl, who all have a fairly vital sense of spiritual forces at work and an awareness of movements and influences beyond the immediate, physical, and visible.  I can see where some of an atheistic bent would watch and say &#8220;THIS is what i&#8217;m talkin&#8217; &#8217;bout,&#8221; and that a little common sense, rationalism, and understanding of science would go a long ways towards improving their quality of life and choices therein.</p>
<p>And yet.  Not only do i think &#8220;My Name Is Earl&#8221; fairly accurately captures the generic state of American religiousness on a day by day level (pastors of all sorts, take note, i&#8217;m talking about your congregation and what they *really* think), but there&#8217;s a very real desire to make sense of larger, wider, deeper forces at work in everyday human interactions that pure materialism just doesn&#8217;t answer, and misses the test of lived reality.</p>
<p>Karma coming back to bite you, or run you down in the street, cursed objects (Vista, anyone?), destiny pushing people into situations that retrospectively look like a chain of events with a purpose, and all of this being studied, considered, even &#8220;prayed over&#8221; to try to make the best, the right decision in a clouded situation right now &#8212; that&#8217;s how the mass of people i meet talk about their lives.  They talk to deceased relatives and see signs and follow leadings, sometimes to make choices i disagree with, but often to work out hard realities that i can&#8217;t see entirely from my comfortable situation.</p>
<p>I still think, in that context, Christianity can be a lens that makes more sense rather than less out of life and choices, not rose colored lenses to pretty up a grey mush, and corrective lenses as opposed to some of the fun house mirrors i see people looking into (&#8220;I&#8217;m hopeless, I&#8217;m a loser, I&#8217;m the center of the world&#8221;).  But i think &#8220;My Name Is Earl&#8221; shows us the view through the prescription worn by a near plurality of our fellow citizens.</p>
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		<title>By: Dexter</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2009/06/29/dancing-machine/#comment-270016</link>
		<dc:creator>Dexter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 06:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you missed it, here it is...a firefight involving the Taliban and US troops, courtesy NBC&#039;s Richard Engel and a company of men who routinely get into firefights. This is the real thing, death right upon you , so you fire back...some of the damndest war footage I have ever seen.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032619/#31613039</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you missed it, here it is&#8230;a firefight involving the Taliban and US troops, courtesy NBC&#8217;s Richard Engel and a company of men who routinely get into firefights. This is the real thing, death right upon you , so you fire back&#8230;some of the damndest war footage I have ever seen.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032619/#31613039" rel="nofollow">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032619/#31613039</a></p>
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		<title>By: coozledad</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2009/06/29/dancing-machine/#comment-269964</link>
		<dc:creator>coozledad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 03:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was in high school, a friend of mine and his mom were showing me a family album. One of the Brownie prints from the thirties showed a young couple standing in front of a window. My friend&#039;s mother asked me if I noticed anything strange about it. If I&#039;d been completely honest, I&#039;d have said the whole situation struck me as strange because I was stoned, but the photo was definitely disturbing. A kid&#039;s face was in the corner of the window, sticking her tongue out at the young woman. I noted this to friend&#039;s mom. She said there was no one behind the window. The woman and her new husband (Mom&#039;s uncle) had just rented the place and snapped their portrait with a bulb. She&#039;d heard them discuss this picture often before her uncle killed the woman and died in jail a few years later. They hadn&#039;t moved into the rental property yet. It was vacant, and locked.
In the same house where we were looking at the photo album, we had hauled out a Quija board one night, and my overachiever girlfriend was interpreting the responses for the assembled potheads. The answers were mostly garden variety high school interpolations of infuriated spirit dialog...&quot;Leave me alone&quot; &quot;You stop&quot;. Then there was &quot;I&#039;m so hot. Open a window.&quot; &quot;I&#039;m very hot.&quot;
Thought nothing of it until about six months later when I got a phone call in my dorm room that the house had burned down, and my friend&#039;s elder sister had been trapped in her room and severely burned, nearly killed. My friend had opened the door to her room to call for her as the fire was mounting the stairs, and the firemen said the draft probably blew her body against the wall and knocked her unconscious. My friend jumped through a window to escape.
The same house hosted a fatal accident back in the sixties, when a young man decided to launch himself into the swimming pool from a deck at the rear of the house. Some people who lived in the neighborhood at the time had the typical gawker&#039;s stories about it. Needless to say he didn&#039;t make it.
I still don&#039;t believe in the supernatural so much as a frequent consolidation of misfortune. And it&#039;s like commercial real estate. Location, location...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was in high school, a friend of mine and his mom were showing me a family album. One of the Brownie prints from the thirties showed a young couple standing in front of a window. My friend&#8217;s mother asked me if I noticed anything strange about it. If I&#8217;d been completely honest, I&#8217;d have said the whole situation struck me as strange because I was stoned, but the photo was definitely disturbing. A kid&#8217;s face was in the corner of the window, sticking her tongue out at the young woman. I noted this to friend&#8217;s mom. She said there was no one behind the window. The woman and her new husband (Mom&#8217;s uncle) had just rented the place and snapped their portrait with a bulb. She&#8217;d heard them discuss this picture often before her uncle killed the woman and died in jail a few years later. They hadn&#8217;t moved into the rental property yet. It was vacant, and locked.<br />
In the same house where we were looking at the photo album, we had hauled out a Quija board one night, and my overachiever girlfriend was interpreting the responses for the assembled potheads. The answers were mostly garden variety high school interpolations of infuriated spirit dialog&#8230;&#8221;Leave me alone&#8221; &#8220;You stop&#8221;. Then there was &#8220;I&#8217;m so hot. Open a window.&#8221; &#8220;I&#8217;m very hot.&#8221;<br />
Thought nothing of it until about six months later when I got a phone call in my dorm room that the house had burned down, and my friend&#8217;s elder sister had been trapped in her room and severely burned, nearly killed. My friend had opened the door to her room to call for her as the fire was mounting the stairs, and the firemen said the draft probably blew her body against the wall and knocked her unconscious. My friend jumped through a window to escape.<br />
The same house hosted a fatal accident back in the sixties, when a young man decided to launch himself into the swimming pool from a deck at the rear of the house. Some people who lived in the neighborhood at the time had the typical gawker&#8217;s stories about it. Needless to say he didn&#8217;t make it.<br />
I still don&#8217;t believe in the supernatural so much as a frequent consolidation of misfortune. And it&#8217;s like commercial real estate. Location, location&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jolene</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2009/06/29/dancing-machine/#comment-269955</link>
		<dc:creator>Jolene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 02:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;On an unrelated note. I’ve seen two ads by Billy Mays since his untimely death, so I guess he will continue to be America’s Salesman long after he’s buried.&lt;/i&gt;

Death is not necessarily a barrier to making a buck.  According to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.forbes.com/2008/10/27/dead-celebrity-earning-biz-media-deadcelebs08_cx_mn_de_1027celeb_land.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the &lt;i&gt;Forbes&lt;/i&gt; list of the earnings of dead celebrities&lt;/a&gt;, the estate of Elvis Presley took in $52 million last year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>On an unrelated note. I’ve seen two ads by Billy Mays since his untimely death, so I guess he will continue to be America’s Salesman long after he’s buried.</i></p>
<p>Death is not necessarily a barrier to making a buck.  According to <a href="http://www.forbes.com/2008/10/27/dead-celebrity-earning-biz-media-deadcelebs08_cx_mn_de_1027celeb_land.html" rel="nofollow">the <i>Forbes</i> list of the earnings of dead celebrities</a>, the estate of Elvis Presley took in $52 million last year.</p>
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		<title>By: beb</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2009/06/29/dancing-machine/#comment-269937</link>
		<dc:creator>beb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 01:28:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The rise of militant atheism has a lot to do, IMHO, with the rise of Ralph Reed, Jerry Falwell, Pat Robinson and James Dobson. They went around beating so many people up who did not believe what they believed, and it was all for political gain, not worship of god, that foisted a counter-revolt of the ardently anti-Church. 

I was rather taken with Dawkin&#039;s account of a double-blind experiment on the effectiveness of prayer. Patients in a hospital were divided into two similiar groups. One group had their names given to a church to be prayed over. The other group was no prayed over. Outcomes for the two groups were identical. Prayer appears to have no effect on patients survival rates. On the other hand a similar experiment divided patients into two groups. One group was told that they would be prayed over by a church, the other group was told nothing. The people who believed they were being prayed over had better survival rates.

Dawkins concluded that the first experiment proves that God does not exist. Then again it&#039;ssaid that God Is Not Mocked. So maybe He did nothing solely to confound the atheists.

On an unrelated note. I&#039;ve seen to ads by Billy Mays since his untimely death, so I guess he will continue to be America&#039;s Salesman long after he&#039;s buried.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The rise of militant atheism has a lot to do, IMHO, with the rise of Ralph Reed, Jerry Falwell, Pat Robinson and James Dobson. They went around beating so many people up who did not believe what they believed, and it was all for political gain, not worship of god, that foisted a counter-revolt of the ardently anti-Church. </p>
<p>I was rather taken with Dawkin&#8217;s account of a double-blind experiment on the effectiveness of prayer. Patients in a hospital were divided into two similiar groups. One group had their names given to a church to be prayed over. The other group was no prayed over. Outcomes for the two groups were identical. Prayer appears to have no effect on patients survival rates. On the other hand a similar experiment divided patients into two groups. One group was told that they would be prayed over by a church, the other group was told nothing. The people who believed they were being prayed over had better survival rates.</p>
<p>Dawkins concluded that the first experiment proves that God does not exist. Then again it&#8217;ssaid that God Is Not Mocked. So maybe He did nothing solely to confound the atheists.</p>
<p>On an unrelated note. I&#8217;ve seen to ads by Billy Mays since his untimely death, so I guess he will continue to be America&#8217;s Salesman long after he&#8217;s buried.</p>
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		<title>By: jcburns</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2009/06/29/dancing-machine/#comment-269936</link>
		<dc:creator>jcburns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 01:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christian &lt;i&gt;formation!?&lt;/i&gt; Well, lessee. One interpretation: sounds militaristic (rows of young Catholics lined up for indoctrination), and another sounds like they&#039;re not-quite-finished-yet lumps of clay, waiting to be made into Notre Dame grads with baby feet atop their mortarboards.

Me, I&#039;m way past impatient waiting for Catholicism and, oh sure, Islam and Judaism and one or two stray synods of Protestantism to &lt;i&gt;re&lt;/i&gt;form their &lt;i&gt;institutional structure&lt;/i&gt;, (yes, I think I&#039;m agreeing with Jeff here), which manages to do an amazing amount of, uh, not-good while they&#039;re out there claiming good works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christian <i>formation!?</i> Well, lessee. One interpretation: sounds militaristic (rows of young Catholics lined up for indoctrination), and another sounds like they&#8217;re not-quite-finished-yet lumps of clay, waiting to be made into Notre Dame grads with baby feet atop their mortarboards.</p>
<p>Me, I&#8217;m way past impatient waiting for Catholicism and, oh sure, Islam and Judaism and one or two stray synods of Protestantism to <i>re</i>form their <i>institutional structure</i>, (yes, I think I&#8217;m agreeing with Jeff here), which manages to do an amazing amount of, uh, not-good while they&#8217;re out there claiming good works.</p>
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		<title>By: deb</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2009/06/29/dancing-machine/#comment-269916</link>
		<dc:creator>deb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 00:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>as one of the nn.c family&#039;s few practicing catholics (yo, adrianne!), it&#039;s no longer called CCD, but christian formation. just so&#039;s you know.

as a protestant tot, i had lots of fun at VBS -- which sometimes involved homemade ice cream -- so when my youngest expressed interest in the VBS at his friend&#039;s UCC&#039;s church, i said sure. he lasted about an hour; broke his collarbone during a sack race. that was the end of VBS for us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as one of the nn.c family&#8217;s few practicing catholics (yo, adrianne!), it&#8217;s no longer called CCD, but christian formation. just so&#8217;s you know.</p>
<p>as a protestant tot, i had lots of fun at VBS &#8212; which sometimes involved homemade ice cream &#8212; so when my youngest expressed interest in the VBS at his friend&#8217;s UCC&#8217;s church, i said sure. he lasted about an hour; broke his collarbone during a sack race. that was the end of VBS for us.</p>
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		<title>By: alice</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2009/06/29/dancing-machine/#comment-269915</link>
		<dc:creator>alice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 00:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian S, The Gong Show! Now that was good TV.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian S, The Gong Show! Now that was good TV.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff (the mild-mannered one)</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2009/06/29/dancing-machine/#comment-269901</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff (the mild-mannered one)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 22:43:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>4db, it sounds like we could have a civil conversation; my only point of cheerful disagreement with you being the question &quot;is there not some sense of enduring meaning that gives such preciousness weight?&quot;

My argument, in a public sense, is with what feels like a growing insistence that the senses &amp; sensations of the moment are all; yep, Mark Sanford tries to put some religious lipstick on that . . . wait, we can&#039;t use that metaphor any more, but Sandra Tsing Loh and Richard Dawkins and Janet Jackson all seem to be singing the same song -- do what feels good, try not to hurt others, and make your choices based on your &quot;heart&quot;, whatever on earth (or in heaven) that is.

But there&#039;s very little to do with organizational or structural religion i feel the need to defend, and more often i&#039;m happy to hand over my crowbar to the wreckers, due to a toxic overexposure early on to Bonhoeffer and Kierkegaard.  If you actually read more than a few second-hand quotes of SK, it&#039;s hard to take anything about institutional Christianity seriously, which is not conducive to a successful career in the clergy.  Jesus, on the other hand . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>4db, it sounds like we could have a civil conversation; my only point of cheerful disagreement with you being the question &#8220;is there not some sense of enduring meaning that gives such preciousness weight?&#8221;</p>
<p>My argument, in a public sense, is with what feels like a growing insistence that the senses &amp; sensations of the moment are all; yep, Mark Sanford tries to put some religious lipstick on that . . . wait, we can&#8217;t use that metaphor any more, but Sandra Tsing Loh and Richard Dawkins and Janet Jackson all seem to be singing the same song &#8212; do what feels good, try not to hurt others, and make your choices based on your &#8220;heart&#8221;, whatever on earth (or in heaven) that is.</p>
<p>But there&#8217;s very little to do with organizational or structural religion i feel the need to defend, and more often i&#8217;m happy to hand over my crowbar to the wreckers, due to a toxic overexposure early on to Bonhoeffer and Kierkegaard.  If you actually read more than a few second-hand quotes of SK, it&#8217;s hard to take anything about institutional Christianity seriously, which is not conducive to a successful career in the clergy.  Jesus, on the other hand . . .</p>
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