Comments on: The helping profession.

By: moe99

moe99 — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:37:37 +0000

Lindbergh’s father had some problems in that department too, iirc.
Charles Lindbergh was the world’s rock star of the era. Hard not to think you could do whatever you pleased with that sort of adulation following you around.

By: Jeff (the mild-mannered one)

Jeff (the mild-mannered one) — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:19:00 +0000

The new news is the not one, but THREE good Teutonic families he maintained all his life im Deutschland, and a total number of children between them i’m not recalling, but he was heading for two digits last i saw. Apparently he visited two or three times a year and was presented to his children as their father who was a very important businessman with a very full schedule.

I’ll say.

When it came to Aryan eugenics, he certainly walked the walk. At least in the propagation department.

[update -- apparently he got up to 7 with the three German families, 6 with Anne here back home. 13 for das Volk!]

By: moe99

moe99 — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 13:52:47 +0000

My mother was from Little Falls MN where her dad was one of the town’s doctors and a personal friend of Lindbergh. From my mother’s recollection, Lindbergh used to fly over my grandfather’s clinic and tip his wings to Drs. Claude and Barton Holst. I’ve known for a long time about Lindbergh’s fascist impulses. This is nothing new to learn for me. And it is worth noting that Michelle Bachman represent that part of MN these days, so some things haven’t changed.

By: coozledad

coozledad — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 13:39:22 +0000

I don’t recall Roosevelt or Robert Wagner making a case for Mussolini, and I don’t recall Lindbergh making the case for Roosevelt. As far as reading the entirety of Goldberg’s book goes, I spent a lot of my youth being roped into reading worthless crap that was a waste of trees. I’m not going to bog myself down in a book written by a guy who owes his place in life to a starfucker of a mom.

By: Jeff (the mild-mannered one)

Jeff (the mild-mannered one) — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 13:29:56 +0000

Basset, i wrote a long paper on the Treaty of Westphalia in college, but i still think of that song when the word/place comes up, every time. How do you make the umlaut for the O on a Mac keyboard, i wonder?

By: Jeff (the mild-mannered one)

Jeff (the mild-mannered one) — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 13:27:38 +0000

You need to read more about Woodrow Wilson; Goldberg doesn’t argue that progressivism was the same as Hitler, but that the argument ad Hitlerium has swamped the fact that collectivism and nationalism and racism have as many entwined roots as conservatism and localism do. The canard that only the right dabbles in segregation, demonizing of “the Other”, and eugenics is what his book means to refute — i’m strongly suspecting from your comments you haven’t had a chance to read it. You’d by no means agree with all of it, but there’s a well made case developed, with specific case studies, that the Left was well into stuff in the 1920s that today liberalism claims is the exclusive preserve of the conservative movement.

But he doesn’t claim the Progressive movement was the same as Hitler at all, or wanted the same outcome . . . they were, however, much more facilitators of “Mr. Hitler” and “Mr. Mussolini” in the 1930s than any other swath of the American political spectrum. It’s a point worth making as some on the Left regularly invoke Hitler to paint the Right in colors of red, white, and black (spider in the middle implied, but obvious).

And Lindbergh — whoa, the revelations just keep coming. Throw out every bio you have of him, and get ready for the next couple. It just makes you wonder what kind of hell Anne Morrow Lindbergh went through.

By: coozledad

coozledad — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 13:15:19 +0000

Regardless of what Jonah Goldberg’s pulled out of his ass and called a thesis, socialism refers, in the Nazi equation, to the she-wolf of the state, milking her cubs as they participate in an eternal struggle of borderline personalities leading inexhorably to some Edda-like feast of souls. To say it has anything that even remotely smacks of Fabianism or the hippie variety of pantheism is to ignore Hitler and the history of Europe post ’33. Nazism is less akin to Socialism than it is to a pyramid scheme where the base is steadily, and with mechanical inevitability, converted to corpses.
We know enough about human nature now to say that the goal of any ideology that adopts “will” or “gut-feeling” as a replacement for methodical governance is begging for a return to the killing fields of Eastern Europe 1942-45. Some people (the same people who are peddling Jonah’s mountain of shit)think it would have been somehow different if Hitler had managed to defeat the Soviets. Horseshit. The idea was always to kill and keep killing.It was the aim of the Hitler state. Hitler said he died a happy man; and of course he did. He got a world-historical plate-job at the expense of millions of dead.
Conflating Hitlerism with progressivism is the vilest, stupidest shit the Republicans have ever spouted, and you know it.

By: basset

basset — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 13:02:15 +0000

every time I hear Westphalia mentioned, I think of ham…or VW campers… or Blue Oyster Cult:

“It was dark over Westphalia/In April of ’45…”

By: Jeff (the mild-mannered one)

Jeff (the mild-mannered one) — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:44:01 +0000

Blut und Boden perhaps, but she’s missing the socialism part of National Socialism. We need to move past the nationalisms of Westphalia circa 1648, but the 1919 “self determination for all peoples” turns out to carry its own built-in self detonation fuse.

Personally, i think we’d all be better off feeling a deep loyalty to our watershed and/or ecoregion, but that’s gonna be a multigeneration educational project. Just spent a week doing my part on that, but it’s a hard sell.

By: moe99

moe99 — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:39:11 +0000

Jefftmmo? Was that a magical moment or what?