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		<title>By: brian stouder</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2009/11/11/the-names-of-the-dead/comment-page-2/#comment-304945</link>
		<dc:creator>brian stouder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 13:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;It’s a won­der­ful place if you are white, male, and wealthy&lt;/i&gt;

ding ding ding ding!!!!

Actually, the &quot;wealthy&quot; part would be good in any era, but indeed - the way things were &#039;back then&#039;, and the big social transformation from then to now are simply inseperable. Swerens would agree with that much, I think, but one wonders what he would have to say about that expressway that was never built; about all those families who weren&#039;t white who never got a buy-out, and who never got displaced from downtown, and who therefore didn&#039;t get the opportunity to move elsewhere in Fort Wayne, where the (mostly white) IH and Tokheim and ITT and Fruehauf workers (etc) lived.

etcetera


edit: I forgot one &#039;dog whistle&#039; moment in Mr Swerens&#039; presentation, wherein he related a story he&#039;d read somewhere, and which struck him as insightful. The supposition regarded the societal difference between 1900 to 1950, as compared to the difference from 1950 to 2000; the idea was that if a man was magically transported from the circa-1900 city street to the 1950 city street - he&#039;d be taken aback by the cars and trucks (instead of horse-drawn carriages), but if he saw a lady and tipped his hat, or held a door open for her, he&#039;d be right in-step.

But, if a man was magically transported from the 1950 street to the 2000 street, he&#039;d offend one person after the next with the things he&#039;d be liable to say or do.

Several folks nodded at that; my chin dropped a little, but while I pondered what he was trying to say the talk proceeded on, so I have no idea how that changed our city-scape, or whether this was really thought to be the city we want to go back to, or what....(sorry!)  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It’s a won­der­ful place if you are white, male, and wealthy</i></p>
<p>ding ding ding ding!!!!</p>
<p>Actually, the “wealthy” part would be good in any era, but indeed — the way things were ‘back then’, and the big social transformation from then to now are simply inseperable. Swerens would agree with that much, I think, but one wonders what he would have to say about that expressway that was never built; about all those families who weren’t white who never got a buy-out, and who never got displaced from downtown, and who therefore didn’t get the opportunity to move elsewhere in Fort Wayne, where the (mostly white) IH and Tokheim and ITT and Fruehauf workers (etc) lived.</p>
<p>etcetera</p>
<p>edit: I forgot one ‘dog whistle’ moment in Mr Swerens’ presentation, wherein he related a story he’d read somewhere, and which struck him as insightful. The supposition regarded the societal difference between 1900 to 1950, as compared to the difference from 1950 to 2000; the idea was that if a man was magically transported from the circa-1900 city street to the 1950 city street — he’d be taken aback by the cars and trucks (instead of horse-drawn carriages), but if he saw a lady and tipped his hat, or held a door open for her, he’d be right in-step.</p>
<p>But, if a man was magically transported from the 1950 street to the 2000 street, he’d offend one person after the next with the things he’d be liable to say or do.</p>
<p>Several folks nodded at that; my chin dropped a little, but while I pondered what he was trying to say the talk proceeded on, so I have no idea how that changed our city-scape, or whether this was really thought to be the city we want to go back to, or what.…(sorry!)</p>
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		<title>By: nancy</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2009/11/11/the-names-of-the-dead/comment-page-2/#comment-304944</link>
		<dc:creator>nancy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 13:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t get me wrong -- Jon&#039;s an OK guy, and, far more than Kevin, generally doesn&#039;t expect others to share, or listen to, his views. He&#039;s quiet, keeps his head down, and works hard. 

It&#039;s just...zoning? Huh? I think most of us would consider reasonable zoning restrictions a good thing. But Leo Morris, also my former N-S colleague, is also one of those who believes zoning constitutes an infringement on personal liberty. I just don&#039;t get it. One of the things about old cities that I don&#039;t like is how factories and such are located in residential neighborhoods. There was a reason for it once upon a time -- in fact, I believe generally the neighborhood came after the factory -- but their time has passed. (As anyone cursed enough to own a house next to the Packard plant would surely agree.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don’t get me wrong — Jon’s an OK guy, and, far more than Kevin, generally doesn’t expect others to share, or listen to, his views. He’s quiet, keeps his head down, and works hard. </p>
<p>It’s just…zoning? Huh? I think most of us would consider reasonable zoning restrictions a good thing. But Leo Morris, also my former N-S colleague, is also one of those who believes zoning constitutes an infringement on personal liberty. I just don’t get it. One of the things about old cities that I don’t like is how factories and such are located in residential neighborhoods. There was a reason for it once upon a time — in fact, I believe generally the neighborhood came after the factory — but their time has passed. (As anyone cursed enough to own a house next to the Packard plant would surely agree.)</p>
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		<title>By: Julie Robinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie Robinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 13:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been to no-zoning Florida, and I did not enjoy all the businesses people were running out of their garages at all hours of the night.  With their loud customers, louder swearing, and and even louder music, the auto repair place 20 feet from the bedroom window at my sister&#039;s place seriously impeded my sleep and cranked up my crankiness.  Zoning is a good thing.

My late father-in-law was a dreamer and visionary like his son and he had lobbied for that highway.  Thought it was a huge mistake to not build it.

My aunt and uncle in Iowa still live in the fifties.  It&#039;s a wonderful place if you are white, male, and wealthy.  Life today is much less powerful and more threatening for Leininger, Swerens, and their ilk, what with women and people of color surrounding them.  No wonder they want to turn the clock back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ve been to no-zoning Florida, and I did not enjoy all the businesses people were running out of their garages at all hours of the night.  With their loud customers, louder swearing, and and even louder music, the auto repair place 20 feet from the bedroom window at my sister’s place seriously impeded my sleep and cranked up my crankiness.  Zoning is a good thing.</p>
<p>My late father-in-law was a dreamer and visionary like his son and he had lobbied for that highway.  Thought it was a huge mistake to not build it.</p>
<p>My aunt and uncle in Iowa still live in the fifties.  It’s a wonderful place if you are white, male, and wealthy.  Life today is much less powerful and more threatening for Leininger, Swerens, and their ilk, what with women and people of color surrounding them.  No wonder they want to turn the clock back.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff (the mild-mannered one)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff (the mild-mannered one)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 13:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sarah Palin didn&#039;t put an index in her book, and DC insiders are wailing -- &quot;waaaa, waaaaa, i&#039;m gonna have to have a staffer *read* the dang thing now to find out if i&#039;m in it!&quot;

Snork.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarah Palin didn’t put an index in her book, and DC insiders are wailing — “waaaa, waaaaa, i’m gonna have to have a staffer *read* the dang thing now to find out if i’m in it!”</p>
<p>Snork.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff (the mild-mannered one)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff (the mild-mannered one)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 13:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can rebuild, you just have to get a variance.  Same thing if there&#039;s a zoned ten foot setback in your neighborhood, and your entire west wall is four feet from the property line, and you want to build a room onto the back following the line of the house.  Even if the new room doesn&#039;t push back into the setback zone, you have to get a variance for the wall extension, because it&#039;s within the ten foot.

Anti-zoning folk love to say &quot;you can&#039;t&quot; when the actual fact is &quot;you can, but now you have to tag second base on your way around the field.&quot;  They just don&#039;t want to do that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can rebuild, you just have to get a variance.  Same thing if there’s a zoned ten foot setback in your neighborhood, and your entire west wall is four feet from the property line, and you want to build a room onto the back following the line of the house.  Even if the new room doesn’t push back into the setback zone, you have to get a variance for the wall extension, because it’s within the ten foot.</p>
<p>Anti-zoning folk love to say “you can’t” when the actual fact is “you can, but now you have to tag second base on your way around the field.”  They just don’t want to do that.</p>
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		<title>By: coozledad</title>
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		<dc:creator>coozledad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 12:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At what point does someone&#039;s ignorance of civics disqualify them from television journalism? I&#039;d hate to be the ambulance chaser CNN will have to hire when they catch Wolf doing whatever creepy ass thing it would take to get a garden-gnome- made-flesh off, but I understand why the law demands it.
http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/11/wolf-blitzer-quesitons-how-hasans-lawyer-can-represent-someone-accused-of-mass-murder.php?ref=fpblg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At what point does someone’s ignorance of civics disqualify them from television journalism? I’d hate to be the ambulance chaser CNN will have to hire when they catch Wolf doing whatever creepy ass thing it would take to get a garden-gnome– made-flesh off, but I understand why the law demands it.<br />
<a href="http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/11/wolf-blitzer-quesitons-how-hasans-lawyer-can-represent-someone-accused-of-mass-murder.php?ref=fpblg" rel="nofollow">http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/11/wolf-blitzer-quesitons-how-hasans-lawyer-can-represent-someone-accused-of-mass-murder.php?ref=fpblg</a></p>
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		<title>By: brian stouder</title>
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		<dc:creator>brian stouder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 12:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jolene, see the bottom of the last thread; but in a word, Dr Sullivan was &lt;i&gt;interesting&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jolene, see the bottom of the last thread; but in a word, Dr Sullivan was <i>interesting</i></p>
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		<title>By: crazycatlady</title>
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		<dc:creator>crazycatlady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 06:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Nancy. I defy anyone to see the Vietnam Memorial and not be moved. Try not to trace the letters of names on the cool black granite with your finger as you imagine the sadness families continue to feel at their loss. Try not to see the tears on the cheeks of Veterans as they stand at that sacred place and remember that which can never be erased. Try not to see the flags, the scraps of paper with written messages to the dead, the trinkets of a life gone too soon. Can&#039;t be done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Nancy. I defy anyone to see the Vietnam Memorial and not be moved. Try not to trace the letters of names on the cool black granite with your finger as you imagine the sadness families continue to feel at their loss. Try not to see the tears on the cheeks of Veterans as they stand at that sacred place and remember that which can never be erased. Try not to see the flags, the scraps of paper with written messages to the dead, the trinkets of a life gone too soon. Can’t be done.</p>
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		<title>By: Jolene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jolene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 02:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dorothy: That was my take too--that the soldier had just gotten on the plane and was gone.

Brian: How was the Andrew Sullivan talk?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dorothy: That was my take too–that the soldier had just gotten on the plane and was gone.</p>
<p>Brian: How was the Andrew Sullivan talk?</p>
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		<title>By: Dorothy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dorothy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 02:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave K: I&#039;m not 100% sure, but I got the impression that &quot;gone&quot; just means he was no longer in his line of vision. In other words, on the plane and off to Afghanistan. If the soldier were dead, I&#039;m pretty sure he&#039;d be very clear about that in the article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave K: I’m not 100% sure, but I got the impression that “gone” just means he was no longer in his line of vision. In other words, on the plane and off to Afghanistan. If the soldier were dead, I’m pretty sure he’d be very clear about that in the article.</p>
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