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		<title>By: Becks Davis</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2010/02/04/frozen/#comment-321677</link>
		<dc:creator>Becks Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 19:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m jealous that you&#039;ve found the location of the Ice House, I&#039;ve been trying for weeks to find out that secret. I&#039;m not sure how I feel about the project, though.

Thanks for the link to my post on the Belle Isle Ice Tree and enjoy your visit on Saturday. I posted some new pictures of the tree from this week on Detroit Moxie: http://www.detroitmoxie.com/home/2010/2/5/the-belle-isle-ice-tree-is-blue.html

He&#039;s looking quite pretty in blue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m jealous that you&#8217;ve found the location of the Ice House, I&#8217;ve been trying for weeks to find out that secret. I&#8217;m not sure how I feel about the project, though.</p>
<p>Thanks for the link to my post on the Belle Isle Ice Tree and enjoy your visit on Saturday. I posted some new pictures of the tree from this week on Detroit Moxie: <a href="http://www.detroitmoxie.com/home/2010/2/5/the-belle-isle-ice-tree-is-blue.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.detroitmoxie.com/home/2010/2/5/the-belle-isle-ice-tree-is-blue.html</a></p>
<p>He&#8217;s looking quite pretty in blue.</p>
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		<title>By: beb</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2010/02/04/frozen/#comment-321649</link>
		<dc:creator>beb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 13:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is an article somewhere out on the Internet which describes how a band could sell a million albums and still end up broke. A lot of what I&#039;ve been arguing here has been influenced by that article. There are two key points in the article. One is that the Record Company charges back all sorts of expensives to the band - the advance, the producer&#039;s fees, cost of making the video, advertising, etc. The other point is that the band&#039;s portion of the $16 or so you pay for that album is a buck, or so. The way it&#039;s set up the Record Company makes a lot of money selling records, the band not so much.

When I heard that Amazon was trying to keep a $10 floor on ebooks the first thought that popped into my head was &quot;how much of that goes to the author?&quot; If hard cover royalties run 12-14% and paperback royalties run 6-8%, then ebook sales probably run 4-6%. Which means that for ebook sale the author is getting less than a dollar in royalties. When I suggested that ebooks should be priced at $2, with a dollar going straight to the author, I was actually proposing a RAISE for the author. I do want to see authors make a decent living from their work. Some of my best friends are authors. I wasn&#039;t trying to make athors live in poverty, I was trying to say that most of them already do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is an article somewhere out on the Internet which describes how a band could sell a million albums and still end up broke. A lot of what I&#8217;ve been arguing here has been influenced by that article. There are two key points in the article. One is that the Record Company charges back all sorts of expensives to the band &#8211; the advance, the producer&#8217;s fees, cost of making the video, advertising, etc. The other point is that the band&#8217;s portion of the $16 or so you pay for that album is a buck, or so. The way it&#8217;s set up the Record Company makes a lot of money selling records, the band not so much.</p>
<p>When I heard that Amazon was trying to keep a $10 floor on ebooks the first thought that popped into my head was &#8220;how much of that goes to the author?&#8221; If hard cover royalties run 12-14% and paperback royalties run 6-8%, then ebook sales probably run 4-6%. Which means that for ebook sale the author is getting less than a dollar in royalties. When I suggested that ebooks should be priced at $2, with a dollar going straight to the author, I was actually proposing a RAISE for the author. I do want to see authors make a decent living from their work. Some of my best friends are authors. I wasn&#8217;t trying to make athors live in poverty, I was trying to say that most of them already do.</p>
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		<title>By: Denice B.</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2010/02/04/frozen/#comment-321642</link>
		<dc:creator>Denice B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 05:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saw a clip of Jon Stewart on &#039;The O&#039;Reilly Factor&#039;. He told Bill that he is &quot;The voice of reason on Fox. Which is kind of like being the skinniest kid at &#039;Fat Camp&#039;.&quot; Up yours, Fox!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saw a clip of Jon Stewart on &#8216;The O&#8217;Reilly Factor&#8217;. He told Bill that he is &#8220;The voice of reason on Fox. Which is kind of like being the skinniest kid at &#8216;Fat Camp&#8217;.&#8221; Up yours, Fox!</p>
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		<title>By: Dexter</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2010/02/04/frozen/#comment-321641</link>
		<dc:creator>Dexter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 05:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congressional Quarterly on Coats &quot;testing the waters&quot; before formally declaring a run at Evan Bayh.  
http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?docID=news-000003289470</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congressional Quarterly on Coats &#8220;testing the waters&#8221; before formally declaring a run at Evan Bayh.<br />
<a href="http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?docID=news-000003289470" rel="nofollow">http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?docID=news-000003289470</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rana</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2010/02/04/frozen/#comment-321639</link>
		<dc:creator>Rana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 04:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m of mixed minds about the whole &quot;free information on the internet&quot; issue.  On the one hand, as a writer (or &quot;producer of content&quot; as they seem to like to call us creative folks these days) it would be nice to get paid for my work - though as someone who tends to write creative nonfiction, which is a rare and unprofitable beast, it&#039;s not like I could ever make a living at it.  On the other, coming out of a background of academia, it&#039;s not impossible that there are other benefits to be accrued from freely sharing one&#039;s work.  I&#039;m thinking of scholarly publishing in particular, a nifty set-up in which intelligent, trained professionals engage in hours of research and analysis to produce works that are offered to journals for free and for which they get nothing except credit for having achieved the milestone of publication.... except that, in the old system, such efforts did earn those professionals nice things like tenure and lifetime employment, and the respect of one&#039;s peers.  

I find myself wondering if there are analogies in those bloggers who find ways of turning their blogs into books, or even movies - there is clearly a market for those things, despite the content being available for free on the internet (heck, hit rates are what the author can use to demonstrate that there&#039;s a market for the book!).  So I don&#039;t know if it&#039;s books vs. internet copies, free content vs. paid content, so much as some people can make a living writing free stuff, and some (most) people can&#039;t.  Given that a generation or two before, that equation was some people can make a living with published books, and most people don&#039;t manage that, I&#039;m not sure that anything&#039;s really changed, except audiences&#039; greater access to the mediocre and uninspired stuff that in previous decades would have manifested in hand-bound, hand-typed junk taking up space in random people&#039;s attics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m of mixed minds about the whole &#8220;free information on the internet&#8221; issue.  On the one hand, as a writer (or &#8220;producer of content&#8221; as they seem to like to call us creative folks these days) it would be nice to get paid for my work &#8211; though as someone who tends to write creative nonfiction, which is a rare and unprofitable beast, it&#8217;s not like I could ever make a living at it.  On the other, coming out of a background of academia, it&#8217;s not impossible that there are other benefits to be accrued from freely sharing one&#8217;s work.  I&#8217;m thinking of scholarly publishing in particular, a nifty set-up in which intelligent, trained professionals engage in hours of research and analysis to produce works that are offered to journals for free and for which they get nothing except credit for having achieved the milestone of publication&#8230;. except that, in the old system, such efforts did earn those professionals nice things like tenure and lifetime employment, and the respect of one&#8217;s peers.  </p>
<p>I find myself wondering if there are analogies in those bloggers who find ways of turning their blogs into books, or even movies &#8211; there is clearly a market for those things, despite the content being available for free on the internet (heck, hit rates are what the author can use to demonstrate that there&#8217;s a market for the book!).  So I don&#8217;t know if it&#8217;s books vs. internet copies, free content vs. paid content, so much as some people can make a living writing free stuff, and some (most) people can&#8217;t.  Given that a generation or two before, that equation was some people can make a living with published books, and most people don&#8217;t manage that, I&#8217;m not sure that anything&#8217;s really changed, except audiences&#8217; greater access to the mediocre and uninspired stuff that in previous decades would have manifested in hand-bound, hand-typed junk taking up space in random people&#8217;s attics.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff (the mild-mannered one)</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2010/02/04/frozen/#comment-321636</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff (the mild-mannered one)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 03:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian -- unless you&#039;re reading it under the blankets by flashlight. I really, really had to know what happened to Aramis on the road back from Calais. When my mom realized I was reading &quot;The Three Musketeers,&quot; she was ridiculously pleased . . . it was years before it occurred to me what she had assumed she&#039;d find me reading by the light of my Scout D-cell at 11:30 pm.  It wasn&#039;t that she was such a Dumas fan, apparently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian &#8212; unless you&#8217;re reading it under the blankets by flashlight. I really, really had to know what happened to Aramis on the road back from Calais. When my mom realized I was reading &#8220;The Three Musketeers,&#8221; she was ridiculously pleased . . . it was years before it occurred to me what she had assumed she&#8217;d find me reading by the light of my Scout D-cell at 11:30 pm.  It wasn&#8217;t that she was such a Dumas fan, apparently.</p>
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		<title>By: nancy</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2010/02/04/frozen/#comment-321635</link>
		<dc:creator>nancy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 03:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who dat would probably be Lisa Williams and her friend...name escapes me. Lisa catered our wedding and is the exec chef at Joseph Decuis. As well as good friends with Dooky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who dat would probably be Lisa Williams and her friend&#8230;name escapes me. Lisa catered our wedding and is the exec chef at Joseph Decuis. As well as good friends with Dooky.</p>
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		<title>By: brian stouder</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2010/02/04/frozen/#comment-321634</link>
		<dc:creator>brian stouder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 03:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, tonight ol&#039; Rachel made me laugh and guffaw not once, but twice - with little asides about the political sheep ad.

And aside from that, we learned on her show that the woman who runs the New Orleans restaurant Dooky Chase was helped (in part) to re-open her famous establishment after hurricane Katrina by &#039;folks from Fort Wayne, Indiana&#039;.

Who dat, indeed!

edit: well - a quiet realization (not to say epiphany) for me, regarding aging, is that a sort of prideful intransigence begins to take hold. If the whole damned world insists on transforming printed pages into electronic Kindling, STILL I&#039;ll never, ever own or use one.

I insist that my books have pages and dust and maybe the odd note or author&#039;s inscription or long-lost coupon or event program (used as a bookmark) within them. And I want foot notes and end notes and marginalia; and even if I hate the font or the pagination, it must be THE font or pagination that the publisher committed to.

And no damned book of mine will ever depend on a battery  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, tonight ol&#8217; Rachel made me laugh and guffaw not once, but twice &#8211; with little asides about the political sheep ad.</p>
<p>And aside from that, we learned on her show that the woman who runs the New Orleans restaurant Dooky Chase was helped (in part) to re-open her famous establishment after hurricane Katrina by &#8216;folks from Fort Wayne, Indiana&#8217;.</p>
<p>Who dat, indeed!</p>
<p>edit: well &#8211; a quiet realization (not to say epiphany) for me, regarding aging, is that a sort of prideful intransigence begins to take hold. If the whole damned world insists on transforming printed pages into electronic Kindling, STILL I&#8217;ll never, ever own or use one.</p>
<p>I insist that my books have pages and dust and maybe the odd note or author&#8217;s inscription or long-lost coupon or event program (used as a bookmark) within them. And I want foot notes and end notes and marginalia; and even if I hate the font or the pagination, it must be THE font or pagination that the publisher committed to.</p>
<p>And no damned book of mine will ever depend on a battery  </p>
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		<title>By: Deborah</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2010/02/04/frozen/#comment-321633</link>
		<dc:creator>Deborah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 03:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot of architects teach at universities to help round things out. It&#039;s partly economic and partly for networking purposes. A lot of the designers I work with teach on the side. I lecture from time to time and have taught a semester or two but I am not a born teacher on a large scale, I&#039;m much better one on one. It&#039;s a sad state of affairs but it is reality. The value of writing and creative arts has been on the decline. Sigh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of architects teach at universities to help round things out. It&#8217;s partly economic and partly for networking purposes. A lot of the designers I work with teach on the side. I lecture from time to time and have taught a semester or two but I am not a born teacher on a large scale, I&#8217;m much better one on one. It&#8217;s a sad state of affairs but it is reality. The value of writing and creative arts has been on the decline. Sigh.</p>
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		<title>By: beb</title>
		<link>http://nancynall.com/2010/02/04/frozen/#comment-321632</link>
		<dc:creator>beb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 02:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nancy wrote: &quot;I don’t want to see a world where any­one who wants to be a seri­ous writer has to have a day job in a university.&quot;

For poets that&#039;s pretty much the situation as it stands. But that&#039;s because most people don&#039;t read poems anymore. I&#039;m not sure but that won&#039;t become the norm for serious writers in the future. There are a shocking number of people, my sister, alas, is one, who appears to have never read a book she wasn&#039;t required to. The issue isn&#039;t, really, whether people are stealing book off the internet for free, but that people aren&#039;t reading like they used to. We may be the last literate generation.

Nancy wrote: &quot;If you can’t find any­thing decent to read in a few more years, don’t blame the writ­ers. They’ll be too busy wait­ing tables.&quot;

A couple years back I had an interesting conversation with a woman about romance fiction. Apparently there is a large on-line market in amateur romance fiction. Some authors I was told actually had large following so much so that tradition paper book publishers had made it a rule that they would not at any manuscripts from someone who had published on-line. Since I don&#039;t read romance fiction or explore on-line fiction I don&#039;t know how much of this is true. But it has the scent of credibility because I&#039;d seen stuff like this in SF fandom 15-20 years ago. There are a lot of people who want to be writers. So they start by writing fan fiction. Some many, in time, actually go on to be a book published author. As long as they are people who enjoy reading stories there will be people writing stories.

But I&#039;ve riding my hobby horse long enough. Hey, everybody, Boingboing,com is all upset because Miley Cyrus&#039;s younger sister is appearing in some scandalous children&#039;s lingerie photos. Child Porn! Child Porn! OMGTHECHILDREN!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nancy wrote: &#8220;I don’t want to see a world where any­one who wants to be a seri­ous writer has to have a day job in a university.&#8221;</p>
<p>For poets that&#8217;s pretty much the situation as it stands. But that&#8217;s because most people don&#8217;t read poems anymore. I&#8217;m not sure but that won&#8217;t become the norm for serious writers in the future. There are a shocking number of people, my sister, alas, is one, who appears to have never read a book she wasn&#8217;t required to. The issue isn&#8217;t, really, whether people are stealing book off the internet for free, but that people aren&#8217;t reading like they used to. We may be the last literate generation.</p>
<p>Nancy wrote: &#8220;If you can’t find any­thing decent to read in a few more years, don’t blame the writ­ers. They’ll be too busy wait­ing tables.&#8221;</p>
<p>A couple years back I had an interesting conversation with a woman about romance fiction. Apparently there is a large on-line market in amateur romance fiction. Some authors I was told actually had large following so much so that tradition paper book publishers had made it a rule that they would not at any manuscripts from someone who had published on-line. Since I don&#8217;t read romance fiction or explore on-line fiction I don&#8217;t know how much of this is true. But it has the scent of credibility because I&#8217;d seen stuff like this in SF fandom 15-20 years ago. There are a lot of people who want to be writers. So they start by writing fan fiction. Some many, in time, actually go on to be a book published author. As long as they are people who enjoy reading stories there will be people writing stories.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;ve riding my hobby horse long enough. Hey, everybody, Boingboing,com is all upset because Miley Cyrus&#8217;s younger sister is appearing in some scandalous children&#8217;s lingerie photos. Child Porn! Child Porn! OMGTHECHILDREN!</p>
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