In case anyone is wondering, here’s what Charlie Kirk had to say when the state lawmakers were shot in Minneapolis earlier this summer:
“Total shocker that smearing a duly-elected president who won an overwhelming electoral mandate as a fascist or a king leads to violent political radicalization.”
After another shooting in Minneapolis, the one at Annunciation Catholic School, he offered this: “Was the shooter on hormone therapy?” and “Was he on SSRIs? We deserve to know.”
So while it’s obvious violence is terrible when it’s directed anywhere, I think I’m going to try to be better than Charlie Kirk at this moment — it’s about 4 p.m. Wednesday as I write this, and I don’t know Kirk’s condition — I’ll just keep my yap shut for now. I feel nothing anyway, so why embroider on that?
Croaky said something stupid about guns this week, too. “We had lots of guns when we were kids. Kids brought guns to school and were encouraged to do so.” He went on to blame psychiatric drugs for the fact they’re now firing them. I don’t know about you, but psychiatric drugs, while no panacea, have brought relief and normalcy to millions of people who suffer from mental illness. The conservative right is now very hot on “mental health,” which they seem to believe was something we all enjoyed until evil liberals took it away.
I’ve always understood the wholesale emptying and closing of public mental hospitals to be a dovetailing of the worse impulses of both the left and the right, the rare case where both sides bear at least some, and perhaps equal blame. I know many of us are older here, and as I recall we’ve talked about it here, too, but I was there and I remember. Liberals said it was cruel and illegal to warehouse people, that new psychiatric drugs offered hope to people who previously could only be treated with Thorazine and other heavy tranquilizers, the ol’ dozin’-and-droolin’ state on American mental wards. The right said, “Close expensive public institutions? Sounds great!” Unfortunately, community-based mental-health buildings never came to pass — they, too, were expensive — and we didn’t reckon that some people with some mental illnesses didn’t want to be treated with the new drugs. They were imperfect, they had unpleasant side effects, and they cost a lot. Lots of mental patients didn’t have any sort of home support network. And so they ended up on the street, almost literally overnight. You saw it too, I bet. It coincided with the closing of SRO hotels in many cities, as yuppies moved downtown and wanted those icky bums out of sight.
So every time a conservative bleats about mental health, ask them: What’s your plan? How much will it cost? Where will people be treated? Because as anyone with even a surface understanding of the issue knows, there aren’t enough beds available now, much less after we start taking the issue as seriously as they think we should. A man off his meds stabbed 11 people in a Walmart in northern Michigan a few weeks ago. It was a familiar story: Paranoid schizophrenic, in and out of treatment and shelters for years, only intermittently in touch with his family, etc. He desperately needed inpatient treatment and a lot of support, but in northern Michigan? Are you crazy?
You could say the same thing about the man who stabbed and killed the Ukrainian refugee in Charlotte. American prisons are already mental hospitals. You want to build a few hundred more? With what money?
Get ready for a new barrage of this, depending on who is arrested for the assault on Kirk.
It’s now 4:45 p.m. Just checked the Salt Lake Tribune, NYT and other sources; they haven’t pulled the sheet up over his face yet. Time will tell.
Edit at three minutes later: He’s dead.
Heather said on September 10, 2025 at 4:53 pm
I put this at the bottom of the last post, but: Kirk said gun deaths were the price of liberty. Guessing he didn’t think he’d be the one personally paying it.
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Deborah said on September 10, 2025 at 5:08 pm
This is horrible, what will this bring down on us now? What is Wrong with people? Why are we in this now? AGAIN? Who thought this was a good idea? I do not understand any of this. At all. What can you even say?
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FDChief said on September 10, 2025 at 5:41 pm
Looked everywhere but I’ve misplaced my Felony Fats Fascist Flash Cards again so I’m confused. Is Kirk our Horst Wessel2.0? Or is it still Ashli Babbit? Both? How can I tell who’s the True Trumpian Martyr without a program!? All these pasty liars look alike to me!
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Sherri said on September 10, 2025 at 6:00 pm
I don’t wish him dead, and at the same time, Charlie Kirk was an opportunistic fucker who made outrage his brand and was fond of violent rhetoric directed at his enemies while also trying to claim the mantle of Christianity.
As you sow, so shall you reap.
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Jason T. said on September 10, 2025 at 6:01 pm
I can’t feel anything but sadness and trepidation about this, because like Deborah, I fear this is going to open the door to a lot of craziness. The president has already announced he’s lowering the flags to half-staff. Horst Wessel indeed.
Regarding the news, however, I am reminded of Galatians 6:7.
ETA: Sherri beat me to it. Great minds, etc.
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nancy said on September 10, 2025 at 6:03 pm
A counternarrative is emerging with the IQ-challenged right: “All he did was respectfully debate others with a different opinion.” Yeah, right.
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FDChief said on September 10, 2025 at 6:34 pm
The OG Nazis spouted that bullshit about Streicher and Goebbels. We hung the one anyway for the lying Nazi ass he was, and a sane polity would have done the same w Kirk and saved the cost of the bullet.
The wingnuts are at war with us. War, bodyguard of lies, etc etc.
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alex said on September 10, 2025 at 8:51 pm
Live by your disingenuous interpretation of the second amendment and die by it too. My thoughts and prayers are with you.
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susan said on September 10, 2025 at 9:12 pm
To Dead Kirk: “Thank you for your service.”
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Suzanne said on September 10, 2025 at 9:22 pm
I am reminded of the words of Jesus “Then Jesus said to him, “Put your sword back into its place. For all who take the sword will perish by the sword.” Matt 26:52
“…I beg you not to celebrate Charlie Kirk getting shot. Don’t celebrate it, don’t mock it. I’m not asking you to send thoughts and prayers. I’m begging you to not pour gasoline on a fire.”
“But already I can tell you this, from my years of reporting: Fascism’s guns are at the ready. Think before you spout off.”
https://slowcivilwar.substack.com/p/the-struggle-is-long?utm_medium=ios
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Little Bird said on September 10, 2025 at 9:24 pm
Apparently the man hated the idea of empathy, so…..
Meanwhile three children were killed in a school shooting in Evergreen, CO at damn near the same time.
One of my friends is afraid that this means things are going to escalate. Idiots are going to start taking shots at various individuals. On both sides.
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Sherri said on September 10, 2025 at 9:50 pm
Start? How will we distinguish this start from the everyday gun violence?
Or from the political violence that has already been happening, like the Minnesota lawmaker who was shot and killed.
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FDChief said on September 10, 2025 at 11:09 pm
Kyle Rittenhouse is holding on Line 1!
Governor Kotek here in Oregon posted some sort of anodyne screed about how “America is better than this.” (“this” being doing some 9mm headspace and timing belt adjustments to Charlie Kirk’s brain housing group, apparently…) which at least gave me a good horselaugh.
Oh my sweet summer child…”better than this”? The nation of Pulse? Sandy Hook? Gabby Giffords? The J6 Traitors? Rittenhouse and George Zimmerman and Hankinson (the cop who murdered Breonna Taylor)…
This nation loves its guns. It loves its violence. The nitwit Kirk himself would be leaping with delight at dying by gunfire; in 2023 he said: “I think it’s worth it. I think it’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights.” and as my old drill sergeant used to say, payback’s a bitch and her stripper name is karma. Guess Chuckles knows now exactly how much that God-given right is worth, eh?
As I keep saying; we’re at war. Now. And have been for damn near forty years. Certainly for thirty, since the Gingrich Era, when the old philandering bastard figured out he could call us “traitors” and “criminals” and his House Democratic colleagues would still work with him.
We’re just moving from the Cold to the shooting phase of the war.
It’s time to accept that the wingnuts already know and long for that.
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Sherri said on September 11, 2025 at 12:20 am
“He’s been one of the most divisive, especially divisive younger figures in this, who is constantly sort of pushing this sort of hate speech or sort of aimed at certain groups. And I always go back to, hateful thoughts lead to hateful words, which then lead to hateful actions. And I
think that is the environment we are in. You can’t stop with these sort of awful thoughts you have and then saying these awful words and not expect awful actions to take place. And that’s the unfortunate
environment we are in.”
That’s what Matthew Dowd said about Charlie Kirk on MSNBC, the Matthew Dowd who ran Bush’s 2004 campaign.
Matthew Dowd was fired by MSNBC for saying that. We’re supposed to pretend that Charlie Kirk never said anything derogatory about gays, Blacks, women, Muslims, Palestinians, or anyone else he considered his enemies, he just liked to debate people he disagreed with.
His kids didn’t deserve to have their father taken away, but I won’t pretend he was something he wasn’t.
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ROGirl said on September 11, 2025 at 7:49 am
The response to the Reichstag fire came to mind when I started hearing about the incident with that guy. Declare martial law, start rounding up all the left wing activists / dissidents / anti-trump politicians, etc.
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Mark P said on September 11, 2025 at 9:50 am
Some people on the left have been crushing their pearls about the very idea that some people might not have the greatest sympathy for Kirk. No decent person could possibly feel the slightest bit of schadenfreude. Everyone has the right to speak freely, no matter what they have to say. Right? Because we on the left are tolerant, even of intolerance.
I wonder if they would have said that in 1930’s Germany about the Nazis. But, this is different. This is the United States of America. It can’t happen here. Right?
Right?
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alex said on September 11, 2025 at 10:19 am
The legacy media failed at calling Trump’s lies what they were and are, and now they’re failing at calling hate speech what it is. Butthead wasn’t a polite debater; he was a provocateur and a bigot. As I see it, the world has one less firehose of toxic swill discharging itself into public discourse, and the world will be better for it if only by a hair’s breadth.
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FDChief said on September 11, 2025 at 11:10 am
It got lost in the KirkFest, but the whole “mental health” issue is worth discussing.
Because it’s pretty straightforward;
1) the old nuthouses really were “cuckoo’s nest” awful.
2) but the promised “community” facilities WERE never realized because
3) caring – REALLY caring – for people with severe mental and/or emotional troubles is hideously expensive.
4) So for the same reasons we still have a “homeless crisis” we have a “mental health crisis”; to do anything substantive would require the political will to put serious money into them, track outcomes, adjust based on tracking data, and keep doing that over a looooong time – effectively forever.
This is America. We don’t do “long” or “expensive” if it involves anything not war. So the crises won’t be solved…unless the wingnuts get their dream of going full Nazi.
Then, well…
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Jeff Borden said on September 11, 2025 at 11:48 am
Time again to recall the unctuous Newt Gingrich, who launched the hatefest against anything not white, male, christian and conservative. It was amplified every day by the Oxycontin Kid aka Rush Limbaugh and Fox. I lived through the late 60s and early 70s when leftists were violent, but the right has been the perpetrators for a long time now.
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Jeff Gill said on September 11, 2025 at 11:54 am
Hat tip, @FDChief who said it first & better. I’d add that if you look at some of the popular culture of the 1930s through the 1950s, like “Arsenic and Old Lace” & “Harvey,” people really did get put in insane asylums to take advantage of the mildly addled aged or dotty bachelors in families. The change in the laws around involuntary commitments started in the Sixties and culminated in 1975 with a Supreme Court decision on due process which enshrined the “danger to self or others” standard at a fairly high level:
https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R47571
States are creating workarounds on civil commitments for mentally incapacitated people, which opens one door . . . but if there’s no beds open for in-patient treatment, and there aren’t, then you “pink slip” a person to a local hospital which will move heaven and earth to discharge that person within 48 hours or end up liable for a boatload of uncompensated care. Which is part of how you end up with obviously disturbed people going in and out of the process 14 times, then killing someone, as their schizophrenia worsens.
And you know what the best cure we have currently for schizophrenia is? Getting them to age 35, when in most patients it moderates or even ends as they approach 40. Obviously there’s suspicion of hormonal triggers, etc., but we still don’t know. Putting schizophrenics in prison for life will cure them, I suppose, if they live in lock-up that long. But as the chief says, key is serious money over long periods of time with comprehensive care for ailments we still can’t treat well in the community, let alone on the street.
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FDChief said on September 11, 2025 at 12:09 pm
The plural of anecdote is not data, but I got to watch this play out in one case up close.
Adult neighbor (who had some mild psychological issues) began to slip into full-on psychosis in her late thirties. Began abusive to her elderly parents. Raving, screaming, combative. Parents tried medical intervention. Hospitalizations. Counseling. No help. Police started arriving. Arrests. Finally restraining order. Daughter disappeared.
Returned, homeless, completely unhinged. More arrests. Finally parents got involuntary commitment order and daughter went away for six months…
…and returned. Subdued. Compliant. Until…off meds. Relapsed. Raving. Police…finally, disappeared, several years ago, never to return.
Dead? Possibly. Homeless if alive? Certainly. Hopeless? Probably.
Multiply by thousands and..?
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Scout said on September 11, 2025 at 12:42 pm
Who was Charlie Kirk? Certainly not the halo wearing martyr the right is frantic to portray him as. I lifted this in its entirety from HCR’s Facebook comments because it is an honest portrayal we’re not going to hear much about as everyone processes this latest American bloodbath.
“Charlie Kirk is dead, and the media wants you to believe he was some saint of free speech, cut down in his prime. They’re already sanding down the edges, turning a man who spent his career spewing bile into a martyr. But here’s the truth: Kirk wasn’t about dialogue, he was about domination. He wasn’t protecting liberty, he was laying the rhetorical groundwork for fascism.
This guy wasn’t just “against gay marriage.” He opened his Bible, pointed to the verse about executing gay men, and called it “God’s perfect law.” He tweeted “Pride is a sin” like he was dunking on an entire community. He told a gay student that their life wasn’t valid. Then he went even further—demanding a nationwide ban on gender-affirming care and calling trans kids an abomination. That’s not policy debate, that’s state-sanctioned cruelty dressed up as a sermon.
And race? Same playbook. He called George Floyd a “scumbag,” smeared Martin Luther King Jr. as “awful,” and sneered at the Civil Rights Act as a “huge mistake.” That’s not contrarian courage, that’s spitting on the graves of people who bled to expand democracy. And the man didn’t just flirt with white nationalism—he blasted the Great Replacement theory on national radio, pointing to demographic charts and telling his audience the decline of white Christians was “intentional.” Do you hear the subtext? He wasn’t warning about immigration policy, he was laying out a war cry.
Immigrants, in his mind, weren’t people—they were invaders. He called for a total immigration shutdown, then promised mass round-ups. Not the usual “tighten security” talk—he said, “We will find you and your family, and we will return you. All 20, 25, 30 million.” That’s not a plan, that’s a threat. It’s the fantasy of a police state that tears apart homes in the middle of the night.
And let’s not forget his casual acceptance of violence. He said it outright: “Some gun deaths every single year? Worth it.” Worth it! As if dead kids in classrooms are a reasonable trade-off for his right to pose with an AR-15 on Instagram. He called for Trump to unleash the military on American streets under the Insurrection Act. He told dads they should’ve physically stopped trans athletes from competing. He framed blood in the streets as part of liberty’s price tag and told the audience to clap for it.
Now the obits will paint him as a victim of “political violence.” But the man himself glorified violence when it came from the right. He cheered Rittenhouse. He excused Jan. 6. He was fine with militarized crackdowns as long as they landed on protesters, not his base. He didn’t fear political violence—he marketed it. And here’s the uncomfortable truth: if someone makes it their life’s mission to be a hate-mongering fascist, they shouldn’t be shocked when political violence finds them. Actions, rhetoric, and consequences are not separate islands—they feed each other.
So no, he wasn’t a saint, he wasn’t some brave debater taken too soon. He was a professional hate-monger, a demagogue who wanted to roll this country back to the dark ages of church-run morality and white supremacy. And if the papers try to hand him a halo, it’s our job to rip it off and remind people who he really was.
Because the truth matters more than their eulogies.”
– Jud Hindes, commenter on today’s HCR post
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LAMary said on September 11, 2025 at 1:05 pm
Flags at half staff today, I guess. The only flag pole I’ve seen today was at the recreation center two doors away and the flag was not at half staff. Thank you LA Department of Recreation and Parks.
That guy struck me as an asshole, although I’ve really only been aware of him since he was shot. “Prove Me Wrong?” Seriously? Do I get to choose the topic?
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john (not mccain) said on September 11, 2025 at 1:32 pm
If there’s a rainbow at his funeral it means angels are laughing.
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Dexter Friend said on September 11, 2025 at 1:58 pm
Live by it, die by it, yes. Kirk? Who was that? Oh yeah, the sycophant at the Republican convention last summer. Never heard of him before or since. Then this MAGA-hat-throwing ass commands total newscasts, cable and network alike. A strong advocate of the Second Amendment, more guns are needed. So we are. But really, as Keir Starmer fired an Epstein client, and Trump is going there, another push-back on the Epstein hell-fire. Back burner, way back. Again…why is Trump ordering the stonewalling, and lying about the drawings and signatures? You folks are not gullible, we know why. As my friend Foggy Otis the ukulele player (a real dude, does shows) says every day: Trump fucks children. Damn.
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Heather said on September 11, 2025 at 2:42 pm
The whitewashing of Kirk by the mainstream media into some sort of free speech hero is … really something. I’m fairly cynical and it’s actually shocking to me.
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susan said on September 11, 2025 at 2:48 pm
Scout, what/who is HCR?
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Dave said on September 11, 2025 at 3:35 pm
Heather Cox Richardson, I believe, who gives daily clear-eyed commentary.
I’ve been shocked but I don’t know why, of the people on our neighborhood Facebook page who’re mourning and saying what a great ‘murican he was, standing up for democracy and gun rights. Again, I don’t know why I should be shocked, look where I live here in Central Hoosierland.
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Sherri said on September 11, 2025 at 4:36 pm
I don’t normally think of Ezra Klein as a complete idiot, though I’m ready to change my mind. He has an op-ed today saying that Charlie Kirk did politics the right way, talking with anyone who would talk to him. I can only assume that Klein never listened to what Kirk actually said, if he thinks that’s the right way to do politics.
I doubt the college professors on Kirk’s Professor Watch List felt that the abuse that was directed their way by Kirk’s minions was just politics he right way.
Charlie Kirk sent buses of insurrectionists to Jan 6. He didn’t want to debate politics, he wanted to control who had a voice in politics. That doesn’t justify murder, and it doesn’t make him a hero.
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Deborah said on September 11, 2025 at 4:53 pm
I remember hearing Heather Cox Richardson talk about how she started her daily newsletter during trump’s first term and after she had made Kirk’s list for harassing professors, she taught history at Boston College and was apparently too liberal for Kirk. She’s a big Lincoln scholar, but has written quite a few books about history, I’ve only read her latest book about Democracy but I read her newsletter everyday, it’s the first thing I look for every morning.
I read about a guy who went to grade school with Kirk, the guy said Kirk bullied him mercilessly. Kirk especially made fun of the guy because he was fatherless, his dad had died young. Wouldn’t you know that Kirk would be that kind of shitty kid and isn’t it ironic that his own kids will be fatherless now.
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Suzanne said on September 11, 2025 at 5:02 pm
I have been very disheartened today at the number of people I know who are mourning the loss of “fine Christian man” Kirk who said zilch when kids are gunned down in schools or the lawmakers in Minnesota were shot in their homes. Sure, Kirk would “debate” people if asking someone asinine rhetorical questions and them mocking them is debate. He’s another right wing provocateur whose enormous popularity I fail to grasp.
The right seems to be populated with angry crass people who want to be complete assholes with no consequences and do so in the name of Jesus, as if calling fetid dung Christian makes it sacred.
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alex said on September 11, 2025 at 5:42 pm
No love lost here after all of the horrid things Charlie Kirk has said and done, and yes I’m feeling schadenfreude and I’m more than happy to own it. He made a career of being a hateful asshole and he got his just deserts as far as I’m concerned. Ezra Klein and anyone else who pretends that he was civil or principled can kiss my fucking ass.
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FDChief said on September 11, 2025 at 5:56 pm
Re: the Canonization of St. Charles the Martyr…
Read up on the original Charlie Kirk; Horst Wessel. Brownshirt, small time thug and street brawler. Got his in a sordid little turn-up with another couple of local crooks associated with the Reds.
The OG Nazis did the same thing with Horst that the MAGAts are doing with Chuckles. Don’t understand how that works, but, then, while I’m pretty loathsome I’m not vile enough to be a Nazi or a MAGAt.
Still, there’s a fair number of folks who compare T47 to “speed-running Hitler 1933” for me to suspect this is right out of the classic Mein Kampf bookshelf.
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Jeff Gill said on September 11, 2025 at 9:27 pm
In aid of no particular agenda, my sister & I have been further sifting our mother’s memorabilia, much of which we’ve seen many times but in between this & that are some surprises.
Her trip in the summer of 1957 across the west and then up through Canada to Anchorage we knew about, but some of her pictures have only just turned up. She had capacity to take about 36 exposures, some didn’t turn out, but we have maybe two dozen of them. We found a few more, mostly odd exposures or imperfect pictures which to us today are gold, gold flakes if not full nuggets.
One I finally traced down to a location, of cars parked in twilight, with neon bright on one side of what turned out to be Front Street, a bit of light on the other side showing a few signs. It’s in Whitehorse, Yukon.
And it turns out the hotel she’s shooting burned down a few years later; we assume it’s where the college class traveling group stayed. Idly poking at the factoid for a bit more information, it turns out this was the final location in the Yukon Gold Rush era for a hotel that was epically floated from Bennett, British Columbia down the Tagish River to the Yukon and on to Whitehorse, where the Arctic Restaurant & Hotel was re-established . . . by Frederick Trump, our president’s grandfather, who by all accounts was the Al Swearengen of the Yukon, running a restaurant-slash-brothel. With a year and a half of arriving in Whitehorse, he’d made enough money, sold his half to his partner, and headed home in 1901. The White Horse Restaurant & Inn burned down in 1905; a later interest built anew on the site which is where my mother stayed and what she photographed, but it burned in 1964.
Intersections with history, lit by neon & lurid tales of the not-so-distant past.
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Dorothy said on September 11, 2025 at 9:37 pm
I had a meeting at a library north of my house at 6:30 tonight so I was traveling on route 315 north. As I approached the exit for Henderson Road, over the highway was a walkway or a bridge of some sort. I saw maybe a dozen people holding signs and flags. As I got closer I saw one that said something about something being bulletproof (this must be an expression used frequently by the newly dead anointed one) and another that said “Keep fighting Charlie!”. And of course before I went under the bridge I did what any of us would have done and I flipped them off with both hands. It only took a couple seconds to take my hands off the wheel. I’m not sure they saw me; I hope they did.
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Sherri said on September 11, 2025 at 9:57 pm
I’m always amazed at how people can just not see nor hear what contradicts their beliefs and self-image. Not just all the people rewriting history about Charlie Kirk, but the people who also claim that it’s “the left” that promotes violence. It’s like they don’t hear anything Trump says.
I read a comment by the friend of a Facebook friend, in which he laments how the left is convinced the right is evil and refers, without a hint of self-awareness, to Tim Walz as Tampon Tim.
And not that facts matter, but despite right wing beliefs that “the left” is responsible for political violence, the opposite is true. Michael Harriott crunched the numbers since the rise of Trump: https://www.contrabandcamp.com/p/are-leftists-coming-for-you-heres?r=2h24&utm_medium=ios&triedRedirect=true
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alex said on September 11, 2025 at 10:04 pm
Hi Dorothy! I took your advice and tried Jersey Mike’s subs today instead of fast food outlets which I abhor. Lot of cured meats and white bread which are just as bad for me as breaded and deep fried reconstituted fish and chicken, but it sure was delish. My best fast food these days are the Chipotle imitators, which are legion — bowls, burritos, etc. in a make-your-own format, mostly with fresh ingredients. Chipotle itself sucks donkey dicks and tastes like a bunch of processed crap, but we have a bunch of smaller local and regional outlets following the same model and some of them are pretty darned good.
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Brandon said on September 11, 2025 at 11:25 pm
It only took a couple seconds to take my hands off the wheel.
As long as you have cruise control.
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Dorothy said on September 12, 2025 at 5:26 am
Brandon at that time of day the traffic was mostly slow and creep. So no cruise control there. Strangely at about the same point where I flipped my birds, the road sort of opened up and I could go 65-70 mph, and it was so representational of the moment! I felt so free!
I am going to try very hard not to overshare about Mike’s diagnosis, but are we out of bounds to think this is taking waaaay too long? His surgery was August 18; eight days later the pathology was shared with Cleveland Clinic. They’ve had it 16 days. Why is it taking so agonizingly long to determine the kind of cancer and the stage?
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David C said on September 12, 2025 at 6:39 am
I got a call this morning that mom has hours to live. She had her cardiac event a week ago today and this is the third time we’ve been told she has hours to live. My mom is five feet tall, but she seems like she was given about twelve feet worth of will to live. She’s a short, quiet person with steel inside.
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Suzanne said on September 12, 2025 at 7:34 am
Dorothy, that does seem like a long time to wait for more info on your husband’s cancer, but I don’t know if that’s normal. I do know that it can take a while for certain biopsy results but I don’t know much else. My only personal experience was with my own cancer, but blood cancer is such a different beast, that I really can’t compare.
Peaceful thoughts to you and your husband. Living in the liminal spot of waiting is awful.
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Deborah said on September 12, 2025 at 10:11 am
I heard that they possibly, maybe, might have the shooter. A person close to him turned him in, or something like that. This could be another wrong turn, who knows.
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FDChief said on September 12, 2025 at 12:13 pm
Given that his father was murdered w a gun you’d think Croaky’s childhood memories would be a bit less fond. But you’d be imagining a Croaky less deeply insane and twisted than the dude actually is.
A chief executive with a functioning hindbrain would have 86ed the lunatic long ago. Supposedly the explanation is that Felony Fats is addicted to having a Kennedy – even a fucked-up demented idiot one – to pal around with because it “proves” he’s not just a jumped-up nobody slumlord from Queens.
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Jeff Gill said on September 12, 2025 at 12:28 pm
David C., our sympathies. Hoping & praying for strength to you through this.
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Deborah said on September 12, 2025 at 1:21 pm
In case you are as behind the times as I am here’s a gift article about Nick Fuentes https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/09/us/politics/nick-fuentes-trump.html?unlocked_article_code=1.lU8.yD8R.SkYLoal1SG3B&smid=url-share
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Mark P said on September 12, 2025 at 2:39 pm
It is being reported that the first stories about LGBTQ and anti-fascist “engraving” on bullets found with the purported assassination weapon were incorrect. Apparently it was standard markings that are on every cartridge. I’m afraid this level of bullshit and incompetence is going to be characteristic of ATF and the FBI from now on. I’m also afraid that intelligence agencies around the world, agencies that used to cooperate with the US to identify threats here, are looking at what our agencies have become and will stop cooperating. Idiocracy, here we are.
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Sherri said on September 12, 2025 at 2:42 pm
There’s a generation of young men who have grown up in the extremely online world spawned by 4chan and its successors, the post-Gamergate world of edgelords and outrage bait that latched onto the rise of Trump. When I called Charlie Kirk and opportunistic fucker yesterday, this is what I meant, and Fuentes is the same. Kirk was in his early 20s when Trump rode the golden escalator, and he had already dropped out of college and found a right wing sugar daddy to fund his ratfuckery. Both Kirk and Fuentes learned that more outrage, more money, power, and attention. Kirk stayed just enough more mainstream to keep fools like Ezra Klein from writing him off, but what Kirk said was just as much white supremacy as Fuentes.
Why aren’t there left-wing versions of Kirk? There are, but there aren’t left-wing sugar daddies who fund them and give them prominence. I know a guy here who could easily be a left-wing version of Kirk, but all he does is make my local Dem organization dysfunctional. He’s made a (small) name for himself when he was a kid with a website fighting against Tim Eyman, the guy here made a living doing terrible ballot initiatives, and he’s got a small, not very influential political operation now in his 30s. He wants to be a big shot in the state party, but he’s not. If he’d had a sugar daddy, he probably could have been, and he would have been an obnoxious debate me bro.
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Colleen said on September 12, 2025 at 2:49 pm
I posted a meme on FB that said while I disliked what CK said, I hated gun violence more. I thought it quite measured. I got a nasty reply from someone who said “can’t you give it a rest for one day?”
I think I am down a friend on FB. Oh well…
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Julie Robinson said on September 12, 2025 at 5:30 pm
David C & Dorothy, I’m sorry for what you’re going through. We’re still picking up the pieces after our daughter’s dog died, and I agree about how hard the waiting is.
Dennis is leaving tomorrow on his looong trip up the northeast coast so I’ve been very busy helping him prepare and haven’t had a lot of time to read news. But it seems possible that the alleged shooter was a follower of the “your body, my choice” guy, Nick Fuentes. Fuentes is to the right of Kirk. (!)
To the best of my knowledge our Robinson family is not related to the Utah family. My son shares the first name of the alleged shooter’s father. That’s an icky feeling.
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David C said on September 12, 2025 at 6:47 pm
Mom passed this morning. I wish I had been there. I was getting into the car to drive up when I got the call. My brother and sister were there, so she wasn’t alone.
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Deborah said on September 12, 2025 at 7:22 pm
So sorry David C. It’s too bad that she went so soon after you just moved there.
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Colleen said on September 12, 2025 at 7:33 pm
My condolences, David C…
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Sherri said on September 12, 2025 at 7:46 pm
So sorry for your loss, David C.
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Suzanne said on September 12, 2025 at 8:50 pm
So sorry for your loss, David C. It’s never easy, even when expected.
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Pweter said on September 12, 2025 at 10:28 pm
David C, I am so sorry for your loss.
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