Interesting times.

Shortly before the blue moon, I shared a pitcher of Blue Moon with a new acquaintance, who keeps a foot in public policy. We discussed the coming shitstorm, which in politer company is known as “the financial bind local governments find themselves in as sharply falling property-tax revenues mean curtailed services, increased taxes/fees and pain all around, or all of the above.”

On the way home, I reflected once again that if Barack Obama’s first official act after changing out of his inauguration-day tuxedo was to erect pikes up and down Wall Street and start decorating each with a severed head of a former master of the universe, we’d be talking about repealing the 22nd amendment today. (I’d travel to New York just to take a picture of Angelo Mozilo’s.)

One of these days when the temperature rises above freezing, I’m going to do a short picture-taking tour of my surroundings. Every so often it strikes me how watershed moments very rarely happen the way they do in the movies, with fancy camera movements and a pulsating score underneath to cue you to the drama. You still get up every day, brush your teeth, make coffee. People rarely riot in the streets. It’s bleak out there, but it ain’t “The Road,” not yet. It’s in how one day you’re in the passenger seat instead of the driver’s, so you can watch the storefronts as they flash by, and notice how many are empty, how the For Sale or Lease signs have been there so long they’re now sun-bleached. It’s in how you notice the house down the street, bearing the unmistakable look of abandonment, suddenly sprouts the realty sign of a firm that handles only foreclosures, and that’s no good, but! There are painters woking in there! And the dead tree in the front yard is gone! And wow, maybe it did actually sell, but the next sign is, For Rent. And that’s hopeful, right, because no one has scrapped it yet.

Everybody is seeing coyotes, not just the guy who jogs at 2 a.m., and I find myself getting all Eugenides, wondering if they’re a metaphor, like the dying elms in “The Virgin Suicides,” only no, the dying ash trees are the metaphor, right? They’re the auto-industry metaphor; the coyotes are the subprime-meltdown metaphor.

Forgive me. I think I shouldn’t have had that glass of wine on an empty stomach. But something is happening here, the bedrock is shifting, has shifted, and no one really knows what comes next. All anyone knows is, we were the first state to enter the recession, and will likely be the last to climb out. We’re the new Mississippi. May you live in interesting times, as the Chinese say.

Actually, I’m optimistic. Who isn’t, in January? There’s something tied to throwing out the tree, I think, that feeling of light and space again. As Bossy once said, it’s like getting another room in your house. One-word resolution: Finish. Several things, actually, but that’s what ties them all together. Happy new year to all.

So let’s kick off the bloggage with some supplemental reading, the WashPost ins-and-outs list, done this year by not-Hank, but still funny: Ripped abs/Ripped jeans. I’m there.

Everything you ever wanted to know — and a lot you didn’t — about Warren Beatty’s love life. More than 12,000 women, by his biographer’s estimation, and “that does not include daytime quickies, drive-bys, casual gropings, stolen kisses and so on.” Noted.

Finally, the ground beef story that will push you to vegetarianism, or else toward my KitchenAid meat grinder. Pity it ran during the slowest news day of the year.

THe first manic Monday of the new year. Off and running!

Posted at 1:25 am in Current events, Detroit life, Popculch |
 

50 responses to “Interesting times.”

  1. Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on January 4, 2010 at 7:29 am

    Temp above freezing — methinks you have weeks before you’ll have to worry about that.

  2. beb said on January 4, 2010 at 7:39 am

    Nancy, should we put up on the suicide watch list? ::-) (Hey, I wear glasses, four-eyed smiles for me.)

    That was a depressing first post of the year.

  3. basset said on January 4, 2010 at 7:47 am

    “…virtually unhinge her jaw, like a python…”

    now there’s an interesting image to start the day.

  4. nancy said on January 4, 2010 at 7:52 am

    Beb, you’re the second person to say that this morning. No! I feel fine! Really I do. It’s just odd and unsettling to live in these times, in this place. You of all people should know that.

  5. Deborah said on January 4, 2010 at 8:24 am

    I am so out it’s pathetic. After reading the in-out list you linked to, I had no idea who or what most of that was about. I tried clicking on the links to get a clue, but my computer kept crashing so I gave up.

    I always had a crush on Warren Beatty, he’s the physical type I admire, tall and lean. I saw him in person once at a concert when I was in college, it was for people who had campaigned for McGovern. He was with Julie Christie and Jack Nicholson. I thought I’d died and gone to heaven.

  6. ROgirl said on January 4, 2010 at 8:39 am

    There’s a house in my neighborhood that’s had a For Sale sign in the front yard for at least 2 years. It was a FSBO for a long time, and the people were still living in it, but it looks like they moved out last summer, which is when a real estate company sign went up. Other houses in the area have sold slowly over the same time period, but I’ve never seen anything like this.

  7. brian stouder said on January 4, 2010 at 8:46 am

    Wasn’t Julie Christie in Heaven Can Wait with Warren Beattie?

    I didn’t think Nance sounded depressed; there IS a wierdness about the times we live in. To me, it feels like we’re in between acts – that there’s another major shoe that will fall.

    The near-disaster that flew into Detroit seems like another rumble – to put it in Pompeiian terms.

    Between our sour economy, our sour political climate, and our sour international relations (mostly thinking Iran, here, and overlooking Yemen – which is an error), this could be 1937

    All we can do is keep on keeping on

  8. nancy said on January 4, 2010 at 8:49 am

    Brian: Exactly.

    Now, on to the leering over Jane Fonda’s unhinged jaw.

  9. coozledad said on January 4, 2010 at 9:12 am

    What in the hell does someone need to unhinge their jaw for: is Warren swinging a fire extinguisher? That would explain why he sent Joan Collins into the arms of the Dallas Cowboys.
    They always said Jack Kennedy fucked from hunger, requiring special appliances and props to keep the pain to a minimum. But Warren? Jack Kennedy without Addison’s, I guess.
    Madonna was the same way with me. Always dragging me to the clubs, making me dance. She knew I couldn’t dance. And that Sandra Bernhard. What a ball buster.

  10. Peter said on January 4, 2010 at 9:24 am

    Cooz, was thinking of you this morning – Clarence Page had a Tribune column that pointed out Cheney’s hypocrisy (talk about shooting fish in a barrel, must have taken 10-15 minutes of work) – and one commenter wrote that Cheney is nothing more than “animated dog snot”

  11. Linda said on January 4, 2010 at 9:26 am

    Detroit artist colonies? Who knew? And not something trumped up by city promoters, but famous enough to be known on their own in other cities? Or maybe they just provide an “in” bookend to the “out” Detroit auto plants. And I’m betting the people in them don’t make half as much money, and they don’t have have the economic oomph that prosaic old factories provided. But they ARE hip in Washington.

  12. Dorothy said on January 4, 2010 at 9:43 am

    Your mention about the house in the neighborhood suddenly showing activity reminded me of being in Cincinnati last week, visiting with our former across-the-street neighbors. Next door to them lives a woman and her two kids. Son is the same age as my son (24) and daughter is a freshman or sophomore in college now. The husband died suddenly this past year, a heart attack before the age of 50. He’d been out of work and their grass/yard was never very well taken care of. Apparently they were moving towards foreclosure too. There are actually flower vases (with dead flowers in them) from his funeral in the back yard in a pile. Our friends and a few other neighbors cut the grass when it gets very high. The woman never says a word to them – not even a thank you. She pulls into the garage and closes the door and that’s it. The bank has agreed to let the three of them stay there and the neighbors assume she’s making whatever small payments she can. Maybe the bank figures it’s better to have something instead of nothing in payment. A neighbor caught a glimpse of the inside of the house a few months ago and it’s just a mess.

    The daughter is still sweet and friendly, but never discusses the situation. When she’s available she’ll babysit for our friends’ children. She used to be my dog walker when I lived there – she’d come over right after school to walk Atticus. Her dad had allergies and they could not have pets so she slathered him with attention. They think her grandparents are paying her tuition. The son has always been very odd – pale and friendless. He works as a clerk in a local second hand computer game store. Never speaks to anyone. Relies on his mom for rides because he doesn’t drive. All in all, a very sad situation.

  13. Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on January 4, 2010 at 9:52 am

    Nancy, do you have any local buzz for us on the impending whistle past the graveyard of an Intl Auto Show in Detroit? Or is it still on for this month?

  14. MichaelG said on January 4, 2010 at 10:45 am

    Ken Levine had good stuff on Warren Beatty.

    http://kenlevine.blogspot.com/

    Our Governator does his State of the State Wed and issues the new budget in draft form on Fri. Can’t wait. I have a feeling we’re going to make MI look like paradise.

    Didn’t we have a big thing on ground beef a couple of months ago? It’s plain that you have to be self destructive to by frozen burgers.

  15. LAMary said on January 4, 2010 at 11:18 am

    If Ahnuld messes with in-state tuition one more time I don’t know what I will do. Honestly.

  16. coozledad said on January 4, 2010 at 11:22 am

    Peter: I have to say I was a little surprised Cheney slithered out from underneath his rock to comment on the dick-bomber, but not completely. He’s got to get out ahead of the idea Halliburton was up to it’s balls in Nigeria fomenting a civil war between the Islamic north and the Christian south (siding, I might add, with the Islamists who educate their kids in Yemen). The bomber’s dad is another peripheral figure in the Halliburton bribery scam of the nineties, a board member of Nigeria Telecom (Nitel, another no-bid KBR linked organization) and widely reviled by the folks in the south as a looter on the order of Sani Abacha.
    When something smells like shit, there’s a good chance Halliburton is in the neighborhood.

  17. Joe Kobiela said on January 4, 2010 at 11:47 am

    Dorthy that sounds like a family heading for big trouble. After the kid slaughters his mom and sister I can hear the headlines from here. ” Wel they were quiet and kept to them self, never caused any trouble.”
    also wonder how that global warming is going, I was in Fayettville N.C. last night and damn near froze.
    Pilot Joe

  18. brian stouder said on January 4, 2010 at 11:48 am

    regarding leering over Jame Fonda’s unhinged jaw – I gotta call bullshit on that one.

    Notice that in his version, the humble reader is asked to envision something not just “larger” but “much larger”.

    The two went on to become an item, and Beatty would later rave about Fonda’s sexual prowess “due to her ability to virtually unhinge her jaw, like a python that swallows prey much larger than itself.”

    I didn’t make it past the jump, where Joan Collins got off a very nice one liner (so to speak)

  19. Peter said on January 4, 2010 at 11:55 am

    Cooz, I wasn’t surprised Cheney spouted off some bile – what gets me so upset about current politicians and commentators is that they have absolutely no shame. Any normal, even borderline sane person in Cheney’s position would realize that their 15 minutes are up and that the only people who want to hear his spiel would pay plenty for it, so grab the $$$ and fly under the radar, but NOOOOO, we have to hear about it ad nauseum.

    Dorothy, although it’s apples and oranges, my dad worked at a S&L in the ’70’s, and he always let people who were behind in the payments just pay what they can until they got a new job and were back on their feet. His opinion was that it was a lot cheaper than foreclosing, and people would make good when they could.

  20. MichaelG said on January 4, 2010 at 11:58 am

    Somebody stole the “U” out of “buy” in my earlier post.

    Beatty is 72. To make it with 12,000 women he would have had to have been with a different woman every other day starting on the day he was born. A different woman every two days, no breaks, no calling in sick. Don’t know when he was able to fit in seconds with any of them. Gotta admire that dedication.

  21. Jeff Borden said on January 4, 2010 at 12:01 pm

    Peter and Cooz,

    I’ve been really disappointed no one in Congress has taken up the cause of war profiteering. Harry Truman was hell on wheels during World War II as one of the leaders who held contractors accountable, despite the fact a fellow Democrat was in the White House. When you hear all these stories about contractor abuses in Iraq and Afghanistan, it’s nauseating. Combat troops guarding convoys of empty trucks. Troops electrocuted in their showers because of shoddy construction…drinking bad water…charged out the ying-yang for a burger and a soda. Blackwater deservedly gets most of the bad press, but there are many other private contractors, both American and foreign, that ought to be placed under a microscope.

    And speaking of defense, when will one brave politician finally stand up and start going after the ludicrous amounts of money we waste on weapons systems and gear that we no longer need? If we took a knife to the Pentagon wish list the way our politicians parse a few paltry millions pissed away in pork barrel deals, imagine the savings. All Congress critters should be required to watch Ike’s speech on the Military-Industrial complex. The man lays it all out brilliantly.

  22. beb said on January 4, 2010 at 12:37 pm

    Nancy, I keep my depressing thoughts bottled up where they can sit and fester until they exploded in a hideous rage on top some bookstore depository somewhere. Since I have a fear of guns I don’t know what I’ll be doing on top that book desposit building… maybe trying to spit into the wind.

    The wonder isn’t so much that Warren Beatty has had (alledgedly) 12,000 women but that he’s kept count.

  23. Jeff Borden said on January 4, 2010 at 12:51 pm

    I believe Wilt Chamberlain claimed 20,000 conquests in his autobiography, which would seem to have left little room to sleep between NBA games.

    Speaking of sex, I see a note today that Fox News official hound dog Brit Hume suggested over the weekend that Tiger Woods become a Christian so his many transgressions can be forgiven. I am ignorant of the teachings of Buddhism, the faith Tiger apparently follows, but surely there is some element of forgiveness for transgressions, no? Given all the sex scandals associated with our Christian politicians, I’m not so sure Tiger would be addressing his shortcomings by embracing Christianity.

    One of the bumper stickers that was popular when I lived in North Carolina 20 years ago read: “Christians aren’t perfect. . .just forgiven.” I always found it a rather arrogant and exclusionary statement, but it’s also a great little moral band-aid. You can sin. You can seek forgiveness. You can sin again. Repeat and repeat as needed.

  24. MichaelG said on January 4, 2010 at 12:55 pm

    Henry Waxman, the only honest man in Congress, has done some chasing after obscene war profit makers, but he’s only one man trying to climb a mighty steep slope.

  25. Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on January 4, 2010 at 1:08 pm

    Arrogant?

    But i’ll grant you the “repeat as needed” part, the idea being that if you immerse yourself in the whole program, so to speak, you shouldn’t need it quite so much. Repentance is an ongoing process for anyone, even so.

    I think a Buddhist cleric would tell parishoner Eldrick that he is struggling with an excessive attachment to certain physical activities, and he should devote himself to a bit more spiritual practice, generally in the area of sitting meditation or prostrations. If we have any Buddhist clergy i’d happily defer to their expertise, but Brother Brit understated unkindly the degree to which Buddhism has a response to offer those whose lives are damaged. What i trust he meant to say is that Christianity, specifically Paul, has a very direct statement and potentially a very helpful way to try to address the situation of “For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I keep on doing.”

    Of course, that’s presuming that Tiger wants a relationship with his children, and with their mother, beyond a monthly payment. There’s some evidence that he does, but he can’t stop doing the very thing that makes that difficult if not impossible.

    And the Beatty story just makes me feel sad, nowhere near jealous. Ever listen to a Wilt interview? Very, very depressing, or to put it differently, he’s a highly overcompensating depressed person. I’d guess the same for Warren.

  26. Dexter said on January 4, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    ground beef story…thanks, Times, for that wordy report, but I bailed out halfway through, from nausea. I just can’t eat burgers anymore…what could be more nasty than rotting beef treated with ammonia and served as food?
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Well, I’m finally ready for the cave, I reckon, because I don’t care to read one more word about Warren Beatty’s love life. This story has been around for fifty years , how much more can we take? On the other hand, I find it fascinating that Kate Hudson , who seems so young to me, (she’s not) has a lover -list the size of a holiday shopping list, and I can’t even begin to recall all the names I have heard over the years, but I know she sent Owen Wilson to the nut house and she recently broke up with A-Rod the ballplayer, and now she’s with someone else whose name I forgot already. This website chronicles 13 males she has had, and Yankee Rodriguez is #13 on the list as well as on his Yankee uniform, good timing, good synchronization, is this zen, karma, or just happenstance?
    http://www.whosdatedwho.com/celebrities/people/dating/kate-hudson.htm
    Anyway, yeah, Wilt had over 20,000, making Beatty look like a shy schoolboy, but I am much more into Kate Hudson’s love life, and although it’s so much shorter, when I hear the guys talking about her on sat-radio, she comes off as a huge whore, even with a paltry 13 men (come on, there are probably a hell of a lot more than that) but it is time to give it up…people’s sex lives don’t factor into being a good person. Beatty is admired, young guys think Kate is a whore, where is the justice here?

  27. Brendan said on January 4, 2010 at 1:29 pm

    There’s a great line from the song “One Headlight” by The (short-lived) Wallflowers where Jacob Dylan sings “Man, I ain’t changed, but I know I ain’t the same.” Always found it compelling and I think appropriate to your post. Many of us don’t feel any different, but so much around us has changed so much and at such a rapid pace that we haven’t quite processed it all yet.

    Not long ago globalization was this intriguing concept. Everyone read (or at least bought) “The World is Flat” but didn’t really substantiate or transalte the long-term effect. And then this wealth generating institution 100 years in the making was practically dead in less than 10. Other things we often took for granted (protection from terrorism, financial market stability) are now seen/felt in a different way and also substantiating in ways we hadn’t anticipated.

    Maybe the analogy is WE are the coyotes transplanted into this land we feel we once knew – doing some scavenging where once the land was bountiful and hunted by the things that once protected us.

    On Beatty, I have to say that “Shampoo” is such a classic flick. Worth a rent if anyone hasn’t seen in a while.

  28. moe99 said on January 4, 2010 at 1:33 pm

    Barbara Ehrenreich has a book out about how the power of positive thinking groups have undermined America. Most notably in Americans’ inability to recognize reality. What a shock.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/books/index.ssf/2009/10/nonfiction_bright-sided.html

    http://www.powells.com/cgi-bin/biblio?inkey=62-9780805087499-0

  29. 4dbirds said on January 4, 2010 at 1:37 pm

    RE Beatty. One of my favorite Roseanne episodes is where Jackie and Roseanne figure out that Jackie slept with approximately 50 men. They are both shocked at the number. Doing the math again they confirmed that if Jackie started when she was 18 and had an average of three boyfriends a year, that at her age it would be indeed 50ish men.

  30. Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on January 4, 2010 at 1:52 pm

    The odd thing about Osteen is that he does not seem to be terribly replicable. Prosperity gospel preachers are as near to the antiChrist as i want to hear, and there are too many of those, but his is a particularly odd optimism of self-regard that you don’t hear much this side of Oprah. “Give and be blessed (or healed)” is not hard to find, but it isn’t often all that optimistic.

  31. LAMary said on January 4, 2010 at 1:53 pm

    MichaelG, you’re assuming Warren only screwed one woman per day. I’m betting he had days that were more um, something, than that.

  32. John said on January 4, 2010 at 2:03 pm

    Shampoo “Now, THAT’S what I call fucking!”

  33. Rana said on January 4, 2010 at 2:25 pm

    moe99, I read Ehrenreich’s book earlier this year for a LibraryThing review, and very much appreciated it. (The rants several of my survivor friends have made about the pink-for-cancer crowd easily come to mind.)

    As came up in discussion on my blog a week or so ago, I increasingly think that our future is one of localities, rather than states or nation – it’s just too hard for people to see the effects of their decisions on a continental scale, while it’s pretty clear that when you cut the salaries of the local fire crew it’s going to be your house that burns. (This belief suggests my concerns about our ability to address truly global issues – like climate change – but it’s pretty clear that the big political entity isn’t something that’s currently functioning very well.)

  34. Jeff Borden said on January 4, 2010 at 2:48 pm

    Jeff TMMO,

    What I found arrogant about the bumper sticker was its implication that only Christians could be forgiven. I find the rapture bumper stickers similarly smug: “In case of rapture, this car will be empty.” Really? The driver is so convinced of their holiness they are certain they will be swept up into heaven?

    Maybe it’s just me. . .

  35. MichaelG said on January 4, 2010 at 2:59 pm

    I agree with Jeff Borden.

    No, Mary, I didn’t make any assumptions. I just pointed out that that the one every two day requirement would be there if you averaged the conquests out over every day of 72 years starting at birth which I’m guessing even Warren didn’t do. The practical application can have been made any way Warren wished.

    By the way, I’m neither envious nor appalled. This is amusing gossip and as somebody pointed out, an old story. There’s enough bad stuff out there to get het up about without letting this ruffle your hair.

  36. ellent said on January 4, 2010 at 3:14 pm

    You have something in common with Glenn Beck today, Nancy. During his radio show this morning, he was reminding listeners how he has had a feeling (for the last 7 years) that we are on the brink of a tectonic sociopolitical shift in America. Should I be worried when the two of you align? Start stocking up on canned goods and gold bars?

  37. LAMary said on January 4, 2010 at 3:22 pm

    I’m guessing that Warren had some very busy days, but that was the gossip back in the seventies so this is not new news.

  38. paddyo' said on January 4, 2010 at 3:33 pm

    Well, hey, let’s all just stock up on frozen beef patties. We’ll all survive the coming chaos AND die in one easy step . . .

    I think the WaPo left out a few items from its in-out list:

    Out: “Ammoniated trimmings”
    In: “Processed beef” !

    Out: “pink slime”
    In: WindexBurgers with a “streak-free shine”

    Out: Cleanliness in cattle processing (if ever)
    In: “Full lethality treatment”

    Out: old slogan: “Have it your way”
    In: new slogan: “Take the Beef Products Inc. challenge!”

  39. brian stouder said on January 4, 2010 at 3:39 pm

    You have some­thing in com­mon with Glenn Beck today

    The appropriate analogy here might be to stopped clocks – except that THEY align with reality twice a day, unlike the Beckster

  40. Deborah said on January 4, 2010 at 8:49 pm

    Here’s another nn.c health report. I went in this morning for my yearly physical and lo and behold I’m now sitting here wired to a heart monitor. Weird. Seems my heartbeat was a bit irregular. Could it be because of all the stress associated with this past year? Ya think? I only have this on for 24 hours not looking forward to sleeping with it on tonight. I’m guessing everything’s going to be OK. Quite a surprise though.

  41. Julie Robinson said on January 4, 2010 at 8:50 pm

    Around here our times are getting much more interesting, in a good way. Our son Matt just learned he will be Levi in the Civic Theatre’s Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat. Of course, he really wanted to be Joseph but it’s the first time he’s auditioned there and I know how community theatre works; you have to prove yourself dependable before you get the big parts. Which one is Levi, I wondered–he sings the song about Those Canaan Days close to the end of show. This will be fun for all of us.

  42. brian stouder said on January 4, 2010 at 10:53 pm

    Deborah – here’s wishing you NO additional heart-related surprises. And Julie, congratulations; your heart must be full.

    As for me, and further to the weirdness of the times, and the sour political culture we have just now, tonight’s “BREAKING NEWS” regards the nature of our late intelligence failure, that allowed that doe-eyed young fellow who went off half-cocked aboard that Northwest Delta flight from Amsterdam to Detroit. The thought is that the intelligence failure could have been owing to a turf-war thing between different US agencies (ala The Looming Tower), or even could have been intentional; a bit of willful political calculation designed for maximum political embarrassment (‘there will be blood’, indeed)

    We shall see (although no time soon, one guesses). Aside from allegations of actual dereliction of duty, Vice President Dick Cheney continues to rankle. That guy is a disgrace, but if US History provides any comfort (and to me, it does) – we’ve had at least one Vice President who was a worse bastard and traitor – even than our own Dick is.

    John Breckinridge went right from the Vice Presidency of the United States into the rebel army, where he lead forces into battle against elements of the United States army.

    As far as that goes – these dark stories about elements of the United States intelligence community “playing false” with us is really nothing new, either. President Lincoln became convinced that the top leadership of the Army of the Potomac was playing false – especially at the Second Battle of Bull Run. The president didn’t have the luxury of sacking the command structure all at once – because doing so could have lead to the collapse of the Union war effort.

    But, over time, various Corps commanders were weeded out (especially Fitz John Porter, after 2nd Bull Run), until finally the General in Chief got fired….and McLellan ran for the presidency in 1864, and had a good chance of winning, up ’til Sherman took Atlanta back. (Mac ended up as governor or New Jersey, but we digress!)

    By way of saying, I’ll be watching the news with interest, in the coming days. And whatever we learn (and whatever Dick says), it’s worth noting that we’ve had (and heard) worse – and from braver men than that strident coward, Dick Cheney .

  43. Dexter said on January 5, 2010 at 1:54 am

    Good post, brianstouder.
    I think Calhoun was probably the worst ever. He back-stabbed President Jackson and in the end Jackson’s biggest life-regret was that he had not hung Calhoun for phonying-up doctrines for nullification of the tariffs Congress had approved and Jackson had signed, and nearly had South Carolina seceding. This was about 25 years before the Civil War.
    What about Burr? Shot a founding father in a duel and killed him! After that he planned a new nation to be formed in the west.
    Agnew was my pick until I got a computer and began reading stuff I never was able to get out of my high school history books. I knew this stuff but I checked to see if I remembered it right. I got an “A” on my big term paper in high school on the topic of the Burr-Hamilton rift.

    All this info is available from hundreds of web pages. When I was a kid I would have had to order books from my local library, and they would have to request them from Fort Wayne, and then maybe three weeks later I would get to see the info. Pass that piece of flint so I can do my lessons on the back of this steel shovel, please. geez.
    http://texasliberal.wordpress.com/2007/07/19/burr-calhoun-agnew-cheney-who-is-worst-vice-president-ever/

  44. Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on January 5, 2010 at 8:02 am

    We heart you, Deborah!

    (Don’t know where the *heart* icon is on my keyboard, sorry.)

  45. Dorothy said on January 5, 2010 at 8:19 am

    Julie when does the show go up? You’re in the Fort, are you not? That might be fun for me to come and see. I’ve never seen a production of “Joseph”. If he just got cast in the show, I’m going to guess the show opens in March or April? Do tell!

    And Deborah? Sending lots of good, stress-reduction thoughts your way!!

  46. Julie Robinson said on January 5, 2010 at 8:47 am

    Dorothy, it’s the first three weekends in March, on Friday & Saturday at 8 and Sunday at 2. Civic Theatre on Main Street. This is such a fun show–the music just rollicks along and much of it is tongue in cheek (though pretty accurate to the OT).

    Good thoughts and prayers to Deborah as well as Whitebeard who is meeting with his cancer surgeon today and Moe in her continuing battle. Did I leave anyone out? Our little community is having too many hard knocks.

  47. Dorothy said on January 5, 2010 at 9:00 am

    I found the information by Googling. Can’t come the first weekend because we’re planning to go to Bloomington for the Indiana Heritage Quilt Show. The next weekend our daughter is coming for a visit. Maybe the third weekend if we haven’t emptied our bank account with travel funds by then! We’re going to Florida for a week in February and splitting our stay with two of my brothers, so we won’t have the expense of a hotel. Which is a wonderful thing. We’re planning to do lots of ocean fishing while there, maybe even chartering a boat since we don’t have to pay for hotels.

  48. Julie Robinson said on January 5, 2010 at 9:06 am

    It sounds like you’ve found the way to beat the winter blues, Dorothy. Let me know if you come, we’d be happy to share a meal with you.

  49. Dorothy said on January 5, 2010 at 9:13 am

    Will do!!!

  50. Dexter said on January 5, 2010 at 4:02 pm

    Deborah, good luck.