Under the sink again.

We have a saying in our house: It’s just not Thanksgiving until there’s a plumbing emergency. And guess what? It’s really and truly Thanksgiving now.

Eh, it’s not really an emergency, unless you consider it absolutely essential to have running water in the kitchen. I suspect it’s a failing faucet, nothing my husband can’t handle, but this week he is Sick, Sick with a capital S, and if there’s anything unpacking a faucet requires, it’s a clear head. I could call a plumber, I guess, but I know Alan will veto that one out of hand. He comes from a long line of men who solve their own problems. And so this problem will be solved with much cursing and misery.

We have an extra day in all this, as we both have to work on the holiday, and we’re not celebrating much until the day after, when Alan’s sister arrives, along with NN.c’s webmaster J.C. Burns, along with his plus-one, Sammy. So there’s time. But it’s dwindling.

I meant that about the plumbing emergencies. In back-to-back years, we had clogged drains, first at my parents’ and the following year at my sister’s. It was the classic Thanksgiving clog — potato peels. As I didn’t learn this until I was 35 or so, I say this now to those of you who might not know yet: Don’t put potato peels down a garbage disposal. They don’t get chopped, but slip out the vertical slots in the unit to form stubborn boluses downstream, generally about one inch past the reach of whatever drain snake you might own, and no number of goddammits will free them. You will end up calling a plumber, most likely. The plumbers’ lobby is the reason DON’T PUT POTATO PEELS DOWN THE GARBAGE DISPOSAL isn’t tattooed on every turkey, and the focus of all those tiresome Today show segments on how to eat healthy at Thanksgiving. On Thanksgiving, plumbers gather at the union hall and wait for the desperate holiday-rate calls to come in, while their wives stay home and shop online for resort wear, as they’re all headed for a warm climate as soon as the checks clear.

As for me, I have a million things to do today, and that’s without considering parent-teacher conferences, for which I should at least shower. This will be my first F2F with Mrs. Algebra, who terrifies half the class and bestowed the first B Little Miss Honor Roll has gotten in two years. Better wear the sparkly earrings.

Half the world is already phoning it in, so let’s go straight to the bloggage, eh?

And with that, a thousand sad journalists took their copy of “All the President’s Men” to the dumpster. Sally Quinn, today:

My husband and I are “Dancing With The Stars” fanatics. We plan our social life around it, often regretting invitations that fall on the night of the show. Only in emergencies would we try to TiVo.

Of all the things I could have gone the rest of my life happy not to know, it’s that Ben Bradlee watches “Dancing With the Stars” fanatically. Well, he’s an old man now.

I don’t know about you, but I cannot wait to see the Coens’ remake of “True Grit.” Cannot wait.

I’m really enjoying Salon’s Hack Thirty.

And now it’s 9:30, and I’m supposed to be dialing someone’s digits right now. So best get going.

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73 responses to “Under the sink again.”

  1. Peter said on November 23, 2010 at 9:41 am

    Our dishwasher went down for the third and, I’m afraid, final time last night. Thought we could make it till Thursday, but now it looks like yours truly will be stacking soiled items in the garage until there’s enough counter room to commence dishwashing. Joy.

    Don’t forget the laundry room sink – bigger and out of the way; just make sure you use a good strainer because take it from me, cleaning that trap out is pure joy.

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  2. Linda said on November 23, 2010 at 9:56 am

    Love the 30 hacks! They are unrolling it a little at a time, like a delicious striptease. The description of S.E. Cupp as “Real American minstrelsy” is worth the price of admission right there. But I wonder who are bigger hacks than the ones they mentioned. I can’t wait.

    My sister had her big plumbing set-to last week, in which the garbage disposal blowed up good. The ensuing flood pushed up some of her floor, too, and thing did not get back to normal for a couple of days. Wonder if she puts potato peels down there.

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  3. Dorothy said on November 23, 2010 at 10:10 am

    Our builder gave us that advice two years ago when the house was coming together, so I never ever put potato peels down the drain. Once in awhile a few slip down there, but not a huge pile. I peel them on the island on top of several layers of paper towels and then dispose of them in the kitchen trash can.

    Last year’s emergency just minutes from serving turkey dinner to 15 people was the glass baking dish that cracked into a zillion pieces with nearly all of the turkey breast I’d made the day before and was now warming to go with the big turkey, etc. We had to throw out all that lovely white meat since it was now mingling with broken glass. It was one we got from Mike’s dad’s house after he died in October last year. He was famous for his pursuit of bargains and this one came back to bite us big time. Cheap glass pans are hereafter banished from my home!

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  4. alex said on November 23, 2010 at 10:14 am

    Enjoyed the hack job on David Brooks, who’s been irritating the shit out of me lately.

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  5. velvet goldmine said on November 23, 2010 at 10:20 am

    Now, now, we all have our weak spots [cough] [ANTM]. I noticed that one of the things Ken Levine listed on his “holiday thankful” list is Jennifer Grey’s dancing on DWTS. I’m pretty sure he meant it earnestly. I don’t get ABC since everything went digital, so I am in no position to weigh in on the actual show.

    Sorry for all the acronyms.

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  6. Julie Robinson said on November 23, 2010 at 10:29 am

    Oh the mashed potato goodness of leaving the peels on, but if you peel, why not compost them?

    The Bradlees turn down invitations so they can watch DWTS live? Maybe there are some cognitive issues; I’d say time for a check-up.

    Dorothy, I am picturing that scene and remembering A Christmas Story’s visit to the Chinese restaurant. I might easily have thrown in the towel and phoned for a pizza. What perseverance!

    And happy birthday to our very own Moe!

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  7. prospero said on November 23, 2010 at 10:50 am

    I’m with Julie. Never peeled a potato, nor left skins from a baked Idaho on my plate. Buy the Yukon gold or reds and smash ’em up skins and all.

    The True Grit remake will be brilliant, and I’d like to think Ben Bradlee’s Dancing addiction is lascivious in nature. Sally Quinn’s too.

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  8. Deborah said on November 23, 2010 at 10:51 am

    I boil potatoes with the skins on and peel them after. The skins come off very easily, almost in one piece. The only problem is handling the hot potatoes while you’re doing it. I use Idaho russets which have a thicker skin. When I make sweet potatoes I roast them in the skins, then peel (very easy to do this), then mash them with butter and sour cream. I put pecans on top and put back in the oven with the turkey to stay warm.

    Julie they say the peels are where most of the nutrients are so they are better for you with the peels on. But I’m a mashed potato purist and don’t like the peels included.

    Happy birthday Moe.

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  9. Dorothy said on November 23, 2010 at 10:57 am

    Happy birthday Moe and many more to come!

    I too am not a fan of the potato skins and no one in my family would eat the mashed ones if they saw skin in there. I peel first, then boil. My mother is the one with the asbestos hands and could probably handle peeling hot potatoes, but not me. My husband was recently diagnosed as very anemic, and he’s on iron supplements and being encouraged to eat red meat, spinach, etc. Potato skins are on the list too. Maybe he’ll saute the pile after I peel about 8 lbs. worth on Thursday and have a feast!

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  10. Peter said on November 23, 2010 at 11:06 am

    I love the potato skins, but my Irish wife and her clan will have none of that. The doorman at her office building told me that the part of Ireland where her family is from is considered so backward that the saying goes they eat the potatoes – skin and all!

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  11. Jeff Borden said on November 23, 2010 at 11:31 am

    How the hell is William Kristol ranked only 17th on the Hack 30? This smug shithead, who has been wrong about everything he has ever predicted, surely deserves a Top Ten ranking. And, as Salon notes, he was one of the major boosters of SheWho, which surely counts for something.

    Any guesses as to who will be the No. 1 hack?

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  12. Rana said on November 23, 2010 at 11:31 am

    I grew up in houses without disposals, so putting things down them isn’t my first tendency. Usually I just scrape, chop, whatever into the garbage. Or if it’s disgusting rotted glop from the fridge, I flush it down the toilet.

    That said, I did learn the hard way that one of the worst things you can put in a disposal is artichoke leaves. They turn into a mass of very strong fibers that have to be cut loose one small snip at a time.

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  13. Dorothy said on November 23, 2010 at 11:36 am

    Celery falls into that category too, Rana. It’s much too fibrous to be put in the disposal.

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  14. LAMary said on November 23, 2010 at 11:39 am

    Don’t read anything Sally Quinn writes. This will make your life better.
    I have done the potato peels and artichoke leaves down the disposal and I will attest to the nastiness they both cause. Consider potato peels and artichoke leaves in the disposal in the same category as Sally Quinn’s writing. Just don’t go there. Save yourself.

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  15. beb said on November 23, 2010 at 11:40 am

    Actually the take-away from the Sally Quinn piece is that in one place in her article she boasts of having 30 votes for DWTS then later complains about people who vote in a deliberate effort to rig the ballot. I guess this means that unlike chimps and other people, she can’t see herself in a mirror.

    Potato skins. yumm.

    LAMary @14: — Word!

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  16. mark said on November 23, 2010 at 11:45 am

    For those inclined to prayer, may I suggest that you focus a few thoughts to the Korean penninsula. As an amateur “Korea watcher”, I can’t recall a time when a miscalculation or overplayed gesture is more likely, or more likely to lead to calamity and casualties unseen since WWII.

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  17. alex said on November 23, 2010 at 11:47 am

    If potato peels and celery in the disposal are Sally Quinn’s writing, then cigarette butts and tampons in the toilet trap are David Brooks’. As for William Kristol, that’s sugar in the gas tank.

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  18. Bill Eichenberger said on November 23, 2010 at 11:47 am


    Several years ago (maybe as many as 8 or 10?) the Coen brothers also optioned the rights to Elmore Leonard’s Cuba Libre, a novel starring the cowboy Ben Tyler who becomes entangled in the mess down Cuba way (USS Maine in Havana harbor, etc.) It’s a quasi-western and feature a train robbery, a prison break, etc. I’ve been dying for the Coen brothers to go ahead and make the damn movie. Not sure if their rights to it have lapsed or what. Maybe True Grit takes its place?

    Just remember a line from a recent vintage Leonard novel, Up In Honey’s Room, a so-so World War II spy novel set in Detroit near the end of the hostilities. Best scene is where the title character, a firecracker from rural Kentucky, bursts in on a meeting of a Nazi spy ring: “Zieg heil, y’all!” she says. “I’m Honey Deal.”

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  19. LAMary said on November 23, 2010 at 11:51 am

    I took the day off and what am I doing? checking work emails and watching the Today Show. Susan Boyle, the woman who proved you don’t have to be pretty to sing, is performing “A Perfect Day” with some kids’ choir and it’s weirdly grim. She looks like she’s hating it and the kids are looking like they are freezing. And there are lots of hardcore Susan Boyle fans gazing in awe. Really, the whole scene is so odd.

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  20. prospero said on November 23, 2010 at 11:53 am

    Peter, that’s indicative of gaping Irish social divide between “lace-curtain” and “shanty” Irish, and is rooted in the famine of 1845, which resulted from oppressive Brit land laws and devastated the Irish population through disease and emigration. Tell them to remember Black ’47 and eat the skins.

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  21. coozledad said on November 23, 2010 at 12:04 pm

    We just harvested a bunch of sweet potatoes. The skin is thin and fine grained so there’s no need to peel them unless you’re making a potato/coconut milk curry soup.

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  22. ROgirl said on November 23, 2010 at 12:10 pm

    I’ve cut way back on what I put down the disposal since I had to have a plumber spend about 2 hours unclogging the sink trap last year. Grapefruit rinds are a bitch.

    Oprah had ANOTHER Favorite Things show on Monday. Here’s one audience member’s account:

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  23. Harrison said on November 23, 2010 at 12:14 pm

    Always eat the peels of vegetables, because of the vitamins there.

    As for potatoes, I don’t get the big ones that people usually bake. I buy the small ones about the size of a gold/ping-pong ball with a tinge of red in their skins. I’ve heard them call Irish Reds; you might call them something else. And if that’s an ethnic slur, then I apoligise.

    I’d boil those small potatoes for about half an hour, then drain the water and cover them with butter, ketchup and/or olive oil (try it, it’s tasty).

    And I’m also looking forward to the True Grit remake. With the folks involved, it ought to be damn good. I might even go to the theater to see it; I usually don’t do that.

    And to Nancy and all the commentators here: Have a Happy Thanksgiving.

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  24. MichaelG said on November 23, 2010 at 12:26 pm

    Happy Birthday, Moe.

    Lascivious is good, Prospero. I got no problem with a couple of old letches sitting together watching that dance show.

    And if you have a septic tank rather than a sewer hook up, there are a lot of other things you shouldn’t put down the disposal.

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  25. MarkH said on November 23, 2010 at 12:28 pm

    As I posted here about two months ago, I too am anxiously awaiting “True Grit”. Not just because it’s the Coen Brothers, but because it promises to be true to the original novel, with Mattie firmly back as the protagonist. If you agree that there is subtlety in art, then this film will deliver, based on the trailers coming out. The John Wayne vehicle was more like a freight train. Hailey Stanfield appears to be a genuine find, and Bridges, Brolin and Damon can be counted on as well for top performances.

    Count me as one of the potato skin people. Having them sprinkled in the mashed variety adds to it,, imho.

    And, what mark said in #16. This latest act is very unnerving.

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  26. Connie said on November 23, 2010 at 12:32 pm

    If you have a septic tank you shouldn’t put anything down the disposal. My new house has septic and NO disposal so I don’t have to worry. And I have the coolest kitchen faucet of all time.

    I love Dancing With the Stars, though there is no one to root for this season. And I always tivo it, just to be able to skip the commercials, and the really bad guest artists on results night.

    Plan for Saturday is an early trip to Eastern Market. Will I see you there Nancy?

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  27. Rana said on November 23, 2010 at 12:32 pm

    I have issues with foods that combine chewy things with smooth textures, so no potato skins in my mashed potatoes, please. I’ll happily eat them as part of baked potatoes, but not mixed up in the mash.

    Agreeing with the Marks that what’s going on in the Koreas is disturbing.

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  28. kayak woman said on November 23, 2010 at 12:36 pm

    I learned (the hard way) not to put potato peels down the garbage disposal a long time ago. We compost stuff like that now anyway, except at our cabin on L. Superior where there are bears in the neighborhood. I have a dishwasher in my house kitchen but it hasn’t worked to my satisfaction in about 10 years. With 2-3 of us living there, I just wash them by hand. If we *ever* get around to re-doing our kitchen, I may get a new one. Or not.

    Have a great Thanksgiving!

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  29. 4dbirds said on November 23, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    Happy birthday to Moe. I hope your day is filled with joy.

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  30. Julie Robinson said on November 23, 2010 at 12:39 pm

    Backward Irish? I’m pretty sure that would be my family. Also backward Welsh and backward German. Until my parents’ generation, no one got off the farm.

    Last night as I baked banana bread I started thinking about must-have holiday foods and posed the question on Facebook, with some interesting responses. For one friend, it was rutabaga. I wouldn’t know a rutabaga if it bit me in the face, but apparently it is also known as a Swedish turnip. I don’t have any backward Swede in me.

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  31. prospero said on November 23, 2010 at 1:12 pm

    FBI’s after some hedge funds for insider trading. How were the sacrificial lambs chosen from all of the scam artists and institutionalized tax cheats? And lest we forget, hedge funds make up a large portion of the “small businesses” that the GOP thinks will be damaged by letting the Shrub cuts ride off into the sunset.

    A Terry Gilliam movie in the making, and mayhem will ensue.

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  32. Snarkworth said on November 23, 2010 at 1:18 pm

    Not only should you eat the peels, you should drink the liquid you cook veggies in. Pot liquor, it’s called. My grandmother raised three hungry boys in Idaho logging camps and didn’t need a garbage disposal.

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  33. prospero said on November 23, 2010 at 1:20 pm

    Joe Miller is contesting 8,159 specific votes for Murkowski. He lost by more than 10thou. Great math skills , you idiots. But, if you’re intent on wasting Demented’s money, you go. To quote Randy Newman and refrain from calling Joe an Ahole:

    Jesus, what a jerk.

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  34. Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on November 23, 2010 at 1:25 pm

    Made bashed neeps, as Robbie Burns would say, for dinner last night. Found my bedding in the garage, so I don’t advise making turnips for the ones you love if you want them to keep on loving you.

    (Roasted, mashed with garlic also roasted, sour cream and herbed cheese, vigorously mixed. Didn’t help, because son said “I say it’s turnips and I say the heck with it.”)

    So I’m even gonna try rutabagas. I’ll just do a few more brussels sprouts in the oven Thursday and count on eating most of them myself.

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  35. prospero said on November 23, 2010 at 1:53 pm

    Apparently, Marilyn liked Thanksgiving.

    Norma Jean’s stuffing recipe.

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  36. Jolene said on November 23, 2010 at 2:04 pm

    As kids we learned to eat baked potatoes by first scooping cutting the potato in half and scooping out the shell. That way you could put butter on the potatoes and more butter in the crisp skin, which, after buttering, would be pressed together and eaten out of hand. Needless to say, this hardly seems polite now–not to mention healthy–but that doesn’t mean I don’t do it when I’m eating by myself.

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  37. MarkH said on November 23, 2010 at 2:29 pm

    I cannot believe I mangled that fine young actress’s name, after earlier reading so much about the film. HAILEE STEINFELD. Sheesh…

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  38. Jeff Borden said on November 23, 2010 at 2:35 pm

    Regarding the remake of “True Grit,” I do hope they keep the line delivered by Robert Duvall to John Wayne, after the Duke has declared his intention to either kill or capture the outlaws: “I call that bold talk from a one-eyed fat man.”

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  39. Sue said on November 23, 2010 at 2:54 pm

    I usually don’t pay attention to discussion around here when it turns to new cars, so maybe you haven’t talked about the Chevy Volt. Apparently Rush took issue with Motor Trend about the car and Motor Trend, not being a Republican politician, didn’t know that they are required to apologize.

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  40. paddyo' said on November 23, 2010 at 3:26 pm

    Hey, Nance, if they’re tossing copies of “All The President’s Men,” it would be into the Dumpster, with a capital D, wouldn’t it? Don’t want to risk one of those annoying trademark violation letters, do you?
    Or did the Dempster Brothers lose that fight a long time ago?
    Oh well, I got one of those schoolmarm-lecture letters once from “the world’s largest manufacturer of daylight fluorescent pigments” for not upper-casing DayGlo when referring in a news story to hotly fluorescent color. I think I may even have hyphenated it. Oh, the hor-ror.

    Regarding that delicious Salon Hack 30:
    Ann Coulter and Michelle Malkin qualify, right?
    And Peggy Noonan, anyone?
    I’d make them all top 10’ers. Plus, there are too few women in the mix so far.
    Oh yeah, Maureen Dowd, too. And does She-Who get on the list, now that she’s bloviatin’ an’ commentin’ as well as reality-TV-in’?

    Not that female commentators will ever corner the commentary bloviation market. Let’s face it, men are far more reliably gas-baggy . . . like, say, Sean Hannity and Bill O’Reilly, and of course, Keith Olbermann.

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  41. Kirk said on November 23, 2010 at 3:44 pm

    I suppose Cal Thomas is too old to be on a hip, Internet-style hack list, but — what a hack.

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  42. MarkH said on November 23, 2010 at 3:45 pm

    HACK 30 — I am with Jeff B. Why is Kristol only at 17? And then they put Roger Simon at 13?? The writer doesn’t even make a good case for it. Coulter and Malkin will clearly be in the top ten, but that’s just too easy.

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  43. Kath said on November 23, 2010 at 4:39 pm

    I’m picturing Sally Quinn and Ben Bradlee sitting at home in Grey Gardens watching “Dancing with the Stars.” I think the house is starting to rub off on them. Soon they’ll be feeding racoons in the attic and Sally will march around in her revolutionary costume of the day.

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  44. Jeff Borden said on November 23, 2010 at 5:35 pm

    Sheesh. George Will at 11 of the Hack 30? They make a good argument for his placement there, but I would slot a mendacious prick like Kristol before this bow-tied blowhard. Kristol has made a lot more mischief in recent years than Will, though I’m thrilled Salon called out Will for his hackery when writing about baseball. Ugh. He is awful.

    Now I fear the “doughy pantload” will be in the top 10, which will only cause his ego to expand more rapidly than his waistline. But Jonah Goldberg doesn’t move opinions in the way a slicker shark like Kristol does on a regular basis.

    I cannot see Ann Coulter at No. 1. She’s sooooooo 1990s and the coven of crazies on the right have made her look almost reasonable these days. Could it be Peggy Noonan in the top slot?

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  45. Dexter said on November 23, 2010 at 6:12 pm

    I did it. Fuck yes I did. And I put a dent in my forehead like that witness-killer did on Boardwalk Empire in episode 10, but I hit myself because I had done tha same damn thing 15 years ago and somehow forgot it…until the sink was totally plugged. I too snaked and wiggled, thought of every possible fix, then paid the plumbers to come and unclog the thing.
    While I had indeed clogged it with potato peels earlier, this time I absent-mindedly tried to dispose of about a cup and a half of cooked rice. Like A Chunk Of Cement. D’OHHHH ! SLAP ! Head dent.

    I never watch game shows or reality TV, and especially not AI or DWTS, but damn, if you look at a TV you cannot help but catch a glimpse of young Palin,and I asked my wife is she too thought Palin reminded her of the 1950s and 1960s comedian (comedienne in those days) Totie Fields. No, she said…but I was serious. I wasn’t even trying to be funny or cruel, not me, who never passes the biscuit basket without making it lighter.

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  46. Jean S said on November 23, 2010 at 6:21 pm

    This here thread would be why I don’t have a garbage disposal. I feel no need to help our local plumbers buy their next fishing boats.

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  47. MarkH said on November 23, 2010 at 6:25 pm

    Dexter — Snookie and Totie Fields, maybe. Bristol, not so much.

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  48. brian stouder said on November 23, 2010 at 6:27 pm

    Kath – I caught Ms Quinn on Book TV a few months ago, talking about her book about throwing successful parties. Actually, I suppose it was recorded, from several years ago; nonetheless, I found her to be charming, and I’d like to read her book (Checking – Amazon has it for under $11…or, it appears to be free from the uber-google-meister)


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  49. Catherine said on November 23, 2010 at 6:41 pm

    The saying in our house is similar: “It’s not a major holiday if the disposal’s still working.” DH’s rule of thumb is, if you have any second thoughts at all about sending it down the disposal, don’t. Hate to admit it, but he’s right.

    Jeff, your turnips sound ab fab but I don’t think even Fedex could get them here before Friday.

    Here’s a question: is the fact that I have 6 projects due between this week and next a sign that the economy is improving, or just one of those things where clients want everything wrapped up by December 1 so they can spend the month shopping online?

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  50. moe99 said on November 23, 2010 at 6:50 pm

    Thanks all for the bday wishes. I got the day off from work, courtesy of a record snowfall. Got up and discovered that the cold had frozen my hot water tank. But not before Max, the 80 lb arthritic black lab had gone down to the basement and taken a dump and couldn’t get back up the stairs. My back is killing me. So I was outside with my hair dryer and an extension cord for a half hour and my feet frozze. But once back inside it has been putter heaven. And I have to note that ever since the City of Seattle instituted free composting, I don’t have a clogged kitchen sink.

    Oh, and in preparation for the new True Grit, I got the old one to show my 20 year old son. Half way through he turned to me and said, “This movie sucks, Mom.” Just the sensibilities of the younger generation…But frankly, it was pretty bad. Even with all the star firepower.

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  51. Deborah said on November 23, 2010 at 7:16 pm

    The weather has taken a turn towards winter here in Chicago. Yesterday it seemed to be in the 60s and rained cats and dogs. This morning it was 28 and windy. It’s 35 now. Brrrrrrrr. Not to sound to Facebook like.

    I saw Sally Quinn a few months ago on the Joe Scarborough morning show and she looked kinda frumpy. I remember her as being quite sophisticated so I was surprised. But age will do that to ya. And Kath thinking about the Bradley’s sitting around Grey Gardens feeding the raccoons is a stitch. I’d forgotten that they bought that place and renovated it.

    A good post and comments today as usual.

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  52. prospero said on November 23, 2010 at 7:43 pm

    If you can’t, you are kinda stupid. Who doesn’t not know how to fic this shit. When people are talking about Joe, how about that babe in his office? He’s supposed to be personna not investigated because he’s a freaking
    Reublican? Dead girl in his office. I don’t think there’s anything to this, but republicans are out and out assholes. Bon’t see that? You are a bumch of this shitheels that will lie forever. When it comes down to revolting shits ying about everything.l Here’z the deal.

    thre people that want you to tu
    /urn into zombies. shoot these assholes in the head.

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  53. prospero said on November 23, 2010 at 8:37 pm

    Everything under the sink is so easy you all should shut the hell up. Can you fix it? If
    you can’t, just shut up.

    I can fix it. BFD.

    How is it even remotelely difficult. I find this annoying. I brought this idea about the
    coens and this movie up a long time ago. Nobody paid attention. It’s ano brainer. T/he Cohebs are almost as smart as Terry Gilliam.

    /They couod almost make a movie that remotely approached the pure brilliance of Brazil. Well, yeah. That would be raising Arizona.

    Dead girl? That would be Joe Scarborough, and he has not come clean.

    Look y’all. One time, My brother Mark and I were in a seriously bad accident. I thought he’d died but I applied direct pressure, He was my brother. I was not going to let some thing happenn ro him. No joke, you assholez,

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  54. moe99 said on November 23, 2010 at 8:56 pm


    Present, Nancy.

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  55. Deborah said on November 23, 2010 at 8:57 pm

    See this is what I mean, calm down prospero you’re being rude again.

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  56. brian stouder said on November 23, 2010 at 9:17 pm

    Well, Prospero, I bet Thanksgiving at your crib will be a glittering affair!

    Aside from that, let me just disagree with the consensus about the Coen Brothers. For my money, any movie that David Lynch makes is a sure-thing. He has some gratuitous violence, and some suitably beautiful naked women; and also, a certain ethereal sensibility that appeals to me. Quentin Tarantino does this, more often than not, too. But while the Coen brothers have the gratuitous violence down, and that’s about it for them (to me).

    Speaking of movies, Sunday the 15 year old and I went and saw the movie The Other Guys; the commercials were funny, but it should have been Clue One, when the thing landed in the dollar movie so quickly. Will Ferrell and Mark Wahlburg have their moments, and Samuel L Jackson pretty much steals the first 10 or 15 minutes of the movie, before making an abrupt (and funny) exit. (in hindsight, they wasted his talents – but you’ll have that).

    So there you have it; I have NO TASTE AT ALL!! The Coen brothers are as pearls before swine, when it comes to my benighted powers of perception. What do I care!! No joke – You assholez!!

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  57. Jolene said on November 23, 2010 at 9:32 pm

    Sorry to be late in wishing you a happy birthday, Moe. It’s not like I didn’t have plenty of reminders. Hope that the good news you’ve had lately means that you have many more birthdays ahead of you–even if you don’t want to admit to them.

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  58. brian stouder said on November 23, 2010 at 9:48 pm

    What Jolene said, Moe!

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  59. Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on November 23, 2010 at 10:08 pm

    Brian, have you seen “Raising Arizona” or “The Big Lebowski”? (OK, there were the nihilist toes, but still, not that violent.)

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  60. nancy said on November 23, 2010 at 10:11 pm

    “The Big Lebowski.” Recognize.

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  61. MarkH said on November 23, 2010 at 11:02 pm

    Tarantino over the Coen Brothers? Sorry, Brian, no go. The exceptions being Jackie Brown, and OK, From Dusk Till Dawn. Even Pulp Fiction, after the opening scene, held little interest for me. Take Jeff(tmmo)’s advice. Lynch, you bet. “Lost Highway” is a personal favorite: Robert Loggia’s roadside vehicle safety rant; every scene with the bizarre Robert Blake stand out. I was surprised to learn while watching some old Siskel & Ebert shows on YouTube that Ebert hated Raising Arizona, and disliked the Coen Brothers until Fargo. Didn’t even like Miller’s Crossing. Can’t find the clip now, but here, he writes about RA.


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  62. MarkH said on November 23, 2010 at 11:14 pm

    We have been having winter arrive in no uncertain terms this week in Jackson Hole. Currently a break in the blizzards. The one that started Sunday ended just this afternoon. The next one is in late tomorrow through Friday, with nightime temps down to -20 by Weds. night, barely above 0 during the day. At least it’ll be cold enough to keep Cheney out of here for a while.

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  63. prospero said on November 23, 2010 at 11:37 pm

    If you like some Bono bullshit better than this, you are a rock and roll illiterate and an idiot.

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  64. basset said on November 23, 2010 at 11:37 pm

    I have never seen Dancing with the Stars, nor do I care to. Here at the Basset place, though, we do watch the Big Joe Polka Show on RFD-TV most Saturday nights.

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  65. Dexter said on November 23, 2010 at 11:51 pm

    On the satellite radio show I listen to , yesterday a topic was “best scene in a movie”. Man, people called in with the damndest scenes. The winner appeared to be the “Can I have one of those Chesterfields now?” scene, also known as the Walken/Hopper scene from True Romance, and that is a great one. I nominated the diner scene from Midnight Cowboy, where Joe Buck sees Ratso having a coffee, and Joe Buck goes crazy with revenge on his mind, and Ratso Rizzo calms him down by offering a salvaged cigarette butt. The improvised “I’m walkin’ here!” scene was too short. Yep, that taxi cab was supposed to wait until Dustin Hoffman and Jon Voight had crossed the Manhattan street, but he got antsy and got himself into the Oscar winning movie of 1969.
    The Coens and Tarantino and David Lynch are all great film makers. I love them all. Now, as far as hearing them talk, give me David Lynch any day. He is mesmerizing.

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  66. Rana said on November 24, 2010 at 12:06 am

    A belated happy birthday from me, as well. Somehow I missed it between the discussions of plumbing and potato peels.

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  67. nancy said on November 24, 2010 at 12:39 am

    Many thanks for that, Moe. Hope your birthday was all you wanted it to be.

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  68. Dexter said on November 24, 2010 at 1:11 am

    I keep hearing one theme regarding True Grit. This is a movie that takes nothing at all from the first film. The Coens’ movie is derived from the book alone. As the profile nance linked stated how the Mattie character is now truer to the “book Mattie”, the rest of the film is also.

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  69. prospero said on November 24, 2010 at 4:11 am

    Lebowski was alright and quite entertaining if you were smoking pot, Nance. Starman was a better movie by a mile. Making the deer get up and walk from the redneck pickup? And the music is gorgeous. A truly great love story. Spectacular performances, and, I think, a profound love story. Happy ending, too. Like Bladerunner and Brazil. Maybe.

    I’m on board for everything the Coens cook up. Intelligence is hard to come by. I personally think “Raising Arizona” is about as good as you get. Son, You have a panty on your head. and Give me that baby you warthog from hell. The final moments of Raising Arizona, when HI dreams into the future? They no everything is fucked up. but they think it might turn out alright. That’s not a bad way to look at things.

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  70. prospero said on November 24, 2010 at 4:53 am

    You are so wrong about Detroit music. Iggy, we thouayt he as joke. They couldn’t play. On the other side, you had guys like wayne kramer

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  71. alex said on November 24, 2010 at 7:43 am

    Belated have a happy to moe.

    Can you believe they rank MoDo 8 ahead of Laura Ingraham and Peggy Noonan at 9 and 10?

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  72. coozledad said on November 24, 2010 at 8:19 am

    Happy birthday Moe!
    I’ve been youtubing some of the “Power of Art” series, with Simon Schama. It’s annoying and mesmerizing at the same time. Could be I’ve just forgotten how to watch television.

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  73. brian stouder said on November 24, 2010 at 8:59 am

    Best movie scene? When Dorothy sings “Over the Rainbow” in black and white, in the first 5 minutes of Wizard of Oz, and breaks your heart; at that point, the hook is set and you have to watch the rest of the show. Or, when Harry Morant’s defense attorney make’s his impassioned summation at the end of the courts martial of Harry and the others in Breaker Morant (gives me goose bumps when he snaps the book shut, every time; maybe it is the Australian accent). Or, in The Right Stuff when Chuck Yeager takes his test plane up and up and up, while (elsewhere) a feather dancer dances in a spotlight, and flutters and almost shows her goodies, just as Yeager catches a glimpse of stars in the noonday sky – only to then fall and fall and fall and fall, to the dessert floor. Or, when Clint Eastwood tells the near-sighted young gun wannabe that “we all ‘have it comin’”, in Unforgiven; etc etc etc

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