The day we don’t labor.

Hey, all.

In honor of the spirit of Labor Day, not much of a post today, but a link to a very nice Labor Day column by Brian Dickerson, the only columnist worth reading in the Free Press. If y’all looking for tips on how to write a personal column with a larger point, read this little gem — fewer than 500 words, simple, sincere.

Albom could take a lesson, but he won’t.

Happy Labor Day, all

Posted at 12:21 am in Media |
 

37 responses to “The day we don’t labor.”

  1. Dexter said on September 3, 2012 at 12:54 am

    Labor Day, 2012. I was so damn proud when I left a job in a metallurgy lab to join the UAW forty years ago come November. I worked a little over thirty years as a union member. I took time to read about the history of all unions , especially the UAW in the Unites States.

    And my daughter just bought a new Kia Sorrento. She had the common decency to explain to me why the Kia won her over from the Ford she had almost settled on…price. Consumer satisfaction rating, too. I drove it…sweet vehicle. The vehicle is made in Kentucky she said. Union made meant nothing to her.

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  2. Prospero said on September 3, 2012 at 8:01 am

    Man bitten by crocodile during toilet break; organs found in storage locker. Link at the bottom of the page on that Dickerson column.I’m kinda frightened to look. Gotta say, though, I think a gator would kick a crocs ass every time. Malevolent intelligence.

    When my dad waas Chief of Peds at Metropolitan Hospital, he was buds with the UAW guys. He introduced me one day to Walter Reuther. And my dad, smartest and best educated guy I ever knew, was clearly in awe of that guy. If America is exceptional, Union leaders had a major part in making it so. Now there are morons willing to vote for a fool for President that denigrates cops and firefighters and teachers because they are union members. And like his wife, Willard never worked a day in his life.

    What Mr. Reuther did was to force the guys with the cash to acknowledge who actually made the money and did the work. If the world has turned into a hedge fund world, I pretty much think, “Fuck that.”

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  3. Prospero said on September 3, 2012 at 8:14 am

    Did Ayn Ryan say a single thing that was true in his convention speech? One single thing? I mean, holy shit what a lying SOB. How does he get away with that shit? Seriously. A single true thing? It is beyond comprehension that the assholle can get away with that.

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  4. Prospero said on September 3, 2012 at 8:19 am

    Seriously, how does that ahole get away with it?

    http://comics.washingtonpost.com/11_editorialcartoons_mike-luckovich.html

    Gawd, what a lying dick.

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  5. Prospero said on September 3, 2012 at 8:37 am

    GOP. What they stand for.

    http://wordsmith.org/words/images/apostrophe_large.jpg

    Way clever abuse of the apostrophe.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXP_pr7np-o

    Can people get stupider? I kinda doubt it.

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  6. Prospero said on September 3, 2012 at 8:51 am

    The crux of the biscuit is the apostrophe.

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  7. Prospero said on September 3, 2012 at 8:54 am

    Alleged Murricans that don’t get the importance of organized labor in building this country are assholes. That seems pretty much incontravertible to me.

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  8. Linda said on September 3, 2012 at 10:19 am

    Marched in Toledo’s Labor Day Parade with my union, and got to shake hands with Sherrod Brown, a truly fine politican.

    As for Lyin’ Ryan, his 20 year old young buck self actually did a slower marathon than she-who did at 42, with a passel of kids under her belt. If I were him, I’d lie about it, too. I’d actually die of shame and be done with it.
    http://www.politico.com/blogs/click/2012/09/palins-marathon-time-beats-paul-ryans-134141.html

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  9. Prospero said on September 3, 2012 at 11:39 am

    Sherrod Brown is somebody I support ,monetarily. Seriously, anybody got a clue an one word that dickhead aaif that might be remotely true? Did he introcuce himself? What a fracking liar. Spectacular performance. Nonpareil. I mean it takes some serious balls to lie like that.

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  10. Prospero said on September 3, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    Sherrod Brown is somebody I support ,monetarily. Seriously, anybody got a clue an one word that dickhead aaif that might be remotely true? Did he introcuce himself? What a fracking liar. Spectacular performance. Nonpareil. I mean it takes some serious balls to lie like that. But that asshole doesn’t understand Ayn Rand is full of shit., and about as anti-American as you can get. That isn’t the way we think.

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  11. basset said on September 3, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    Eleven responses so far, eight by Prospero and progressively less coherent. A little ahead of the recent average, he’s been running about thirty percent of the total, but then again it is a holiday.

    Dexter, we would definitely consider a Kia ourselves, particularly once our recently graduated Basset Jr. finds a real job… but your daughter may be thinking about Toyota when she mentions Kentucky, Kia’s US plant is in Georgia. Right now, we’re driving a Kentucky-made Toyota and an Indiana Subaru, previously had a Tennessee Nissan. I believe all of those are non-union plants.

    My only first-hand union experience came my first couple of years out of school, in a completely useless NABET local. This was at a TV station, the production guys and engineers were all traditional union work to the rule types and mainly just got in the way while we were trying to cover the news.

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  12. Joe K said on September 3, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    Interesting reading.
    Pilot Joe

    When I was sitting in the Tampa Bay Times Forum last week listening to the crowd roar for Paul Ryan and Condoleezza Rice, I had one thought:

    This could be trouble.

    It’s never a good thing when someone other than your presidential nominee creates the most memorable moments.

    Remember when Sarah Palin upstaged John McCain four years ago? Or when Barack Obama generated more excitement than John Kerry in 2004?

    In both cases, the nominees lost.

    And I’m just not sure Romney’s 37-minute, passionate yet nonspecific speech will go down as this convention’s most memorable moment.

    Heck, it will probably be Clint Eastwood and that odd empty chair.

    The Republicans have a challenge in that their nominee isn’t the guy a lot of them wanted. He was simply the last guy standing.

    Still, I believe Romney has a solid chance to win for three reasons.

    •The economy stinks.

    •The varnish is off Obama.

    •Florida may decide the election. And this state continues to vote more conservatively than its Democratic colors suggest.

    Going forward, both campaigns can improve — by sticking with what got them this far. And by telling the truth.

    For Romney

    Romney should run on the economy — not some manufactured nonsense about Obama hating America.

    If America votes on the economy, Obama loses. Period. And not only does the economy reek, Obama flat-out failed to deliver what he promised.

    But Republican strategists don’t seem to think that’s enough. So they have trumped up claims that Obama doesn’t believe in the American dream.

    Those were actually the words of RNC Chairman Reince Priebus as he opened the convention, saying he believes Obama “has a problem with the American dream.”

    South Dakota Sen. Senator John Thune told delegates Obama “condemns achievement.”

    And Staples founder Tom Stemberg claimed Obama doesn’t even view America “as a country of opportunity.”

    The intended message seemed to be: He’s different from you, you know.

    There’s a niche market for that narrative. But it’s not among the moderate and undecided voters — the ones who will decide this election.

    It’s fair to say Obama’s policies are wrong or that he failed to deliver. But you’re not going to win over working moms by claiming Obama hates the American dream. It simply lacks credibility.

    Romney also needs to get his running mate in check.

    Most of the headlines Paul Ryan made last week involved his bending and omitting the truth.

    First Ryan blasted Obama for opposing a debt-reduction plan that Ryan himself opposed as well.

    He also tried to scare the dentures off old folks by telling them Obama wanted to cut $716 billion out of Medicare. First of all, that’s supposedly what Republicans want: to cut entitlements. Second, Ryan proposed the same thing.

    Ryan is quickly eroding his reputation as a serious-minded fiscal hawk. And if he continues to generate “Ryan takes factual shortcuts” headlines, he’ll become more of a liability than asset.

    For Obama

    Obama and the Democrats have their own set of challenges to overcome this week in Charlotte.

    They need to find a way to reignite Obama’s cult of personality.

    That’s hard when you’ve seen the man behind the curtain and all his flaws — and when much of America is still unemployed.

    Romney had a powerful line when he said: “You know there’s something wrong with the kind of job he’s done as president when the best feeling you had was the day you voted for him.”

    Obama should get back to what made him popular: espousing optimism and specific plans for making things better.

    He also needs to show off his accomplishments instead of letting his opponents define his record for him.

    Obama should get the business owners whose companies were saved by the stimulus to speak up. He should tap those reaping the benefits of his health-care reform.

    Obama has a wicked challenge in that, even though polls show Americans don’t like “Obamacare” as a whole, they really like parts of the plan individually. He needs to remind them what those parts are — and that things such as coverage for pre-existing conditions could vanish if it’s repealed.

    What Obama must stop is attacking Romney at the expense of truth.

    Respected fact-checking groups such as Politifact have concluded that Obama distorted several issues, including abortion (incorrectly saying Romney opposes it even in cases of rape and incest) and Romney’s role at Bain Capital (blaming Romney for things that happened after he left the company).

    Obama has the potential for scoring points on both topics. But just like the Republicans, he took it too far.

    In general, both candidates need to get back to their roots and telling their own success stories.

    They both have them. They’re both effective.

    And unlike a lot of the other muck they’re throwing around, they’re both true.

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  13. Chris in Iowa said on September 3, 2012 at 2:40 pm

    Joe, that is perhaps the best post I’ve ever seen from you in this forum. I agree with nearly everything you said.

    I think the Republicans will have one problem when it comes to campaigning on the theme that the economy sucks and Obama failed to deliver. Both of those points may very well be true. But enough of the moderate and undecided voters — the folks who will determine who wins — are going to remember Mitch McConnell and the others vowing to do whatever they had to do to make sure Obama was defeated in 2012. And they will remember the gridlock that followed.

    That may be enough to sink Romney even if those voters aren’t as crazy about Obama as they were four years ago.

    To me, Romney just doesn’t seem like he really wants the job.

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  14. Dexter said on September 3, 2012 at 3:09 pm

    basset…I knew Hyundai and Kia are the same corporation’s brands, and I knew of the Hyundai plant in Georgia, but I did not know the Kias were also built in Georgia, but of course you are right. I have driven by the Georgetown plant in Kentucky where they make Toyotas, and by the Lafayette, Indiana Subaru plant, and by the Nissan plant in Smyrna, Tennessee. A friend from where I worked went to the Nissan plant to apply when the place started up. He was hired but hadn’t officially quit his Dana job yet back in Indiana, and when he saw what he was going to do for a living working for Nissan, he quit there and came back to Indiana. Something about hard work and getting along with others, and all the kanban and kaizen stuff.

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  15. deb said on September 3, 2012 at 3:28 pm

    To get back to Labor Day for a moment, that was a nice column, Nance. Not a big fan of the first-person narrative, but Dickerson demonstrates how to make it work — by finding the common thread readers can relate to, so it’s not ALL about you. Not one of Mitch’s strengths, alas. Slide, Brian, slide.

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  16. Joe K said on September 3, 2012 at 3:38 pm

    Chris I wish I could write that well. I posted that from the Orlando paper but I thought it showed both sides. Hopefully a few unnamed posters on this sight will read it but I think it will be dismissed as worthless right wing drivel. I just wonder what happens if Rommney wins the popular vote and Obama wins the electoral? It very well could happen.
    Pilot Joe

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  17. Sherri said on September 3, 2012 at 4:09 pm

    I would say that it’s impossible to distort Romney’s position on abortion, because it’s impossible to nail down Romney’s position on abortion. He’s pretty much run the gamut from pro-choice to pro-life, depending on what he needs to say to get elected. Mostly he doesn’t want to talk about it right now, because his base wants no abortion no how no way, but that’s not going to win him any extra votes. So he tries to pretend that it’s “settled law,” and that it’s not meaningful that any Supreme Court nominee he names is a vote to gut Roe (or worse, Griswold.)

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  18. Prospero said on September 3, 2012 at 4:30 pm

    Joe, returning to the Shrub strategy, as Willard has said he’d do, is obviously fracking looney. That bullshit is what caused the problems in the first place. Since Obama was elected, GOPers have gone overboard to mess thinks up worse. Her’s the deal. They all signed on to the Norquist pledge. Article III, Section 3, that is outright treason, and I see no reason not to hang the bastards. It’s actually fracking obvious. Willard’s stated plan it to go back to the Shrub idioct that caused the probllems in the first place, How could anybody devise a stupider plan?

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  19. Prospero said on September 3, 2012 at 4:48 pm

    Has anything remotely like Obama’s economic plan been giben the slightest chance?Not fucking remorely. Willard’s plan, Back to Shrub. Seems to me that fucked up bigtime. Seriously stupid idea. Trickle down means normal people getting pissed on, And I’ll be the tabanger that says it.Y’all can let the Koch’s screw us all over, but I’m not willing to. I also believe that being a citicen means standing up for my fellow citizens and helping them when they need a hand because Dick Fracking Cheney screwed the economy so Haliburton and Enron could make money. That ain’t the USA..

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  20. Prospero said on September 3, 2012 at 5:00 pm

    Joe, the majority of people that don’t like Obamacare don’t like it because it isn’t single payer, so that argument is stupid as grunt. I mean, seriously. And most of those people actually see that ACA is an obvious improvement over what came before.

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  21. Suzanne said on September 3, 2012 at 5:18 pm

    Joe, that was excellent. I’m one of those middle of the roaders. I would most likely have voted for McCain last election, but once he pick Mrs. Looney Tunes for his running mate, I switched sides. Romney is doing the same thing and has lost any chance he had of pulling me to his side.

    The bits and pieces I heard from the GOP convention did not include any plan to make things better, but consisted mainly of career politicians with deep pockets trying to convince me that they are just like me and that the government, which has given them a paycheck all these years and allowed them access to the rich and powerful, is a bad thing for me (but obviously not for them). They also seemed very desperate to convince me that if I loved God, then I’d have to love them because there simply isn’t any other choice.

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  22. Linda said on September 3, 2012 at 5:35 pm

    Suzanne, what the Republicans have argued is what they have argued for 30 years: if you let more capitalism happen, your life will get better. If Republicans cared about anything besides power grabbing, they would be worried about this: that the argument of more capitalism making your life better is not being accepted. People have really stopped thinking that capitalism will ipso facto make our lives better. They aren’t ready to start whistling the Internationale, but now, they don’t believe capitalism is anything that matters to them in a positive way.

    OTOH, there’s people like my brother. His life is definitely better than it was 4 years ago. He works in closed area/hazmat work in southeastern Michigan, and was destitute 4 years ago. Now he works all the hours he wants. He would be living in a refrigerator box now if Obama didn’t bail out GM and Chrysler. But he will vote Republican this year, as always, because they put down all the people that he resents. Riddle me that one.

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  23. Charlotte said on September 3, 2012 at 6:17 pm

    Yesterday we had some post-rain breeze and the smoke cleared off — this morning, woke to a smokey valley. But cool at least all night — lovely and cool and coyotes hunting all night up above the cabin. Then since we’re both contractors, some working on Labor day …
    Don’t know if you all can get into Facebook to see these, but pretty amazing how the firefighters saved structures. Five houses and some outbuildings lost:https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.504594116236514.128826.106610909368172&type=1
    Also, a terrific story about a hiker, who after a long hike (10? 15 miles?) looked down to his truck, a mile away, and turned around. Went all the way back, and subsequently wasnt’ burned up:http://www.livingstonenterprise.com/content/hiker-escapes-pine-creek-fire
    Now going to fire up the grill for a festive buffalo burger Labor Day dinner …

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  24. brian stouder said on September 3, 2012 at 6:56 pm

    Here’s a tremendous Labor Day article

    http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20120902/NEWS03/309029942/0/SEARCH

    The mostly older, whiter, male crowd that wears seed company and/or John Deere ballcaps might think twice before they attack the “you didn’t build that” sentiment.

    Nugget that I did not know, during the drought of 2012: Crop Insurance is taxpayer subsidized. (I guess I should have suspected that, but I didn’t know. Or maybe we’ll have a similar disagreement with the poster hereabouts who wants to say that FDIC doesn’t use taxpayer money – ignoring that the FDIC would not exist, absent the full faith and credit of the United States government – ie – taxpayer money…but we digress)

    Lots of smug fellers with buzz haircuts can just STFU about “Food stamp president” (etc) – even leaving aside that food stamps themselves are indeed a USDA subsidy, too.

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  25. Catherine said on September 3, 2012 at 7:11 pm

    Charlotte, that story of the hiker was brilliant. He was so understated and classically Western: “Yeah, I had that potato salad when I got home. Sure was good.” Reminded me of my Colorado uncles.

    Woke up to smoky air in Pasadena this morning. Fire well east of us in the mountains, near pretty Crystal Lake. Welcome fall, or as we call it in California, fire season.

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  26. Julie Robinson said on September 3, 2012 at 7:41 pm

    Linda, I’m glad your brother is doing better, because refrigerators don’t come in boxes anymore. At least ours didn’t–it came shrink wrapped with styrofoam frames at the corners. No box for the neighbor kids to play with!

    In sad news, gentle giant Michael Clarke Duncan has died at the too-young age of 54, of heart disease: http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/obituaries/green-mile-actor-michael-clarke-duncan-dead-at-54-following-july-13-heart-attack/2012/09/03/5ccf4806-f610-11e1-a93b-7185e3f88849_story.html?tid=sum_facebook_washingtonpost

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  27. Prospero said on September 3, 2012 at 7:56 pm

    One way or another, if the mofos claim they built it, they are lying in their teeth. Hedge funds don’t build stuff. They also don’t create jobs.

    Most of those scads of folks using food stamps, they were put there by Shrub W. Bush. And as a taxpayer, I will say. Eat hearty, and glad I could help.

    The problem now is that GOPers are incapable of telling the truth:

    http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/02/everybody-does-it/

    Fascinating how the farm subsidies were part of the New Deal. Didn’t the new deal only give money to black folks?

    Food stamps are intended to subsidize farmers as much as they are intended to feed people.

    And those firefighters at Pine Creek? Willard wants to fire them. He likes firing people.

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  28. Prospero said on September 3, 2012 at 8:34 pm

    What in God’s name was Brokaw talking about describing Ryan’s speech as “overreaching”. I know the guy has a hard time with Ls, but shit Tom, that was fracking lying like it was going out of style.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiiE-h9ZYag

    Does the asshole not know any better? Shit, the lying was monumental. How would anybody vote for a lying POS like that? Astounding. I do try in life to tell the truth in general. This wasn’t duplicity, this was flat out lying his ass off. Ayn Ryan’s performance was spectacular in its untruthfulness. No shit. I cannot remember a politician lying so bigtime since Milhous said “Your president is not a crook.”

    In trying to mitigate the mostrousness of Ryan’s bulllshit, Tom Brokaw has rendered himself a pitiful hack forever.

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  29. Linda said on September 3, 2012 at 8:37 pm

    Julie, now I’m REALLY happy the auto industry got saved. My brother is a big guy, and would never fit in a styrofoam corner.

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  30. Prospero said on September 3, 2012 at 8:40 pm

    Astounding this bastard could get away with that shit:

    http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/health/health_stew/2012/09/we_didnt_ask_for_health_reform.html

    This ahole can’t tell the truth about anything:

    http://news.yahoo.com/ryan-says-misstated-marathon-claim-195513357–politics.html

    Seriously, who’d vote for such a serial fracking liar?

    Astounding. Asshole needs a beating.

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  31. Joe K said on September 3, 2012 at 8:47 pm

    http://michellemalkin.com/
    Pilot joe

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  32. Joe K said on September 3, 2012 at 8:54 pm

    AboutContactArchivesRSSColumnsPhotos

    Michelle Malkin
     
    JOHN KERRY: MARATHON MAN

    By Michelle Malkin  •  October 8, 2004 02:01 PM
    Before I take up the amusing little matter of whether John Kerry’s claim of having run the Boston Marathon is true, let me share some relevant personal background:
    I am married to a long-distance runner. As any similarly situated spouse or significant other will tell you, runners are statistics freaks. Over the course of our 11-year-marriage (and nearly three years of courtship beforehand), I have had to listen to the stories behind every race and notable run my hubby has undertaken–from the fun runs he ran as a kid to every college steeplechase race to every community 5k and 10k race he has run in Los Angeles, Seattle, and the D.C. area. I have had to hear time and again about the training regimens before the races, the weather conditions on the day of each race, what was eaten before each run, and, of course, the times of each run.
    But that’s not all. Runners aren’t only obsessed with their own times and performances. They’re obsessed with everyone else’s times and performances, too. My hubby, like most serious runners, is a font of running trivia. Want to know what the splits were for the winner of the Chicago Marathon in 1985? Or who the most recent American distance runner to win an Olympic medal was? Or the name of the first female finisher in the Boston Marathon in 1980? You get the idea.
    So, anyway, the b.s. detector of my husband and many other runners went crazy when Kerry told sports reporters that he had run the Boston Marathon. This is a significant athletic achievement, if true. There is no official record of him having run, however, and the November issue of Runner’s World reports that “he doesn’t recall his time…”
    No record of him having run? That means that if Kerry ran, he did so unofficially. In the running community, this is considered a major no-no. Unofficial runners do not pay to run (the costs involved in hosting a marathon are not trivial); they have a tendency to line up at the starting line ahead of registered runners; and they increase the likelihood of error in the recording of finishing times of registered runners. Running unofficially at Boston in the 1970s or 1980s would have been an especially egregious breach of runners’ etiquette because it was the nation’s most prestigious race and entry was limited to those who had met a tough qualifying time.
    Doesn’t recall the year he ran? It’s possible, but the year of the race could easily be inferred from details Kerry should be able to remember. If he ran in 1977, he would remember the heat (nearly 80 degrees). If he ran in 1978, he would probably remember hearing about the close finish (two seconds between first and second places). If he ran in 1979, he would remember the cold, drizzly weather (40 degrees) and the American Records set by the winning man and woman. If he ran in 1980, he would definitely remember the Rosie Ruiz scandal.
    Doesn’t recall his time? As I say, runners remember everything. And they never let you forget it either.
    Football Fans for Truth has more here. Blue States for Bush weighs in here. And Eric Zorn, Chicago Tribune columnist, had these thoughts on his blog:
    My nose began to twitch at Kerry’s apparent inability to recall the year of his first marathon–a very unlikely memory lapse given the intensity of the training experience.
    If Kerry really ran this race, then Hillary Clinton is telling the truth about being named about Sir Edmund Hillary. The claims are equally incredible.
    Meanwhile, President Bush’s impressive running record is here. 3:44:52 for the Houston Marathon. Whew! How do you like them apples, John?
    Update: Reader Blaine Alvarez-Backus, who is himself an accomplished marathoner, writes:
    [Y]ou’re spot-on about runners. I’ve done Boston, New York, Chicago, LA, Vermont, Twin Cities, Houston, and a bunch of smaller marathons to small to even mention, and I can remember the weather, what I wore, how I felt and what my times were. Kerry might have run the first 5 or 10k of Boston, but he sure as hell didn’t run it, or even run a qualifying time in either a half-marathon of a full marathon for it!
    Most of my readers agree that running the Boston Marathon as a bandit would be improper.

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  33. basset said on September 3, 2012 at 9:07 pm

    Dexter, didn’t mean to be nitpicky about the location of the Kia plant… there are Asian auto plants all over the South, I have been inside the Tennessee Nissan plant several times and a few of their suppliers.

    I have told this Toyota story here before but I will throw it out again… when Toyota announced the Georgetown, Ky. plant I was a TV news reporter in Nashville and got assigned to that event so we drove up there and just about the time they were going to pull out the golden shovels for an official groundbreaking grip & grin picture in the middle of a big bare field the sky opened up and everyone who could jammed under a big marquee tent to get out of the rain.

    The chairman or president or some other big hat of the Toyota hierarchy was there to make the announcement, forget who he was exactly but his name was actually Toyoda so he was way up in the food chain. His interpreter was a stocky little Japanese guy with a flattop haircut, thick glasses and a perfect suit; I ended up next to him in the huddle under the tent and thought I would be sociable so I said something to him along the lines of “Well, how ’bout it?” or maybe “How ya doin’?” He looked puzzled and responded in perfect British-accented English:

    “Excuse me?”

    I explained that it was a non-specific friendly greeting, his brain almost visibly went buzz-click and filed it away, he smiled and we were fine after that, made small talk till the crowd eased up a little and he went off to do his job. We did too and drove the three hours home in the rain with wet and muddy feet.

    Eight or nine years later we bought a Camry made in that plant, still have it and expect to keep it for years to come.

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  34. Prospero said on September 3, 2012 at 9:32 pm

    Ayn Ryan didn’t get called out for his claim that “nobody”asked for” ACA.

    Here’s who asked for it, you lying sack of shit:

    American Medical Association (physicians)
    Federation of American Hospitals & Catholic Health Association (hospitals)
    AdvaMed (medical device industry)
    The Business Roundtable (business)
    National Federation of Independent Business (business)
    America’s Health Insurance Plans (insurance industry)
    Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (drug industry)

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  35. Prospero said on September 3, 2012 at 11:07 pm

    The guy is a maniac fracking liar. I don;t lie. I think it’s a foul thing to do. Lookit this shitheel. Somebody’s gonna vote for this ahole? Serious liar. Totally amazing.

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  36. Kaye said on September 3, 2012 at 11:23 pm

    Joe, as a runner what are your thoughts on Ryan’s mis-remembered time? He finished with a respectable time, seems he would remember it. Maybe since he’s (apparently) only run one marathon it is not important to him. Not much chance of me completing a marathon but, boy if I did I think I would remember my time – forever.

    BTW – I appreciated your previous entry from the Orlando paper. There is room for improvement on both sides. Here’s hoping there are fewer lies in the speeches we hear this week.

    Suzanne, your thoughts on being a middle-of-the-road person are encouraging. Thanks for sharing them.

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  37. Jolene said on September 3, 2012 at 11:47 pm

    Linda, I’m glad to hear, too, that your brother is doing better, but it sure makes me sad that someone who profited so directly from Obama’s actions would now vote against him. Doesn’t surprise me, exactly, as there seems to be a lot of that going on, but it does make me sad.

    Joe, I thought the piece you posted from Orlando was good too, but didn’t appreciate your statement about it being summarily dismissed by most nn.com participants. If your view of our fairness is so dim, why bother to participate at all?

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