Happy Thanksgiving.

From the look of the comments Tuesday, the holiday weekend is starting early, so I’m wondering if anyone is even reading. So what the hey, let’s call it a weekend. I hope you all have a great one, wherever you are. I notice it’s snowing in Ohio, storming in the south, and pretty much more of the same here — cold and overcast.

However it is wherever you are, I hope your bird is juicy, your stuffing tasty, and your gravy free of lumps.

To discuss: A drive-by shooting in Amish country. Of a horse.

Posted at 12:30 am in Same ol' same ol' |

83 responses to “Happy Thanksgiving.”

  1. MichaelG said on November 27, 2013 at 2:11 am

    Weather here is great. Low 40’s night to sunny low 60’s during the day.

    That shooting is very sad. Especially since the poor loyal horse apparently brought its family home before dying. The listed crimes carry penalties of what? Six months at the county farm? A year’s sentence suspended?

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  2. Brandon said on November 27, 2013 at 2:29 am

    Happy Thanksgiving to you too.
    –Brandon (not Danny, nor anyone else but myself).

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  3. linda said on November 27, 2013 at 4:07 am

    I’m reading. Also working the weekend.

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  4. Big Dave in CC said on November 27, 2013 at 7:25 am

    Most people think Thanksgiving means giving thanks to some god. That’s all well and good if you’re so inclined. But I think it might be better to give thanks to those persons who have made a difference in our lives during the past year. So since I read your blog about everyday and you have given me information, insight, a different point of view, and laughter; I say thank you Nancy and happy Thanksgiving.

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  5. beb said on November 27, 2013 at 8:45 am

    Disgraced journalist Laura Logan, whose 60 minutes Benghazi piece encompassed just about everything wrong with modern reporting – single sourcing the story, no fact checking – has either been allowed to take a leave of absence or has been suspended by CBS, depending on which news report you read. When Dan Rather was caught running a story that had substantial verification, he was fired and three exes above him were fired as well. At the least Logan should have been fired as well. Meanwhile people (read conservative pundits) are unhappy that Martin Bashir has not been fired. For saying what…? For saying that Sarah Palin’s comparison of Obamacare to slavery was out of line because slavery was a pretty nasty situation. Which he proved by reading a passage from a diary of a slaveowner about how he punished a runaway slave. That involved whipping him, rubbing salt into his wounds and finally having another slave defecate on his face. Bashir didn’t say he wanted to shit in Palin’s mouth, to my knowledge, but that if she continues to make foolish and inappropriate comments comparing Obamacare, or anything else, to slavery, she ought to experience what it was really like being a slave. To the extent that shit comes out of her mouth every time she opens it, perhaps eating some would teach her to stop being such an asshole. But since Bashir was trying to educate Palin and not simply abuse her, I think his apology is sufficient.

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  6. brian stouder said on November 27, 2013 at 8:53 am

    What Big Dave in CC said; thanks very much for all that you do for us, Nancy. I almost always get my laugh(s) of the day here, and often repeat* some tidbit that I picked up here.

    And Beb: agreed.

    *with the all-purpose citation “I recently saw where…”

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  7. Peter said on November 27, 2013 at 9:11 am

    Well, I’m holding the fort down today, so I’ll be trolling for laughs.

    Beb, what really gets me angry is when lightweight pseudo intellectuals say something provocative on purpose, then rightly get called on it, then whine that the lame stream media is so meeeeean to meeeee!

    Have a great thanksgiving.

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  8. nancy said on November 27, 2013 at 9:22 am

    Ah, when Jeff Borden and I were young…

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  9. Heather said on November 27, 2013 at 9:24 am

    That 80s link is making the rounds. Not sure all of them are aging gracefully but at least they are still alive! (Except for Malcom McLaren.) That is something to be grateful for this Thanksgiving. Hoping everyone’s turkey turns out perfectly and that the wine flows generously.

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  10. LAMary said on November 27, 2013 at 9:52 am

    My brother, Class of ’63, told me Debbie Harry showed up for her 50 year high school reunion.

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  11. Deborah said on November 27, 2013 at 9:53 am

    Peter Gabriel was the one that shocked me.

    Happy Thanksgiving to all.

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  12. coozledad said on November 27, 2013 at 10:10 am

    When I was a kid, I wanted to have that Gabriel look. Now I do.

    We both look like industrial arts teachers.

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  13. nancy said on November 27, 2013 at 10:20 am

    I think they stretched the definition of “new wave” quite a bit, too. I don’t put Wham! in that classification, certainly.

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  14. coozledad said on November 27, 2013 at 10:27 am

    Yeah. I always thought of Kate Bush as a sort of outsider artist, at least in the sense of being on the margins of whatever was trending.

    I guess XTC hate each other too much to be photographed together. You wonder how that can be when they all still live in Swindon.

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  15. Basset said on November 27, 2013 at 10:44 am

    Reminds me of Robert Fripp’s comment about looking like a “defrocked priest.”

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  16. alex said on November 27, 2013 at 11:11 am

    Glad to see Debbie Harry looking soft-focused rather than nip-tucked. She still has that same vixenish scowl she was wearing on that album cover where her face was pierced through and through with meat skewers.

    Happy thanksgiving and thanks to NN.C. and all who frequent here (well, almost all).

    Getting ready to make a baked mac & cheese with chicken and green chiles for tomorrow’s potluck. My deep freeze is full of Hatch chiles from about a year ago—here’s hoping they’re still flavorful.

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  17. Judybusy said on November 27, 2013 at 11:57 am

    Thanks for the 80s link—working at home today, so my music-mad sweetie could enjoy it too. Duly shared on FB.

    I’m thankful for my adorable wife, some of my family, my chosen family of friends, my financial security, my garden, my animals, and that I have fresh running water at the touch of a tap. Thanks, of course, to all of you at NNC who have created a wonderful community. I pretty much read the post every day, and the comments unless work is busy. Mondays and Tuesdays are busy because I have a social work intern with me those days. It’s such a delight to teach a bright young person. So, I’m thhankful for her, too.

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  18. Charlotte said on November 27, 2013 at 12:15 pm

    Debby Harry’s high school boyfriend lives in Livingston — still a musician. I don’t really know him, but my Chuck does … Scotty toured with her on several of her first bands.

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  19. Scout said on November 27, 2013 at 12:19 pm

    Of course we’re all going to stop by nn.c to wish each other a Happy Thanksgivukkah! I’m looking forward to our annual Thanksliving event at our favorite vegan restaurant in Tempe followed by dessert and wine with the in-town daughter, grandkids and extended in-law family later on. Then on Friday we’re off to Sedona for an overnight that will include some hiking, lots more eating and a few holiday kick off events at Tlaquepaque. Thanksgiving is my favorite holiday; I think it’s because it is the festive kick-off of the magic of Christmas with all of it to look forward to and without the let-down that usually occurs for me on Christmas Day when, crap, it’s all over already!

    Loved the 80’s link. The only thing that would have made it better would have been pics of how they looked in their heyday.

    Have a Happy Holiday, one and all, even the trolls!

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  20. Scout said on November 27, 2013 at 12:24 pm

    Oh and PS – I really am digging the new Pope.


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  21. coozledad said on November 27, 2013 at 12:24 pm

    Well here’s Kate in her heyday. She was a stunner.


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  22. beb said on November 27, 2013 at 12:41 pm

    The galley of 80s rockers was fun. I’m not sure all of them have aged gracefully but some have more than others. I particularly liked the pic of Billy Idol, who has not aged well, but has aged exactly as you’d expect him – all knarly. The lone member from Frank Goes to Hollywood was funny because he looks like some banker in that suit. Adam Ant likewise looked painfully middle-class in his suit. Devo always was kind of professionals moonlights are rockers so their array of suits seems totally them.

    My best wishes to those of us who have to travel. And I’m thrankful to Avedon Carol to first directing me to this site.

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  23. MarkH said on November 27, 2013 at 12:53 pm

    Happy Thanksgiving to you all! I am thankful for all the positive things in my life as well: health, family, basic comforts. Also thankful for Nancy’s site and all the discourse from which all of us can be enlightened every day.

    Weather is cold and clear here, +10 at night, not above 30 in the day. No new snow in the forecast for at least a week. Hope everyone’s travels keep them out of the bad weather and safe. We’ll be 30 miles south in Alpine with the daughters and their families tomorrow, so it’s all good.

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  24. paddyo' said on November 27, 2013 at 12:53 pm

    And generally, the women appear to have aged better than the men! Thanks for the Thanksgiving gift — and thanks to Proprietress and Commentariat for fine and reliable reading all year long. I learn something new here every day.

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  25. Prospero said on November 27, 2013 at 1:14 pm

    When did Thanksgivukkah becaome a thing? And what the hell is it?

    That is a stretch calling some of those people New Wave. Peter Gabriel is a god of progressive rock, what New Wave allegedly rebelled against. The picture I like best is Gary Numan’s. Paranoid as ever. As for XTC, I don’t think they’re on the outs with each other so much as they hate having their pictures taken; a brilliant band with career truncated by severe stage fright, The photo of Squeeze makes me wish for a reunion tour, but I guess that’s Up the Junction. At least they still look like a bunch of mischievous rascals, like the heroes of their songs. Calling Kraftwerk New Wave is hilariously dumb. And glad to see Nena is still “looking pretty in ashes that were once a city”. The Big Country phot is sad, because Stuart Adamson killed himself years ago. I play Big Country CDs frequently. Stuart was a superior singer to Bono and a better guitar player than David Evans. Annie Lennox and Aimee Mann, still beautiful. Siouxie Sioux still frightening. But where are pictures of Chrissie Hynde and Martha Davis, the real babes of New Wave. Why didn’t anybody ever stage Cabaret with Deborah Harry? A natural.

    Would everybody agree that reducing existing nuclear stockpiles and promoting nonproliferation are two important goals of world governments? Despite the knee-jerk ravings of GOPer “because Obama” critics who spoke against the Iran deal without knowing anything about it, curtailing nuke proliferation is obviously a good thing. The politicians criticizing the deal doan know shit about the subject, so they resort to idiotic Neville Chamberlain comments, a subject about which they also reveal themselves as ignorant. Where is the Sudetnland in that fractured fairy tale analogy? How is letting the Irani’s have access to $7billion of their own money appeasement? Because Obama.

    It’s a somewhat novel thought in the age of Teabanging Talking Heads, but this is clearly a time and a subject for listening to people that actually know what they are talking about instead of grotesque
    political hacks like Ted Cruz or John Cornyn.

    Pope Frankie is right. Trickle down doesn’t.

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  26. Prospero said on November 27, 2013 at 1:14 pm

    And happy Thank Bokonon Day to everybody. Nice, Nice, Very Nice, Also not New Wave. Richard Butler looks like Ray and Dave’s big brother. P-Furs, now that is new wave, John Hughes notwithstanding.

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  27. Maggie Jochild said on November 27, 2013 at 1:20 pm

    My morning routine: At 8 am my fabulous attendant Tammi arrives. I take off my BiPAP mask, read my sugar and down the morning meds as she drains my Foley bag. Neither of us are morning people, so a single “Hello” suffices. Next, of course, comes Feeding The Cats, who are fidgeting impatiently, one of them on my chest. Then Tammi starts breakfast while I take insulin, check for letters from my sweetheart (in England and already at work), turn on the vitamin D light for half an hour, and hit the internet.

    I have an A-list of sites that give me pleasure and/or substance to read. They are perused in this order: XKCD; ANIMALS TALKING ALL IN CAPS; BagNewsNotes; Hullaballoo; Brilliant At Breakfast; WTF Evolution; Clients From Hell; and final treat, NN. I get to raptly read Nancy’s musings and links while enjoying breakfast, and digest it while reading the always interesting comments. By that time, I feel prepared to face the day, whether it’s PT, nursing visits, begging for social services, or actually finding the energy to write.

    I try to live in daily gratitude. It’s a necessary counterweight against the fury of poverty. I am deeply grateful for all those in my generation who have refused to succumb to cynicism, isolation, and shame, and who still find a life’s meaning in Making Things Better For All Of Us, however we an manage it. I am grateful each month for making rent on time, having a phone line and electricity (I have often gone without those three), for enough to eat and it not being entirely processed crap, for the unpredictability of cats and the unbelievable competence of some social workers & caregivers.

    I am lucky beyond words for those who love me, who love me over time and across barriers, who accept my not-so-buried damage and make me laugh. I know to the average stranger, I look like a Lifetime movie gone horribly wrong, with the worst of endings, but most days, I am in fact happy. Pain and want can, for long minutes, be ignored. In my life, imagination has metabolized as endurance.

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  28. Scout said on November 27, 2013 at 1:27 pm

    @ Prospero re Thanksgivukkah: here you go: http://bangordailynews.com/2013/11/25/living/thanksgivukkah-two-holidays-collide-for-first-time-in-100-years/

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  29. Prospero said on November 27, 2013 at 2:20 pm

    Martha Davis. Cancer survivor. No autotune, no double tracking. Just a gorgeous voice.

    The undisputed queen of New Wave. Pretenders switched odd time signatures like Dave Brubeck.

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  30. Brandon said on November 27, 2013 at 2:30 pm

    With a quick look at Google News, I find that the Northeast storm could disrupt the Macy’s Thanksgiving Day parade. And that the Detroit Lions are favored to win against the Green Bay Packers.

    Shinola is back. http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2013/11/25/shinola-launches-buy-america-drive-makers-monday/

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  31. Judybusy said on November 27, 2013 at 3:57 pm

    Maggie leaves the best for last, clearly!

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  32. Prospero said on November 27, 2013 at 5:01 pm

    Soul Dressing. Great Thanksgiving Day song from Booker T. and the MGs, the greatest studio backup band ever, with apologies to the Funk Bros.

    And some taters to go with that.

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  33. Sherri said on November 27, 2013 at 5:37 pm

    I’m thankful my daughter is home from school, and crossing my fingers that her bus gets back through the pass before the snow hits on Sunday!

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  34. Prospero said on November 27, 2013 at 5:56 pm

    Happy Thanksgiving, Granny-starving Old Party.

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  35. Charlotte said on November 27, 2013 at 6:15 pm

    I can’t quite believe I’m saying this, but I’m thankful for a pope who appears to be an actual Christian and who put this quote in his first encyclical: “The worship of the ancient golden calf has returned in a new and ruthless guise in the idolatry of money and the dictatorship of an impersonal economy lacking a truly human purpose. The worldwide crisis affecting finance and the economy lays bare their imbalances and, above all, their lack of real concern for human beings.”

    And for a forum like this one to share oddball things as the days go by … thanks everyone!

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  36. Minnie said on November 27, 2013 at 6:20 pm

    I love Thanksgiving. Food and found family.

    Tomorrow we’re gathering with friends down in the semi-country. Perhaps at dusk we’ll hear the owls in their backyard. Today I listened to Dylan, jazz, and blues while braising a huge pot of kale with bacon, onion, and garlic and will make cornbread early tomorrow for that get together.

    Friday morning I’ll concoct a Moosewoodish salad of two kinds of rice, dried fruit, orange, and scallions, accompanied by a little rosemary and sage from the garden for the second group feast. Some of the younger members of that set are vegan. Now what kind of music shall I listen to while cooking for that?

    Wishing all here plenty to be grateful for and agreeable companions.

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  37. LAMary said on November 27, 2013 at 6:22 pm

    I am thankful for my sons, whose support and eloquence and courage has helped me move from depression and fear to optimism and balance. I’m also very thankful for my oldest friends. The ones who love and support me and know me better than I know myself.

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  38. Brandon said on November 27, 2013 at 6:53 pm

    And for a forum like this one to share oddball things as the days go by … thanks everyone!

    Yes. And for the beautiful weather we’ve been having lately.

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  39. Deborah said on November 27, 2013 at 7:58 pm

    Tomorrow we are forgoing the traditional fare, no turkey or dressing or sweet potato. We’re having butternut squash ravioli that we make from scratch. We bought 2 presses to make the ravioli that will make it much easier than the last time we did it by pressing the dough together with forks, I got a blister from that. We’re having 2 young women guests, friends of my daughter’s who are living here far from family. We’re also having that brussel sprout salad with kale but adding dried cranberries and pepitos (roasted pumpkin seeds) to the bacon, red onion and mustard dressing to make it a bit more traditional. For dessert we will have pumpkin pie with a choice of whipped cream or cool whip topping (I choose cool whip, a quilty pleasure). I’m so thankful for my current life, getting the best of both worlds, in the dry, crisp air of the mountains with the unending sky and alternately in the bright lights of the big city by the lake, with my lovely daughter and talented husband in each place.

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  40. Jolene said on November 27, 2013 at 8:34 pm

    As others have said, I count this community among the many things I’m grateful for. At the risk of corniness (and possibly repetition; not sure whether I’ve posted this before), am posting the link to a Thanksgiving proclamation issued by Connecticut governor Wilbur Cross in 1936. The prose is old-fashioned now, but still lovely. It’s hard to pick a favorite phrase, but “the labor of every kind that has sustained our lives” picks up the sense of community and appreciation for each other that we feel here.


    Enjoy. And google Wilbur Cross for more about him and a link to a recently discovered video of his 1938 proclamation.

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  41. Little Bird said on November 27, 2013 at 9:39 pm

    I’m thankful I get to spend this holiday with family and friends. And that the awful neighbor with the demon children has moved away. Like Deborah said, it will be somewhat traditional flavors, in a not so traditional manner. It should be good! A day of laughter and good company and conversation. I look forward to it!

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  42. Dexter said on November 27, 2013 at 11:10 pm

    Hell, I never even heard of some of those 80s people. I did most of my concert-going in the wild 70s anyway, mostly chasing Crosby, Stills and Nash around the Midwestern venues.
    In the 80s I did take a carload of my daughter’s friends to see Huey Lewis and The News in Fort Wayne, and in 1983 I took our oldest daughter and a friend to Pine Knob, Clarkston, Michigan, to see INXS open for Men at Work. That was one helluva show. I can freely admit that like many thousands of my generation, the 80s were mostly a blurry loss, a decade lost in the fog. I came out of that sick atmosphere early in the 1990s and never even wanted to go back to that crazy life.

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  43. basset said on November 27, 2013 at 11:44 pm

    I was too old for New Wave the first time around and don’t recognize most of those people or their songs – agree with Pros that Kraftwerk were a long way from New Wave, though. And one look at the mortal remains of Rick Wakeman is enough to put you off wanting to see a similar set of 70s performers.

    Usually I fix some kind of semi-traditional Thanksgiving dinner with one of those Tofurkey footballs for Jr, turned the whole thing over to him and Mrs. B this year though. Seasonal depression kicked in a little earlier than usual and I’m just fed up with the holidays already; a walk through Publix grocery and Walmart this evening looking for last-minute vegetables and trying to block out the goddamn Christmas music was bad enough but ten minutes in the wine store pacing up and down the same shelf because everything looked the same was the real sign that yes, it’s that time of year again and if I can make it through to the first week of January without doing something really antisocial I will consider it a victory.

    Mrs. B. can’t lift anything heavy any more so I did put the turkey in the brine for her, guess that and loading the dishwasher will be my contributions to the festive meal; tomorrow morning while the turkey’s cooking I’ll either be in the woods or in bed with the door shut, depending on the state of my hangover when the alarm goes off at four. Just on my second glass of Chilean red now, though, and it’s past ten-thirty so I suppose I should step up the pace.

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  44. Deborah said on November 28, 2013 at 12:23 am

    Just back from seeing “All is Lost”. I really liked it but my husband thought it was Robert Redford grandstanding. The theater we saw it in was outstanding, great big screen and fabulous sound. It is part of the Santa Fe University of Art and Design film school, I have gone too long not knowing about this place. Glad I found it.

    Take it easy Basset, we appreciate your participation here. And yes, I should definitely add that I’m thankful for nn.c and all of you folks.

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  45. basset said on November 28, 2013 at 1:29 am

    Probably said too much, sorry about that.

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  46. Sherri said on November 28, 2013 at 2:25 am

    It’s okay, basset. I know how you feel. I don’t like holidays much either.

    On a lighter note, I got a kick out of these pictures:http://www.laravisual.com/old-finnish-people-with-things-on-their-heads/

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  47. Bassett said on November 28, 2013 at 9:34 am

    Eighteen degrees when the alarm went off this morning, I’m not quite that hardcore at this point in the season

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  48. basset said on November 28, 2013 at 11:11 am

    No hangover to speak of but the temp was eighteen degrees when the alarm went off this morning, my buddy who hunts the same property said it was twelve out there. I decided to spend the morning trying to get our antique Coleman stove going in order to boil the flesh off the skull of the deer I got last week. Googling “how to clean a deer head” gets some interesting suggestions, including soaking the head in a bucket of water for a few days then taking it down to the local car wash and blasting the rotten flesh off with the pressure hose.

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  49. Minnie said on November 28, 2013 at 11:13 am

    Hang in there, Basset. Turn on a lamp, build a fire. In only 23 days the world will begin turning toward the light.

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  50. Minnie said on November 28, 2013 at 11:17 am

    Sherri, thank you for these deeply rooted images.

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  51. Deborah said on November 28, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    Basset, we actually did that with some cow and horse bones we found in New Mexico, not the boiling part but the blasting with the pressure hose at a car/truck wash. We got lots of funny looks from people there to was their vehicles.

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  52. basset said on November 28, 2013 at 12:42 pm

    Hmmmm, that’s different… tried a post from my phone, didn’t look like it worked so I tried again from the computer later, at the time I posted the second the first hadn’t shown up yet. It’s a mystery.

    Googling around for some Coleman stove rebuild directions produced the site of someone who has way too much free time… look at the irons and imagine what it would have been like to use them:


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  53. Joe K said on November 28, 2013 at 1:16 pm

    Flew to Charlotte Wednesday to deliver a fire bottle for the airlines, in the sun all day. Got home around 6pm. Busy @clt. Up early today, 10 mile run with my daughter, want to get close to your kid? Try running with them, just finished the bird and now watching the packer & lions.
    Good times.
    Pilot Joe

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  54. MichaelG said on November 28, 2013 at 1:16 pm

    Happy Thanksgiving all!

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  55. susan said on November 28, 2013 at 2:17 pm

    Basset @52, regarding the gas irons: Hey, no damned cord to get in the way! These look like they’d be less of a hassle in that respect.

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  56. Hattie said on November 28, 2013 at 4:01 pm

    Let us give thanks today, so that we do not have to give thanks on any other day!

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  57. MarkH said on November 28, 2013 at 4:22 pm


    Earthlings Punked as ISON a No-Show.


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  58. Prospero said on November 28, 2013 at 4:28 pm

    Loins 40 – Packers 10. Another massacree.

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  59. LAMary said on November 28, 2013 at 4:42 pm

    My spatchcocked turkey is in the fridge with herbs, lemon and mustard tucked into the skin. the pie crust is chilling, the cornbread for the stuffing is baked and the stock for the gravy is simmering. The kids’ dad texted them last night to tell them to come to his house for Thanksgiving. He hasn’t seen or spoken to them in months and although I don’t have much good to say about him, he is their dad and they should see him. I’ve offered to put the meal on hold. It’s actually at a point where that’s not too bad. We can eat this Thanksgiving dinner tomorrow. Right now the boys are weighing their options.

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  60. Prospero said on November 28, 2013 at 6:27 pm

    Susan@52: I’d like a top nitro iron. I might not hate ironing so much then. Luckily, I live with a woman that actually likes ironing, in the manner that I like mowing grass. Tops in mindless.

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  61. coozledad said on November 28, 2013 at 7:13 pm

    I actually like ironing, but if you don’t get out much, there’s no need for it.

    I’d even gotten to the point where I could iron the darts in a vintage dress shirt.

    I have a couple of irons, a proof press, a couple of sets of movable type, two horse drawn mowers, a couple of bucksaws and a bunch of scythes. The scythes, being the most primitive of the lot, are the ones I’m most likely to use.

    Obsolescence eats finicky stuff the quickest.

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  62. coozledad said on November 28, 2013 at 7:15 pm

    And that’s my Andy Rooney for awhile. I hope.

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  63. LAMary said on November 28, 2013 at 9:03 pm

    Since I don’t have to do much ironing I don’t mind it. It’s sort of satisfying. When it was my job to iron the shirts of three very tall brothers, a very tall father, and all the sheets and pillowcases it wasn’t all that satisfying. The sheets went through the mangle, which we’ve discussed here before.

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  64. Deborah said on November 28, 2013 at 10:30 pm

    Delicious meal has been consumed. I will say that making ravioli from scratch is a royal pain, better than the first time we tried it, but still very tedious. There must be a better way. After dinner we saw the movie “The Human Scale”, a documentary about how much of a total failure urban planners have made of megacities today. Probably not of interest to the general public but we found it quite fascinating. My daughter and her two friends have gone galivanting out in the city for some other than AARP entertainment, who can blame them.

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  65. Dexter said on November 29, 2013 at 3:21 am

    We had a very nice day in Toledo, Ohio, where my son-in-law deep-fried a turkey and also did extra turkey white meat and mac&cheese in the smoker. It was great seeing our little 2 year old toddler granddaughter. The new super-highway, US 24, makes our trip to Toledo, near the Michigan line, a breeze, so easy, no little town speed traps, 70 mph , quick trip. Home safe, now it time to really think about battling Old Man Winter.

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  66. Brandon said on November 29, 2013 at 3:58 am

    Alex, what led you to conflate my identity with that of Danny’s? Especially considering that I don’t recall posting anything political, and usually discuss pop culture and Hawaii, where I was born and live.

    21.alex said on November 26, 2013 at 1:34 pm

    It’s Brandon and Danny who are one and the same. mark’s a libertarian crank from around these parts.

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  67. brian stouder said on November 29, 2013 at 11:40 am

    This thread has been hugely engaging; Maggi Jo – you go! And Basset – no such thing as an overshare around here, really. Dex – that new ‘Fort to port’ highway is definitely something; but the Hoosier Heartland thing is ‘more screwed up than Channel 4’ – at least as it currently exists at Logansport.

    Mary – what did the fine young sons end up doing?

    And Brandon – it was my fault for alleging that mark was really Danny, thus starting the whole stupid (and essentially wrong-footed) thing. Whenever I post anything anywhere, at any time, it’s under my own name (what the hell, let’s keep it simpler for our friends the super-hero/wannabe subcontractors like Snowden, right)

    Anyway, the women have all run off to town (L-port), and the young ladies and I are about to saddle up and go for some icy-cold Diet Pepsi, and see the hurly-burly.

    Here’s hoping all y’all are having a pleasant Thanksgiving holiday – and thanks to Jolene for the marvelous links.

    And Cooz – what are “darts in vintage dress shirts”? I just read an article about a new Bonnie and Clyde show (they’ll never top the 1967 one) – and it went on about the vintage clothing that they will wear – including “single breasted jackets” – which sent me onto a mission to learn the difference between single-breasted and double-breasted jackets. Still a somewhat slippery distinction (so to speak) – but, as they say, whatevah!

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  68. Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on November 29, 2013 at 11:55 am

    Not quite darts (kinda like pleats), but my sister on Indiana Public Media in her work at IU relating to fashion; she made yesterday’s dinner for the siblings, and I’m making T2 for my in-laws today, then down to the Circle for the lighting ceremony at 7:45.


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  69. Deborah said on November 29, 2013 at 12:07 pm

    Skinny jeans for me, nothing else feels right. I’ve liked pants that fit tighter around the ankle for ages, I’ve never really like big flowy pant legs. I buy cheap jeans from Old Navy in black or dark blue, that’s all I wear these days. I like to wear boots with my jeans tucked into them.

    We’re going to Abiquiu today, one of our neighbors out there is having a big gathering for the entire hood. We have lots of issues to discuss.

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  70. Basset said on November 29, 2013 at 12:35 pm

    Carhartt bib overalls for me at the moment.

    Did you all think that was an overshare there awhile back? My concern was thT it was just too depressing… which is pretty much how I roll this time of year.

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  71. Julie Robinson said on November 29, 2013 at 1:31 pm

    Basset, I think we have a pretty open forum here, and I didn’t consider it an overshare. I’ve written before that I also suffer from SAD, and nothing, including antidepressants, has worked for me except light therapy. Here’s a Kickback Lounge enabled link to one similar to what I have: http://www.amazon.com/Philips-goLITE-BLU-Therapy-Device/dp/B001I45XL8/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1385748889&sr=8-9&keywords=sad+light. It’s $120, but they start at $45. For me, it’s a miracle worker.

    As for skinny jeans, I’m old enough to remember when they became fashionable at the end of the 60’s, but our little town didn’t have any, so we all took in the side seams. We’d make them just wide enough to get our feet through. The kids today have the advantage of lycra, but I do wonder sometimes how they manage getting them on.

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  72. LAMary said on November 29, 2013 at 1:41 pm

    The fine young men decided to make a short visit to their dad’s house and be back by 7:30 for turkey with me. They were a little late. There was a lot of traffic, but it all worked out fine. The spatchcocked turkey was excellent. The apple crostada was very nice and will definitely be a recipe I’ll use again, and the cornbread, bacon and sage stuffing was outrageously good. A pound of bacon went into it. Come to think of it a pound of butter went into the crostada.

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  73. beb said on November 29, 2013 at 1:47 pm

    If it weren’t for Carhart I don’t know where I’d buy my clothes.

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  74. Dexter said on November 29, 2013 at 3:26 pm

    Turkey hash today for lunch. Meat picked from a deep-fried leg and thigh, skin too. Two small potatoes peeled and diced into cubes. Stir-fried low, using EVOO to keep from sticking.
    20 minutes. Add chopped onion, half cup. Cook over medium 7 more minutes. Fry a broken-yoke egg over easy and top the plated hash, add pepper and Tobasco to taste.
    I have been doing this the day after Thanksgiving for 40 years now. Simple and perfect…God it’s good!

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  75. coozledad said on November 29, 2013 at 5:49 pm

    You wonder if the paper briefly entertained the idea of bundling this job with restaurant critic.

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  76. Brandon said on November 29, 2013 at 6:01 pm

    @brian stouder: Thanks for clearing that up. @alex: No hard feelings.

    When I post here, it’s always under my own name. And that is that.
    Changing the subject, I made Indian pudding for the first time Wednesday. It’s a nice complement to pumpkin pie.

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  77. brian stouder said on November 29, 2013 at 7:18 pm

    Cooz, I gotta say – a pot editor with a name like Ricardo Bacca has gotta be good! He sounds like a character from an Elmore Leonard novel.

    Mary, your fine young sons sound like genuinely good young men, indeed. Your post gave me a big holiday smile.

    Brandon, I’d be up for a smidge of Indian pudding…we had one of those cheese cakes that consist of pre-sliced all-varieties-of-cheese-cake cheese cakes, and it was really, really pleasing.

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  78. Deborah said on November 29, 2013 at 11:06 pm

    Went to our neighbors getogether in Abiquiu, everyone brought a dish and I ate way too much again. Ugh, I feel like I don’t want to eat for at least a week.

    We came to some agreement about the road we all share, it was kinda heated for a few minutes but it all got worked out. We have a neighbor out there that collects antique cars and he wants the road smoothed out, the rest of us think that’s ridiculous, it’s a remote mountain road for heaven’s sake. A standard rural vehicle should be able to traverse it. Heck we used to even drive our Beemer up and down it all the time. He had some grading done on the road without any of our consent or even prior communication about doing it and now he wants us to all chip in and pay for it.

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  79. Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on November 30, 2013 at 8:30 am

    Gadzooks, even in Abiquiu you’ve got “homeowner association” issues. Thanks for the reminder that the grass isn’t greener where . . . wait, you don’t have any grass there. Just beauty!

    Basset, good thoughts your way (the packaging is prayer, but the contents are the same regardless). Thanks for the reminder to send them, which is never an overshare, IMHO.

    I’m typing at a Starbucks near my inlaws because I can only do so many predawn conversations with my father-in-law who thinks I’m a liberal furbrain, and likes to goad me with his hyperpessimistic misanthropic gloomridden pronouncements about everyone who’s not him or his (all now deceased) brothers. Not going home until my wife is up and I can throw her in between us . . . and that, my friends, is our “Profile in Courage” for today! And borderline oversharing.

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  80. basset said on November 30, 2013 at 9:29 am

    sure appreciate that, JeffTMMO.

    I learned something yesterday. Upgraded my iPhone to a 5C this week (and yes, I know all the cool kids have the 5S but even the C is more than I need; my old 4 was having problems and I was told the 5 is better than a 4 in marginal signal areas, which is where I spend a lot of my time) and needed a case; I pass right by a suburban mall with an Apple store on the way home from one of my hunting spots, so I entirely forgot about it being Black Friday and pulled off at the Galleria last night.

    If you are large, gray-bearded, and wearing green Carhartt bibs, a camo cap, and a wool shirt with deer blood down one sleeve, the children who work at the Apple store will pretend you are invisible.

    come to think of it, they do that anyway.

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  81. Sherri said on November 30, 2013 at 1:15 pm

    I’m sure they do, basset. If they deign to talk to you, they probably think you’re stupid, too. I know they think middle-aged women are stupid. It’s a great way to see how honest an electronic salesman is, though – if they think you don’t know anything, what will they make up to try and upsell you?

    I also upgraded my iPhone 4s to a 5s, but I don’t think I’m cooler than you, just a techie with disposable income. ATT is really doing the hard sell on their ATT Next program, whereby you essentially give them more money monthly and re-up that two year contract annually and in exchange, they’ll let you upgrade annually. They emphasize the annual upgrade, of course. And it is instead of giving them a big chunk of change up front for an iPhone. But it’s main feature is to keep you locked in tighter to a contract. I passed, even though I’ve never changed carriers since the beginning. I don’t want to upgrade phones annually even if they were free.

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  82. brian stouder said on November 30, 2013 at 6:00 pm

    With regard to phancy phones, I am now – possibly somewhat proudly, but not at all smugly – descending into my dotage, apparently. The trac-phone I carry is about $10, and if I run it over or lose it altogether, who cares? And if someone actually wanted to steal it, they can just have it.

    It even can possibly do a few tricks; Pam has texted me before, although my lifetime total of texts-sent is still less than 10 (and probably less than 5).

    I suppose I can see the attraction of having the mobile/anytime access to the internet, but – as with other such theoretical possibilities (thinking of Sofía Vergara here, for example), not really for me

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  83. Dave said on November 30, 2013 at 9:59 pm

    I was in the Apple store in Reston, VA, last evening with my son, while he replaced his iPhone 5 with another iPhone 5 under Apple Care. I was struck by all the children working there but there were two folks I wondered about, an older man who was somewhere between 55-65, and a lady who was surely well past 40. I kept thinking, what is their story, are they working here because they like tech, they’ve had circumstances that didn’t go well, or they needed to be doing SOMETHING.

    Brian, I used to be a technophobe, although I’m sure you wouldn’t describe yourself that way and I don’t mean anything offensive by it but since our children grew up and moved away, college and then on to life, it became such a easy way to keep in touch. Texting, sending pictures, Skype, it all comes in handy, the modern way to communicate, so now we both have iPhone 5’s, which we got after the 5s came out. But then, we’ve had cellphones for about thirteen years now, they were great to have when I was still working, for a multitude of reasons. And far more accessible than Sofia Vergara.

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