So this was shaping up to be a chilly but lovely June 1 morning. New calendar! New leaf! New resolve!

I decided to bike to work. Not to the bus stop, all the way in. It’s only 12 miles, I’ve been planning it forever, and got rained out on Bike to Work Day last month, so I figured there was no time like the present. And until about the halfway point, it went great. Until I hit one pothole WHAM and then another WHAM, followed by the grinding of an insta-flat tire.

Now. I carry flat-fixing tools and a spare tube and pump. But I was dressed for work, this was the back tire (meaning I’d be touching the chain) and it was in one of those freakishly abandoned parts of the east side:


Note looted, empty school at right. That empty gas station/repair shop, freshly painted when the Google Maps car rolled through two years ago, has tipped all the way into seedy. The thought of standing exposed on this weird stretch, getting my hands greasy with no hope of degreasing them with the soaps found in office bathrooms, all with the very real chance the rim might be bent and it could all be for naught, potentially attracting unwelcome “help,” and I did what any sensible person would do: Called Uber.

A very nice man picked me up. Cornelius, a jazz drummer who Ubers for a cash flow between gigs. He helped wrestle the bike into the trunk, drove me to my office, wrestled it out of the trunk and told me I should check him out at Baker’s Keyboard Lounge, any Sunday night.

I love this town. Potholes and all.

I guess the news of the day, in the non-foreign policy, non-national policy, non-consequential division, would be the birth of Caitlyn Jenner. Bruce is dead, long live Caitlyn. I know we have many gay, lesbian and perhaps transgender readers here, so a reality check, please: Is this list of rules offered by GLAAD just a tetch obnoxious? I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again: People have to be guided gently on this issue, and there’s a certain STFU in my head when I read stuff like this:

AVOID the phrase “born a man” when referring to Jenner. If it is necessary to describe for your audience what it means to be transgender, consider: “While Caitlyn Jenner was designated male on her birth certificate, as a young child she knew that she was a girl.”

Don’t tell me how to write, don’t tell me what words are OK to use, don’t make me Caitlyn Jenner’s publicity agent. OK? OK. This is uncharted territory for most people, and we’re figuring things out as we go. Let’s be kind to one another, not assholes. And now “misgender” is a verb, apparently:

Fox News Repeatedly Mocks And Misgenders Caitlyn Jenner

Meanwhile, Jenner’s non-Kardashian children seem to have their heads screwed on right, refusing to appear on his latest reality show:

… [D]espite numerous entreaties from their father as well as the head of E! programming, the Jenner children refuse to participate, forgoing financial gain and exposure in the process. At first their decision did not seem to register with Caitlyn. She kept hoping they could be persuaded because she knows from eight years on Keeping Up with the Kardashians the necessity of a family dynamic for ratings success. When she realized the decision was final, she became increasingly frustrated and on one occasion hurled profanities. She told me she felt “terribly disappointed and terribly hurt.”

So there’s that.

Any “Game of Thrones” fans in the house? You should be reading Grantland’s recaps and precaps for lines like this:

…last night’s episode of Thrones taught us that only three things can stop a rampaging army of pickax-wielding, undead popsicles: obsidian, Valyrian steel, and 6 to 10 inches of shallow water.

It’s chilly enough that I expect a White Walker or two to emerge from the gloaming, frankly. I give up. It’s June. The week ahead must be better. Hope yours is, too.

Posted at 12:30 am in Current events, Same ol' same ol', Television |

49 responses to “Flattened.”

  1. James said on June 2, 2015 at 12:32 am

    Any “Game of Thrones” fans in the house?

    Not me.

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  2. Dexter said on June 2, 2015 at 2:37 am

    I know you run quality bikes but a hard hit on a pothole is bad news no matter if it’s a department store cheapo or a bike shop top-o’-the-line machine. Sorry you had to go through that. My riding is on hold as I continue to strive to get in shape so I can survive a hip replacement job. Using two canes to scuttle about is a fucking drag, man. But anyway, I have a strange flat tire tale. It was late 1982, the USA was in a deep recession and I was laid off. I would take my ten-speed all over the place; many days and nights I’d ride the time away, and I was in the saddle a good portion of the day. I was coming back from a 20-mile ride when about four miles from home I hit a nail and flatted out. I took off the rear wheel, installed a new tube that I always carried, pumped it up, and began re-assembling everything when two deer hunters approached me as I was on the ditch bank hard by the roadway. “You’re goddam lucky you are wearing orange, man”, one guy said. It was deer season and I had purchased a heavy orange hoodie to let drivers see me and also to let hunters know I was not a deer on a bicycle, and fair game. So the other man said, “You won’t find this funny at all, but my son drew his shotgun (this ain’t Michigan rifle territory) on you when I noticed the orange jacket and told him to not fire.”
    I instantly thought back to when I read in the San Francisco Chronicle about a US Marine who had just gotten back from the jungles of Vietnam and was murdered leaving a bar, killed for his wallet. Irony plays no favorites, does Karma? I have had several close calls with Mister Grim Reaper in my life…sometimes I wonder when the shoe is really gonna drop on my head.

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  3. Deborah said on June 2, 2015 at 3:52 am

    The upstairs neighbor who lost another table waiting job has signed up to be an Uber driver until he finds another job. He’s kind of creepy in a hard to describe way and it makes me wonder how it would feel to get a driver like him when you call, but then I’ve had a creepy taxi driver a time or two in my day. He’s creepy in an unctuous way. We’re crossing our fingers that they’ll move soon.

    I agree that Caitlyn’s kids are making the right choice not to be on the reality show. Any reality show.

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  4. ROGirl said on June 2, 2015 at 5:47 am

    I binge watched previous seasons of GoT when I was out of work and am now caught up. The White Walkers appear to have everyone in their sights, but I have hopes for Bran Stark and Hodor. They have been out of the picture for over a season, and Sansa just found out that they are alive. And what is Brienne of Tarth up to these days?

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  5. ROGirl said on June 2, 2015 at 6:26 am

    Bran and Rickon. Sansa doesn’t know about Hodor.


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  6. Basset said on June 2, 2015 at 7:12 am

    Passing on a chance for “exposure”? Now that’s personal sacrifice, 2015 style.

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  7. Wim said on June 2, 2015 at 7:18 am

    ROGirl, Brienne of Tarth is skulking outside of Winterfell, yearning to rescue Sansa. Oh, and teaching her squire to fight.

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  8. alex said on June 2, 2015 at 7:34 am

    Hooray for Uber! If the taxi industry doesn’t want to become irrelevant, it needs to come up with its own smart phone app and be just as prompt. People used to pay, what, hundreds of thousands of dollars to own a single taxi medallion in Chicago. (Medallions are like liquor licenses–pricey and in limited supply.) I’ll bet the bottom falls out on that market.

    And while there may be creepy Uber drivers, I’ve seen more than my fair share of creepy taxi drivers. They run the gamut. I remember getting into cabs and having to listen to odious political opinions and racist blather, and I don’t mean from the radio. Or having to smell b.o. and butt funk emanating from the driver’s seat, sometimes commingled with curry. One time on Lake Shore Drive, the driver asked if I cared if he lit up a doobie. (I’ll admit that I didn’t mind at all, and even got to partake, but that was like pretty far out man.)

    The local newspaper reported on Uber’s recent debut in Fort Wayne. The drivers interviewed said most of their business consists of schlepping drunks home from bars on the weekends, but that it’s pretty ho-hum otherwise.

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  9. Basset said on June 2, 2015 at 8:04 am

    Reminds me of a fishing guide we had in North Carolina some years ago… pulled up on a trash-strewn roadside and pointed across the river, “there’s usually some against that bank over there, you guys mind if I fish?” and disappeared.

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  10. Andrea said on June 2, 2015 at 8:13 am

    Sorry about your bike, Nancy. Hope it’s easily repaired with no damage to the rim.

    Is there another etiquette list for the individuals who are transitioning? Caitlyn sounds remarkably tone deaf about the impact of her transition on her children and their obligations to her. I fear that the children, especially if they are young, may end up as collateral damage in situations like these. If they are hurt, sad, or confused they risk appearing to be transphobic or non-supportive. It must be a fairly isolating experience for kids.

    A few years back, my neighbor decided to transition MTF just as his youngest daughter was deep in the throes of the most physically awkward phase of adolescence: 12 years old, just grew several inches, breasts and hips popping out along with acne. While she (the father) was parading all throughout the neighborhood showing off her new boobs and wardrobe (most of which was suited for a girl in her 20s, not a woman in her 50s), her daughter completely withdrew. Never came outside for months, not even during the block party. Dyed her bright red hair black and began dressing all in black from head to toe. Would not speak to friends, including my daughter, who had been one of her closest friends. Everything about her (daughter) screamed that she was suffering but her father seemed so oblivious in her joy. Even today, 4 years later, this young woman seems subdued and muted.

    And while I’m on the etiquette thing, how about not jumping into the cliche that women just talk about hair and makeup when we are alone? The Vanity Fair press release quoted Jenner as saying “You can talk about outfits. You can talk about hair and makeup, anything you want.” As a grown woman, outfits, hair, and makeup comprise such a tiny, tiny part of the things I want to talk about during a “girls’ night.” My neighbor was the same way — always want to talk to me about nail polish and such when I almost never wear it!

    Let’s make a deal. We won’t ask you about your surgeries or other medical procedures, and you don’t assume that the most womanly thing about me is the way I present myself in public.

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  11. nancy said on June 2, 2015 at 8:26 am

    More from the Bob Pence Fountain of Posthumous Goodness.

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  12. nancy said on June 2, 2015 at 8:27 am

    And Andrea, that’s awful. I always suspect children who deliberately make themselves unattractive are hiding a deep sadness. All of Bruce/Caitlyn’s children are adults, but still.

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  13. nancy said on June 2, 2015 at 8:30 am

    Finally, as to Uber: I hope this does, indeed, prompt the taxi industry to improve, rather than destroy it. In many ways, I admire the industry’s strong pushback; if only the newspaper business had fought a little, instead of essentially unlocking the door to our vaults and declaring our “content” worthless. But if I had called a cab yesterday, I might still be waiting there.

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  14. Andrea said on June 2, 2015 at 8:32 am

    Can you imagine growing boobs at the same time as your dad? Junior high is an almost universal misery for people. I would never choose to experience those years again. Can’t imagine what a mind fuck that would be…

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  15. nancy said on June 2, 2015 at 8:35 am

    Right. It reminds me of a column I read years ago, about a woman who started a support group for the cast-off wives of gay men. She pointed out that there were dozens of groups to help her ex-husband embrace his new identity, but nothing for the person he lied to for years (along with their children). It’s possible to support both halves of a bad match like that.

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  16. beb said on June 2, 2015 at 8:37 am

    “designated male at birth.” There are some small number of children who at birth are indeterminate as to gender. The rest are pretty clear as to their sex, there’s no “designation” involved. That implies that doctors are arbitrary about determining a baby’s sex.

    As I’ve never had a doubt about my gender transgender people confuse and disturb me, lets talk about pigeon breeding instead. Apparently ISIS, who has nothing better to do that find ever more extreme ways to make Islam look foolish, has decidedly that pigeon breeding is an affront to Allah. Because, the4y say, it exposes the birds genitals. While I know birds must have genitals I can honestly say after 65 years I have never seen one. In any case how can bird genitals be offensive to Allah who made them? And if breeding birds is bad what about all the breeding of goats, sheep and horses? Have you ever seen a horse’s genitals? Disturbing.

    Breeding reminds me of another mystery, why are pictures of naked woman in museums considered art while pictures of naked women in a magazine considered pornography? But the art in museums are things that hung on walls centuries ago just like those Farrah Fawcett photos kids hung on their walls in my generation. What if there really is no differences. In the 16th century there were no magazines as we know them, so the only pictures were painting and the only people who could afford a painting was a rich guy. How do we know that when that rich guy commissioned a painting he didn’t ask for a lot of naked women, because he liked to look at naked woman and who’s to tell a Duke that he can’t? So maybe all those pictures in museums are just very old pornography.

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  17. nancy said on June 2, 2015 at 8:41 am

    Finally, one last thing about Caitlyn, and how “amazing” she looks. I do worry (a little, not a lot) about what high-profile transgender women will do for women-born-women’s body image. Yes, she looks amazing, in part because she is an Olympic athlete with XY chromosomes. Men carry less body fat than women, don’t get cellulite, have stronger and more pronounced musculature, etc. It’s quite easy to have a slender hips and big boobs when you’re Caitlyn-nee-Bruce, because the former is your genetic gift and the latter you wrote a check for. I saw a similar boudoir-type layout with Laverne Cox, and thought the same thing.

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  18. coozledad said on June 2, 2015 at 9:21 am

    Breeding reminds me of another mystery, why are pictures of naked woman in museums considered art while pictures of naked women in a magazine considered pornography?

    It’s a matter of convention and modes of representation. Anyone who goes to a life drawing class expecting to get a hardon is going to be righteously disabused. A lot of the old masters dabbled in what they would have considered porn, but either destroyed it as death approached, or had already sold it to moneyed wankers. Watteau burned his porn, which is a goddamn shame. Boucher sold his to the great Royal houses, especially those with an affinity for ass titans.

    Adolphe Bougereau didn’t do anything but porn, and he’s still revered among the niceaholic realists. The Nazis loved that shit. Hitler and Goering also stole a few Titians. Mostly the ones designed to be displayed in a cardinal’s boy-boffing pit.

    Michaelangelo never painted females. All his women have the slabby abdomens and chests of male athletes. This again goes to the sexual proclivities of the Church militant.

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  19. Andrea said on June 2, 2015 at 9:26 am

    Right, Nancy. I was considering whether to give voice to my own thoughts about all of the cooing over how “amazing” Jenner looks for a 65-year-old woman, but thought I’d already been contrary enough as it is….

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  20. brian stouder said on June 2, 2015 at 9:48 am

    Let me just say – James at the end of the last thread knocked one right out of the park!

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  21. Dave B. said on June 2, 2015 at 9:59 am

    Speaking of Bruce Jenner. The other night Conan O’Brien had a joke that went something like this: “I’m sure all of you have been reading about Bruce Jenner’s sex change lately. Well, the good news is that the TV network told Bruce he can continue on the show, but he’ll have to take a 30% pay cut because now he’ll be working as a woman.”

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  22. Jolene said on June 2, 2015 at 10:12 am

    But does she really look so amazing? So much makeup, bony shoulders, sinewy arms, too-large hands hidden behind the back, legs clenched to hide the still-present genitals. To me, she looks less like a person who is finally at ease with herself than a person who is trying too hard in a different way.

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  23. Maggie Jochild said on June 2, 2015 at 10:25 am

    As a lesbian but equally a feminist, I fall afoul of the “new rules” dictated by the transcult (which are really only a small minority of Male to Trans zealots). I believe sex is biologically immutable, gender is a construct that limits everybody who sticks to it rigidly, and Bruce was not a woman before he transitioned because otherwise what did he transition from? We have not always been at war with Oceania.

    The re-emphasis of Stepford Wife fembot appearance as “what a woman looks like” goes hand in hand with the backlash against women and the male supremacy of conservatism in current America. It is not liberating for anyone. Caitlyn is an autogynophile, a narcissist surrounded by narcissists, and cannot dictate our language, grammar, or perception unless we hand it over to her. I refuse. I was actually born female and I know what growing up in that identity entails. It ain’t what these middle-age white men fantasize they are.

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  24. nancy said on June 2, 2015 at 10:28 am

    Woot! ^^^^^^ As the kids say, THIS. ^^^^^^^ And bonus points for the “1984” reference.

    I generally follow the practice that you should call people what they want you to call them. That’s now Negro became black became African American. I’ll call Caitlyn a woman if that’s what she wants. But as Maggie points out, if she was born a woman, she can’t be trans, because there’s no transitioning from what you were, right?

    Confusion will reign as we figure these things out. Be gentle while we do.

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  25. alex said on June 2, 2015 at 10:30 am

    I knew a woman married to a trans man and her biggest complaint was that hubby (or wifey, as he became in his 50s) couldn’t just dress casually like an ordinary woman but had to be decked out like a hoochie mama 24/7. Her husband literally had no life outside of clothing and makeup. My friend called it “Shiseido-masochism.”

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  26. Sue said on June 2, 2015 at 10:49 am

    beb, doesn’t ISIS get part of its massive funding from the poppy trade? Because if you want to talk about exposing the naughty bits, flowers are the biggest floozies of them all.

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  27. Bitter Scribe said on June 2, 2015 at 11:07 am

    Regardless of what you think of Jenner’s courage, I think it was pretty shitty of her to pressure her children to appear on her reality show.

    A long time ago, someone posed a hypothetical that I found intriguing: Suppose a white man decided that he was born black (or “transition” to it, whatever), and he took pills or got a deep tan or did something else to make his skin dark. And supposed he started wearing tacky dashikis and talking in Ebonics. Would black people accept him or roll their eyes?

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  28. Icarus said on June 2, 2015 at 11:31 am

    “Suppose a white man decided that he was born black (or “transition” to it, whatever), and he took pills or got a deep tan or did something else to make his skin dark. And supposed he started wearing tacky dashikis and talking in Ebonics. Would black people accept him or roll their eyes?”

    to further this idea, I think it would be great if there were some drug a person (hopefully a conservative republican who denies racial inequality in America) could take and be black for a day or two. And then see how a stop by a police officer is different.

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  29. Jeff Borden said on June 2, 2015 at 1:22 pm

    Am I the only codger who remembers “Black Like Me” by John Howard Griffin? It was later made into a movie starring James Whitmore in the mid-1960s. Griffin used drugs and some kind of ultraviolet lamp to darken his skin before traveling through the segregated South. I recall it was not a particularly pleasant experience for him.

    It is a shame we cannot experience life as others. I was struck by that guy in Phoenix who was wearing a “Fuck Islam” shirt, but turned it inside out and went into the mosque at the invitation of a Muslim who worships there. He emerged saying he was impressed with the beauty of the service and had changed his mind about Islam. Would’t it be wonderful if Chief Just John Roberts, who is so convinced there is no racism in America anymore, spent a few weeks as a black man? Or if the sexist oafs Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas lived as an American woman for a few weeks?

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  30. beb said on June 2, 2015 at 1:30 pm

    Something to remember about the Vanity Fair cover is that it is a Vantity Fair cover and no VF cover is ever finished until it has been photoshopped 9 ways from hell. Pictures I’d seen of Jenner before the VF cover revealed a harsh-face woman with an almost horsey face. How it became what we see on VF is a miracle of make-up, lighting and grease smeared lens.

    Sue, I think the Taliban gets their funds from Opium but I’m not sure about ISIS. I suspect (sarcasm on) that they’re funded by Fox News, because if ISIS didn’t exist Fox would have to invent it (sarcasm off)

    The thing about Uber is that it is running a taxi-like business without many of the expenses/social obligations or a real business. You know, things like workman’s compensation, Unemployment insurance, health insurance or retirement fund. And where’s Uber’s liability if the drive they send you decides to rob or rape you? Uber is certainly a reminder to taxi companies that there is a need for better service but it’s creating a whole pool of contingent workers, which isn’t good.

    “Suppose a white man decided that he was born black…” You mean like in Black Like me.

    A thumbs up to Maggie Jochild with bonus points for the 1984 reference.

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  31. Heather said on June 2, 2015 at 1:39 pm

    Per the story of the transitioning dad with the junior high daughter: I used to work at a university office where one of the work-study students came back after a long break as a woman. No one was fazed, especially since we had all suspected he was gay (I know gay and transgender is different but all we knew was that he wasn’t straight). She was so over-the-top as far as saying stuff like “Oh, and I was the most gorgeous woman in the room, every man there wanted me the most,” etc etc. I think it was a combination of being very young and socially kinda clueless, as they can be, and the excitement of finally being a woman, but it was pretty obnoxious and unprofessional in a work setting. Anyway, just saying that I’m sure it was/is a life-changing experience she wanted to share, but she came off as super self-absorbed. More forgivable in a young 20-something than a middle-aged person with kids, though.

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  32. Sherri said on June 2, 2015 at 1:51 pm

    Maggie and Cooz in the same week! Life is good!

    Beb, I’m with you on Uber. The taxi industry needed to be shaken up, but Uber is not a good company. I don’t understand people who boycott Walmart and Amazon because of how they treat their workers but who will happily use Uber, which tries to pretend they don’t even have employees. Talk about getting rich by exploiting people! Uber doesn’t even assume primary liability if the driver has a wreck; they expect the driver’s personal car insurance to cover first (though I suspect the car insurance industry is going to have something to say about that.)

    And then there’s Uber’s “God View”. But, of course, they’ve stopped abusing it.

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  33. Sherri said on June 2, 2015 at 1:56 pm

    Is the indictment on the way? Sepp Blatter just announced his resignation as FIFA president, just days after winning re-election.

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  34. Bitter Scribe said on June 2, 2015 at 2:16 pm

    Jeff Borden @29: I’m fairly sure the guy who went into the Islamic center was with the Fuck Islam T-shirt guy but they weren’t the same person. Mr. Fuck Islam now says he’s going into hiding. We should all be so lucky.

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  35. Charlotte said on June 2, 2015 at 2:44 pm

    Jenny Boylan has written several elegant memoirs about transitioning — including She’s Not There (which includes a really touching story about Richard Russo, her best friend, coming around to the extent that he came with her for the surgery, despite his own misgivings). She and her wife wound up staying together, and she’s quite interesting on the whole issue.

    The Jenner thing annoys me only in that it reifies the whole horror show that is “reality” television with the attendant narcissism of all involved. Also disturbing is the recent car wreck in which Bruce/Caitlyn killed a woman — supposedly accidental, but with paparazzi chasing him (he was a him then, right?) it seems that someone paid an awfully high price for the Jenner/Kardashian quest for fame and attention. And it wasn’t Jenner.

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  36. Deborah said on June 2, 2015 at 3:05 pm

    One thing you can say about the Jenner VF cover is that it is a spectacular photograph. So compelling as an image, Annie Leibowitz is a super pro. The positioning of the body, the light and shadow. It is so much better than your average cover girl photo. Beb, this could also help explain the difference between naked women as art vs pornography. A lot has to do with the skill involved. The Leibowitz photo of Jenner says so much more than a picture of a pretty woman. It depicts a person as a force no matter what you think of Jenner personally.

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  37. coozledad said on June 2, 2015 at 3:34 pm

    Pornography is about repetition. It’s highly coventionalized and choreographed. It’s also about affirming expectations more than challenging them in any noticeable way.

    It’s been a lifelong study of mine.

    It has to get past your critical faculties to work. That said, some of it can resemble art. Triumph of the Will and Reagan’s “Morning in America” ad come to mind.

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  38. alex said on June 2, 2015 at 4:17 pm

    Cooz for the win.

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  39. LAMary said on June 2, 2015 at 5:41 pm

    Maggie nailed it.

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  40. David C. said on June 2, 2015 at 5:50 pm

    She pointed out that there were dozens of groups to help her ex-husband embrace his new identity, but nothing for the person he lied to for years (along with their children). It’s possible to support both halves of a bad match like that.

    That’s kind of unfair, isn’t it? When all society tells you marrying is the thing to do and you do it hoping for the best it doesn’t seem like lying to me. An unfortunate situation brought about by closed and narrow traditions, yes. Lying, not so much.

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  41. susan said on June 2, 2015 at 6:20 pm

    Caitlyn Jenner as a 65-year old, not as a Vanity Fair fabrication.

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  42. alex said on June 2, 2015 at 8:00 pm

    I give Maggie points for Stepford Wives fembot. I’m stealing that one.

    Caitlyn looks like a geriatric Ellie Mae Clampett without foundation, lipstick, mascara, etc. Or Jethrine.

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  43. James said on June 2, 2015 at 8:58 pm

    Caitlyn looks great because Bruce was already attractive.

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  44. alex said on June 2, 2015 at 9:33 pm

    As for Sepp Blatter…

    An empirical mix of fungicides and antibiotics would have have gotten rid of it faster than a media firestorm. Or Monistat at the first sign of trouble.

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  45. Wim said on June 2, 2015 at 9:35 pm

    My mother told me, more or less on her deathbed, that the first time she ever saw my father, he was fourteen years old and giggling down the street in Van Buren, Missouri in a summer frock and Mary Janes, with a red bow in his hair. ‘You sure can pick ’em.’ I said. If he had had the money and the social capital, well, God knows.

    My last year in college one of the ways I made money was as a life drawing model. One night a week off-campus (so as not to offend Jesus, or something) it was nude modeling. I was afraid I might seem too happy to be there, but to echo Cooze, I was righteously disabused. It was monotony and muscle cramp. Also, it’s daunting how one’s every physical flaw is magnified on a sketch pad.

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  46. alex said on June 2, 2015 at 9:46 pm

    When I took life drawing, the men wore jockstraps and the women were pregnant hilljack skanks with junk that flopped wide open and made Penthouse and Hustler models look like models of restraint.

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  47. Hattie said on June 2, 2015 at 11:47 pm

    #15. Nancy,I’m so glad you mentioned that.

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  48. MaryRC said on June 3, 2015 at 12:36 am

    Nancy, you mentioned that Caitlin’s children were adults but his youngest is only 17 and seems to be still in need of some parental guidance – she’s already had plastic surgery and is dating a musician in his mid-20s (who has a child of his own). His oldest children are not close to him although they seem willing to accept that his absence from their lives while they were growing up was due to his own internal struggles. Perhaps he’ll be a better parent now, if he has found some peace with himself.

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  49. James said on June 3, 2015 at 5:42 am

    “[H]is youngest is only 17 and seems to be still in need of some parental guidance – she’s already had plastic surgery and is dating a musician in his mid-20s (who has a child of his own”

    Kylie Jenner, who’s seeing Tyga and feuding with his ex-girlfriend Blac Chyna.

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