Deep water.

I checked my email before leaving for the pool this morning, and learned that a filter at the pool had gone out, a part was needed and hadn’t been located yet and the pool would be closed for the rest of the school year. But the district wasn’t leaving us out to dry — ha! — but was relocating the sunrise swim to one of the high-school natatoriums. Which is only a few years old and several orders of magnitude nicer than the middle-school pool we use now.

So hey, I rolled up, parked, found the locker room and got wet. It was delightful, the keepers of this pool adhering to the more modern idea that the water should be on the cool side. And there was an extractor in the locker room, as well as, what’s this? Private showers? With curtains?

Yes, it appears the gang shower of yesteryear, the stage for Carrie’s disgrace and probably yours in some forgotten nightmare, is a thing of the past, at least here. Which immediately made me think that, once again, all the fretting about locker rooms is probably just more wasted worry.

And! There was an extractor for swimsuits! The rest of this year’s pool time is going to be 100 percent win.

(This opinion wasn’t shared by all, I should add. Two women confessed they felt freaked out by the vastness of the diving well, and the fact the shallow end of the lanes was nearly 7 feet deep. Neither will be going to the Olympics, I guess.)

I was called upon to do a late work chore this evening, which cut into my blogging time. In lieu of links, accept this photo of Saturday’s appetizer. Salmon tartare. So much yum.


And happy Wednesday.

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74 responses to “Deep water.”

  1. Dexter said on May 18, 2016 at 2:21 am

    The water crisis in Flint, the Detroit teachers’ fight over summer paychecks, and I suppose the horrible Michigan pothole situation were enough for Michiganians/Michiganders to worry over; they didn’t need their beloved baseball team to be the worst in all of baseball, but that happened for a couple weeks…losing 11 of twelve games makes people prepare torches and buy pitchforks for the march to the ballpark. The tide has turned, and nance has a new pool with extractors and cool water, and the Tigers have won three in a row. This is best celebrated in a poem by the late leader of Vietnam, Ho Chi Minh.

    Everything changes, the wheel
    of the law turns without pause.

    After the rain, good weather.

    In the wink of an eye

    The universe throws off
    its muddy cloths.

    For ten thousand miles
    the landscape

    Spreads out like
    a beautiful brocade.

    Gentle sunshine.
    Light breezes. Smiling flowers,

    Hang in the trees, amongst the
    sparkling leaves,

    All the birds sing at once.

    Men and animals rise up reborn.

    What could be more natural?

    After sorrow comes happiness.

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  2. Sherri said on May 18, 2016 at 2:48 am

    I mentioned here a while back that the five women on the Seattle City Council had been inundated with hateful misogynistic emails and messages after voting against a street vacation that would have been required for building a proposed arena to attract an NBA team. Samantha Bee heard about it too:

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  3. Suzanne said on May 18, 2016 at 6:56 am

    I am swim-ignorant. What is an extractor?

    I did some yoga this morning but veered into my own practice when the video I was following got a bit past my skill level. I should have sensed trouble when the instructor said her name is Fiji McAlpine.

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  4. Joe K said on May 18, 2016 at 7:04 am

    I believe a extractor is a small box you put your suit in close the lid and it spins and dries your suit.
    Pilot Joe

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  5. Julie Robinson said on May 18, 2016 at 7:25 am

    It looks like a mini washing machine and spins the water out. My pool has one too. They’re great. And holey moley, they cost $1800.

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  6. Julie Robinson said on May 18, 2016 at 7:30 am

    Not sure I’m on board with lower water temperature though. I left my last pool because arthritic joints + cold water = all day misery. You want a little jolt when you get in but that’s all.

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  7. adrianne said on May 18, 2016 at 8:04 am

    Extractors are wonderful. When our washer was on the fritz, I went to a laundromat that had one for wringing extra water out of towels. Result – less time in the dryer.

    I began my day (WFH, hurrah!) by preparing Nance’s potato salad, which is really Betty Rosbottom’s, but I don’t know her, so the shoutout belongs to the Proprietess. Basically small red potatoes in a white-wine vinegar/paprika marinade, topped with light dressing of mayo/sour cream. It’s a keeper!

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  8. Suzanne said on May 18, 2016 at 9:22 am

    Could you share that potato salad recipe? I looked online, but did not find it. It sounds tasty and simple.

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  9. Deborah said on May 18, 2016 at 10:07 am

    Me too, I want the potato salad recipe. Please.

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  10. adrianne said on May 18, 2016 at 10:13 am

    Sure thing! Boil 2 1/2 to 3 pounds of small potatoes until tender. Toss with a marinade of 1/4 cup white wine or tarragon vinegar, 2 tbsp. sugar, 1 tsp. paprika and salt and pepper to taste. Add chopped onions/scallions and green pepper, if you wish (I usually skip) and then fold in dressing of 1/2 cup each mayo and sour cream. Garnish with fresh chives.

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  11. Julie Robinson said on May 18, 2016 at 10:35 am

    Mmmm, and I bought new baby red potatoes Monday.

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  12. Dorothy said on May 18, 2016 at 11:47 am

    My mouth is watering thinking of that potato salad! I’ll probably make it this weekend.

    The first time I saw an extractor was in the locker room here at UD. It’s the bomb.

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  13. Deborah said on May 18, 2016 at 12:55 pm

    The Lincoln Park green market was up and running today. I bought asparagus, cremini mushrooms and ciabatta bread. Darn, I forgot to get new potatoes for that potato salad.

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  14. Dexter said on May 18, 2016 at 1:37 pm

    Deborah, in contrast to your vegetable post, famous sportscaster Al Michaels visited The Dan Patrick Show today and the showcast had a steak dinner brought in for Al for breakfast. Al went on his diatribe against all vegetables; he eats only meat, with maybe a potato on the side to pick at, but absolutely no green vegetables and he went on a full minute on how disgusting all mushrooms are. Steak and red wine, but he did disclose the steak-only theme is a myth, as he alternates with pasta dinners and seafood meals.
    My sister-in-law used to have asparagus growing in the back of her garden and I was welcome to take all I wanted but she moved. Now I have to buy it, but it’s well worth it at any cost, and I am going to buy some today if the mechanic gets my new tires mounted and balanced before quitting time. There was some mix-up…perhaps he forgot to order the tires Monday…but when this happens and I am sans automobile for more than twelve hours I seriously consider catching a ride to the car rental place. Ain’t no subways, no buses in small town Ohio.

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  15. MichaelG said on May 18, 2016 at 1:44 pm

    More interesting stuff on Bernie.:

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  16. Bitter Scribe said on May 18, 2016 at 2:05 pm

    Dexter: That is reminding me of an old Shoe strip:

    “I’ll have a big ol’ steak.”
    “OK. That comes with your choice of vegetables.”
    “Vegetables ain’t food.”
    “You don’t eat vegetables?”
    “Vegetables are what food eats.”

    Every time I hear from/about Sanders, he seems like more of an asshole.

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  17. alex said on May 18, 2016 at 2:12 pm

    Thanks for the clarification regarding the extractor everybody. I assumed it was some contraption for getting out of your swimsuit hands-free while you multitask on your iPhone. Didn’t even bat an eye.

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  18. Sherri said on May 18, 2016 at 2:24 pm

    I expected a lot of misogyny in this campaign from the Republicans, especially with Trump as the standard-bearer, but I’m disheartened and discouraged by the level of misogyny from some Sanders supporters and at least tacitly allowed by the campaign itself. Darcy Burner has become another target:

    I know Darcy, and she’s as progressive as they come. She ran for Congress against Dave Reichert in 2006 and 2008 (and I donated to her campaigns both times). She’s on the board of a number of progressive organizations, and is currently running for state legislature. She has a hard time getting elected here because she’s a little too far geographically from Seattle, and so she’s in territory that’s a little less blue, and she’s definitely on the left side of the Democratic Party. But she is a Democrat. Evidently, that makes her automatically corrupt, And since she’s a woman, she’s fair game for men to bully.

    The misogyny is disgusting from Trump. From the Sanders camp, it’s a stab in the back. But here’s the difference between me and those BernieorBust people: even though I think Bernie would make a bad president, were he to become the Democrat nominee, I’d still vote for him because he’d still be better than Trump. If he has a Democratic opponent in 2018 for Senate, though, I think I might donate to his opponent.

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  19. brian stouder said on May 18, 2016 at 2:44 pm

    Sherri – agreed.

    And when you think about it, electing a woman should be no big deal, right?

    Other nations around the world (Israel, Germany, India, and Britain leap to mind) have had women at the pinnacle, and all was well.

    I wonder how much guff they picked up, aimed at their gender

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  20. Brandon said on May 18, 2016 at 2:57 pm

    I’ve never felt the Bern.

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  21. ROGirl said on May 18, 2016 at 3:02 pm

    Although India had a female PM, it’s not exacty a bastion of female empowerment.

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  22. Jeff Borden said on May 18, 2016 at 3:16 pm

    I voted for Sanders and his delegates in the Illinois primary, though I never thought he would win either the state or the nomination. My motive was moving HRC further left. But Sanders has fallen in love with himself while his followers become more and more delusional. With the very real possibility of a Trump presidency, it’s time to halt the crazy train and get unified. This already will be the dirtiest, filthiest, ugliest, nastiest presidential election of our lives. Why keep feeding Trump more material?

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  23. adrianne said on May 18, 2016 at 4:02 pm

    Sadly, the misogyny from the Bernie Bros has been there from the get-go. It’s just become apparent to everyone. And not for nothing, but not one of my African-American friends on Facebook is for Bernie. In fact, they’ve become more enraged at his campaign as time goes on, especially the dismissal of Clinton wins in the South as not important. Um, because a lot of black people voted in those primaries? Unfortunately, Bernie is a perfect representative of Vermont – old, white and cranky.

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  24. brian stouder said on May 18, 2016 at 4:04 pm

    Joe Biden showed great wisdom skipping this race.

    Bernie needs to find a pleasant tone, on his way to the exits

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  25. Dexter said on May 18, 2016 at 4:14 pm

    Alex at #17…you did it again; you had me damn-nearly falling off my desk chair, spinnin’ and laffin’ so hard.

    I really am a slave to subliminal messaging as well as bullshit crass commercialism. When the bicycle racing begins on TV, every half hour they run this commercial: “Chocolate Milk (as a recovery drink) backed by science.” Now every day I find myself in the kitchen pouring chocolate syrup and milk into a tall glass….

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  26. Dexter said on May 18, 2016 at 4:35 pm

    …and I found this bit of happy news just now: a friend of mine from my super secret church basement meetings just instantly retired, as she hit a massive lotto prize of $10,000 per month for life, and took the after-taxes annuity payment of $85,200 per year. Our local paper has her picture , holding her giant check over in Lorain at the Ohio Lottery Regional Office. She’s a brittle diabetic and made the statement she is now quitting her job to better take care of her health issues. And I say bully for her! I don’t know if she’s still married, but her husband was a close friend of mine in “the program” a few years ago.

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  27. Sherri said on May 18, 2016 at 4:49 pm

    I agree, adrianne, the misogyny has been there from the beginning.

    This election really does seem to be about the Angry White Male. Can Hillary Win the Working Class? (ignoring how much of the working class is not white.) Trump’s Treatment of Women Doesn’t Matter, Because He Treats Everybody That Way (try selling that to women.) Trump the Master Persuader Will Win Us All Over (I don’t think that’s going to fly with Latinos and African Americans and other immigrants).

    The media narrative tends to shy away from the elephant in the room: race. Angry White Males hate Hillary with a passion. Some of them voted for her anyway in 2008 because the alternative was a black man. Neither Trump nor Sanders have been able to expand much beyond white people. With the exception of Michigan, Sanders hasn’t won a single state that has a Democratic electorate that is more than 15% African American. She’s generally out-performed him in states with larger Latino populations as well; Colorado is the only state with more than 15% Latino Democratic voters that Sanders won, with California and New Mexico still to come.

    You can’t just look at white voters and see what’s going on in the race. You really can’t just listen to the Angry White Males, even if they are the loudest and most bullying.

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  28. LAMary said on May 18, 2016 at 6:01 pm

    Colorado is a quirky place. I lived there and went to college there and I love the place but the politics are all over the place. Very educated population but to generalize, there are the rock climbers and bicyclists and there are the Focus on the Family gun people. Not much in the middle.

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  29. Sherri said on May 18, 2016 at 7:02 pm

    Colorado also uses caucuses, which tend to decrease non-white turnout for a variety of reasons. A grand total of ~150K voters determined the outcome.

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  30. Sherri said on May 18, 2016 at 7:41 pm

    The BernieBros talk.

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  31. Deborah said on May 18, 2016 at 8:37 pm

    I had a lovely day, only the kind you can have in a place like Chicago. I walked to the green market this morning as I said in an earlier comment, then later in the day my husband and I walked to the Art Institute.We’ve vowed to go there at least once a week this summer, each time perusing a different section. Today we went to the American art area, looked at the Winslow Homer’s and the Luminists, also checked out some furniture, they had a Shaker exhibit but it was kind of paltry, only about 10 pieces. One of the things I noticed in comparison to my visit yesterday to the Restoration Hardware place was how small and dainty the historical furniture was at the Art Institute while the furniture at RH was mammoth and downright clunky, at least to me. When did furniture get so gargantuan?

    Back home I made my favorite meal which is poached egg on sautéed asparagus with cremini mushrooms and garlic all on top of toasted caibatta bread, also everything sprinkled with shaved parmasean. I could eat that every single day.

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  32. Jolene said on May 18, 2016 at 9:00 pm

    Deborah, your favorite meal does sound delicious. Must put asparagus on shopping list.

    Here is a short and sweet article re the Clinton vs. Sanders race, focusing on an important fact that a lot of people seem to be overlooking.

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  33. susan said on May 18, 2016 at 9:01 pm

    Simple answers to simple questions:

    Q: When did furniture get so gargantuan?

    A: When Amurkan butts got so gargantuan.

    This winter, about a year after I bought my car (new), I got a long box delivered to my door. What th’? I wasn’t expecting anything. I opened it up and it contained a cheesy soft insulated cooler and two folding camp-type chairs with arms and cup holders, and chair carrying cases. This was the car company’s gesture of appreciation for spending thousands of dollars on one of their products. When I unfolded the chairs, ohmydog, they were yuuuuuggge! I could fit two of my butts in one chair, if I had two butts. Looks like they were made for 21st C. American Butts. (Is that a new doll?)

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  34. MichaelG said on May 18, 2016 at 9:12 pm

    Jolene, that link isn’t working.

    Deborah, I had a really nice asparagus and parmesan pasta last night. With fresh, new Delta asparagus. The best there is.

    I’m getting increasingly scared that Bernie will undertake an unhinged third party run and thereby . . .

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  35. Jill said on May 18, 2016 at 9:23 pm

    On my way home from SW Michigan Monday I bought some just-picked asparagus. Tonight I had it mixed with fettucine, basil from my garden, a little nutmeg and grated parmesan. Heaven.

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  36. Jolene said on May 18, 2016 at 10:54 pm

    Here’s the link I meant to include above. Thanks for the heads up, MichaelG.

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  37. Sherri said on May 18, 2016 at 11:11 pm

    No, no, Jolene, don’t you get it?! Debbie Wasserman Schultz staged all that for her friend Hillary, who’s evil and worse than Trump! If the polls were listening to the right people, Bernie would obviously be more popular!

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  38. basset said on May 18, 2016 at 11:15 pm

    Delta asparagus? Never thought of it as a blues vegetable, suppose it could be though…

    “Ah pick mah baby’s ‘sparagus
    Where the Southern cross the Dog…”

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  39. Sherri said on May 18, 2016 at 11:19 pm

    And if you think I’m exaggerating, just look at the tweet where Yglesias points to this article, and the responses he gets to it. “Superdelegates”, “Debbie Wasserman Schultz”, “that’s just registered Democrats” – there’s always an excuse for why they’re not winning other than that people didn’t agree with the obvious superiority of their position.

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  40. MichaelG said on May 19, 2016 at 12:22 am

    Basset, sorry for any confusion. The Delta referred to is the Sacramento River Delta which is just down the road from my house. Everybody around here refers to the area as the “Delta”. Asparagus grown there is the best anywhere.

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  41. Dexter said on May 19, 2016 at 1:08 am

    MichaelG: nothing to do with asparagus but when I was at Fort Ord sometimes I’d fire up my Ford car and load up a few buddies and head to Salinas for milk shakes, Jack-In-the-Box, and sundry entertainment opportunities. On the way over, we’d drive through “The Nation’s Salad Bowl”. Thousands of acres of lettuce fields, stretching for never-ending miles. It was quite impressive. Now I live in what must be the tomato capital of Ohio if not the world. Every late summer when the tomatoes are ready, thousands of migrants come to this area to harvest the fields. Now of course the growers have perfected a tougher-skinned tomato which allows the machines to harvest them intact. During harvest time, Walmart shoppers are more likely to speak espanol than ingles. Most shopping groups have one cart dedicated to bottled water. That flies off the shelves when the tomato pickers are here. And even with modern harvesting methods, plenty of labor is needed.

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  42. basset said on May 19, 2016 at 6:48 am

    Thought it was something like that, MichaelG. I can just see some asparagus farmer striking an unholy bargain at a midnight crossroad.

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  43. Connie said on May 19, 2016 at 8:26 am

    Grey Poupon will now be manufactured in my home town.

    I will note that the big outdoor pickle vats at Heinz are now plastic rather than wood. I wish I still had one of those pickle pins they used to hand out at the Tulip ime parade.

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  44. Deborah said on May 19, 2016 at 9:24 am

    But of course.

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  45. brian stouder said on May 19, 2016 at 10:22 am

    So it appears we have lost another jetliner, possibly at the hands of anarchists (or whatever you call these people, who do not “terrorize” us, as much as make us angry).

    One bloody non-sequitur I will introduce, though, if a certain type of demagogue begins to want to TRUMPet anti-Muslim prejudice and hatred, is that 152 years ago General Grant was at the front-end of the Overland campaign, and in the course of the next 40 days – approximately 85,000 men were shot/stabbed/blow-up.

    Next time someone wants to use the word “terror”, or gnash their teeth about creeping anarchy (or whatever) – think of our own (relatively recent) history.

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  46. Dexter said on May 19, 2016 at 11:18 am

    With detailed airline disaster cable TV shows and intermittent crashes, this one already conceded to a terrorist bomb, and tens of thousands stranded in airports due to airlines’ greed regarding checked baggage fees and incompetent TSA management, feel blessed if you don’t have to ever fly commercial.

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  47. Heather said on May 19, 2016 at 12:02 pm

    Someone on my timeline referred to the Bernie supporters harassment after the Nevada convention as “crank calls.” Um, the callers were threatening physical violence to the recipients, who were I believe mostly women, and their families. If you’ve ever been on the receiving end of this kind of threat, it’s unsettling if not downright terrifying–something I don’t think a lot of men understand. How is this a revolution if they’re perpetuating the same rape culture tactics we suffer from already???

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  48. brian stouder said on May 19, 2016 at 12:25 pm

    The Washington Post just ‘alerted’ that Morley Safer has passed away.

    Always liked that guy; his on-air persona was like Abe Vagoda – been there, done that.

    …and unrelated to that, but related to Heather’s remark, it looks like a Fairfax Virginia firefighter was harassed and stalked – to death (she killed herself) – online.

    And some of her fellow firefighters appear to be the tormentors

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  49. MarkH said on May 19, 2016 at 12:33 pm

    It’s true.

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  50. Sherri said on May 19, 2016 at 1:21 pm

    Heather, I’ve also seen Bernie supporters trying the hand-wave away the death threats as not really being death threats, because the caller said “should be hung” instead of “will be hung”, and “hope you burn” rather than “you will burn”.

    Bernie’s statement on the matter gives them all cover.

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  51. Judybusy said on May 19, 2016 at 1:22 pm

    Right on, Heather. Same ole “revolutionary” crap that revolves around white men. It reminds me the Occupy days in Minneapolis. One evening I was walking through the skyway (think giant Habitrails between buildings) and there was a Occupy meeting going on. A man was talking/leading the group and one of the women in the group was KNITTING. Now, I know knitting made a comeback among the youth, but that whole scene just reiterated any stereotype all the group memebers had about proper roles for men and women. I was really happy that the BLM movement was begun and sustained by women in leadership roles.

    Riffing off Dexter: I am worried about long airport lines as we head to Europe in three weeks. A friend told me recently they were in security 2 hours, making their flight by just a minute. The NYT had an article that passengers are up 12% and screeners are down 12%. As Dexter noted, practically everyone bringing their bags on board also really slows things down in the security line.

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  52. Sherri said on May 19, 2016 at 1:43 pm

    I’ve seen several articles (all written by men) which don’t condone the actions of the Bernie campaign, but try to “put it in context”, and say that it’s not as bad as 2008, when the attacks from the Hillary campaign took on a racial edge. I guess misogyny is not as bad as racism, at least not to them, then, and too, I don’t remember harassment and death threats being directed at random volunteer state party officials.

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  53. MichaelG said on May 19, 2016 at 1:46 pm

    Speaking of that part of the country, Dexter, did you see the end of yesterday’s Amgen stage? They finished up at Laguna Seca. Fun finish.

    California is still #1 in the tomato world:

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  54. Julie Robinson said on May 19, 2016 at 2:20 pm

    Once again we mourn the loss of innocents. No one seems to be holding out any hope, but for the victims’ loved ones, the total lack of information seems cruel.

    A friend’s parents flew out of O’Hare yesterday and went four hours early. You guessed it, they breezed through security in 10 minutes. They were going to Italy so they didn’t want to take any chances of missing the flight. I’m not sure most airports have the capacity to hold passengers if everyone is coming early. Most of the gates have pretty quick turnover and couldn’t hold two or three flights worth of people.

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  55. MichaelG said on May 19, 2016 at 3:05 pm

    Julie, agreed. Many gates in many airports can’t even hold one flight’s worth of people. Things can get awfully crowded and awfully confused awfully quick. I also can’t believe the shit that people are hauling on board these days. Two and three bags. Huge rollers. Can’t believe the airlines allow it.

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  56. Sherri said on May 19, 2016 at 3:25 pm

    When the airlines started charging for checked bags, I thought they got it backwards. They should have charged for carry-on bags and kept checked bags free. Boarding would be much smoother.

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  57. adrianne said on May 19, 2016 at 3:27 pm

    The excuses from the Bernie bros (I excuse the young supporters, for the most part, who genuinely are excited about their candidate) about the horrible harassment they visit on Hillary supporters is appalling. It’s the old macho leftist crap from the 1960s all over again. And Bernie will not repudiate it. He has lost any credibility.

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  58. Sherri said on May 19, 2016 at 3:42 pm

    Is there a leftist movement in the US that hasn’t shoved women and black people aside? Genuinely curious, because I haven’t encountered one in my reading of history. I haven’t been explicitly reading about leftist movements, so I certainly could have missed it.

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  59. adrianne said on May 19, 2016 at 3:46 pm

    Sherri is correct – the (hard) left has a lot to apologize for.

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  60. LAMary said on May 19, 2016 at 4:03 pm

    This is the worst election season I can recall in my 45 years of voting. I remember 68 and 72. There was rioting and shouting about issues. The war mainly. I’m not hearing it about issues this time. Bernie gives me a bad vibe, as much as I’d like single payer and free college. Trump is awful. The early Republican debates were depressing.

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  61. Sherri said on May 19, 2016 at 4:35 pm

    I was only 6 in 1968, but I remember having a mock election in my first grade class, and that there was at least one vote for Wallace, because the teacher had to erase the board and redraw it to add Wallace.

    On a different topic, we were discussing how Facebook could be biased the other day. Zeynep Tufecki, whom I find writes smart things about data, talks about it here:

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  62. Deborah said on May 19, 2016 at 4:38 pm

    I’m not apologizing for the left, I’m hardly leftist enough, but Bobby Seale was one of the Chicago eight, which became the Chicago seven when Judge Hoffmann kicked Seale out of the trial. The Black Panthers were their own movement as feminist movements were by and for women mostly. But I’m certainly no scholar on the subject.

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  63. Sherri said on May 19, 2016 at 4:57 pm

    My reading of the Black Panthers is that they were more akin to Black Lives Matter; they started as a reaction to police brutality in Oakland. I don’t think the ties between the Panthers and white leftists were very strong at all.

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  64. crinoidgirl said on May 19, 2016 at 6:05 pm

    Way off topic, missed you guys.

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  65. Jolene said on May 19, 2016 at 6:14 pm

    60 Minutes had a special program honoring Morley Safer on his retirement just this past weekend. He didn’t get much of an opportunity to collect his pension.

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  66. Little Bird said on May 19, 2016 at 6:28 pm

    Apparently Bernie will be at the Santa Fe Community College tomorrow. And then on the 26th Michelle Obama will be giving the commencement speech at the Indian School. All I can think of is how bad traffic is going to be.

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  67. David C. said on May 19, 2016 at 6:49 pm

    I keep reading that 2008 was nastier. It was a busy time in our lives and I may not have been as clued in as I should have been, and I remember some carping from the PUMAs. But I don’t remember any death threats or chair throwing. Time will tell, but it appears to me that Bernie is too butthurt be be gracious.

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  68. Deborah said on May 19, 2016 at 7:12 pm

    I don’t remember 2008 being vicious. I wasn’t retired then so probably wasn’t as tuned in.

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  69. Sherri said on May 19, 2016 at 7:57 pm

    The incident that most articles I’ve read seem to be referring to in claiming that 2008 was worse was when Hillary was losing to Obama in late May (though she was closer than Sander is now) and amid calls for her to withdraw, said she was staying in “because we all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California.” Because of the increased fears about assassination regarding a black President, this had racial overtones.

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  70. Jolene said on May 19, 2016 at 8:00 pm

    There were certainly bitter Clinton supporters in 2008, but Hillary herself put an end to it by supporting Obama immediately and publicly.

    People who believe themselves to be on a mission from God are dangerous, and, while Bernie may not believe himself to be divinely inspired, he’s got all the symptoms of it.

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  71. Sherri said on May 19, 2016 at 8:20 pm

    If you really believe the nomination process has been rigged, you may not find this funny.

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  72. Sherri said on May 19, 2016 at 8:45 pm

    Jamelle Bouie thinks that 2016 is worse:

    Significantly, all the other articles I’ve read calling 2008 worse were written by white men. Jamelle Bouie is not white.

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  73. Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on May 19, 2016 at 10:47 pm

    Anyone else here read any of the Alan Furst novels? I’ve plowed through the first three in his “Night Soldiers” series, and I can barely let myself hope that the rest of them can hold to that standard. It’s a fascinating and little understood period of European/World history, and to find novels that summon up Paris, Moscow, and Eastern Europe between 1933 and 1944 . . . it’s amazing material, and I’m guessing there’s a real world counterpart to every tragedy and triumph he reframes in these fictions.

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  74. Jolene said on May 19, 2016 at 10:56 pm

    Sherri, the Alrxandra Petri piece is terrible. Thanks for posting it.

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