Head to head.

Why am I bothering to write anything here? No one will read a word of it. So maybe it’s best to just put up a bunch of blah-blah, like the words next to the naked pictures in Penthouse. You could hide the nuclear codes in that copy block, and no one would ever find them.

Right now I don’t even have anything interesting to post as related material, so we’ll just call this an open thread. I’ll be roaming around Twitter for as long as I can stand it, popping by the Facebook Live feed by my “Keepin’ it 1600” dudes, checking back here, and mainly worrying. Join me!

I’ll also be fiddling with my phone. Better charge all the devices.

Posted at 6:51 pm in Current events |
 

95 responses to “Head to head.”

  1. alex said on September 26, 2016 at 7:46 pm

    Exciting evening and I’m on tenterhooks. Awaiting a call back from a neighbor with contact info for a cheap tree trimming service that several people at the annual picnic recommended highly. Then there’s that show that’s supposed to be bigger than the Super Bowl.

  2. jcburns said on September 26, 2016 at 7:47 pm

    Okay. They misspelled Hillary’s name on the tickets.

  3. Deborah said on September 26, 2016 at 8:05 pm

    I’ve got the teevee on in Chicago for probably the first time in three months. My husband is at a lecture and won’t be back until after the debate starts, so I will be shushing him when he walks in the door. I’m nervous but optimistic.

  4. Dorothy said on September 26, 2016 at 8:05 pm

    I read every word!

    I’m sewing but keeping an eye on the clock. Husband says he doesn’t want to watch. I said “Get outta the living room or stay beside me to watch with me!” Stay tuned for further developments.

    WHO misspelled the tickets, JC!?! NBC?!

  5. Dorothy said on September 26, 2016 at 8:06 pm

    Duh – never mind. The University must have. For cryin’ out loud. I’m glad it wasn’t me that screwed that up.

  6. Danny said on September 26, 2016 at 8:22 pm

    You could hide the nuclear codes in that copy block…

    Um, stuff like this, this is why I will always love you. Too funny.

  7. basset said on September 26, 2016 at 8:58 pm

    You could, and you might have to if things go very, very wrong in November.

    Debate’s about to start, I’m not watching. Can’t stand it.

    I will tell any pollsters who approach me, though, that I’m a supporter of the cherry dress, with or without the 16 & 5 changes.

  8. nancy said on September 26, 2016 at 9:10 pm

    The auto editor just yelled, “They’re not fucking leaving.”

  9. Jean Shaw said on September 26, 2016 at 9:24 pm

    Me. Me read. Carry on, all.

  10. jcburns said on September 26, 2016 at 9:43 pm

    Sammy and I raise a bourbon to the auto editor.

  11. nancy said on September 26, 2016 at 10:32 pm

    At 10:30, I’d say the floor has been wiped and Trump’s the one with mop water in his clothes.

  12. Dorothy said on September 26, 2016 at 10:46 pm

    Good thing I left all heavy objects out of reach in front of our big screen t.v.

  13. Deborah said on September 26, 2016 at 10:56 pm

    I think Hillary did a great job. Trump acted like Trump, a spoiled rich guy who didn’t know what he was talking about. I loved it when Hillary looked into the camera, with that look that said as much.

  14. basset said on September 26, 2016 at 10:57 pm

    The auto editor says what? A little slow on the uptake tonight, amd I managed to avoid the show.

  15. alex said on September 26, 2016 at 11:04 pm

    I’d say Lester did a good job of redirecting. Trump will be calling for his scalp fer sure.

    On balance, Trump looked like he was tap-dancing his way through, and pretty gracelessly. Hillary’s best moment was when she responded to his attacks on her looks, er rather, Stamina! Stamina! Stamina! She zinged him but good as regard both. And he responded the same way he responded to Megyn Kelly. “Well I was gonna say something really nasty but then I thought better of it …”

    He’s probably tweeting it at this very moment and it will be all the rage on tomorrow’s news.

  16. alex said on September 26, 2016 at 11:09 pm

    The tweet that sums it up best:

    https://twitter.com/Lesdoggg/status/780584222323007488?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

  17. Deborah said on September 26, 2016 at 11:09 pm

    I expect that Trump will spend the next week disclaiming everything.

  18. Sherri said on September 27, 2016 at 12:08 am

    I watched. I didn’t throw anything at the TV. I even watched some talking heads on MSNBC, though when they went to the group of people in Ohio, I had to turn it off or I would throw something.

    Trump was Trump, and I can’t imagine that anybody thought he looked presidential. Hillary was calm, and even did what I suggested, laughed at him. He really can’t let anything go, he has to be right about everything. He’s not even capable of pivoting away from a problem area, because he has to be right. The birther thing is just disgusting. Even aside from accusing Hillary of starting it, that he takes credit for forcing the President of the United States to produce his birth certificate is terrible. That he takes credit and is proud of it is deplorable.

    This man has no business leading us.

  19. susan said on September 27, 2016 at 12:13 am

    Ha ha ha ha! Tecate is building a yu-u-uuugewall.

  20. Sherri said on September 27, 2016 at 12:29 am

    At first I was annoyed with Holt for letting Trump just yell over Hillary all the time. Then I decided, what the hell, let him do it, that’s who he is, and every woman watching is used to men like that.

  21. Jakash said on September 27, 2016 at 1:22 am

    If you hadn’t payed attention to the last 13 months, wouldn’t you be amazed that, in 2016, a nominee would say that the other nominee doesn’t “look Presidential?” Uh, because she’s a woman. And then, the folks like Kellyanne, knowing that they needed to deal with him having said that, decide to have him double down and say that he really meant that she lacks stamina? That seems like something out of the ’50s. Uh, you ARE aware that women run marathons, Fortune 500 companies and Army units these day, right Don? Hillary’s response to the stamina jab, about all the countries she’s flown to, deals she’s negotiated, and testifying for 11 hours before the Congressional kangaroo court knocked it out of the park!

    Seems to me that they both largely played to their bases tonight, with the caveat that Hillary’s base actually cares about facts, and Rump’s doesn’t. Anyway, Hillary already seems to me to have enough of the logical #NeverTrump and reasonable Republican votes. No sense going after more of them. Trump managed to not ridicule disabled people nor mention rapists, so I guess he cleared the bar. He may not have lost any of his base, but his base is not nearly big enough for him to win. I just don’t see that many who haven’t liked what he’s had to say so far found anything tonight to bring them on-board. The rest of this campaign is about Hillary getting lefties, millennials and most of the rest of the Obama coalition to vote for her, because that IS a big enough group. I think she did a pretty good job of making her pitch to them. Overall, I was pretty pleased.

  22. Dexter said on September 27, 2016 at 1:40 am

    I watched every minute, heard every word. I suppose Trump was taken apart for his constant loud breathing/snorting. Not a peep about HRC’s Wall Street speeches that Bernie was so upset about; I guess Trump can’t criticize the text if it praises capital’s true purpose in rich folks’ eyes, keep the masses poor and invest the money so as to keep most all the dough in the little circle of capitalists. Trump seemed defiantly proud when HRC chastised Trump for making money on the backs of the homeowners and savings account holders who were devastated in the 2008 collapse…”It’s called doing business”, he said to Hillary.

    From last thread, I too have seen bald eagles, as a nest of a family was right beside the local airport runways. I saw one about 7 years ago perched on a fence post by Butler, Indiana. A friend who lives near the setting confirmed there was a nest in her woods.

    I get more excited when I see an owl. On some sites I am known as Nite Owl, an old handle I started using in the 1990s online. It was 2 or 3 years ago when a few Bobcats moved to the areas around our town I saw one, one day, that was a thrill.

  23. basset said on September 27, 2016 at 5:42 am

    the BBC says Hillary won, that’s enough for me. Would send a link, but it’s in their app.

    An excerpt:

    It was a battle between the lawyer and the salesman, and for the most part the lawyer came out on top.
    It may be hard to remember, but before Mrs Clinton was a secretary of state, or a senator or a first lady, she was a lawyer – and, by all regards, a talented one.
    And after all these years, she still campaigns like one. Meticulous, cautious, controlled. What works in the courtroom, with its rules and customs, often doesn’t fly in free-wheeling political debates, however.
    Mr Trump, on the other hand, is the consummate salesman. Rules, tradition, even the truth are only relevant in so much as they help seal the deal.
    The weaknesses of this approach is the perception that the salesman is all talk and no substance – a problem that can be exacerbated by 90 minutes under the debate spotlights.
    In the end, the lawyerly preparations paid off for Mrs Clinton, as she controlled the evening with forensic precision.

  24. basset said on September 27, 2016 at 5:46 am

    Mrs. B and I were at the Nashville flea market last weekend and walked past one of several stands selling Trump stuff:

    “What can I get for you?”
    “Nothing, we’re liberals.”
    “Well, bless your heart.”

    Which is, as you probably know, Southern-polite for “well, fuck you, then.” Can’t please everyone.

  25. adrianne said on September 27, 2016 at 6:06 am

    Whew, The Donald came off as your loudmouth uncle at Thanksgiving who blathers on and no one does anything because they know he’ll be leaving soon. Hilary was great, and knew just when to jab him and when to let him blather.

  26. David C. said on September 27, 2016 at 6:27 am

    Trump’s next rally is going to be a yuuuge shitshow. I didn’t watch, but I understand he was completely humiliated, or anyone with a hint of self-awareness would have been. He’s going to lash out at everyone. There is a video of him leaving the venue last night with him acting agitated and poking his finger in Jared Kushner’s chest. He’ll be completely unhinged when he gets more time to digest what happened.

  27. Suzanne said on September 27, 2016 at 6:48 am

    I watched the whole bloody thing. Still mystified why anyone supports him. I get the “our jobs are going overseas” meme, and we need to be safe stuff, and we need to get the debt under control, but what I cannot grasp is how anyone thinks the man who says he made yuuuuge amounts of cash off the financial meltdown of 2008 will do anything but try to bleed his supporters dry. His foreign policy is pretty much “I’ll just tell those countries how it’s going to be” and people believe him? I just cannot wrap my head around it.

    He’s more & more like the serial rapist that brags he’s a decent guy because he never gave his victims an STD.

  28. Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on September 27, 2016 at 7:12 am

    Lester Holt was flawless. I’m glad someone proved you can be successful even in the Age of Trump at debate moderation. He used follow-ups instead of fact-checking, which was more devastating IMHO than trying to look like you know more than the erring (or lying) candidate. He ran the risk of making Trumpsters mad by trying, in just the right measure, to direct him back to the topic or move on after time had elapsed, but didn’t push himself further than was necessary to remind the audience that it was the candidate who was breaking the rules. If he’d escalated, he’d have sounded contentious — and by his calm patience he made it even clearer how turgid the excess sounded.

    And Holt didn’t interrupt Clinton because she, with great discipline, never put him in a position to do so! When Trump said “I never admitted guilt” on the housing lawsuit, I turned and said to my wife, “well, it was true after all, he took no debate prep with anyone.” Because if he’d done a single thirty minute session with anybody who knew this sort of venue would have made it clear to him he needed any answer to that well-worn topic than “I never admitted guilt.” Will the results force Trump to let Kellyanne prep him for Oct. 9? We’ll see. I doubt it.

  29. alex said on September 27, 2016 at 7:14 am

    He’s more & more like the serial rapist that brags he’s a decent guy because he never gave his victims an STD.

    Mad props to Suzanne!

    Great fun watching him get “braggadocious” when confronted with his biggest vulnerabilities. If he achieved anything last night it was coining a new word that captures the very essence of his singular un-self-awareness.

  30. Pam said on September 27, 2016 at 7:27 am

    Trump doesn’t pay taxes and that makes him smart? Makes him a Taker. I suspect that most people in the highest tax brackets don’t pay any taxes. Takers, all of them.

  31. Kirk said on September 27, 2016 at 8:40 am

    I liked when Trump used the word “bigly” twice in one response.

  32. Connie said on September 27, 2016 at 8:54 am

    Trump is holding a rally Friday in my neighborhood. Note to self: Do not go to Novi on Friday.

  33. Jolene said on September 27, 2016 at 9:00 am

    What’s remarkable to me is the idea that, when we see and hear Trump, what we are seeing and hearing is a function of the degree to which his campaign staff has been able to manhandle him into such unusual behaviors as staying on topic, avoiding insult, and keeping the level of lying within defensible limits. On his own, he is a complete trainwreck–a mass of incoherence, fabrication, and flagrant dishonesty.

    All high-level politicians, it seems, occasionally need to hear tough talk from their advisors, but Trump appears to be in soon connected thought or expression without being horsewhipped by his staff. It’s beyond imagining that he would ever be able to operate independently on the world stage without causing an international crisis or humiliating himself and us.

  34. Heather said on September 27, 2016 at 9:06 am

    He was like an eight-year-old! Did you hear him say “Not!” when Hillary made a claim? I almost spit out my wine.

  35. Jerri said on September 27, 2016 at 9:07 am

    Trump will be holding his post-debate “victory” rally this evening in Melbourne, Florida at the airport. My sister-in-law is flying in from Milwaukee tonight, which will make picking her up interesting.

    My mother died this morning in hospice care, her only expressed regret when she could still speak that she couldn’t cast an absentee ballot for Hillary.

    How I despise that man.

  36. Heather said on September 27, 2016 at 9:09 am

    Oh Jerri, I am sorry for your loss.

  37. Jerri said on September 27, 2016 at 9:19 am

    Thank you, Heather. I don’t want to threadjack but Nancy, the blog, and all your comments have been my lifeline during my 4 months of caregiving in Florida. Thank you all and let’s go back to the matters of the day.

  38. Peter said on September 27, 2016 at 9:26 am

    Jerri, I am very sorry for your loss. Hoping that she’s in a better place now. It does put last night’s events in their proper perspective.

  39. Deborah said on September 27, 2016 at 9:34 am

    I’m sorry to hear that Jerri. Don’t worry about thread jacking, not important, I find comfort here too when times are rough.

  40. Julie Robinson said on September 27, 2016 at 9:35 am

    Jerri, I’m so sorry, and I know what you mean about a lifeline. I’ve had a couple of similar stints caregiving for my sister, and I relied on being able to go away in my mind to stay sane.

    I’ve got a debate hangover, and I wasn’t playing a drinking game; I’m not used to staying up late and my mind took awhile to calm afterward. Trump irritated me every time he opened his mouth, especially when he kept interrupting. He did this all through the primaries and I was wishing that Lester Holt would call him out, or even better, cut out his mic. And did no one ever teach him about blowing his nose?

  41. Suzanne said on September 27, 2016 at 9:44 am

    A commenter on the NYTimes site referred to Trump as Coke-nose McFidgety. Wish I had come up with that.

  42. Dorothy said on September 27, 2016 at 10:35 am

    Jerri my condolences for you and your family. I’ll be thinking of her in January when Mrs. Clinton is inaugurated as the next President. And I loved how you referred to this space as a lifeline. It’s been that and more for me too for many years!

    On a lighter note, has anyone checked to see if Rosie O’Donnell might be available to sit in the front row at the next debate?

  43. LAMary said on September 27, 2016 at 10:36 am

    Jerri, so sorry about your mom. Peace to you and all your family,

  44. Suzanne said on September 27, 2016 at 10:37 am

    My condolences, Jerri. Peace and comfort.

  45. Joe K said on September 27, 2016 at 11:37 am

    Sorry Jerri it’s never easy.
    Paddling the intercoastal in Orange Beach Alabama, sky is blue water is too,dolphins playing and the Navy is flying, come on down.
    Pilot Joe

  46. brian stouder said on September 27, 2016 at 11:38 am

    Jerri, indeed – what all the other nn.c people are saying.

    My mom passed away almost 4 years ago, and I believe she went out of this world a happy person.

    Still miss her, though

  47. Sherri said on September 27, 2016 at 11:42 am

    Sorry for your loss, Jerri.

  48. brian stouder said on September 27, 2016 at 11:47 am

    and speaking of my mom, I’m certain she’d have reacted the same way I did just a moment ago, when I saw this story:

    http://wane.com/2016/09/26/person-seriously-hurt-in-shooting/

    Fort Wayne is in the midst of a wave of shootings and so on, and I can’t tell from the photo, but I’m thinking this is on the same block I grew up on, and where my mom resolutely stayed until the last weeks of her life, when we finally got her to hospice.

    She’d have heard these shots, as would her neighbors, who are (with a few exceptions) salt-of-the-earth good people

  49. Sherri said on September 27, 2016 at 11:52 am

    Have people noticed that Trump has more trouble holding it together later in the evening? It seems like he’s more likely to go crazy at evening rally, he melted down in the second half of this debate, he usually travels to NY each night to sleep in his own bed. In classic projection, he constantly talks about stamina.

    Maybe he’s sundowning…

  50. Julie Robinson said on September 27, 2016 at 12:01 pm

    The shootings are very troubling, and I wish I knew how to stop them. Of course, being a good liberal, I always think that good jobs would help.

    On a much, much lighter note, I’ve been a Lin-Manuel Miranda fan since the early days of his first musical, In the Heights. When Hamilton Chicago tickets went on sale I spent six hours online, on the phone, and on the app trying to but them with no luck. Today they released a new block and in 10 minutes I scored! Happy Birthday, Merry Christmas, and Happy Mother’s Day to me.

  51. brian stouder said on September 27, 2016 at 12:10 pm

    Julie – excellent news!

    And you have to give us the full review, afterward

  52. Jenine said on September 27, 2016 at 12:28 pm

    I’m just skimming this morning because even detailed retellings of the Trump performance are making me unhappy. But thank you for letting me benefit from your reports and stronger constitutions.
    @24 basset, that was an excellent exchange, made me laugh.
    My condolences to Jerri.
    And Julie — what fabulous Ham news!

  53. Jakash said on September 27, 2016 at 12:43 pm

    It’s so bizarre that Rumpelthinskin is SO concerned about the country’s Yuge deficit, has big plans for super-upgrading the military to the Russian standards he so admires and plans on boldly and simply making America’s infrastructure great again. Yet he pretty readily admitted that he’s often paid NO federal income tax, himself, and that that makes him and his one-percenter cohorts “smart.” If a guy like him PAYS nothing to support the nation, where are we gonna get the money to do all the great things he thinks he can do? Even after his masterful chest-thumping and bullying, the Saudis and Japanese are only gonna kick in so much, after all.

    He’s a rich guy who’s proud to have profited off the misfortunes of millions during the financial meltdown — “That’s called business, by the way.” — yet gives nothing back, either in taxes or charity. “Populist,” my eye.

  54. Scout said on September 27, 2016 at 12:53 pm

    Jerri… sending condolences. It is indeed a good thing to have a happy place like nn.c to escape to during difficult times, as well as a community of caring people to share in your sadness.

    Twitter is absolutely brilliant for getting the pulse of events like the debate. My favorite tweets so far: “He took the bronze in a two person race.” “Boy that Ted Cruz endorsement is playing out like a gypsy curse.”

    Julie R: Awesome about the Hamilton tickets! We just saw In the Heights last week at Phoenix Theater and loved it.

  55. Sue said on September 27, 2016 at 1:50 pm

    I’m sorry for your loss, Jerri. It’s never easy.

  56. Sue said on September 27, 2016 at 1:51 pm

    Apparently Donald Trump does not like to engage in conspiracy theories, but someone sabotaged his mic last night.

  57. Sue said on September 27, 2016 at 1:54 pm

    If you use the ‘well we said Hillary was sick and turned out she really was’ logic, then Mr. Sniffles in using coke big time. And sundowning too if Sherri’s right.
    It would be irresponsible not to speculate.

  58. Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on September 27, 2016 at 2:10 pm

    Grace and peace to you, Jerri. Here’s hoping we can continue to keep your mind and heart in a good place as you handle these next few days . . .

    A good liberal friend in town posted something on my Facebook saying, so sweetly and I know she was sincere, not sarcastic, in that she assumed most Trump supporters paid “their fair share of taxes.” So it fell to me to point out to her the following from Wikipedia’s entry on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_evasion_in_the_United_States under the heading “Occurrence”:

    The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) has identified small business and sole proprietorship employees as the largest contributors to the tax gap between what Americans owe in federal taxes and what the federal government receives. Small business and sole proprietorship employees contribute to the tax gap because there are few ways for the government to know about skimming or non-reporting of income without mounting more significant investigations.

    The willful failures to report tips, income from side-jobs, other cash receipts, and barter income items are examples of illegal cheating. Similarly, those persons who are self-employed (or who run small businesses) evade the assessment or payment of taxes if they intentionally fail to report income. One study suggested that the fact that sharing economy firms like Airbnb, Lyft, and Etsy do not file 1099-K forms when participants earn less than $20,000 and have fewer than 200 transactions, results in significant unreported income.[10]

    The typical tax evader in the United States is a male under the age of 50 in the highest tax bracket and with a complicated return, and the most common means of tax evasion is overstatement of charitable contributions, particularly church donations.[11]

  59. alex said on September 27, 2016 at 2:12 pm

    I offer my condolences also, Jerri.

  60. Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on September 27, 2016 at 2:15 pm

    Sue, did you say it would irresponsible not to speculate? You have some company.

    (Sorry, it’s very hard to unhear that supercut.)

  61. Jolene said on September 27, 2016 at 2:35 pm

    A view of the debate from, apparently, another universe.

    And my sympathy to you too, Jerri. My dad died eight years ago and my mom seven. Their last year’s were a challenge for all of us, but I still miss them.

  62. susan said on September 27, 2016 at 2:49 pm

    This is a first: This morning I saw a Trump/Pence Make Amurkkka Great Again flag, flapping in the breeze under an American flag, on a big flag pole in the front yard of a house. The occupant (upper middle-aged white male, natch) of this place also has a long of line of right-wing politician campaign signs (including a Trump/Pence) next to his driveway. Guess he liked Drumphth’s performance last night, as that flag was not there yesterday.

  63. susan said on September 27, 2016 at 2:51 pm

    At least the Drumphth flag was below the American flag. I did want to stop by and ask him where his confederate flag is. But, he no doubt is armed, and probably smells bad, too.

  64. jcburns said on September 27, 2016 at 2:53 pm

    Gave proof…after the debate…that the flag wasn’t still there.
    Oh say does that non-starry Trump banner yet wave
    O’er the domain of the porch and the home…of a…pasty white guy.

  65. Connie said on September 27, 2016 at 2:59 pm

    Just read an article on nbcnews.com that referred to a Miss USA as a reining winner. Journalists how does this happen?

  66. brian stouder said on September 27, 2016 at 3:00 pm

    jc for thread win!!

  67. brian stouder said on September 27, 2016 at 3:02 pm

    Connie – maybe Miss USA’s talent was a display of her equestrian skills?

  68. Jolene said on September 27, 2016 at 3:06 pm

    <I"Journalists how does this happen?"

    It happens ALL the time. I know that copy editors have been among the first to go at many papers, but shouldn’t the writer know the difference between reign and rein?

    Drives me bonkers. Sometimes I think I am the last person in America to care about any kind of correctness. Happily, nn.com lets me know I’m not alone.

  69. Dorothy said on September 27, 2016 at 3:06 pm

    bassett @ 24 – you should have said “How about a pack of matches so I could get rid of all this junk?!”

  70. Sherri said on September 27, 2016 at 3:12 pm

    Trump can’t take the slightest criticism. Today, he says that the Miss Universe winner gained a massive amount of weight and that it was a big problem. No sniffles, it was a bad mic.

    This man is too thin-skinned to be anywhere near power.

  71. Sherri said on September 27, 2016 at 3:19 pm

    I was talking with my friend last night after the debate about the election, and how it just shouldn’t be close, and our dismay at the racism and bigotry going on. We were also concerned about the apparent desire for an authoratarian strong man, and she mentioned the overlap between southern evangelicals and authoratarian impulses. I reminded her that I grew up in that subculture, and she laughed and said, this is probably triggering PTSD for you!

    The thing is, I think she’s right to a degree.

  72. BethB from Indiana said on September 27, 2016 at 3:27 pm

    Jerri, I echo what Jolene and many others here have said. I am so sorry for your loss. I lost both of my parents in 2009, and I miss every day.

    About last night’s debate: This is from Alexandra Petri of The Washington Post,

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2016/09/27/last-nights-debate-or-the-mansplaining-olympics/?utm_term=.9413de4d0386

    (I hope the link works.)

  73. basset said on September 27, 2016 at 3:30 pm

    Dorothy, I am becoming a lot less confrontational as I enter the senior years… although I did get a lot closer to it a few summers ago at another flea market, this time near Ardmore, Alabama. This redneck was selling t-shirts showing a monkey Obama biting into a watermelon… he started with the “what YOU lookin’ at?” and I came back at him, honestly thought I was gonna have to fight my way out of there but with Mrs. B along I thought better of it and left before the situation got violent.

  74. Jolene said on September 27, 2016 at 3:46 pm

    The cast of Will and Grace made a video re supporting HRC. Pretty clever.

    Scroll down to the middle of this article re Hollywood types supporting Demicrats to see it.

  75. Kirk said on September 27, 2016 at 4:06 pm

    Connie@65: A lot of non-journalists are getting hired (and underpaid and undertrained) to do work far better done by journalists. The Gatehouse Media copy-editing hub in Austin, Texas, does tons of such work for the dozens of newspaper that company owns, including, sadly, the Columbus Dispatch. They basically hire people off the street who have no clue about editing, writing headlines, writing photo captions, grammar, spelling or much of anything else, and it certainly shows.

    With a story about the Cleveland Indians winning their way into the baseball playoffs, the noon news on the Columbus CBS-TV affiliate today ran this subscript: “Playoff birth”

  76. jcburns said on September 27, 2016 at 4:14 pm

    To use an old-technology metaphor, it’s as if today’s copy gatekeepers are working off a faded, smudged Xerox copy of our culture.

  77. Deborah said on September 27, 2016 at 4:26 pm

    I read somewhere today that there’s a new word. We’ve all heard mansplaining before now there’s manterupting. Perfect.

  78. basset said on September 27, 2016 at 4:28 pm

    Kirk and JCBurns, I am disappointed that you have failed to appreciate the net net value maximizations leveraged by the alternate core competencies and fresh perspectives of our on-demand, contract-sourced workforce. And wood you lyke frys with that?

  79. jcburns said on September 27, 2016 at 4:31 pm

    For all intensive purposes, you win, Basset.

  80. Heather said on September 27, 2016 at 4:35 pm

    Jolene, that link perfectly illustrates the sad fact that some people (extreme conservatives *cough*) have a really hard time that a woman could actually be that smart and articulate in a high-pressure situation.

  81. Sherri said on September 27, 2016 at 5:32 pm

    The Trump campaign thinks that the best response to last nights debate is to have Rudy Giuliani attack Hillary Clinton over Monica Lewinsky?

    I hope Kellyanne Conway got a lot of money for her soul.

  82. LAMary said on September 27, 2016 at 5:58 pm

    Aside from just being lame, Giuliani attacking anyone for infidelities is ridiculous. I think Giuliani is having some dementia issues.

  83. David C. said on September 27, 2016 at 6:39 pm

    No, he’s just an asshole.

  84. Deborah said on September 27, 2016 at 6:41 pm

    Seriously that Conway woman is something else. When she worked for Cruz she said vile things about Trump and now she’s acting like Trump walks on water. Has she no decency?

  85. Sherri said on September 27, 2016 at 7:20 pm

    Great video by Joss Whedon’s Save The Day: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ox4HbjT0HKk

  86. Sherri said on September 27, 2016 at 7:31 pm

    Another friend and I were talking today about how we couldn’t understand how any woman could vote for Trump.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/act-four/wp/2016/09/27/women-of-america-this-is-how-much-leading-republicans-hate-you

  87. Deggjr said on September 27, 2016 at 7:49 pm

    Sherri, #81, why? Her soul clearly isn’t worth much.

  88. Heather said on September 27, 2016 at 7:57 pm

    Sherri, I always think of the line in the Sylvia Plath poem: “Every woman adores a Fascist.”

  89. Sherri said on September 27, 2016 at 8:05 pm

    Deggjr, I’m trying to be a generous person. My belief is that you never get a good deal when you sell your soul. Maybe if she gets a lot of money from Trump, her 4 children will be exposed to a wider world.

  90. alex said on September 27, 2016 at 8:14 pm

    Her soul ain’t worth much but her hole (the one in her head/face) is probably gonna land a multi-zillion-dollar contract on right-wing cable as soon as this carnival-barking gig is done.

  91. Jerri said on September 27, 2016 at 8:51 pm

    Thank you all for making me cry and smile at the same time.

  92. Sherri said on September 27, 2016 at 9:38 pm

    Evangelicals flocking to Trump, as illogical as it seems, was inevitable. One, they’ve always been at the forefront of white resentment politics. Two, they don’t like women.
    Both of those things were true long before abortion ever became an issue in evangelical circles.

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/evangelicals-have-rallied-to-trumps-side/

  93. Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on September 28, 2016 at 12:00 am

    Sherri, I’m in such a good mood having just driven back from Athens to see my son in his first college symphonic band concert I’ll be cheery and brief. The 538 chart is specifically of Evangelical Republicans – and then all the derivations and generalizations that follow, including yours, talk as if that sorted cohort is the whole.

    In fact, pretty consistently some 30% of evangelicals are solidly Democratic party voters, and generalizations about evangelical Christians are about as accurate as any comment saying “all women are” or that “women are flocking to” any one trend.

    Within the evangelical world there are specific traditions that are more “complementarian” than “egalitarian,” or what you would refer to as “don’t like women.” My wife and I are non-complementarian and she’s even neglected to tack my name onto hers, but we live and work and worship around lots of families and women who are very much affirming of a distinction between women’s roles and men’s in families that is the heart of the complementarian position in conservative Christianity, and I have no trouble at all with agreeing with you that it’s a misreading of the tradition, a dead end looking forward, and not a position that serves women well . . . but to say evangelicals don’t like women isn’t a statement that I think holds up. Many evangelicals confuse cultural traditions with religious essentials, and we’ve still got a long way to go. Rachel Held Evans has been doing a lot of good writing on this subject, growing up in and still living in the middle of that context (she’s from Dayton, TN, a town which should sound familiar along with Mr. Scopes, a former resident and schoolteacher).

    But regardless of where you put the cutoff for “liking women” and accepting them in different roles than you’re used to, evangelicals aren’t monolithic. Hillary has an opportunity among evangelical women that I suspect her team is working hard to exploit, because Trump is not making a good impression among any religious conservatives I know unless they were already hardline culture warriors, and that’s not a working majority. It was always a vocal subgroup, even more so today. I’d look for those evangelical moms with kids who already listen to Christian rock stations mainly because they don’t want graphic content or profanity in their music — Trump’s already got them leaning back. It’s far from impossible to draw significant votes from evangelical women for Hillary.

  94. Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on September 28, 2016 at 12:01 am

    Yeah, well, brief. Oh well. 😉

    It was a great concert, and my son passed his third challenge in the Marching 110, and will be on the field as well as pre-game for Homecoming. It’s a good first year for him in beautiful Athens, Ohio!

  95. Sherri said on September 28, 2016 at 12:15 am

    I’m well familiar with Dayotn, TN, but if I’m not mistaken, Rachel Held Evans is now Episcopalean, having made a journey I’m familiar with. If Wikipedia is to be believed, she now attends an Episcopal church in Cleveland, TN, which is where my in-laws live.

    I am aware that there are differences among evangelicals, and will confess to using that term as a shorthand for a particular brand, but I wouldn’t call them a vocal minority. I think that Southern Baptists are still the largest Protestant denomination in the country, and they are most definitely complementarian. We may have to agree to disagree over whether that constitutes not liking women, but my personal experience growing up in that particular faith tradition did not leave me with a sense that I was truly valued. And that was before the radical right turn that the denomination took, before the takeover by the hardcore conservatives.

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