Here comes the slouching.

My Scarlett O’Hara face is not exactly firm right now. There are moments of groaning and pulling covers over my head. Like when I read something like this:

President-elect Donald Trump on Monday told a group of about 25 television executives and anchors that he wants a “cordial” and “productive” relationship with the media, according to one source in the room, but he still aired some grievances during the off-the-record gathering in Trump Tower.

The source said the meeting started with a typical Trump complaint about the “dishonest media,” and that he specifically singled out CNN and NBC News for example as “the worst.”

He also complained about photos of himself that NBC used that he found unflattering, the source said.

Trump turned to NBC News President Deborah Turness at one point, the source said, and told her the network won’t run a nice picture of him, instead choosing “this picture of me,” as he made a face with a double chin. Turness replied that they had a “very nice” picture of him on their website at the moment.

An infant. A child. Holy shit.

I have a big staff meeting tomorrow and don’t really feel like writing anything other than my end-of-year self-evaluation. Also, I have to see what rough beast, its hour come round at last, slouches toward Bethlehem to be born.

Later!

Posted at 8:29 pm in Current events |
 

79 responses to “Here comes the slouching.”

  1. FDChief said on November 21, 2016 at 8:35 pm

    And, still, an unabashed conman and grifter.

    At some wifi pub on a dingy sidestreet of Valhalla the three revenants dressed in worn blue sitting in the corner booth pause over their whiskey as they overhear the Valkyries at the next table over – who have just opened their Æsirnet connection – swear and exclaim something about “…already working on becoming the most fucking corrupt presidential administration in American history”.

    Bill Sherman guffaws and slaps the dusty little man sitting beside him as Phil Sheridan raises his glass to his friend. Ulysses Grant simply takes a long pull on his stogie and slouches back with a sour little knowing smirk that says everything you need to know about his opinion of the coming corruption of the 45th President of the United States.

    http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/11/donald-trump-business-white-house-conflict-interests

  2. Deborah said on November 21, 2016 at 8:57 pm

    The only good thing about all of this in my world is that my right wing sister and I can actually agree on something. She didn’t vote for him and neither did I. She thinks his business stuff stinks to high heaven too. The down side is she’s happy about what Ryan is doing to healthcare which fries me and she knows it.

  3. LAMary said on November 21, 2016 at 9:35 pm

    Listening this morning to a report about Trump’s tax plan. Good news if you’re rich, maybe ok news if you’re poor, probably lousy news if you’re in the middle. The center cannot hold.

  4. Suzanne said on November 21, 2016 at 10:05 pm

    And there is this:
    http://www.politicususa.com/2016/11/21/video-shows-white-supremacists-celebrating-trump-win-nazi-salutes.html

    And yet, I still see people on Facebook & Twitter claiming Trump really is a good person and doesn’t mean all that nasty stuff he says.

    I really do just want to cry.

  5. Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on November 21, 2016 at 11:52 pm

    You. Can’t. Make. This. Stuff. Up.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/trump-canada-yukon-1.3235254

  6. Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on November 21, 2016 at 11:54 pm

    Sample:

    Trump acted as cook, bouncer, waiter.

    But Blair cautions: “I wouldn’t call him a pimp.”

  7. Julie Robinson said on November 22, 2016 at 12:03 am

    In all fairness, whose family doesn’t have any scoundrels? Attack him on anything else and I’m with you, but not this one.

  8. Jolene said on November 22, 2016 at 12:05 am

    I see Herr Drumpf’s success in Canada as a predictor of Donald’s success in the hotel business.

  9. Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on November 22, 2016 at 12:14 am

    Julie, you don’t see a continuity? I come from a long line of deserters and ne’er-do-wells and grifters myself, but when you read about Friedrich’s particular business acumen, the apple isn’t falling very far from the cider-press.

  10. Sherri said on November 22, 2016 at 1:04 am

    Scratch the patina off inherited wealth, and you usually find some sordidness underneath. Friedrich’s seems more honest than many.

  11. Dexter said on November 22, 2016 at 1:26 am

    Arabella works in the NYC Tenement Museum. She and her dad Jim are Facebook friends of mine. Arabella posted this:
    http://news.trust.org/item/20161121202505-dguoc/

  12. Sherri said on November 22, 2016 at 3:46 am

    It’s a funny world when the people who bleat the most about personal responsibility don’t want to talk about words or deeds, but only what’s in their heart. It’s their intent that matters.

    Your intent, on the other hand, is irrelevant. You must take responsibility for your actions.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/11/jeff_sessions_racism_sadly_doesn_t_matter.html

  13. Suzanne said on November 22, 2016 at 6:36 am

    Interesting Dexter. I’ve visited the Tenement Museum which is very informative and interesting.

  14. alex said on November 22, 2016 at 6:45 am

    The normalization of white supremacists reminds me very much of the normalization of the religious right under Ronald Reagan. I remember getting into a heated argument with a leftist sociology prof in the ’80s who said the religious right had a valid claim that their way of life was being taken away from them and society was ignoring their concerns and not giving them a place at the table; I argued back that they want to take our way of life away from us rather than just peacefully coexist. This discussion took place after some lunatic pastor from the Indianapolis Baptist Temple had come to IU to give a lecture about homosexuality being a Chinese communist plot to depopulate the U.S. so they could take us over. By some sort of dark magic the Chinese were going to make everyone homosexual and weak and sissified and our armies would be powerless to fend off their troops because our troops would be too busy fornicating with each other to care. I was astounded that anyone peddling such silliness, much less hatred, would be given a podium at a university and treated the same as if he were a scholar.

    Trump throwing tantrums because he doesn’t like his picture. It would be funny if it weren’t so sad. I hope those media execs and journalists came away from that meeting with a greater understanding of where that fool’s goat is tied and the resolve to untie it.

  15. Suzanne said on November 22, 2016 at 7:07 am

    Alex, the Chinese again? Changing people’s sexual orientation and fooling yuuge numbers of scientists that climate change is real. They can do it all, can’t they?

  16. ROGirl said on November 22, 2016 at 8:39 am

    At what point will he start trying to retaliate against those who don’t obey his wishes? Can he sign executive orders? Will he sic the rabid attack dogs on them? Who will roll over and play along to curry favor? Who will resist?

  17. LindaG said on November 22, 2016 at 9:49 am

    At this point I would gather that Godwin’s Law no longer is applicable on the Internet.

  18. brian stouder said on November 22, 2016 at 10:02 am

    Well, as the news bulletins continue to pop in, regarding our new president-elect (he’s decided not prosecute HRC, and he has admitted to self-dealing from his foundation…and the morning is young!), here’s a story that would have gone wildly viral, a month ago (before Halloween) 0 doped candy?!

    http://wane.com/2016/11/21/dealers-using-thc-laced-edibles-to-attract-young-people/

    a (fairly poorly written) excerpt:

    Several students at West Noble High School were caught trying to deal lollipops laced with THC. The small suckers could pack a big punch. Typically, edibles can contain anywhere between 70 and 100 percent of THC. Marijuana has just 17 to 30 percent.

    And the candy doesn’t look like anything out of the ordinary

  19. Judybusy said on November 22, 2016 at 10:10 am

    Here’s what WaPo had to say on not pressing charges against Clinton: “Trump’s apparent decision, conveyed by campaign manager Kellyanne Conway in an interview on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” would be an extraordinary break with political and legal protocol, which holds that the attorney general and FBI make decisions on whether to conduct investigations and file charges, free of pressure from the president.”

    I went to a Town Hall meeting with my state reps last night. We lost control of the house and sentate in MN, but our gov is Democratic. Our Dem reps stated that we can expect to see many of the same laws put forward in other states: vouchers in schools, religious freedom (actually bigotry) protections, and pro-pipeline actions. They will also likely try to dismantle efforts to promote solar power. Democrats tend to stay home in non-Presidential years, so GOTV will be critical in 2018, when we will elect a new governor. The current governor, Dayton, is not running again.

    I also learned that my US House rep, Keith Ellison, worked hard to increase voter participation in my district; since 2004 he doubled it. There was a lot of support in the room for his taking the leadership of the DNC.

  20. nancy said on November 22, 2016 at 10:16 am

    Judy, Keith Ellison was just on “Keepin it 1600,” talking about that very issue.

  21. Judybusy said on November 22, 2016 at 10:18 am

    Nancy, thanks to you, I’ve been listening to that podcast. I will download the new episode–thanks!

  22. susan said on November 22, 2016 at 10:21 am

    Judybusy, don’t you think the DNC leadership position should be a paid full-time job? Without the responsibilities of trying to fend off the unrelenting march to authoritarianism by the Thugs in Congress? Keep Ellison focussed and hire someone, such as Howard Dean, to get back to the 50-state game.

  23. brian stouder said on November 22, 2016 at 10:42 am

    This article reads like a second-rate political satire

    http://money.cnn.com/2016/11/22/media/trump-new-york-times-meeting/index.html?adkey=bn

    an excerpt:

    “Mr. Trump’s staff has told us that the President Elect’s meeting with The [New York] Times is on again,” Eileen Murphy, head of communications for the Times, said in a statement. “He will meet with our publisher off-the-record and that session will be followed by an on-the-record meeting with our journalists and editorial columnists.”

    The back-and-forth showed Trump’s impulsive nature and his combative approach toward top news organizations.

    and

    Here’s what happened:

    Trump originally asked for the meeting with Times executives, and also agreed to meet on the record with reporters and columnists. The Times announced the meeting on Monday.

    But on Tuesday morning, Trump said on Twitter that the “terms and conditions” had changed at the last minute — a claim The Times denied, saying it was in fact Trump who had tried to alter the conditions.

    “Not nice,” Trump said in an early morning tweet. He called the newspaper “failing,” a favorite insult. In a second tweet minutes later, the president-elect said: “Perhaps a new meeting will be set up with the @nytimes. In the meantime they continue to cover me inaccurately and with a nasty tone!”

    now approaching MEGO

    (my eyes glaze over)

  24. Judybusy said on November 22, 2016 at 10:50 am

    Susan, I am just beginning to look into this–the amount of time it takes to be an effective chair is a concern I have. I will freely admit I don’t have a good handle on all the duties involved with the DNC chair. I was merely observing that this district greatly admires and respects Ellison, but they won’t be the only people weighing in.

  25. adrianne said on November 22, 2016 at 10:58 am

    Yes, my suspicion is that Jared Kushner, the son in law, saw the early morning tweetstorm, said, “are you f-ing kidding me?” and forced Trump to reschedule the meeting with the Times. It was such a chickenshit move.

  26. Jenine said on November 22, 2016 at 11:14 am

    Maybe your hearts will be lifted, as mine was, by learning about the existence of the position of Swanfather in Hamburg Germany. The Schwanenvater protects and cares for the city swans. Here he and an assistant manhandle the swans into barges to move them to their winter quarters. There is a prophecy about the swans of Hamburg (sort of like the ravens in the Tower) and that the city’s wellbeing depends on there always being swans on the Alster Lake. Swans are such big aggressive beasts, I admire the way he slings them around.

  27. Scout said on November 22, 2016 at 11:55 am

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/trump-s-meetup-with-the-press-bigs

    I so want all of them to have come away from that thinking, ‘fck access, we’re gonna bury that sumbitch.’ Now this: “The National Policy Institute, which its website says is “dedicated to the heritage, identity, and future of people of European descent,” held a conference Saturday in the Ronald Reagan Building in downtown Washington, D.C. Reports from the event described attendees giving Nazi salutes and shouting “Heil victory!”

    Richard Spencer, the group’s founder who claims to have invented the term “alt-right,” ended his own remarks by toasting with “Heil Trump!” and “Heil our people!””

    I am so disgusted I can’t even look at people who voted for this shit.

  28. MichaelG said on November 22, 2016 at 12:09 pm

    Thanks for asking, Jolene. I’m hanging in there. My Oncologist can’t believe me. She expected me to die back in 2014 but after three years, three surgeries and Lord knows how much chemotherapy, (more tomorrow), I’m still here. I had a period during October during which I was pretty sick but they adjusted my meds and I feel very good right now. My wonderful Ex, the lovely T, has been so good to me. She’s a life saver. When I got sick, she was the first one there.

    Jeff B, forget the Canadian stuff when you go to Spain. They can spot an American a block away. You’ll see what I mean after a few days. Just be yourself. Spain is a great country. I’ve never felt threatened, concerned, worried or anything else but safe and happy and I’ve been all over Barcelona and Madrid and several other cities– and I’m a 72 year old man with cancer. Elevators are everywhere even Metro stations. Prices are reasonable, food and drink are excellent, the streets are full of life and people. Spain is a walking country. Strap on your walkers and hoof it. Or take the bus. I’ve learned to take the bus all over town. You can get multi ride tickets at any Metro station. The machines are all in Spanish and can be a bit confusing. I just stand there and look stupid (comes naturally for me) and someone always comes up to help. It’s that kind of place.

    For money, stay away from the cambios and use the ATM. They’re all over the place and they have screens in English. If you have a problem or question, go inside the bank. They’ll be pleased to help you. Just remember to call your ATM and credit card providers to inform them that you will be in Spain and of the dates you’ll be there. Otherwise, they’ll lock your card the first time you try to use it.

    Get several maps and guide books and look them over before you go. Some maps are good and some are crap. You’ll see. For major museums and tourist attractions have the hotel desk get you tickets in advance. You can get them on line before you go if you know dates, etc. Walk and take the bus. I don’t use the Metro because, while it’s clean and safe and on time (as is the bus), it’s underground and I can’t see a thing. The reason I’m there is to see stuff so it’s the bus for me. Also the taxi. They’re cheap. You can’t really get lost. If you misplace yourself or find yourself pooped, simply hail a cab and show the driver the hotel business card you picked up at the desk. He’ll take you home.

    Smile, be polite, say “please” and “thank you”. Don’t worry if you don’t speak Spanish (I don’t to my shame). You’ll work things out. Open your mind, go with the flow and you’ll have the time of your life. I know you’ll love Spain. I do.

  29. Scout said on November 22, 2016 at 12:37 pm

    I’m with MichaelG – Spain is awesome and Barcelona is my favorite city in the world. The people are wonderful. I’d move there in a heartbeat if I could. Especially now.

  30. Sherri said on November 22, 2016 at 12:55 pm

    What to watch for and expect from Trump’s SoS pick: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2016/11/21/how-much-power-will-trumps-foreign-policy-advisers-have-heres-what-the-research-says/

  31. Sherri said on November 22, 2016 at 1:03 pm

    The 2015 Trump Foundation tax return is now available, in which the Foundation admits to self-dealing (perhaps due to David Fahrehthold’s work?): https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-foundation-apparently-admits-to-violating-ban-on-self-dealing-new-filing-to-irs-shows/2016/11/22/893f6508-b0a9-11e6-8616-52b15787add0_story.html

  32. Jolene said on November 22, 2016 at 2:55 pm

    FYI: If you’re at home, you might want to tune in to cable news. President Obama is about to award the last batch of Medals of Freedom. Not too many more opportunities to see Obama in public ceremonies, and lots of cool people receiving the award.

  33. alex said on November 22, 2016 at 3:00 pm

    I’m imagining Trump presenting Medals of Freedom. James O’Keefe, Milo Yiannopoulos, David Duke…

  34. Sherri said on November 22, 2016 at 4:26 pm

    The exile problem: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/22/upshot/the-states-that-college-graduates-are-most-likely-to-leave.html

    The big advantage of a large, dense metropolitan area is the variety of jobs. If my husband wants to leave Microsoft, he can look at Amazon, Google, Facebook, or several other companies doing work in his field without us having to move. Tennessee, where we got undergrad degrees, doesn’t offer anything comparable. Pittsburgh, where we did graduate work, now does, but didn’t 25 years ago when we left.

  35. Peter said on November 22, 2016 at 4:43 pm

    Jolene, one of those recipients is my wife’s current (and Barack and Michelle’s former) coworker: Newt Minnow.

  36. Scout said on November 22, 2016 at 5:04 pm

    Scalzi writes about the alt-right and the media today. Good stuff.

    http://whatever.scalzi.com/2016/11/22/two-weeks-in/

  37. Jolene said on November 22, 2016 at 5:31 pm

    I’m imagining Trump presenting Medals of Freedom. James O’Keefe, Milo Yiannopoulos, David Duke…

    Have had this thought often in the past two weeks, as President Obama has spoken thoughtfully about both domestic and international affairs at press conferences in DC, Greece, Germany, and Peru, as he addressed a group of young up-and-comers in Peru, and, now, today, at the Medal of Freedom ceremony. Heartbreaking, really.

    Here is the full ceremony. Very much worth watching if you have the time. Many touching and amusing tributes.

  38. Jolene said on November 22, 2016 at 5:41 pm

    Glad to hear from you, MichaelG, and glad to hear that you are feeling reasonably well.

  39. Sherri said on November 22, 2016 at 5:52 pm

    Trumpism in my town: http://komonews.com/news/local/redmond-mosque-vandalized

  40. MichaelG said on November 22, 2016 at 6:08 pm

    So today, after a visit to Kaiser’s lab, I had a (very) expensive lunch with T. We ate at Mulvaney’s B&L if anybody is familiar with Sacramento. It was an excellent lunch with real flavor (notice how many restaurants serve food that doesn’t really taste like anything?). I even had wine for my first drink in two months. Great food. Yummy. Great service.

  41. coozledad said on November 22, 2016 at 6:42 pm

    Me and my wife spent the afternoon picking up the signs from the Democratic candidates in our county whom we had largely funded, even the Bernie fucking trash who never stood a chance because of gullibilty and p[ersonal cleanliness issues, and I wondered for a moment how we could electorally get hold of a swathe of white trash whose sole source of information is a set of television psychodramas and meth.

    Our neighbors just got fuckbonked by a meth crew, looking for jewels and guns.

    At this point, I’m wondering whether it would be prescient to order the over/under shotgun, or if it would be an invitation to the meth trash so vigorously celebrated
    in the poverty porn so beloved of the midwest.

  42. Sherri said on November 22, 2016 at 7:23 pm

    Cooz, is Art Pope’s boy McCrory going to steal the election?

  43. coozledad said on November 22, 2016 at 7:33 pm

    Look at this site and tell me how full Americans are of “let”. It’s just poseurs and ass-sitters. They’ll let Republicans do anything they want. They’re white.

  44. Sherri said on November 22, 2016 at 7:55 pm

    I’m not going to fight with you about whether I’m a poseur or an ass-sitter, Cooz, but go ahead. I’m just curious about whether McCrory can pull off stealing the election and thought you might have some insight.

  45. coozledad said on November 22, 2016 at 8:00 pm

    He can do it, and he’ll do it with the blessing of the feebs who blow JTTMO.
    http://www.bluenc.com/

  46. Sherri said on November 22, 2016 at 8:06 pm

    Kris Kobach’s middle name does not begin with K: http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/trumps-ideas-man-for-hard-line-immigration-policy

  47. coozledad said on November 22, 2016 at 8:13 pm

    And having been exposed to a whiteneck terror exercise, I think of you people as small and stupid, and floating in a liquid projector screen of abject stupidity and loss.
    https://rurritable.wordpress.com/wp-admin/post.php?post=7303&action=edit

  48. Sherri said on November 22, 2016 at 8:21 pm

    I usually ignore stories about election irregularities, because too often the claims are based on exit poll data, and the exit polls done here aren’t robust enough to support those kind of claims. However, Alex Halderman is not a nutcase, he was a student of Andrew Appel’s, who studies voting machine hacking. Verified Voting, also not an organization of nutcases, is calling for an audit of the election, too.

    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/11/activists-urge-hillary-clinton-to-challenge-election-results.html

  49. coozledad said on November 22, 2016 at 8:21 pm

    https://rurritable.wordpress.com/2016/11/01/open-letter-to-a-trash-queen/

  50. Suzanne said on November 22, 2016 at 9:48 pm

    Cooze, that kind of reminds me of a guy I spoke with recently. Farmer who has had a bad time of it. His wife died a few years ago and he had an accident which put him in the hospital for several months. He’s diabetic, depressed, and can barely walk even with a walker. But mainly what he wanted to tell me was how much his doctors Tried to screw him over and take his money, how stupid doctors were to say that you had muscles in your body you really didn’t need, same with your tonsils or appendix. I mean, God put those things in your body so how dare some doctor say you didn’t need them?!? And why did he have to fill out paperwork for his insurance company about how his disability left him unable to work? Problem is, see, that those big city insurance claims people don’t understand what a farmer does because if they did, he wouldn’t have to fill out all this crap.
    Much of the middle America angst is made worse by the lack of mental health care. There isn’t much but what is there you don’t access because you just need to buck up, suck up, keep working, and get over your troubles.

  51. Sherri said on November 22, 2016 at 9:58 pm

    Last year, during the mayoral and city council elections here, I heard a lot of complaints that the part of town I lived in was not being represented and not being heard. That was risible, of course, because I live in the most politically active part of the city, and the mayor and half the city council live in this part of the city. What they meant was, they’re not privileging me as much I think I deserve, because I’ve lived here so long/paid so much for my house/whatever.

    I hear the same complaint from rural America. Rural America has a disproportionate amount of power in our government, and gets a disproportionate amount of resources. I don’t deny they have problems that should be addressed, but the idea that rural America is somehow ignored is stupid.

  52. Sherri said on November 22, 2016 at 10:18 pm

    Talk to me some more about Dems ignoring the working class:
    http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/trailguide/la-na-trailguide-updates-texas-judge-blocks-obama-1479857745-htmlstory.html

  53. brian stouder said on November 22, 2016 at 10:34 pm

    Look at this site and tell me how full Americans are of “let”. It’s just poseurs and ass-sitters. They’ll let Republicans do anything they want. They’re white.

    I am white, it’s true.

    And I will indeed “let” whoever wins the elections (including Republicans) govern however they will, since they won the election.

    And Cooze – if we’re gonna cast imprecisely aimed, mass-casualty aspersions on one another, I’d be inclined to point out that no damned resident from North Carolina – a state that committed treason against the United States – is likely to have any damned thing to say to me, that I’m bound to listen to.

    Just sayin’

  54. beb said on November 22, 2016 at 11:32 pm

    Mike the Mad Biologist has the same idea as Sherri @48
    https://mikethemadbiologist.com/2016/11/21/audit-the-vote/
    His point is that there’s a quick way to check election results for cheating. And it is curious that Clinton lost Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. If the voting was fair in those states. fine. It never hurts to audit elections to keep people honest and on their toes.

  55. Sherri said on November 23, 2016 at 12:36 am

    I’m not making an argument that there was any hacking or a problem with the vote. We haven’t seen the evidence yet from the group talking to HRC. I’m noting that these aren’t wild-eyed internet conspiracy theorists, but respected people studying voting security and worth taking seriously.

  56. alex said on November 23, 2016 at 7:26 am

    The candy-asses of the lib press (Slate et al.) aren’t warming up to the idea that the election may have been stolen, but hell yes there should be an audit.

  57. Sherri said on November 23, 2016 at 11:24 am

    Here’s a post by the election security expert mentioned in the NYMag article, describing why he’s pushing for an audit. It’s not just about this year, but about making it a routine part of the election process.

    https://medium.com/@jhalderm/want-to-know-if-the-election-was-hacked-look-at-the-ballots-c61a6113b0ba#.9hektr6wl

  58. Julie Robinson said on November 23, 2016 at 11:41 am

    Today would have been Moe’s birthday, and she has been gone from us for 4 1/2 years now. Remembering a warrior with fondness.

  59. MichaelG said on November 23, 2016 at 12:27 pm

    Persuaded by my present situation, I’ve gone back and read all of Moe’s (Regina’s) posts. She’s an inspiration.

  60. David C. said on November 23, 2016 at 1:33 pm

    Oh my fucking God.

    http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/23/donald-trump-picks-betsy-devos-to-be-education-secretary-nbc-news.html?__source=twitter

    She’s a scAmway daughter-in-law and daughter of Edgar Prince, auto parts billionaire and Generalissimo Franco fan. She hates public schools with a passion. She’s, as far as I can tell, never done anything worthwhile in her life. WASF.

  61. David C. said on November 23, 2016 at 1:34 pm

    Oh, and her brother is Erik Prince, the Blackwater fascist. Like father, like son, like daughter.

  62. kathy t said on November 23, 2016 at 1:58 pm

    Michael G, hurray for you! Just went into stage 4 myself with 2nd round of surgery and chemo still ongoing. It’s good to be alive! I had recently retired with plans for some travelling but oh well, maybe down the road. Still have some offspring at home. We are having a respectable thanksgiving with all 7 kids here, siblings, spouses, kids and friends.
    Is anybody else beset by the notion that thanksgiving celebration is not unlike confederate flagwaving (nothing to do with racism/colonialism! it’s about gratitude! it’s about FAMILY, for Chissakes!)

  63. Sherri said on November 23, 2016 at 2:47 pm

    Especially when you consider the way law enforcement is handling a peaceful protest at Standing Rock? Yeah, Thanksgiving is a little on the nose this year.

  64. Judybusy said on November 23, 2016 at 2:49 pm

    kathy t., I’ll take your bait. I completely disagree that Confederate flagwaving has nothing to do with racism. It is the symbol of a group of people who fought like hell to keep black people enslaved. I don’t think you can get more racist than that.

    David C., you beat me to that news. Also, one of the Trump advisors is wanting to defund climate change research by NASA. I’m so angry with everybody who didn’t vote, voted for Trump, or voted third party right now. I’m showing a lot of restriant by not swearin’ up a storm.

  65. Sue said on November 23, 2016 at 3:06 pm

    Judybusy, I think you’ve got kathy t turned around. Or else I’m understanding her the other way.
    To me it’s always been a celebration of the harvest. No pilgrim decorations in my house. Plus I harvested 4 pounds of carrots yesterday and will be forcing people to eat them, so happy times.

  66. Judybusy said on November 23, 2016 at 3:07 pm

    MichaelG., I meant to say thanks for remembering Moe. I miss her incisive comments.

  67. Judybusy said on November 23, 2016 at 3:08 pm

    Ah, did I miss sarcasm? If so, kathy t. my apologies!

  68. Sue said on November 23, 2016 at 3:08 pm

    Here. THIS will put everyone in the T-day mood.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVQqQuOO9yQ

  69. Sue said on November 23, 2016 at 3:31 pm

    Michael G & kathy t, sending good thoughts your way – I hope you have lots to be thankful for, for a long time.

  70. David C. said on November 23, 2016 at 3:46 pm

    I know what you mean about being angry at anyone who didn’t vote, or in my case, cast a vanity vote. Yesterday, I was at the library and saw a Jill Stein bumper sticker on a car. I beat a hasty retreat because I was afraid I’d say something I’d regret (a bit). Not allowing NASA to do climate science is a disgrace. If the ocean swallows Mar-a-Lago and the rest of Florida, well tough shit.

  71. Sherri said on November 23, 2016 at 4:08 pm

    The GOP already prevents research on gun death. Newt Gingrich got rid of the nonpartisan Office of Technology Assessment, which provided Congress with info on science and tech matters.

    The only expertise the GOP cares about is the bought and paid for kind, from lobbyists. Trump’s going to extend the period before administration members can become lobbyists, so people will talk about “drain the swamp!” I’d bet hard cash money there will be an end-around that restriction, though, like a relaxing of the limits on what you can do before you have to register as a lobbyist.

  72. Sherri said on November 23, 2016 at 4:23 pm

    Probably ten years ago, I told another board member on the schools foundation we were on at the time that I thought there was an intentional movement to destroy public education in this country. She thought I was exaggerating. Our kids are now out of public schools, and I don’t run into her that much, but I wonder what she thinks now?

    That some Dems and liberals have cooperated in this process is both a disgrace and a warning about cooperation with Trump schemes.

  73. kathy t said on November 23, 2016 at 4:41 pm

    Right, Judybusy, my last little bit was sarcasm or an attempt to draw a parallel between the justifications given for confederate flagwaving and thanksgiving rahrah. because it’s kind of the same process, although the confederacy is a little closer to the present day. probably did not make that clear in my attempt to be brief and to the point.

  74. MichaelG said on November 23, 2016 at 5:26 pm

    Good on you Kathy t. Hope you’re feeling good and that you make that trip very soon.

  75. susan said on November 23, 2016 at 6:19 pm

    2016 xmas Carol (draft)

    Oh Holy Shit

    Oh holy shit! The rubes are greatly crapping,
    on remains of our dear Nation’s soul.
    Long will the world, in angst see us fapping,
    ‘Till we know that reason be our goal.
    No thrill of hope, the weary world rejoices
    In America’s broken glorious days.

    Fall on your knees, oh, hear the idiot voices!
    Oh, Trump descends, oh, right, in Trumpian blaze
    Oh, Trump descends, oh Trump descends.

    Led by the light of gilt, serenely beaming,
    With glowing rage by his hairpiece we stand.
    Led by the light of an Orange truly scheming,
    Here come the white men from racist land.
    The Trump of Trump lay high in his lair;
    In all his tweets, forever be our turd.

    He knows our weakness; to our needs, not a care
    Behold your Trump! Before him, lowly herd!
    Behold your Trump! Before him, lowly herd!

    Truly he taught us to hate our brother;
    His law is greed and his truth is lies.
    Chains shall he wave, we are slaves to one another;
    And in his name, oppression shall reach new highs.
    Savage hymns of scorn in hateful chorus we scream
    Let all within us curse his wretched name.

    Trump is our hell. O curse his name forever.
    His power and office, going down in shame.
    His power and office, going down in shame.

  76. beb said on November 23, 2016 at 6:24 pm

    Trump seems to be filling his cabinet with the evilest people he can find. God, what a fucking disaster he is.

  77. Suzanne said on November 23, 2016 at 6:26 pm

    Today I was behind a car that had these three bumper stickers–1) a confederate flag 2) one that said something like “Keep working because you have to pay for the 10,000,000 illegals who are too lazy to work” 3) one that said “Welcome to such & such Covenant Christian Church!” And then some other stuff about Jesus.

    So Blazing Saddles except it’s not satire.

    And if you want a stomach churning experience, Google “illegal immigrant” bumper stickers.

  78. David C. said on November 23, 2016 at 6:37 pm

    Yes, I see so many Mexicans sleeping in the town square under their sombreros and serapes. Oh wait, no. I see them in restaurants, hotels, doing yard work, and generally doing back breaking work, likely paying taxes, and not eligible for most benefits we take for granted. I get those two mixed up.

  79. Deborah said on November 27, 2016 at 8:26 pm

    I think it was Suzanne, maybe Susan who commented here about people she observed wanting life to be simple. After everything I’ve been reading lately about the election, I’m thinking you guys were dead on. again, I’ll comment about this more in the future. I think you guys recognized it way before me and my kind did in our bubble. I wished we’d have listened to you guys earlier, maybe we would have learned something. There seems to be a huge dichotomy between the two Americas, duh. I don’t even know how or where to talk about this. You guys who live in red America are way closer to it than I am. Please elaborate.

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