Who are these people?

If the aim of the Russian election interference was to sow chaos, to widen the gaps in American culture, to make us dislike and distrust one another even more than we already do, is it playing into their hands to believe the evidence in front of one’s own eyes? Just asking. I read David Brooks, oh boy:

So if you want to stop school shootings it’s not enough just to vent and march. It’s necessary to let people from Red America lead the way, and to show respect to gun owners at all points. There has to be trust and respect first. Then we can strike a compromise on guns as guns, and not some sacred cross in the culture war.

O, rly? Why do I have to show respect for gun owners who defend armor-piercing bullets, extra-capacity magazines, plastic guns? Who is being unreasonable here, anyway?

The people who defend gun rights believe that snobbish elites look down on their morals and want to destroy their culture. If we end up telling such people that they and their guns are despicable, they will just despise us back and dig in their heels.

If defending teflon-tipped bullets isn’t despicable, what is it? I’m seriously baffled. The rest of the column goes on to describe a program called Better Angels, aimed at bringing “red and blue tribes” together. But guess who’s the real tribe with the Sadz?

Doherty says that the Reds feel shamed by the Blues to a much greater degree than the Blues realize. Reds are very reluctant to enter into a conversation with Blues, for fear of further shaming, but they often come to the table when they are told that this will be a chance to “de-monsterize” themselves.

At that session one Blue said she was really grateful to hear a Red acknowledge the Republican history on race. When Blues are asked about the stereotypes thrown at them, they tend to list “against religion and morality,” “unpatriotic” and “against personal responsibility” among their responses. They, too, relish the chance to clear the air.

I have to put this stuff aside because it makes me crazy to think about it too deeply. It’s the ultimate both-sidesing and it can make a reasonable person feel like they’re being gaslit. I’m happy to de-monsterize anyone, but I’m not willing to ignore the evidence in front of my eyes. And…

Oh, well. Can’t do this now. Here, have a kitchen picture.

We’re in the homestretch now. They put in the backsplash yesterday.

Grout today, then the new appliances, then lights and finishing touches. All told, three weeks. Then I can start eating vegetables made by my own little hands. I’m hoping my abdominal bloat from three weeks’ worth of pizza and sandwiches will go down shortly thereafter.

Work meeting, then editing. Congrats to Sherri, our commenting-community celebrity of the week. Great story.

Posted at 9:05 am in Current events |

59 responses to “Who are these people?”

  1. Peter said on February 21, 2018 at 9:09 am

    Woo hoo – I’ll repost what I just put in the last post:

    1. Sherri – wow, just wow. I am so impressed.

    2. I’m convinced that Billy Graham is dead because of Trump.

    3. Special shout out to last night’s winner of a statehouse race in Kentucky – the Democrat won her seat back, beating her challenger by 36 points in a district that Trump won by 49 points.

    And the best part – her name is Linda Belcher. ALLLRIIIGGGGGHHHHTTT!

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  2. Suzanne said on February 21, 2018 at 9:22 am

    And that Linda Belcher is an older woman with a little extra padding on her like me!

    My first thought on hearing that Billy Graham died was that he woke up and took a good look at his son and he thought he might as well pass on.

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  3. Judybusy said on February 21, 2018 at 9:28 am

    Two pieces of news, from 538’s Significant Digits:

    1. 36 to 71
    The Florida House voted down by a vote of 36 to 71 a procedural move to allow the body to even consider banning assault rifles and large capacity magazines. They did this in front of survivors of the school shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School. [ABC 10 News]

    2. 41,129 shares
    The Florida Retirement System Pension Plan, which serves the state’s teachers, has a significant investment in American Outdoor Brands Co. — the very same company that manufactured the AR-15 assault rifle used in the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School shooting last week — to the tune of 41,129 shares, worth roughly half a million dollars. [Bloomberg]

    The “shame” felt by gun owners is completely manufactured by the NRA.

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  4. Sherri said on February 21, 2018 at 9:46 am

    Conservatives who like to talk about personal responsibility want to avoid it when it comes to their own choices. Stop me if you’ve heard this before.

    If you’re defending a culture that is killing thousands of people every year, your problem is not that I’m shaming you for it. Maybe your problem, in addition to the dead children, is the dissonance going on in your head as you also try to tell yourself what a good pro-life Christian you are.

    I’m honored to make the front page!

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  5. Deborah said on February 21, 2018 at 9:59 am

    Your kitchen looks splendid, bright and cheerful, love the tile. Those drawer pulls are cool too. I can’t wait to see the grand finale.

    This is something I read recently about shaming by a young black woman who I got introduced to through Gin and Tacos https://www.currentaffairs.org/2018/02/the-politics-of-shame

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  6. Dorothy said on February 21, 2018 at 10:04 am

    That kitchen looks dazzling! And speaking of being dazzled – Sherri – OMG!! I wish I understood the intricacies of the article better, but I am waaay amazed. Loved the tidbit about the Pirates’ PR guy. I made a baby quilt for Jim Leyland’s first born because I was a tour guide at Three Rivers Stadium the year the baby was born. Never met him but it didn’t matter. We Jimmy Leland. He’s quite a guy. Even if he’s not terribly bright.

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  7. Ivor The Engine Driver said on February 21, 2018 at 10:10 am

    It was written:

    “…snobbish elites look down on their morals and want to destroy their culture….”

    Well, I dunno if being a college-educated, car-racing, motorcycle-riding, beer-drinking, hockey-photographing Nam-era veteran qualifies me as an elite snob. Probably, since I think light beer is little more than wet air. Or maybe not, since my brew of choice is made in Milwaukee. But, yeah, I view their alleged morals with contempt and desire to see them all driven out into the wilderness with the other snakes so decent people can live their lives in a culture not modeled after a redneck Bizarro Twilight Zone.

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  8. Sherri said on February 21, 2018 at 10:17 am

    Dorothy, I didn’t mean to imply that I thought I’m Leyland was dumb. I thought the unnamed GM was dumb. (I named the GM, Ben left his name out.)

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  9. Dorothy said on February 21, 2018 at 10:37 am

    Gotcha! Well Jim is plenty smart about being a baseball manager. I was referring to his (perhaps) challenges when it came to math/statistics. And I put a heart emoji in my previous comment to try to say we love Jim but apparently the emoji things don’t work in comments. I didn’t catch it in time to edit it. I’m in a waiting room at my eye doctor’s. Up and down and in and out of various rooms.

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  10. Pam said on February 21, 2018 at 10:44 am

    Indeed, who are these people? Did you watch Oprah’s follow up interview of the Grand Rapids group of 7 liberals and 7 conservatives on 60 Minutes? There was one blow hard in particular who was gag worthy. Typical loud mouth trying to out shout everyone else. It was disgusting and I turned it off just before the promised discussion of the MeToo movement. Didn’t want to break my TV. On the other hand, there was a Frontline program on WOSU last night (part 1) that was very good about why the Middle East is such a mess. Good enough to watch Part 2. Although they tried almost too hard not to show any bias and many questions were left with no answers or even good guesses.

    The kitchen looks great. What material is the countertop? I like it. Put some of that bumpy foam liner stuff in your spice rack pull outs. The cans and bottles don’t weigh much and tend to fall over if you push it closed too hard (which I can see Alan doing, not you, of course). If one of the cans gets stuck, it’s hard to set it right again.

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  11. Jeff Borden said on February 21, 2018 at 10:46 am

    David Brooks is just awful. Not as awful as John Kass (the K is silent) in today’s Chicago Tribune, who blasts liberals for their concern about schoolchildren being slaughtered by gun violence, while showing indifference to the millions of “babies” killed by abortion. I believe he’s won the gold, silver and bronze for false equivalency.

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  12. Julie Robinson said on February 21, 2018 at 10:52 am

    Suzanne, agreed about Franklin Graham, but I’ll risk saying I was never that fond of Billy either. I’m too much a Lutheran to agree with his “you’ve got to decide” schtick.

    We’ve got to respect gun owners? How about them respecting anyone or anything beyond the most narrow interpretation of the Second Amendment? We’ve been respecting them all the way to the cemetery for far too long.

    Anyway…love those cabinets!

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  13. Suzanne said on February 21, 2018 at 10:53 am

    The thing with David Brooks is that he really knows nothing about “Red America” and thinks of it as some benign bucolic utopia. I read his editorials frequently during the election (my work computer was wiped clean every week, so my 10 articles began anew every week. That, sadly, has changed now with a computer change) and read many of them with my head exploding. He doesn’t grasp the mentality of the alt-right tea party types out here at all. Compromise is a dirty word. They won’t lead the way on gun law reform; the 2nd amendment is religious doctrine to them. Hillary wasn’t just a flawed candidate,but the spawn of Satan. The conspiracy theories are not theories but truth; I can’t count the number of conversations I’ve had over the years about Obama being a citizen of the USA no matter where he was born because his mother was a citizen. Few believed me. They hang on Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh’s every word.
    I know the left has a similar strain, but he sees that probably on a daily basis. The mid-American Trump supporter he knows nothing about.

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  14. Ann said on February 21, 2018 at 11:26 am

    The kitchen is going to be gorgeous. And Sherri!

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  15. Sherri said on February 21, 2018 at 11:30 am

    Billy Graham was a saint in my home, not that Southern Baptists believed in saints, that was what those Catholics did, but there were figures who served the same purpose from what I could see. He gets a lot of (deserved) mainstream credit for integrating his crusades in the 50s, and for appearing to be non-partisan.

    His theology is not for me. When you grow up watching the spectacle of invitation and revival meetings regularly, and notice that a significant number keep coming forward, you start wondering about the value of such an emotion-driven process in faith formation.

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  16. alex said on February 21, 2018 at 11:39 am

    I saw the Oprah thing on 60 Minutes and wondered if they edited anything out. When the blowhard (mentioned by Pam above) said that Trump had defeated ISIS, nobody, not even Oprah, bothered to say “What fucking planet are you living on?”

    I thought that moment cut right to the heart of the problem and yet 60 Minutes and Oprah skirted right around it. Half the people at that table are watching bullshit news and yet people are afraid to call bullshit on bullshit.

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  17. alex said on February 21, 2018 at 12:11 pm

    Matter of fact, that asshat was ticking off a list of Trump’s accomplishments and the rest were just as ludicrous.

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  18. susan said on February 21, 2018 at 12:15 pm

    Ah, yes, Billy Graham. His “theology” was not for me, either. Fuck that con. He should have been planted under the grass decades ago.

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  19. beb said on February 21, 2018 at 12:15 pm

    For more on David “Bobo” Brooks’ Better Angels column see here:

    the tl;dr is that Brooks mischaracterizes what the Better Angels group is trying to do, but then Better Angels thinks we just need better conversations without recognizing that perhaps one side is plain nuts.

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  20. Suzanne said on February 21, 2018 at 12:22 pm

    That’s the thing, beb. I don’t think David Brooks understands that the far right really truly believes the crap so many spew. He seems to think it’s hyperbole done for the shock value but often it isn’t. The far right tea party types that I know believe this stuff to their core. Ban bump stocks? They aren’t saying “slippery slope” to get you thinking. They absolutely believe that if bump stocks are banned, the feds will be at your door tomorrow demanding all your guns, even great grandpa’s antique muzzle loader. Brooks needs to spend a month in rural Kansas or Nebraska or Indiana.

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  21. Deborah said on February 21, 2018 at 12:24 pm

    Hard to believe that Ben Stein would write something I agree with https://spectator.org/the-time-for-civilians-to-own-ar-15s-is-over/ this is a tipping point folks.

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  22. Deborah said on February 21, 2018 at 12:32 pm

    My staunch Lutheran mother loved Billy Graham only she would never admit it around other Lutherans. We went to one of his events when I was around 10 at a big auditorium filled to capacity and my mom was scared that someone from our church would find out that she had gone with her family in tow.

    And why would someone go through life calling himself Billy. I dropped Debbie ages and ages ago. Yes I realize Jimmy Carter is in that same boat, must be a southern thing.

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  23. Brandon said on February 21, 2018 at 12:44 pm

    It’s been a while since Gwyneth Paltrow has been discussed here, so here’s an account by someone who tried one of her Goop cleanses.

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  24. nancy said on February 21, 2018 at 12:54 pm

    Truth be told, *I* enjoyed Billy Graham’s preaching, when I was a kid and saw it on his big televised crusades. He was a very effective preacher, if nothing else.

    The Better Angels project sounds similar to, but not as effective as, another project I read about in New York magazine. I posted it at the time, but I encourage you to read it. It’s pretty devastating.

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  25. susan said on February 21, 2018 at 1:02 pm

    Nancy @24 – You must not have been raised Jewish. Try listening to his brand of garbage with that heritage. Graham was always a bigoted con-artist, part of a long tradition of xtian-preachin’ bigoted con-artists. That that man had such access to such (earthly) power was always outrageous.

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  26. nancy said on February 21, 2018 at 1:19 pm

    No, definitely not raised Jewish. I’m speaking only of myself as a 10-year-old kid, watching TV by myself, being taken in by his style, not the message.

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  27. Brandon said on February 21, 2018 at 1:20 pm

    And why would someone go through life calling himself Billy.

    Our immediate past mayor was a Billy. No, he wasn’t known for being mature. But it had nothing to do with his name choice.

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  28. Bitter Scribe said on February 21, 2018 at 1:50 pm

    Brooks has been doing this “liberals look down on poor misunderstood red state dwellers” shtick literally for decades. It’s great because it requires little effort, although it does lead to the occasional howler, like when he said Obama wouldn’t fit in at an Applebee’s salad bar, which doesn’t exist.

    Personally, when a bunch of people who go around in T-shirts that say things like “Fuck Your Feelings” and “Hillary Sucks But Not Like Monica” elect a ridiculously unqualified buffoon president of the United States, I don’t feel a pressing need to reach out to them.

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  29. Jeff Borden said on February 21, 2018 at 2:43 pm

    I was largely ambivalent about Billy Graham, though the tape recordings from the Nixon White House of him conversing with Tricky Dick were pretty awful. But the emergence of his son Franklin convinced me he was not a good father or role model either. Franklin Graham is just a terrible, horrible, ugly human being. Ditto for the hellspawn of Jerry Falwell.

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  30. Suzanne said on February 21, 2018 at 2:43 pm

    THis is also interesting: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/melania-trumps-parents-are-legal-permanent-residents-raising-questions-about-whether-they-relied-on-chain-migration/2018/02/21/3b573df8-1687-11e8-8b08-027a6ccb38eb_story.html?

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  31. Jakash said on February 21, 2018 at 3:04 pm

    That’s a wonderful link @ 28, Scribe.

    “The Obama-as-elitist theme is a common one for Brooks, who asked on PBS’s NewsHour (4/18/08) if Obama ‘actually get[s] the way we live.’ How a Manhattan-raised, University of Chicago-educated New York Times columnist who currently lives in an upscale D.C. suburb could question Obama’s elite position from the point of view of the common folk is pure mystery.”

    A quote of his, from way back when: “I’m glad that the much maligned hawks are around to watch the images of Saddam’s statue falling and the torture chambers emptying. Paul Wolfowitz, Scooter Libby, Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld deserve their share of the glory.” Damn, that was spot-on, prescient commentary!

    I think the days of him being “the liberals’ favorite conservative” may be behind us…

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  32. LAMary said on February 21, 2018 at 4:20 pm

    What that kitchen needs is some curtains like the ones Marge Simpson has in her kitchen. Otherwise it looks great.

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  33. basset said on February 21, 2018 at 4:42 pm

    Suzanne@13 has it exactly right. More than enough stereotyping to go around.

    Never could make a connection with Billy Graham or any other TV preacher. Haven’t connected with in-person preaching, either.

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  34. Deborah said on February 21, 2018 at 4:59 pm

    When LB was a newborn my then mother-in-law came to “help out” for a couple of weeks. Basically she sat on her butt watching the Christian broadcasting station all day. I hated listening to that crap, especially Pat Robertson.

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  35. ROGirl said on February 21, 2018 at 5:00 pm

    Driving to work early this morning in the pouring rain (still dark), I hit an enormous pothole on I-75. Came out of it, continued on my way, the right front tire was flat. I pulled onto the extremely narrow shoulder as cars and trucks whizzed by me only a few feet away. There was already another car on the shoulder in front of me with its emergency lights blinking. I called AAA, they said they might not show up until 10. I told the agent I was afraid to sit there for that long, she told me to call 911, they said a courtesy patrol would come by. Meanwhile, another car pulled up behind me with the emergency lights on. The guy got out, came up to my car and asked if I had a lug wrench so he could change his own tire, which I don’t. He called a friend, who showed up, they left and came back with a lug wrench. It’s been at least 2 hours, I called 911 again, they had us in their system. The guys changed his tire, then they changed mine, put on the donut. While they were doing that the AAA guy called to let me know he was nearby (I didn’t see him), I told him I was OK. I finally got out of there after about 2 1/2 hours.

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  36. Brandon said on February 21, 2018 at 5:03 pm

    @lamary: Like these. https://www.spoonflower.com/fabric/950739-corncob-by-sarah_andrus

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  37. Deborah said on February 21, 2018 at 5:23 pm

    This sounds plausible to me https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/why-the-trump-russia-skeptics-are-wrong

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  38. Colleen said on February 21, 2018 at 5:51 pm

    Those cabinets look a lot like ours. I LOVE the backsplash.

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  39. susan said on February 21, 2018 at 6:32 pm

    Remember when David Brooks taught a course at Yale on humility? Ha ha ha ha! He so funny!

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  40. David C. said on February 21, 2018 at 6:48 pm

    I’ve lived in the red zone all my life. It’s not that I don’t know them, it’s that I know them all too well. If I didn’t socialize with them, I wouldn’t socialize at all and I’d never see most of my family. I have to grin and nod when they spew their propaganda. We have the perfect opportunity to all join hands and start hating the Russians again and now they like the Russians. What’s a body to do?

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  41. beb said on February 21, 2018 at 7:11 pm

    Spent the day driving to and from IKEA. There are, indeed, some terrible places around Detroit where the roads are more ruts and surface. ROGirls account reminded me of the auto insurance company where a young man asks “Is this a lug wrench?” While I’m old enough to know what a lug wrench is, I wouldn’t know where to find it in either of our cars. Car makers keep moving them around.

    Nancy, I also really like the brick backsplash in your new kitchen. While at IKEA we looked all their kitchen displays. We have entertained the idea of moving out of Detroit but the sticking point is a combination of what we can afford (not much) and a desire to have a relatively large kitchen. IKEA had some nice models but I suspect they were all larger than what one would find in older houses.

    “Gaslit”? I think in this case the phrases out to be “gaslighted” I wonder which form other journalists prefer?

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  42. Deborah said on February 21, 2018 at 8:00 pm

    David C, in my former life I lived in a similar situation as you. I thank my lucky stars that I’m away from all of that now and have been for a number of years. I still have bad dreams that I’m back there, I wake up in a cold sweat.

    Tomorrow morning at the crack of dawn I’m heading back to NM, I’m looking forward to seeing mountains again. I wish they were snow capped but that doesn’t seem the case this winter.

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  43. Julie Robinson said on February 21, 2018 at 8:38 pm

    ROGirl, how horrible. Big fat fail from AAA for taking so long. I only used them twice, and I loved that they asked if I felt safe. Who knew they were just gonna tell you to call 911? We dropped them a year ago after they raised the rates and wouldn’t wiggle, even though we were long-time customers. We have some kind of service for our tires from Costco, but I’m not sure what it covers. Anyone have an alternative company?

    beb, our older home has a HUGE kitchen and it’s my favorite room. But you can get IKEA cabinets in any configuration you want, or any cabinets for that matter.

    Deborah, I’m also escaping the rainy and gray midwest tomorrow for a trip to see the kids in Orlando. The last few days have been really hard; I need some sun in the worst way. I have zero plans for this trip. I may get ambitious, or I may just sit in the sun and read. Enjoy your break!

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  44. Charlotte said on February 21, 2018 at 8:45 pm

    Sherri! I’m SO impressed!! I’m a late-to-the-game fan thanks to living with a Red Sox guy (and the wonderful MLB.com on my Roku) but have really come to love baseball. And I had one of my baby CS students telling me, wide-eyed, how “all the women” left CS in the 80s. Montana State has a pretty good system of support for women CS students as far as I can tell. Frankly these kids are keeping me from despair — along with the Florida kids. Register and vote oh ye young people!

    Nancy — your kitchen looks great!

    And people! GO SEE BLACK PANTHER! It’s fabulous and will cheer you all up.

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  45. LAMary said on February 21, 2018 at 11:20 pm

    Those are the curtains, Brandon.

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  46. Sherri said on February 22, 2018 at 12:35 am

    I second Charlotte’s recommendation for Black Panther. I loved it, and I love Michael B. Jordan. Such a compelling actor!

    Jeff(tmmo), you asked whether both sides could agree on waiting periods for guns. Clarence Thomas can’t.


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  47. Connie said on February 22, 2018 at 7:38 am

    Oh man. I just saw a facebook video of Sherri power lifting. Wow.

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  48. Deborah said on February 22, 2018 at 8:22 am

    I saw that video too. Wow!

    My flight is delayed.

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  49. basset said on February 22, 2018 at 8:50 am

    We’ll be looking for a full set of pics when that kitchen is done… maybe 360, maybe a Youtube video. We are entering fixing up to sell mode here, been in the starter house since 1989 and will move to our retirement house this summer or maybe fall.

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  50. Sherri said on February 22, 2018 at 10:58 am

    Thanks, Connie and Deborah. It’s been a good week!


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  51. FDChief said on February 22, 2018 at 11:17 am

    Re: the Brooks piece. A friend posted a link to one of the “wtf do you “need” that AR-15 for?” things that have appeared recently. A pal of hers responded with the typical ammosexual”it’s not the weapon it’s the person” meme. I asked if he’d be fine with me showing up at the next antifa cookout with my open-carry light machinegun.

    And his response was not only to question the NFA automatic weapon proscription but to argue in favor of suppressors (i.e. “silencers”) because hearing!

    What the hell are you gonna do with that? If your starting point is that the real problem is that joe and molly can’t have a silenced automatic

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  52. FDChief said on February 22, 2018 at 11:24 am

    …machinepistol? That’s fucking nuts.

    But that really IS the starting point for a lot of these people. There’s no “respecting” that.

    In a very real sense I’m the poster child for firearms limitation, a touchy, argumentative sonofabitch with a hair-trigger temper. Give me a weapon and get me angry and things get ugly quick. In 16th Century Japan I’d have been one of those irritating samurai bullying peasants and picking fights with other swordsmen in the sake bar. In 18th Century Europe I’d have been dueling all the time.

    Take away my weapon and I’m still an annoying pain in the ass. But armed? I’m a lethal menace.

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  53. beb said on February 22, 2018 at 1:50 pm

    Julie@43: The problem with IKEA’s model kitchens wasn’t the cabinets but that even their most compact design used more floorspace when is available in our 40s kitchen. The only was to fix it would be to remove the between the kitchen and dining room and combine the two rooms. My Dad’s house has a huge kitchen/dining room. It is to die for. But the property values there were out of our league.

    When Michigan legalized medical marijuana there was a boom in opening pot shops in Detroit. I was funs driving along Eight Mile, the northern border of Detroit to read all the names for pot shops. Eight Mile was a popular location, all the better to service the white northern suburbanites. Near us, and well away from Eight Mile Rd. was an intersection with three (3!) pot shops on the corner. The number of dispensaries grew so large that the Detroit city council votes in restrictions, driving a lot of entrepreneurs out of business. I’m thinking that maybe one place to start with Gun Control would be to limit the number of gun shops that can open in the community. Maybe with restrictions to industrial areas, and at least 1000 feet from a bar, school or chruch — like they do with strip clubs.

    Of course the fact is that il douche has suggested the justice department ban bump stock (which has had suggested after Las Vegas as well) but the DOJ says they don’t have the authority to ban them. Congress needs to pass legislation and Congress wont pass legislation. If we can’t even ban bump stocks what hope is there for serious gun control legislation.

    Clearly we need more and better Democrats.

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  54. Deborah said on February 22, 2018 at 1:59 pm

    I’m in NM now and Santa Fe can thank me for the snow they’re getting.

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  55. Dexter said on February 22, 2018 at 3:21 pm

    I sort of grew up in Billy Graham’s hay-day ; it seemed he was on TV way too much and I resented his taking away from cool programs I wanted to see. We had two, then 3 channels, and he hogged way too much time. Before he got really big, though, at least on TV, the nation was captivated by a Catholic Bishop, Fulton J. Sheen. He projected an image of quiet loving authority but sometimes he would get fired up and scare a kid…hell, look at him…he reminded me of a Bela Lugosi Dracula. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3rhPa7h4ro And…if you watch this clip, you can see he had a sense of humor.

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  56. Julie Robinson said on February 22, 2018 at 4:55 pm

    Sunny and 82 in Orlando, and Lordy it feels good.

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  57. ROGirl said on February 22, 2018 at 6:09 pm

    Got my car back after my pothole adventure. 2 new front tires, 2 new control arms, new rim, alignment. Parts, labor, tax $988. Still need a replacement wheel cover.

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  58. Heather said on February 22, 2018 at 6:44 pm

    Ughh that sucks, rogirl. Will insurance cover any of it? In Chicago you can actually request reimbursement from the city for damage caused by potholes. People have gotten a check, but it usually takes months if not over a year.

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  59. Deborah said on February 22, 2018 at 7:27 pm

    Ouch, ROgirl.

    I did not know that Heather, but since we no longer have a car in Chicago, I guess it’s not really applicable to us anymore.

    Not much snow in Santa Fe proper but the mountains look spectacular. Ran around town getting this and that. Tomorrow LB and I will go out to Abiquiu to stay for a couple of days. It’s colder here than in Chicago but it sure doesn’t feel like it. The sun came out and it’s dry, makes a big difference.

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