The weekend, the whirl.

We start the week on a rocket blast of coffee and eggs and barely slow down. Wednesday is Hump Day, halfway to the weekend, then it’s Thursday, the official start of the weekend. (This is true; I saw some market research once that said people start thinking of the weekend at noon on Thursday, and once your mind is there, your body’s only a half step behind. Then it’s the official weekend, and it’s woo, party! Dinner guests! Activities! Errands! Laundry! And all of a sudden it’s Sunday night and you’re thinking, what happened here?

Americans work too hard, this is indisputably true.

it was a busy weekend. Eastern Market, dry cleaner, blah blah, ending at the Cannabis Cup, in town for the weekend. This is an event I was utterly unprepared for, a trade show all about marijuana, newly legalized in Michigan. I went there expecting a …trade show, but it was far more. Line around the block to get in, in withering sun and heat. It probably took half an hour just to get through the lines, and once inside? Quite nuts. Packed to the rafters, hot as hell, stinky as hell, row after row of weed vendors, selling pretty much everything weed-related.

If you live in a non-legal state, the first glimpse of Big Marijuana may be surprising. It has product specialists:

And of course it has characters:

And a certain literally homegrown charm:

But this was a big crowd, in a very Detroit space — the Russell Industrial Center courtyard:

It’s Weedstock. I’m sure someone has called it that before. I mean, the Wu-Tang Clan played.

Then, today, Sunday, was Swim to the Moon, the open-water swim I’ve been worried about for weeks. I had reason to worry; it was no easier than two years ago, when I finished it thinking I was going to die. I stayed on course better this year, maybe shaved a minute or two off my last time. But there’s simply no way to swim that far and make it easy, not at my age. But I finished, and didn’t drown, so we’ll maybe see about next year.

I’m trying to catch up with whatever I missed in the papers this weekend, but for now, I’m working my way through the 1619 Project, the NYT future Pulitzer winner about the effects of slavery in America. It’s much better than I expected, which is why so many Republicans seem to be so butthurt over it. So far, though, it’s very good.

And with that, I’m out. So, so tired.

Posted at 9:08 pm in Popculch, Same ol' same ol' |

50 responses to “The weekend, the whirl.”

  1. basset said on August 18, 2019 at 9:28 pm

    So, how legal IS weed in Michigan – can you buy it in a shop with no further restrictions, the way you can in Nevada? Asking for a friend, y’know.

    Mrs. B and I saw Herman’s Hermits in a little theater last night and greatly enjoyed it. OK, we’re old.

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  2. LAMary said on August 18, 2019 at 9:34 pm

    The younger son has moved up to doing band merch. No more Cannabis Cup stuff. He just came off two back to back tours of very different bands and leaves in six days for another band, then another. He’s making bank.

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  3. basset said on August 18, 2019 at 9:42 pm

    Which bands, LAMary? Might be an outside chance we’ve heard of em, even at our age.

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  4. Bitter Scribe said on August 18, 2019 at 9:57 pm

    The NYT has firmed up its paywall, which means no more articles for me. I won’t pay, mostly because I’m a cheap SOB, but partly because I’m annoyed with them for publishing asshats like Bret Stephens and Ross Douthat.

    Pot is going to be legal in Illinois starting next year. I wonder how widespread the retail outlets will be.

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  5. Joe Kobiela said on August 18, 2019 at 10:14 pm

    Congrats on the swim saw it on your F.B no small feat open water is definitely tough. Saw a article on a group called we run 313, two guys formed a running club in the city and are having great success with over a hundred runners coming out, might be a story there for your online edition, heading out a day early on tour this week, home office for 2 days of ground School then 3 days of classroom and simulator training in Morristown N.J if I see you know who I will tell him you all say hello. Just sat thru a wonderful thunderstorm on the screened in porch it was amazing, Dexter should be getting it about now.
    Good week to you all.
    Pilot Joe

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  6. alex said on August 18, 2019 at 10:32 pm

    My Chicago friends have invited me up for New Year’s Eve, which is when the recreational pot stores open for business at midnight and it’s supposed to be one of those moments in history like V-J Day where you should supposedly want to be.

    I’d love to read 1619 but will have to wait until it appears on a free platform, I’m afraid. I’m oversubscribed to media and not about to pay the NYT for anything, especially if they can’t even write a coherent headline about Trump Teleprompting versus Trump Tweeting.

    Finally got off my ass this weekend and got tires for my vintage Raleigh racing bike that I picked up at an estate sale (the old rubber was dry-rotted and in tatters). I’m starting my new fitness regimen, the one on which I’ve procrastinated since that bike was made. It’s a thing of beauty.

    This weekend at the bike shop where I got my tires, I was shocked to see so many bicycles priced in the $4K-$5K range. You get a tube of K-Y with that? You’d need it with some of the seats on those things.

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  7. LAMary said on August 18, 2019 at 11:07 pm

    One is an older metal band, one is a somewhat recently assembled boy band, one is a somewhat obscure nineties band and one is a solo act singer/piano player guy from UK. I am sort of reluctant to use the band names. Managers of bands are probably googling around to see where they get mentioned and well, just that. I’m sure the hostess recalls the time someone googled the word “Tiptree” and found a comment I made a few years earlier. It wasn’t negative and in fact I was pretty chuffed that that guy remembered the incident I mentioned.

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  8. Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on August 18, 2019 at 11:21 pm

    Not dying is success! Congrats.

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  9. Dexter Friend said on August 19, 2019 at 1:03 am

    I bet the license to sell merch is high. Years ago The Stones played Chicago…1981 maybe. My friends bought a press and some attaching pins and the artist of the bunch knew how to print the Stones lips-logo and a picture of Mick and some with the whole band on the pins. They bought little ribbons to attract buyers; they had like 16 cents in each pin and sold them for just a buck. They had thousands of them, and sold 3/4 of them in the parking lot before they were busted for no merch license,but they only got booted out, not fined, and they got to keep the loot. The four of them each pocketed about $700 as the story went. They had no desire to see the show.

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  10. Dexter Friend said on August 19, 2019 at 1:15 am

    Pilot Joe, yessiree , that storm was fierce. No problems around my ‘hood…we had just dropped off the Impala for a morning brake job and the storm hit just as we got home…we both got drenched just getting the few feet into the house. I changed into some old raggedy clothing to watch TV. LA Mary, I watched The Swamp tonight on msnbc and they focussed on infrastructure, a lot on the I-75 Brent Spence bridge over the Ohio River at Cincinnati and also a segment on LA traffic and the expanding subway and light rail lines, showing the giant boring machines way down under Wilshire Blvd. Katy Tur and Jacob Soboroff do a great job hosting that show which is a joy to watch. I have been driving over that Brent Spence bridge for 50 years, but only like 8, 10 times a year. Commuting on it would be awful…a trucker reported how a couple years ago a gravel truck tipped and the trucker sat still on the roadway for 7 and a half hours…no shoulders, nowhere to go…it can be a damn nightmare.

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  11. Dorothy said on August 19, 2019 at 6:06 am

    I hope I can read 1619 at my office. The university pays for NYTimes membership so employees and students can read it, but you have to be logged in via a University computer. I’ll have to print it out if it’s visible to me because I won’t have time to read while I’m at work. Classes start Wednesday and it’s always crazy busy this week. If I can’t view it I’ll ask my daughter to save it – she bought a copy at the grocery store yesterday just for that section.

    Jeff last night I had dinner with our mutual friend, who was on her way back from dropping off her eldest at Earlham. She had her daughter with her and it was very nice to catch up. Nestle growled almost the whole time they were here, though, since she’s distrustful of strangers.

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  12. alex said on August 19, 2019 at 6:30 am

    Shit, I just wasted a free read on this:

    The farmer’s market in Bloomington has always had that old hippie mojo about it. Enter the new neofascist zeitgeist.

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  13. ROGirl said on August 19, 2019 at 6:52 am

    There might be a way to read the nyt and other sites that involves temporarily disabling javascript.

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  14. Julie Robinson said on August 19, 2019 at 9:34 am

    Alex, I’ve been following the mess in Bloomington via the IDS on Facebook, no NYT clicks required. But somehow my one-year subscription on the cheap to the aforementioned paper hasn’t run out, even though I think it’s been two years or more. I read much more from the WaPo, but keep coming back for the theatre coverage. The 1619 reading will have to wait a bit.

    I think I’d have more respect for big M if they didn’t resort to sexism for advertising.

    Congrats to Nancy on not dying in the open water. The very idea scares the crap out of me, which I suppose is part of the idea.

    We took a little drive over to Toledo this weekend to celebrate our 40th anniversary, having spent all the $$$ on our NYC trip earlier this summer. It’s the perfect distance, less than two hours, and the Toledo Museum of Art has glass-blowing demonstrations, which are still endlessly fascinating to me.

    Because we have become those tiresome people who will only eat healthy, we didn’t see any restaurants around the hotel that fit our standards, but look, right across the parking lot was a brand new Whole Foods. We walked over, loaded up on their fresh salad bar and had a picnic in the hotel room. Last of the big spenders! We also bought some fancy chocolate bars to smuggle into the movie we went to, Blinded by the Light. Loved it and bawled unashamedly.

    And now, because sodium is also on the taboo list, I’m boiling beans from dry, because it’s almost impossible to find canned beans without a high salt content. We’ve inadvertently joined the slow food movement.

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  15. Heather said on August 19, 2019 at 10:27 am

    Seconding the quality of the 1619 Project. I knew that slavery affected a lot of our current systems, but hoo boy, these articles are blowing my mind. I also knew it was cruel and inhumane, but again, far beyond what I had thought or imagined. I’m ashamed of that. I keep thinking that the Handmaid’s Tale isn’t futuristic–it already happened in many ways. It’s not easy reading, especially if you’ve never questioned what you’ve been taught about America, so not surprising that so many people are having meltdowns over it.

    Re: the paywall, maybe try opening a private window? That at least might get you another set of free clicks for the month.

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  16. Deborah said on August 19, 2019 at 10:32 am

    Julie, have you ever been to the glass pavilion at the art museum in Toledo? It’s a cool building designed by a pair of Japanese architects that go by the name SANAA. The building has curved glass walls. I’m in Abiquiu so I can’t send photo links.

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  17. Deborah said on August 19, 2019 at 10:44 am

    I put it off for a long time but the NYT kept having great investigative reporting that I wanted to read so I got a subscription a while ago, I don’t regret it. The 1619 Project in and of itself is worth the cost.

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  18. Julie Robinson said on August 19, 2019 at 11:06 am

    Not sure if it always was, but the glass pavilion is part of the museum, across the street. It has a mid-century modern vibe to it, so we were surprised to see it was built in 2006. It’s where they have the glass blowing set up, with the forge and annealing oven and all. Funny that it’s still called glass blowing, when very little of that happens these days.

    One of the artists had just come back from three weeks at one of the glass artist cooperatives near Tacoma, where as Sherri knows, there’s a huge number of them. In fact, the Tacoma glass museum was one of my very favorite places from that trip and my family had trouble pulling me out of the demonstration area. It just fascinates me how adding layers and then manipulating them can lead to such different results. But on a basic level, I love sparkly things and glass sure is sparkly.

    BTW, museum is free, parking is $8. If there was another place to park around there I didn’t see it, and I don’t begrudge the cost. I’m happy that locals can ride a bus and get in for nothing.

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  19. Jakash said on August 19, 2019 at 12:22 pm

    “those tiresome people who will only eat healthy” I know what you mean, Julie. We won’t “only” eat healthy, but we try to do better than we have been. And it *is* tiresome, both for us and those who have to put up with us. ; )

    “it’s almost impossible to find canned beans without a high salt content”

    It is amazing how much salt is in everything. That being said, I’ve been pleasantly surprised how many products are available these days with a “no salt added” option, including beans. I submit that, while cooking from fresh certainly is noticeably better when it comes to many things, beans are not one of them, especially given the hassle of prepping dried beans. (My wife may disagree!) Our local lame supermarket, (Jewel, for those scoring at home) has started carrying these, which seem very good to me.

    I was also surprised to find no salt added deli turkey breast, from Boar’s Head, which is very good, too.

    Enough with the random plugs, I know. (Plus I’ve used up my two links for this comment.)

    Eating out is a whole different matter. I don’t care if your restaurant is attempting to be “healthy,” or not, I just wish one could find nutrition information available so you can make informed choices. It’s one instance where eating at an outpost of a big chain is preferred to the mom and pop. First off, they’re likelier to have *some kind* of healthier option, but also they’ve got the budget to put out nutrition info. (Or are they required to, once they hit a certain size? I don’t really know.)

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  20. Scout said on August 19, 2019 at 12:58 pm

    Arizona still has only medical mj, and I have a card. One thing I have noticed when traveling to states that are legal for recreational is that the prices and taxes are much higher than what I pay here. But I’m still ready for weed to be legal in all 50 states because it is so beneficial for many health issues as well as being a non addictive, less dangerous alternative to alcohol. I enjoy an occasional craft beer or glass of wine, but some nights my post work happy hour is a nice calorie free blunt before dinner, followed by a 5 mg edible before bed. I’ve never slept so well in my life and my arthritis is managed so much better and more safely than if I was poisoning my body with Humira. I’m not the only ‘old’ who has realized this, every time I go to the dispensary there are lots of us.

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  21. Mark P said on August 19, 2019 at 1:20 pm

    I won’t be reading the NYT project on slavery. I have said before that I think slavery has been maybe the major defining feature of American culture, to this day. We are still feeling the effects, and probably will until we come to terms with it as a culture through a truth and reconciliation process that results in some kind of reparations. Unfortunately, I think that means never. Or at least not until whites are a small minority.

    I took American history, and I took civics. Here’s the big question I have from that: why did I not learn anything (anything!) about slavery except that slaves counted as 3/5 of a person? Why did I not learn the causes of the slave owners’ rebellion? Why did I not learn about Jim Crow? Why did I not learn about the civil rights movement? Why did I not learn about how the president of the United States had to call out the National Guard to protect little black children trying to attend a public school? Why did I not learn one of the fundamental factors that made the US what it is today?

    Not to mention the treatment of the Indians.

    Have you all watched Henry Louis Gates’ Finding Your Roots? I find it not only entertaining but enlightening. It’s no great surprise to learn how many people who identify and are identified as “black” or African American have significant European DNA. There is a smaller proportion of “white” people who have some Subsaharan African DNA as well. I am as white as you can get, but I apparently have a fifth-great-grandparent who was of African descent, based on the percentage of Subsaharan African DNA I have. That means that I almost certainly have among my ancestors a rapist and a rape victim, just like virtually every African American in this country. That’s not to say that some white-black relationships were not rape, but given the relative power of slave owner vs slave, it’s hard to rationalize that.

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  22. Bitter Scribe said on August 19, 2019 at 1:41 pm

    Apparently some conservatives are very upset because the NYT’s coverage of slavery mentions race.

    Seriously. (Which is not how you should take those people.)

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  23. beb said on August 19, 2019 at 1:42 pm

    While I haven’t read the NYT series I did read an article a few years ago that explained how slave owners greatly increased cotton production by keeping detailed records of each slave’s production and slowly increasing the mandated amount to avoid whippings. It reminded me of the Efficiency Experts who kept trying to push the assembly line faster and faster. Made me realize that the only difference between capitalism and slavery is that slaves know they aren’t free.

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  24. Sherri said on August 19, 2019 at 2:51 pm

    There’s lots to read even if you can’t read the 1619 project.

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  25. alex said on August 19, 2019 at 3:15 pm

    Regarding the discussion of beans, upthread…

    If you have an electric pressure cooker you can reconstitute a bag of dried beans in half an hour and use no salt if that’s your thing.

    I love my Instant Pot. This weekend made a stroganoff on the stovetop following an America’s Test Kitchen recipe, and while it was very good, the meat’s more tender and the cooking time’s faster when I do stroganoff in the Instant Pot. I’ll just steal their little trick of using brandy in my braising liquid next time.

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  26. Dorothy said on August 19, 2019 at 3:40 pm

    I printed out all of the articles at the 1619 page and it came to 49 pages front and back. I’ll bring it on our trip to read on the plane/airports when I want to take a break from knitting.

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  27. Julie Robinson said on August 19, 2019 at 5:02 pm

    Stroganoff, as in beef? Once a month. We have an Instant Pot but I thought it was like the old timey pressure cooker I inherited from my grandma, and beans would clog the pressure valve.

    The store we were at had Kumer’s and I bought some black beans and garbanzos, but there weren’t any white beans like cannellini or great northern. So I struggled through with the dry ones. I had forgotten they’re a pain, and also how many a one pound bag makes. Anyway, the soup is made now and the excess beans in the freezer, so fingers crossed.

    Besides beans and lunch meat, the dietitian told us the #1 source of sodium in the American diet is bread. What a shocker. We’ve been so careful, never cooking with salt and for the last 18 months banning it from the table too. Well, except for sweet corn, I’m not giving up butter and salt on sweet corn. Will nothing be easy to shop for anymore? I found a couple in the frozen department, so we’ll give those a try. And don’t get me started on the size and opacity of food labels. Two and half servings per container, let’s see, per ounce that makes it…

    Just sign me married to the guy who wants to live forever. (oh, and it’s all good for me too)

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  28. Deborah said on August 19, 2019 at 5:12 pm

    On Weds evening in Santa Fe at the Cocteau theatre, founded by George RR Martin, LB and I are going to hear Molly Jong Fast and her Mother Erica Jong. That is if LB can score the tickets, I’m in Abiquiu and can’t get it to work online.

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  29. Dr. No said on August 19, 2019 at 5:36 pm

    The entire 1619 series is available as a PDF on the Pulitzer Center site here:
    Along with ample teaching resources. The next generation have a shot at being better educated re:the horrible complexity of slavery than I ever was.

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  30. Jakash said on August 19, 2019 at 5:41 pm

    Yeah, Julie, I was surprised about bread, too. We’ve been trying this, which supposedly has no sodium at all, but I’m not too wild about it and it costs a fortune.

    I love salty foods and they’ve always been my guilty pleasure, much more than sweet ones. But, thinking about it, it’s not hard to understand that there’s just way too much salt in things, unnecessarily. So, I’m still at the phase of being kinda curious to see what’s out there and realizing that I can cut way back and still find things I like eating. Plain fruits and vegetables are easy, at any rate!

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  31. Dexter Friend said on August 19, 2019 at 6:00 pm

    NYC Police ‍♀️ Chief Jimmy O’Neill is now a hated man …by his own men. He just fired Eric Garner’s killer, Daniel Pantaleo . All Pantaleo gets is his vested contributions to his pension. This is surprising to see the top cop bust through the Thin Blue Line. Cleared in the courtrooms, cleared of civil rights charges…now fired. Good call, Jimmy.

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  32. Dexter Friend said on August 19, 2019 at 6:04 pm

    Just when you thought it just could not get any sicker, it does. Yes, I do unabashedly pop in for The Post’s tawdry sensationalist stories. This one I have no reason to doubt. R U Ready?

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  33. David C. said on August 19, 2019 at 6:38 pm

    One thing I learned about slavery from Sarah Taber’s podcast and Twitter (recommended by Sherri and well worth looking up) is that slaves were captured for very specific purposes. They were captured from West Africa because that was a rice growing area and whitey in South Carolina wanted to grow rice, but didn’t know how. The slaves were essentially hydrology engineers and built the rice industry in the US.

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  34. alex said on August 19, 2019 at 6:39 pm

    Julie I’ve had no problem at all with the valve getting clogged on my Instant Pot, and I make split pea soup with it all the time. As for stroganoff, I use eye of round, which is the leanest cut and thus also benefits from the tenderizing it gets from pressure cooking. My heart healthy cookbook recommends eye of round if you love beef and don’t want to give it up.

    But we could definitely reduce our sodium consumption. We’ve already eschewed bread because we’re supposed to be cutting carbs, so it’s good to know we’re cutting salt too.

    Enjoying reading about the right’s freakout over 1619. So wasn’t Newt Gingrich some kind of history prof before he changed careers and became a bullshit salesman? Oh, wait. It was a straight career trajectory all along.

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  35. David C. said on August 19, 2019 at 6:49 pm

    So are the product specialists Pharma reps gone legit?

    I understand Newt’s Doctoral thesis was a screed defending the Belgians looting The Congo. No original research at all.

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  36. Julie Robinson said on August 19, 2019 at 6:54 pm

    That’s one of the breads I bought, Jackash. They had four or five varieties, so I’m hoping we like one of them. The other was Dave’s Killer, but in thin slices. That’s the brand we were eating before all this, and the regular slices are huge, so until we use it up we’ll just cut a slice in half to make a sandwich. I also found some Brownberry sandwich thins and I like those but they didn’t have enough bulk for my hubby’s lunchtime sammy. All 100% whole grain, of course. Made that switch years ago.

    As far as cost, I have slowly been brought around to the notion that being healthy costs less in the long run than being sick. Certainly my late sister bankrupted herself with all her health woes.

    I generally crave sweet more than salt, and the chocolate salted caramels at Costco hits the trifecta for me. However, the dietitians think salt is of the devil, so we’re trying. I will not be buying those caramels in the near future.

    For those without NYT access, this story hits the highlights of the 1619 series.

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  37. nancy said on August 19, 2019 at 7:40 pm

    That’s kind of amazing, David. A few years ago I read “King Leopold’s Ghost,” Adam Hochschild’s look at the Belgians’ looting of the Congo. It was…chilling. I gave it to my brother and he had the same reaction — neither of us had any idea of the scale of the brutality.

    Millions died under Belgian rule, many left maimed, all to please an idiot sovereign with a penchant for birdbrained mistresses. Hochschild calls it the world’s first human-rights campaign, all started by a Belgian customs agent in Antwerp who wondered why all the ships coming in from Africa were loaded with ivory, rubber and trade goods, and all returned carrying nothing but guns.

    Highly recommended.

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  38. David C. said on August 19, 2019 at 7:48 pm

    Beer, chocolate, and genocide. Two out of three isn’t good.

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  39. TGF said on August 19, 2019 at 9:09 pm

    @29/ Dr. No — 2 thumbs up!! Thanks for the link — even better than getting NYT access from library.

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  40. alex said on August 20, 2019 at 6:52 am

    Forgetting where it was… maybe NN.C? Maybe Facebook?

    Just recently someone commented that Creedence Clearwater’s “Who’ll Stop the Rain” was written to commemorate Woodstock. Then someone else pointed out that the line “Went down to Virginia seeking shelter from the storm” would seem to disprove that.

    Then today I happened upon this:

    So somebody was maybe misremembering but at least knew it was an event from the Summer of Love roughly coinciding with Woodstock.

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  41. Sherri said on August 20, 2019 at 10:30 am

    If you want to subscribe to the NYTimes, there’s a special on:

    Yes, I know their political coverage is problematic, but their recipes are good! Their science coverage is also good, and they do data visualizations better than anyone else.

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  42. Jenine said on August 20, 2019 at 11:33 am

    @Dr. No: Thanks for that link!

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  43. Sherri said on August 20, 2019 at 11:37 am

    Like I said, there are so many state legislators, there are bound to be some loony nut cases. But we have a genuine scary example here in the WA legislature:

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  44. Sherri said on August 20, 2019 at 12:31 pm

    Just imagine how all the conservatives upset by 1619 are going to react when they find out about Native Americans!

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  45. ROGirl said on August 20, 2019 at 1:33 pm

    Do you think fox news viewers’ heads are exploding now that Trump has started criticizing it?

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  46. Jakash said on August 20, 2019 at 4:10 pm

    Another brilliant Daily News headline, regarding the “buying Greenland” idea (from Saturday):

    “Fjord to Trump: Drop Dead”

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  47. Dexter Friend said on August 20, 2019 at 4:47 pm

    Jakash, even though a person has to be about 70 to appreciate that, I love it. Ford era historians with a sense of humor certainly are retweeting and re-posting it en masse. Thank you.

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  48. Sherri said on August 20, 2019 at 4:48 pm

    When both the NAACP and the police union are calling for you to resign, it’s pretty clear you’re a wacko. Shea doesn’t get along with the sheriff, either, who’s pretty right wing.

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  49. Julie Robinson said on August 20, 2019 at 4:48 pm

    Sherri, that’s a good deal. With my subscription I would have to add on both Cooking and the Crossword with extra charges for each.

    Apropos of 1619, the ACPL downtown library has an exhibit by our local African-American quilt guild, Sisters of the Cloth. There are many amazing quilts, some very traditional, some traditional patterns in more vibrant colors, a couple paying homage to Barack Obama, and a few memory quilts. Best of all are several with block patterns that were used on the underground railroad, heartbreaking and uplifting at the same time.

    Also uplifting for the long-suffering residents of NW Fort Wayne, Dupont Road is open after two years of construction. Thank you Jesus.

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  50. Dexter Friend said on August 20, 2019 at 4:55 pm

    Could Michigan Native Americans turn the election around and vote Trump out? Trump only won MI by 11G votes. Warren apologized again today for her gaffe, and is scoring big points with the tribes, who, by the way, call themselves “Indians”, which seems to not be favored by others. Ali Velshi did a segment / interview with the Indian lawyer/spokesman but I can’t isolate it on today’s recap, msnbc.

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