Exit, sooner. Please.

I’ve been reading, off and on all weekend, about how President Trump intends to spend his post-presidency. Bottom line: He’s still going to be out there whoring for attention, and the attention-whore-chasing media will no doubt point cameras and microphones at him.

Whereas this is what I was thinking: I don’t want to see his hamsteak face or his asshole-shaped mouth, ever again. I don’t want to see his ridiculous hair, nor his sex-worker wife, nor his weird kid, nor his pathetic kid, nor the three O.G. kids – the stupid one, the other stupid one, and Government Barbie. I don’t want to hear his braying voice. I don’t want to hear any of his vocal tics, including “many people are saying” or “it was fantastic” or “no one had ever seen this before” or “they said, ‘Sir, we’re so sorry this happened to you,'” or really anything out of his asshole-shaped mouth again. I don’t want to see his veneers in that ghastly rictus smile. I don’t want to see his bubble butt, his man-boobs, his entourage of hideous men and sex-cyborg women. I don’t want to even see another pair of stiletto heels, maybe ever. Don’t want to see corkscrew-curl hair on women, cheek implants, breast implants, nose jobs or inflated lips, either. I don’t want to see Jared. Later, Ben Carson. Later, Steve Mnuchin, and take blondie with you. Bye, Wilbur Cox, Andrew Giuliani, Betsy DeVos and everyone else in the West Wing, including the mice and the flies.

If I’ve forgotten anyone, consider yourself wished into the cornfield.

As the kids say: I don’t want any of your names in my mouth.

But tomorrow, I am increasingly inclined to believe, the state Board of Canvassers will likely deadlock on certifying the election. The turmoil will go on.

How was your weekend? Mine was OK. Got some more stuff done in the basement. Got the laundry done. Got a few errands run. Watched a mediocre movie (“The Nest”). Threw more crap away. Cleaned the kitchen. Made mushroom risotto. During the stirring, I considered all the things I mentioned in the second paragraph. Watched “America’s Next Top Model” reruns on Netflix for as long as it was tolerable (1.5 episodes), which at least made me think about something other than The Man With the Asshole-Shaped Mouth.

Posted at 8:48 pm in Current events |

106 responses to “Exit, sooner. Please.”

  1. beb said on November 22, 2020 at 8:58 pm

    Like an abusive ex- he’s never going away.

    I’m with you that I never ever want to see or hear that baying jackass ever again.

    One of the hinges on my laptop has decided to seize up. I can’t close my laptop for fear that trying to open it again will break the screen. Such a bummer.

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  2. Sherri said on November 22, 2020 at 9:20 pm

    I am soooo tired.

    One thing that has brought a smile to my face lately was watching Ted Lasso. It’s on Apple TV+, but it’s only 10 half hour episodes, so you could binge it during the free trial period. Sounds sort of like it would be a cringe comedy, but has way too much heart to be a cringe comedy. Rich divorcee hires American football coach to coach soccer team she got in divorce to get back at philandering ex-husband.

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  3. Deborah said on November 22, 2020 at 9:52 pm

    Hilarious “ hamsteak face or his asshole-shaped mouth”. Made me laugh out loud and when I told my husband what I was laughing about, he couldn’t stop laughing either.

    We made it to the Salina, KS Hampton Inn, 700 miles today. Almost 600 miles tomorrow but we gain an hour as we drive into mountain time. We listened to the Terry Gross interview with Obama about his new book, while on the road, that was pleasant. Also some other Fresh Air episodes about recent lunatic President stuff.

    My eyes/head finally stopped hurting from my IV side effects, so that was nice.

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  4. basset said on November 22, 2020 at 10:45 pm

    Deborah, if you’re staying on 70 wave to the Ramada Inn in Colby, Kansas as you roll past. Been close to forty years since I stayed there, and I still remember opening my door in the morning to see tumbleweeds piled on the outside staircase and thinking “yes, I really am in the west.”

    Finally watched “They Shall Not Grow Old” tonight and thought it was brilliant. Those teeth, though… I can say this, I’m half Brit and have (repaired) bad teeth myself but some of those guys were just awful, looked like they would have to have been in constant pain.

    Deer season is fully on now and going well, like several other states we have a program which gives donated venison to food banks. And it’s all ground up into deer burger, from what I understand the end users prefer it that way.

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  5. LAMary said on November 22, 2020 at 11:12 pm

    Between last Wednesday and today I watched all of Queen’s Gambit and all of The Crown. I liked QC while watching, like it less after giving it some thought. Liked The Crown as much as ever but decided Prince Charles really is a dick. I thought that already but it’s a solidly held belief now. I don’t want to see that orange face with the pink circled piggy eyes anymore and hear his speaking style: whiny and loud. Stupid when ad libbing.
    I hope the SDNY doesn’t let us down. I want a long, hideous trial followed by a long, hideous sentence.

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  6. Mark P said on November 22, 2020 at 11:17 pm

    Colby — I spent the night there a couple of years ago on my way to Denver. I-70 was closed by a winter storm that looked like a hurricane on the weather radar. The wind turned a tractor-trailer on its side and literally peeled the center line off the road. I drove around town the next day, waiting for the highway to open again. The town is in the middle of nowhere, and some of the nowhere has rubbed off on it.

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  7. Sherri said on November 22, 2020 at 11:38 pm

    Carl Bernstein finally names names on those GOP Senators who privately express disdain for 45 but publicly won’t do anything.


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  8. Dexter Friend said on November 23, 2020 at 3:26 am

    Uncle Wilbur? You got beef with Uncle Wilbur? 🙂 Good assessment and I do not wanna see those Romanov wannabees in the press except maybe in a story like this: “The Russian Imperial Romanov family were shot and bayoneted to death by Communist revolutionaries under Yakov Yurovsky in Yekaterinburg on the night of 16–17 July 1918. Also killed that night were retainers who had accompanied them: notably Eugene Botkin, Anna Demidova, Alexei Trupp and Ivan Kharitonov.” *Wikipedia* Alexei Trupp ? Sounds like a Trump typo.
    Mary of LA: I loved QG, the sets, the story, the ending. What made you re-visit your approval? I also have always, since I was a little boy, liked to keep up with Prince Charles since we are are roughly the same age, he a year or so my senior.
    “Too Young the Hero”, a 32 year old film about a 12 year old war hero at Guadalcanal named Calvin, caught my eye and I watched. The much-maligned Ricky Schroeder played the sailor Calvin, but at age 17 during filming he did not pass for a 12 year old boy. True story it was.
    We got a few inches of hard-packing snow Saturday night/Sunday morning. Winter nears.
    Lori called, finally. She is home and in constant pain. She has had it with being an independent contractor nurse practitioner, and eventually is going look for work with medical care and other benefits. Her private insurance policies so far have left her in a financial hole.

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  9. David C said on November 23, 2020 at 6:16 am

    All the campaign signs are down in our neighborhood except one house. They’re putting up more tRump signs and flags. I’m relieved they’re a couple of blocks away because you know tRump humpers like that probably have an arsenal and would have no problem letting the air out of a west coast (of Lake Winnebago) liberal like me.

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  10. alex said on November 23, 2020 at 6:16 am

    Yay Carl Bernstein! Yay for outing Indiana’s Senators Braun and Young, two of Trump’s biggest coattail-riding sycophants. Gentlemen, here’s hoping your constituents find out what you really think of them too.

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  11. basset said on November 23, 2020 at 6:39 am

    And, MarkP, they drink beer mixed with tomato juice out there too.

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  12. David C said on November 23, 2020 at 8:18 am

    Breaking news.


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  13. Carl Corrigan said on November 23, 2020 at 8:30 am

    Nancy resets the zeitgeist. Brightening a Monday morning.

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  14. Mark P said on November 23, 2020 at 8:34 am

    basset — tomato juice and beer? No wonder the place is dying. I’m going to avert my eyes next time I pass by there. And keep my mouth firmly closed.

    When I see places like Colby, I try to imagine living there. I’m sure it’s a lovely place with lovely people, but when I tried to imagine living there, all I got was a big blank.

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  15. LAMary said on November 23, 2020 at 9:06 am

    Red Beer? Nothing wrong with red beer. As a bartender I poured quite a few red beers in Denver.

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  16. Suzanne said on November 23, 2020 at 9:10 am

    Tomato juice and beer? Ick.

    If I never see Trump’s ugly mouth, pancake make-uped face, and listen to his disgusting voice again, I will be happy.

    COVID hit home this weekend. A cousin’s wife passed away from COVID. 64 years old, a wife, mother, grandmother, and one grandchild on the way that she will never get to hold. She was only sick a couple of weeks.

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  17. Bitter Scribe said on November 23, 2020 at 9:26 am

    I’m following the advice of Elvis Costello and trying to be amused, not disgusted.

    And you have to admit there’s plenty of entertainment value here, especially when Giuliani gets involved. Booking a press conference at Four Seasons Landscaping instead of the Four Seasons Hotel? Getting so excited that hair dye runs down both sides of his head?

    You literally cannot make this stuff up. I’m sure that several times in the last few days, Armando Iannucci, the genius behind “Veep,” has been slapping his forehead and going, “Why didn’t I think of that!”

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  18. Randy said on November 23, 2020 at 9:42 am

    Here in Manitoba, we are grappling with a major surge in cases. 45 minutes south of Winnipeg, there is a community with a 40% test-positive rate. There was an anti-mask rally there last weekend. Related? No way, just ask the rally attendees! Oh wait, they aren’t feeling well…

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  19. heydave said on November 23, 2020 at 10:31 am

    I’ll have to reread this slowly.
    I know you had something to say, but I haven’t had enough caffeine yet to pierce the subtlety.
    Gimme a sec…

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  20. Sherri said on November 23, 2020 at 10:52 am

    A word that obviously needs to be resurrected.



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  21. alex said on November 23, 2020 at 11:19 am

    Still snickering over “Miss Havisham.”

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  22. Deborah said on November 23, 2020 at 11:32 am

    Tomato juice in beer was a thing in the small town in Nebraska where I went to college. The local bars served it mostly to farmers. I tasted it, it’s not bad. The farmers also drank beer that they salted. That tasted terrible.

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  23. Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on November 23, 2020 at 12:05 pm

    Mike Thompson at central Ohio’s NPR station news team, on WOSU, has you covered, Sherri:


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  24. Jeff Borden said on November 23, 2020 at 12:12 pm

    An attention junkie like tRumpy isn’t going anywhere, which is bad because we’ll still see his orange puss and hear his Queens bray as he plots his return, but is good because it thoroughly fucks over all the mewling sycophants who’ve smooched his diapered ass for a shot at the nomination in 2024. Tough news for Little Marco Rubio, bobble-necked slapdick Tom Cotton, greasy Ted Cruz, et.al. Great new for us.

    Let’s hope the tRumpanzees stick to their guns in Georgia and refuse to participate in the Jan. 5 runoff because they’re angry at their Republican SOS for certifying Biden’s win.

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  25. LAMary said on November 23, 2020 at 12:33 pm

    Red beer was definitely an old school local thing in Golden, CO. The tourists drank their Coors plain. Being in the town where it was brewed required that you ordered a Coors at the bar. Didn’t bother me. It was easier than the damn blender drinks groups of women would order and the Coors drinkers tipped me. The women did not. And why do women choose to clean out their purses at the table leaving used tissues, fuzzy packs of gum and random receipts on the table? This was in the seventies, btw. I think things may have changed since then. If I’m dissing my gender, sorry, but I’ve spoken to other women who tended bar and they have similar stories. Only thing more annoying at a bar in Colorado was a tobacco chewer. They used empty beer bottles as “sluice jars.” Revolting.

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  26. ROGirl said on November 23, 2020 at 12:38 pm

    Everything about the way he looks and sounds is repulsive and the fact that the world is subjected to his vomitous eruptions is cruel and unusual punishment.

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  27. Dorothy said on November 23, 2020 at 12:51 pm

    Well here’s a story out of Athens, OH that many of you might find interesting. And a nice break from the dumbassery at the White House:


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  28. susan said on November 23, 2020 at 1:01 pm

    I’ve always thought Trump smells foul, a rank, rotten sour odor. And that he tries to cover up that total body stench with cheap cologne or Axe for Teenage Boys. And that mix of fetid miasma carries into all the halls and corridors and office nooks in the White House. And the “Living Quarters…” My god. The Living Quarters. Are there enough windows in that place that can open up and let in fresh air? Is the ventilating system equipped with industrial HEPA filters? Biden’s hazmat crew will need to install ozone generators everywhere Trump’s mob of malodorous bootlickers have moved and touched.

    What an awful job to do. Speaking of Essential Workers.

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  29. alex said on November 23, 2020 at 1:14 pm

    I’ll never get tired of seeing Trump’s face here:


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  30. Julie Robinson said on November 23, 2020 at 2:05 pm

    Nance has summed up the temperature of the room. I don’t care about any of these people and never want to hear about any of them again, unless it concerns prison time and/or bankruptcy.

    I’m sorry, Suzanne, 64 is too young. Wait a minute, I’m 64. Make that WAY too young. And her family is just one of 250,000 facing a new and grim future. Anyone else notice our Prez was at the golf course instead of discussing the pandemic at the G20?

    Red beer sounds disgusting. I dislike both beer and tomato juice, and the very idea of the combo roils my tummy. Back when I drank it was either wine or screwdrivers, unsophisticated I suppose.

    We picked up our turkey this morning and then hit the dreaded Kroger on Dupont. It’s never good there but we hoped it was far enough away from the holiday it wouldn’t be so bad. Hah! I hate that store with a passion, but it’s literally across the street, what do you do.

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  31. Heather said on November 23, 2020 at 2:15 pm

    Red beer sounds like a bastardization of a michelada, a delightful Mexican concoction that is refreshing on a hot day. It’s basically cheap beer, tomato juice or Clamato, a bit of hot sauce and Worcestershire sauce, and lime juice, with ice and a salt rim. So good.

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  32. LAMary said on November 23, 2020 at 2:20 pm

    We’re doing curbside pickup of a grocery order tomorrow morning. I ordered two boneless turkey breasts and doing a roulade recipe from the NYT. It involves caramelized onions, sage, garlic and prosciutto. My thinking on taking this route instead of a whole turkey is based on the uncertainty of how many people will be here for Thanksgiving. The ex is a chronic last minute invitation person and I learned years ago to be flexible about my scheduling to accomodate his assholery. I’m cool with doing Thanksgiving on Friday if necessary. This year he was going to do Thursday but today changed the plan to just not including his sons. Fine with them. Fine with me. What he does not know is that one son was exposed to someone who was not feeling well, not masked and later tested positive. So it looks like I will be giving one of those turkey breasts, one set of pie ingredients, some potatoes and brussels sprouts and assorted other stuff to the son who lives with his girlfriend and making a smaller dinner here. The exposed son tested negative yesterday and is getting tested again on Wednesday. If he tests positive, I get tested. If not, Happy Thanksgiving. It’s just a little stressful. Luckily that son can use another door to come and go, another bathroom, etc. so we can stay clear of each other. I’m so fucking sick of all this shit but we keep calm and carry on.

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  33. susan said on November 23, 2020 at 2:31 pm

    LAMary, it’s easy for me to say, but JUST DON’T DO IT! Just don’t. Why put yourself through all that anxiety and risk? Wait for next year. It’s just another ƒü¢k!ng holiday that means nothing. Same with xmas, New Year, Kwanzaa, Chanukah, Festivus. Just call it off. Geezo. There are virtual alternatives these days. Use those.

    Watch what Rachel Madow just went through. This shit is serious.

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  34. Julie Robinson said on November 23, 2020 at 2:49 pm

    We’re keeping it super simple; it’s just the two of us and my mom, who I see every day anyway, so we’re already a pod. I would have been a fine with a breast, but the other two like dark meat. Mashed potatoes, a small amount of dressing, banana bread, and a Costco pumpkin pie. Hubby was going to buy whipping cream but I staged an intervention and we got a can of the squirty stuff instead.

    Robinson family gatherings always included real whipped cream. You’d go to grab ice cubes and see the mixing bowl and beaters in the freezer. It’s kind of a pain to make, and it really doesn’t last more than the one meal. Squirty can is much better for just us.

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  35. bstouder said on November 23, 2020 at 3:05 pm

    I already like President-elect Biden’s pick for SecState: A. Blinken!! With a name like that, he HAS to be good!

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  36. Sherri said on November 23, 2020 at 3:26 pm

    Just my husband, my daughter, and me, ordered Thanksgiving dinner from a local restaurant for takeout.

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  37. basset said on November 23, 2020 at 3:26 pm

    At the time in Colby, and I think most of Kansas, you couldn’t just walk into a bar and get a beer, you had to maintain the illusion that it was a “private club” and go through the joining process, sign something, pay a dollar, whatever it was. That, or be the guest of a member.
    I was working a murder trial and had gotten to know the sheriff slightly… he took me and a camera guy to a pool table cowboy bar, where conversation pretty much stopped when we all walked in. The sheriff pointed to us, told the bartender “These men are my guests,” and left. Nobody gave us any trouble; I remember that they kept a certain distance, though.
    Dinner Thursday… just myself, Mrs. B, and B Jr. with a little ham, a little veggie ham, and, in there with the sides, a NY Times recipe sweet potato, carrot, dried apricot, and prune casserole. Gotta try something new.

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  38. LAMary said on November 23, 2020 at 4:28 pm

    Susan, I’m not doing any Thanksgiving stuff for anyone outside the household at this point unless all involved test negative. Then it’s probably no sooner than Friday but more likely Saturday or Sunday. My son who was exposed lives in my house and will be pretty solidly quarantined in the house. No contact with me, doing his own laundry, washing his own dishes, all that. It’s not a big house but it’s an old house with awkward additions which works well for me in this situation. He lives here already. I’ve been around him before he knew he had been exposed, so while we are taking serious precautions now there was a stretch of time when we were not aware of the situation. Now, this son spends most of his time in his own room facetiming a girlfriend in China and playing video games so our interactions are seldom and brief already and looking back on the last few days they were mostly outdoors. So don’t worry. I appreciate your concern but there’s no big feast being planned with lots of guests and frankly I haven’t done Thanksgiving on the third Thursday of November in at least ten years. It happens when it works for us. If he caught something and has already passed it along to me, we go to plan B. Whatever that is. If his second test is negative and my test is negative we’re probably ok.

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  39. Scout said on November 23, 2020 at 4:55 pm

    Breaking, WaPo: “Michigan board votes to certify the state’s election results, dealing Trump another blow”

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  40. LAMary said on November 23, 2020 at 5:16 pm

    Secret Service agents have been asked if they are interested in relocating to Palm Beach.

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  41. David C said on November 23, 2020 at 5:29 pm

    They’re probably going to have to draw lots to see who has to go. My understanding is that the Secret Service agents hate his guts. The household staff is reported to be over the moon to see them gone too.

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  42. LAMary said on November 23, 2020 at 5:51 pm

    130 Secret Service employees tested positive. Do you blame them for hating him? And I’m sure that’s not the only reason. I bet he and his spawn are absolute pains in the ass.

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  43. Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on November 23, 2020 at 5:59 pm

    If you’ve got a big turkey in the freezer for Thursday, it’s definitely time to move it to the fridge to start the thaw. If you’re cooking a big one for a bunch of out of town guests, it’s definitely time to rethink your plans. (I’m just doing an 8 lb. turkey breast for the three of us, so I can leave it in the freezer til tomorrow.)

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  44. David C said on November 23, 2020 at 6:13 pm

    Emily has signed off on the transition. About damned time.


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  45. Jakash said on November 23, 2020 at 6:46 pm

    Biden keeps winning these disputed states over and over and over again. The current occupant told everybody that we’d get tired of winning, but I haven’t found that to be the case.

    I’m certainly tired of him continuing to whine and refuse to accept the results, though.

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  46. LAMary said on November 23, 2020 at 6:59 pm

    Yay. Signed that certify thing. Ok, Dorothy. You offered to pick up all these cardboard boxes and bring them to DC so the trumps can start packing up. I’ve got some bubble wrap and three or four weeks of the Sunday paper I can kick in for wrapping stuff. Let me know when you’re nearby and I’ll set it all outside for you.

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  47. Deborah said on November 23, 2020 at 8:08 pm

    Notice that GSA Murphy signed off on the transition the day before she was scheduled to testify before Congress and have to answer embarrassing and damaging questions. I was really looking forward to that, especially Katie Porter grilling her as was every other Democrat.

    We’re back in Santa Fe. Lots to do, but happy to be out of the car. This time the rental was a Jeep Grand Cherokee, quite fancy.

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  48. Sherri said on November 23, 2020 at 8:24 pm

    DiFi has announced she won’t be taking a leadership position on Judiciary (thank God!) or any other committee. I think she’d make a fine ambassador to some nice sinecure somewhere, so a real Dem could represent California.

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  49. Dexter Friend said on November 23, 2020 at 8:40 pm

    I soured on Dianne F. after the L.Graham praise and hug after the Coney conformation. Politico says
    “Feinstein added that she planned to focus her attention on combating climate change and the coronavirus pandemic.”

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  50. LAMary said on November 23, 2020 at 8:41 pm

    Yeah, DiFi needs to hang it up.

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  51. beb said on November 23, 2020 at 9:13 pm

    I wonder if the GSA lady signed the ascertainment before or after the Michigan Board of Canvassers voted to certify the Michigan election results. If she signed before then she caved, if signed after she was giving in to the obvious results. Without Michigan Trump didn’t have enough electoral votes.

    Bernstein has done us all an enormous favor by outing the names of Republicans who hate Trump but continue to support him. Now to target everyone of them as unfit for their office.

    Speaking of Thanksgiving turkey, I can see getting a small one if you are planning a small gathering. I’m just amazed the number of people who feel that a turkey breast is the best part of the bird. The breast is always so dry and flavorless. I’d rather get a couple turkey legs instead.

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  52. Dexter Friend said on November 23, 2020 at 9:20 pm

    We called it tomato beer and it had it’s usefulness, as a hangover helper. I liked bloody Marys on Sunday mornings, not too fancy, but I needed that celery stalk. Cheap Smirnoff was OK for bloody Marys but Popov, another cheapo, was usually what I used. I drank brown liquor, bourbons, habitually however. Today, Pappy Van Winkle at $1100 per bottle is all the rage; my brand was Wild Turkey 101 for special events and Bond & Lillard as a daily drink. My cheapo scotch was Lauder’s, special occasions, middle-priced Grant’s. Glenfiddich and Glenlivet for one-shot only bar celebrations. Nowadays I have no alcohol substitutes for holidays, I just hoist a Vernor’s Diet Ginger Ale. Every year at this time I do crave Beaujolais Nouveau for maybe a day, but never imbibe of any. https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/food/we-deserve-nouveau-wine-in-2020–a-vintage-meant-to-be-fun-and-drunk-right-away/2020/11/20/8b8476f0-2a80-11eb-8fa2-06e7cbb145c0_story.html

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  53. Deborah said on November 23, 2020 at 9:27 pm

    We haven’t had turkey for thanksgiving for years. This year my husband is making risotto with scallops, leeks, sun dried tomatoes and an as yet to be determined green vegetable. We’ll probably buy a pumpkin pie somewhere and I have to admit my favorite topping is cool whip. I mean homemade whipping cream is great but as Julie said, it doesn’t last and it’s kind of a pain to make when I’m lazy. I’m going for as little to do myself as possible this year. It will just be the three of us, me, my husband and LB.

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  54. Mark P said on November 23, 2020 at 9:47 pm

    Turkey breast can be moist, but the real key is giblet gravy. Sneak in a little dressing on the fork, too.

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  55. Suzanne said on November 23, 2020 at 10:05 pm

    This is a perfect tweet


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  56. Jakash said on November 23, 2020 at 11:10 pm

    Hmmm… Dexter, unless I’m mistaken, back when you were drinking it, Smirnoff was still a *good* vodka. Certainly not on the bottom shelf like the Popov or Sasha, or even the Wolfschmidt. Those were the days before Absolut and then dozens of supposedly *premium* vodkas took over the market and relegated Smirnoff to second-class status. Drinkers of good whiskey that I know disdain any vodka as just being an alcohol-delivery system for mixed drinks, as the point of distilling the stuff 5 times is to make it not taste like anything.

    Nothing wrong with Wild Turkey 101, though! : ) I’ve looked at and drunk a lot of bourbon, but I gotta say that Bond and Lillard doesn’t ring a bell. These days I like the Bulleit, Makers Mark price range, Jim Beam Black for a cheaper option — when on sale, which I don’t believe is a thing in Ohio. Deborah’s old client Woodford Reserve, while excellent, is a bit out of range!

    Funny tweet, Suzanne. Very sporting of you, given that all you Hoosiers were undoubtedly hoping for a better outcome Saturday…

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  57. LAMary said on November 24, 2020 at 12:47 am

    I’m doing turkey breasts because I had a lot of variables to consider on how many people when they, we, I eat. A fifteen pound turkey would have been rough on short notice or for few diners. Two turkey breasts take less time and if it’s a two person Thanksgiving or three or four or five I can roast one or two turkey breasts and not have an entire shelf of the fridge occupied with a carcass. I have a smallish fridge in a smallish kitchen. The unroasted breast, if that’s what happens, can go into the freezer or sent off to the son who is doing Thanksgiving at his girlfriend’s house because we’re infectious here. Tough to split a whole turkey and I don’t want two or three or four or five turkey legs.

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  58. A. Riley said on November 24, 2020 at 2:27 am

    And if I may elaborate on one item of Nancy’s *truly inspired* list of people and things she never wants to see again: Thin youngish white women with big fake boobs, lots of long wavy blonde hair draped forward over their shoulders, way too much eye makeup, and tight short low-cut sleeveless dresses *for work.* Yeah, I’m real tired of the Fox Blondie look. *REAL* tired of it.

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  59. Dexter Friend said on November 24, 2020 at 4:18 am

    Jakash, Bond and Lillard was sold in Ohio “State Stores”, before they were ended and the state licensed drug stores to sell booze. That may have only been in smaller towns like here in Bryan; I think Defiance still may have a “state store”…hell, I don’t know. Bert Wolfe, the WWI vet I have mentioned here before is who got me on the B & L as well as the Popov, which he rarely drank but kept for his good friend Dale, who loved it. Bert told of how he was a trench in France and another doughboy asked, “Sarge, ya wanna drink?” Bert said ” Don’t ask foolish questions!” as he grabbed the bottle. In the light of an exploding shell he could make out a logo of a turkey, and years later realized it was Wild Turkey he had drunk that night in France.

    Can you believe this dumb shit? Years ago my daughter Sandi convinced me to set up a PayPal account. I used it maybe twice, then after a couple years, deleted it and forgot it. Now, somehow, some asshole found my digital ID and charged some toys on it. I mean..it was supposed to have been de-activated maybe 10 years ago! My daughter will know how to handle this, I fucking damn-sure do not.

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  60. Deborah said on November 24, 2020 at 5:15 am

    A Riley, the long wavy hair draped forward over their shoulders is a look I find only made for the camera not functional real life. How would you get that hair to stay in place like that when you went about your daily business.

    I think women like Melania and Ivanka look so much better when their hair is swept up in a do off their necks. I thought Melania looked terrific at the inauguration for example.

    I’ve had long hair from time to time in my life and it was fine for a while.

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  61. Dorothy said on November 24, 2020 at 7:21 am

    Well Mary, if I had the time to do it, I guarantee I would come grab those boxes from you! Thanks for the reminder.

    We’re eating on Thursday at our son’s, where we have been getting together at least once or twice a month since May. I’m making an apple pie, a chocolate pudding pie, stuffing with gluten (cuz our son can’t do gluten, he’s making gluten-free stuffing) and yams. Just the five of us and I’m not sad about it. Not too much, anyway. Our daughter was going to come with her partner but they decided not to due to the booming pandemic. Safety now hopefully translates to more joyous togetherness in the near future.

    Anyone else see Rachel Maddow last night? The topic of the US leaving the Open Skies agreement and the Boeing planes that 45’s administration has decided to ‘liquidate’ had me furious. I might have to go back to neglecting Maddow and Nicolle Wallace, my two favorite shows on MSNBC, and my blood pressure will thank me for it. I vacillate between wanting to keep informed by intelligent people and the desire to maintain some semblance of calm about the next 8-9 weeks.

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  62. alex said on November 24, 2020 at 7:41 am

    This year it’s just going to be Thanksgiving for two, and that’s fine. As I mentioned before, it’s my first opportunity to try America’s Test Kitchen’s turkey en cocotte, where you brown and braise a breast in a dutch oven.

    Today feeling a weird sense of relief that the transition is moving forward and that Biden is staffing up with competent people in whose hands the world will feel safer and it occurred to me why perhaps so many voted for Trump, aside from the racism. I think a lot of people don’t have any understanding or appreciation of foreign policy or economics and feel frozen out of the conversation when it comes to wonky stuff. It just doesn’t hold their interest. The GOP weaponized this post-9/11, first by letting Dubya pretend that we were avenging the incident by invading Iraq, then by pretending that Obama’s foreign policy was an “apology tour” and that he was “genuflecting to Muslims” and “selling out” our country to “terrorists” with the Iran nuclear agreement.

    Trump, who famously refused to be briefed on any matter, swaggered onto the world stage and acted like a jerk and destabilized the whole world in the process. He did this for the benefit of his supporters. His supporters were impressed.

    We’ve got a lot of work to do, but civics education should be a top priority in addition to climate change, or the world is still going to be fucked.

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  63. JodiP said on November 24, 2020 at 8:42 am

    I think I may have said it’s just us two as well, and that we’re doing a duck with various side vegetables.

    One thing about this administration: I have inadvertantly learned so much about the cogs of governing because so many norms were broken. I did not know there was an emoluments clause; never heard of the GSA, or the Open Skies treaty (well, I know I did a few months ago, but before that? Don’t think so.) I’m sure I could provide more, but just can’t think of anything right now.

    I am shocked in a good way that the justice dept. did not try to help Trump steal the election. They’ve done lots of other ratf***ery to be sure.

    In a little more than 24 hours we’ll meet our dog Greta for the first time. Heads up to my FB friends: wall-to-wall dog pics forthcoming!

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  64. Mark P said on November 24, 2020 at 8:52 am

    Long hair, huh? About 45 years ago I had long, red hair down on my shoulders. I don’t remember it being a hassle, even while I was running. My hair is pretty short now, even though I only get two haircuts a year. This year I let it grow for a long time, like most people. I considered letting it go permanently, but then I saw an old guy with long hair, and I thought, “I don’t want to look like that.”

    Of course, I have about half as much hair as I did 45 years ago, so it was never going to be the same. And it’s not the same color.

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  65. Jenny Derringer said on November 24, 2020 at 9:02 am

    What you said… ditto.

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  66. Suzanne said on November 24, 2020 at 9:09 am

    JodiP, and anyone else reading this, pick up a copy of Michael Lewis’s The Fifth Risk to give you an idea of how the cogs of governing work and what damage has been done by Trump. It’s a very readable and compelling book.

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  67. Peter said on November 24, 2020 at 9:10 am

    Well, I’m late to the party, but the fat lady has finally sung – and how about that memo? It just screams “you are so meeeeannnn to meeeee!”. Go back to Missouri – those crazy lawyers have plenty of room to take on a boarder.

    We’re going to have a turkey breast for the three of us,and then some of the in laws are coming over to the backyard, weather permitting, for a bonfire over the tree stump that I still haven’t been able to completely remove. I would have had to remove and rebuild a brick pier if I wanted to bring in a stump grinder, and that’s starting to look like that would have been the better decision. Kind of like getting rid of all the Trump in the government, am I right?

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  68. LAMary said on November 24, 2020 at 9:21 am

    I’ve got long hair. It grows fast. Most of the time it’s in a ponytail or up in a clip but not having to go get a haircut every four weeks to keep it in a presentable shape works for me. I wore my hair short for years. It looked cute. It was expensive to maintain. I have cool bun clips and an antique tortoiseshell barrette instead.

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  69. Mark P said on November 24, 2020 at 9:21 am

    Peter, the correct term for the Trump fiasco is a dumpster fire, not a stump fire. You just won’t get the right stink unless you burn garbage.

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  70. Connie said on November 24, 2020 at 9:57 am

    I agree with Alex about that weird sense of relief, plus Michigan election certified.

    We are just the two of us and will be cooking a whole pork loin, making mashed and gravy, baked winter squash, and other traditional foods. Dessert will be a chocolate trifle, I dont much care about pie.

    Daughter is also staying home and cooking a pork loin for two and has asked me to walk her through the process of making gravy in the roasting pan. Her guy has a newish job building giant docks and seawalls around the Great Lakes. He has been in eastern Lake Erie New York shore for a couple of weeks so she is glad to have him home.

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  71. Scout said on November 24, 2020 at 10:10 am

    Wouldn’t it be wonderful if the media spent the next four years interviewing Biden voters? Here’s the scenario. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/want-to-understand-biden-voters-heres-your-reading-list/2020/11/23/1b5f07a0-2dbe-11eb-bae0-50bb17126614_story.html

    Our vegan Thanksgiving will just be us and my parents who’ve been as careful about quarantining and masking as we have. The rest of my family will be gathering with my son-in-law’s clan, probably at least 20 of them altogether. They are under the impression that my parents and I are “over reacting, it’s just the flu”, etc, and it has been a source of high stress for me since this whole thing began. Anyway, the four of us will have our feast and we will pray for the rest of our loved ones to continue to beat the odds.

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  72. David C said on November 24, 2020 at 10:34 am

    Chicken, gravy, mashies, salad, whatever vegetable we decide on at the last minute, and pie. Just the two of us. Eaten at the dining room table instead of at the breakfast nook. That’s Thanksgiving every year. We don’t go home for Thanksgiving. We stay here and are thankful.

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  73. basset said on November 24, 2020 at 10:38 am

    Sure hope they do, and everyone else’s too.

    Now, if I can insert something totally off topic: Dexter’s PayPal experience reminded me that I have been putting off getting an eBay account. Had one years ago but PayPal wasn’t a requirement back then and IIRC the commission was a lot lower. I have some stuff I need to clear out, mostly books and cameras, and local Craigslist is probably not a wide enough audience… anyone else have eBay experience I can learn from? thanks…

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  74. alex said on November 24, 2020 at 11:19 am

    I have very recent e-bay experience as a matter of fact. I created an account last week so that I could buy my parents a retro-colored toilet to match the rest of their mid-century bath fixtures. Their toilet got broken during a plumbing repair and we figured we’d have to order another one. The company that makes retro-color toilets appears to have gone belly up so we figured we’d have to find a used one.

    So I find a used one in perfect condition and the right color. I pay for it on e-bay, but the price doesn’t include the shipping charges which are to be calculated by the seller. I receive the total charges the next day and about shit myself. Nonetheless I still try to complete the sale and PayPal won’t accept my credit card. I went through repeatedly and couldn’t find anything wrong but apparently it had issues with something in one of the fields being incorrect. So I tried to e-mail e-bay and explain my situation but no response.

    Instead I keep receiving threatening e-mails from e-bay that I’m going to be put on some kind of punitive list for not having consummated the sale. Meanwhile my handy hubby epoxied the busted toilet and it seems to be working fine, so we really don’t need somebody’s overpriced used toilet anyway.

    I’m sorry I opened an e-bay account. I’ll probably never use it. It’s just another opportunity for my info to get hacked. Here’s betting credit transactions on my card will go through just fine for someone else.

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  75. Julie Robinson said on November 24, 2020 at 11:31 am

    No help for you on eBay; I’ve bought a few things but never tried to sell. And I only buy when I can use my credit card because of my PayPal experience.

    Our daughter wanted to pay us for her phone bill every month through PayPal, because it was so easy, and she didn’t have checks. It turned out to be not easy to get the money; first you have to login and request its release, then 3-5 business days later it can be moved into your account. I never used it to pay for anything because I prefer the consumer protections that come with credit cards.

    One day I logged in and there was a $500 debit against my account. PayPal told me I would have to take it up with my credit union. That was it. It was totally on me to fix. I was able to get the help I needed at the credit union and after a couple of weeks the money was restored. The second it was I closed my account.

    So Dexter, I predict many hours on the phone with your financial institution. You didn’t need that right now but I hope you are able to work it out.

    Because of my experience I’ve stayed away from Venmo and all the other electronic ways to send money. I’ve read stories of people sending money to the wrong person and being unable to get it back. If I can’t use cash, check, or credit card, it doesn’t happen.

    And you know? I just ordered checks for our new place and they were less than $10. I only write two or three every month but they sure come in handy.

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  76. LAMary said on November 24, 2020 at 11:48 am

    EBay and PayPal were started by the same people. Elon Musk for one Meg Whitman was one as well. I use paypal pretty regularly. About a month ago i was charged for something I didn’t order. I wrote to paypal. They investigated and said the vendor claimed I ordered it so tough nougies. Then they refunded my money. Ok. Whatever. The vendor hasn’t asked for the money back and I’m not going to open that can of worms. Julie, can’t your daughter pay her phone bill by debit card on the phone? I do that all the time too and never had a bad experience. I haven’t written a check in years. I pay electronically for most everything. I have a Venmo account that I only use to tip the lady who cuts my hair three times a year, but my sons both use Venmo all the time with no problems so far.

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  77. Sherri said on November 24, 2020 at 12:00 pm

    Meg Whitman and eBay bought PayPal; she wasn’t a founder of either company. Elon Musk and Peter Thiel were both founders of PayPal. Pierre Omidyar was the founder of eBay, while Whitman was brought in as the CEO after the founding.

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  78. Julie Robinson said on November 24, 2020 at 12:04 pm

    Our daughter was paying us because she’s still on our account. You get a better deal with more people. Our son got kicked off because he kept going way over on data and it was too stressful. These days we just cover her phone because it’s one small way we can help her out. Her church is struggling and her side hustle got cancelled. She was working with a music program for dementia patients at nursing homes.

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  79. Sherri said on November 24, 2020 at 12:26 pm

    How does a Black kid from Flint end up spending summers working on a fishing boat in Alaska?


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  80. David C said on November 24, 2020 at 12:32 pm

    I’ve sold a few thing on eBay. Probably fewer than fifty. I’ve never really had a bad experience as a seller. My only advice is to pack the items before you list them so you have the actual cost of shipping on the listing. I’ve listed things one or two times when I was in a hurry and guessed about the shipping weight and package size and ended up paying quite a bit more for shipping than I got from the buyer. I’ve never had any problems with PayPal as a buyer or seller.

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  81. LAMary said on November 24, 2020 at 12:41 pm

    When Meg Whitman ran for governor here in CA she was sort of claiming she was the founder of EBay. She lost to Jerry Brown, so it’s all good.
    I haven’t spoken to my brother the uber Republican since the election. Although he’s deeply closeted (in the opinion of everyone related to or famliar with him) he works very hard at appearing to be straight, fanatically law abiding (won’t use weed to help with his chemo because it’s still illegal federally even if CO says it’s legal) and as clean cut as Ronald Reagan he thinks Trump is fab. But I was thinking: how much does someone like my brother, my nephew the nasty racist cop, the very white person at a trump rally have to overlook to like trump? Same brother cites Biden plagiarizing parts of a Neal Kinnock speech in 1973 or saying that Obama is a liar because he said people could keep their doctor. But he’s ok with Trump’s womanizing, tax cheating, bankruptcies, makeup wearing, dog hating, nepotism, con games and accusations of sexual assault. Whatever benefit trump fans must get from this asshole has to be spectacular. I wouldn’t let trump drive my car much have the nuclear codes.

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  82. Sherri said on November 24, 2020 at 1:02 pm

    JodiP, I second the recommendation of The Fifth Risk. I know a lot more than most about the cogs of government, and I still learned a lot.

    And I think the only reason Bill Barr didn’t interfere in the election was that it wasn’t close enough for him to find a leverage point. He did make one attempt, and the top elections guy in the DOJ resigned over it: https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/09/politics/william-barr-voting-irregularities/index.html

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  83. Suzanne said on November 24, 2020 at 1:13 pm

    “When supporting Trump became an indictment of people’s morality/character, the need to “exonerate” him became an obsession… because exonerating him, exonerated them. Therefore they felt compelled to engage in bias (morality) confirming behavior, which resulted in them compulsively seeking out information/sources (Rush/Fox) that completely confirm their morality (that they’re “good” people), while completely dismissing information/sources that challenge their worldview (Trump/politics), because a challenge to their worldview is a challenge to their morality.”


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  84. David C said on November 24, 2020 at 1:30 pm

    Nuclear codes. Not to worry. Atom bombs are fake. Just piles of TNT. So says a nutty professor at Ferris State University, my alma mater. Page 2 about half way down. You won’t want to miss the rest of it either. The guy is a piece of work.


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  85. Sherri said on November 24, 2020 at 1:41 pm

    Of course, the guy is a physics professor.

    I really wish we could get past the idea that there are good people and bad people. So much harm is done by good people who can’t imagine that they’re doing harm because they’re good people!

    We’re just people. We do good things, we do bad things. Even people who do mostly good things do bad things, and people who do mostly bad things do good things.

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  86. Deborah said on November 24, 2020 at 1:42 pm

    I only know about the GSA because my husband designed the Federal Courthouse in St. Louis and the GSA was technically his client, and I designed the architectural signage for that building too although I didn’t interact directly with the GSA like my husband did. The GSA had a very good reputation during the Clinton years for getting quality buildings built after many previous years of building shitty ones. I can guess that Trump’s GSA was a mess based on Emily Murphy.

    Snow in Santa Fe this morning, not much and a high in the 40s so won’t last.

    We got tested this morning and the wait in line wasn’t bad at all, only 4 or 5 cars ahead of us, 5 to 7 day wait for results, at least they didn’t lie and say 3 days, when it was actually 8 last time.

    Tonight LB is making my birthday dinner since I was in Chicago on Oct 11. She’s making Pasta Bolognese, my favorite.

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  87. Mark P said on November 24, 2020 at 1:50 pm

    Just watching Biden introduce some of his nominees for various offices. The adults are back in the room.

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  88. David C said on November 24, 2020 at 2:03 pm

    I don’t know why but it surprised me that he was a physics professor. If he was an engineering professor I would have believed it in a second. It seems like applied science gives you a bigger opportunity to go off the rails than basic sciences would.

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  89. Mark P said on November 24, 2020 at 2:36 pm

    All the nutty professor proves is that there are nuts in the world. Being a physics professor is not proof against personality disorders. Being a physics prof also does not mean that a person is smart in the commonly- understood way. He might, or might not, be smarter than the average bear. A PhD isn’t a demonstration that a person is smart. In fact, I have known some PhD’s that said some pretty silly stuff even in work environments.

    I tried briefly to find out more about Thomas Brennan but got mostly accounts of scandal.

    I have criticized physicists for thinking that a physics degree makes them an expert in any area. Brennan is apparently a nut in a lot of areas.

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  90. Margaret said on November 24, 2020 at 3:20 pm

    Perfect description of the whole kit and kaboodle of this deranged and incompetent admin. You are right that the less attention he gets, the more he will be frustrated. But will that cause him to act out in dangerous ways, like the petulant and self-centered toddler he is? I was very relieved that one of the Republicans went along with the two Democrats to seal the votes for Biden in Michigan. What a surreal experience this is!!

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  91. Sherri said on November 24, 2020 at 4:31 pm

    We have this discussion here before, but in my experience, people with physics degrees lead in arrogance, even ahead of surgeons. I don’t know of many surgeons who would think it would be relatively easy to pick up physics, but I know many physicists who think any field is relatively easy to pick up. And yes, I say that as someone with an undergraduate degree in physics.

    Yesterday, I managed to find a little bit about Thomas Brennan before it got swamped by scandal. He has a BA in Physics from the University of Chicago, an MS in Physics from UCLA, and a PhD from Illinois Institute of Technology, which is not what you’d typically expect from a graduate of Chicago and UCLA. That says to me some combination of bad grades and bad letters of recommendation, because bad GREs could definitely be overcome by good grades and recommendations from reputable institutions. In other words, dude was nuts long before this.

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  92. Deborah said on November 24, 2020 at 4:31 pm

    That Brennan guy is sad. It’s sad that he’s getting the attention he obviously craves, sad that he’s losing his job and sad that he has mental health issues he’s probably not going to get help for.

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  93. Sherri said on November 24, 2020 at 4:46 pm

    Emily from GSA finally sends the letter, in a huff, so the transition can formally begin, and the stock market reacts positively, with the Dow breaking 30K. The Dolt in Chief emerges from his pout to make a brief statement to take credit for this, calling it a “sacred number.”

    You really couldn’t possibly make this shit up.

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  94. David C said on November 24, 2020 at 4:58 pm

    I heard excerpts this afternoon of President Obama reading from his new book. I usually buy the book itself but I’m getting the audio book. I want to hear his voice for 23 hours. I want a reminder of when things made sense.

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  95. Jm said on November 24, 2020 at 5:26 pm

    There are plenty of crazy hard science profs. Two that have jumped to mind recently (one not so recent- I work with the loon) are Q-Anon COVID denying Trumpers. What sets this guy apart are the moon landing and nuclear bomb insanities. He is a Physics Professor!!! who runs the planetarium!!!! for godsakes!

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  96. susan said on November 24, 2020 at 6:03 pm

    Not so-o-o-oo long ago, breaking 800 was sacred.

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  97. Dexter Friend said on November 24, 2020 at 7:16 pm

    …”he’s ok with Trump’s womanizing, tax cheating, bankruptcies, makeup wearing, dog hating, nepotism, con games and accusations of sexual assault. Whatever benefit trump fans must get from this asshole has to be spectacular. ” Just worthy of repeating from LA M.

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  98. beb said on November 24, 2020 at 7:59 pm

    My Dad, in his last few years, slept through a lot of audio books. He would lay back in his recliner, put on his headphone and soon the soothing voice of the narrator would put him to sleep. He never realized he was sleeping and would complain that he couldn’t remember half of what he heard.

    My eyes aren’t what they used to be but are good enough to read a book. I dont think I’ve ever tried to listen to an audio book. It always struck me was requiring too much attention to listen to and drive a car, and I can read so much faster than listen. That said I have to agree with David G that listening to Barack Obama’s voice for 24 hours would so soothing.

    It would be nice to Cetus Safari’s to the heart of Queens or Staten Island. Find out what makes Biden voters tick. We knew all along what makes Trump voters tick, we just couldn’t believe those people when they told who they were. They like Trump because he hates the same people as they do.

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  99. Julie Robinson said on November 24, 2020 at 8:16 pm

    Audiobooks are wonderful for those of us with poor vision. I can barely manage the newspaper anymore, and reading a regular book is exhausting. I’m becoming increasingly annoyed that our library is no longer buying as many audiobooks as they used to.

    Anyway, I’m #45 in the queue to listen to Obama, so it’s time to practice patience.

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  100. Mark P said on November 24, 2020 at 8:43 pm

    Julie, have you considered reading on an e-book. You can adjust the type size.

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  101. Sherri said on November 24, 2020 at 8:57 pm

    My mind tends to wander when I listen to audiobooks, but I decided not to let that bother me. I approach it as skimming. If it’s a book that I feel like I need that every last detail, then audio doesn’t cut it. But something to distract me on a drive or during cardio or some other task, perfect. I also use audiobooks to nap; something I already have read, particularly narrated in a good plummy British accent, is good. PG Wodehouse works well. If it didn’t bother my husband, I’d use it to go to sleep at night.

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  102. Julie Robinson said on November 24, 2020 at 9:20 pm

    Headphones, Sherri, headphones.

    I do read ebooks and large print when I can find them. Audio lets me multitask if I’m sewing or cooking or ironing, and I’ve come to prefer them.

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  103. Sherri said on November 24, 2020 at 9:26 pm

    In the glad I live 3000 miles away department so I don’t even have to have this fight…

    Talked to my Mom today. She and my Dad will be driving to my brother’s Saturday for Thanksgiving, joining my nephews, one who is a dentist, the other a physical therapist. Additionally, the dentist nephew is the only family member I’m friends with in FB, and I’ve routinely seen him attending weddings and other outings with friends, unmasked and not socially distant. (He’s 29, and both he and his wife are very social.)

    My parents are in their early 80s, Mom has asthma, Dad has high blood pressure.

    This in the same conversation where she told me about a waiting room at a doctor’s office that was too small and crowded for her, so she waited in the hallway. I guess only strangers (read, black people) have COVID.

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  104. Deborah said on November 24, 2020 at 10:30 pm

    I love listening to podcasts but my husband doesn’t so I use earbuds. I listen to audiobooks in the car on long drives but not in my everyday situations. I can’t wait to be engaged in books again, mainly fiction. It’s been so hard to stay focused during this past year without stopping frequently to check the Internet to see what mind blowing idiocy just happened. Really, I’m so looking forward to sitting in the Abiquiu cabin and getting lost in a good book again. I hope my brain hasn’t degenerated to the point where I can’t do that anymore.

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  105. susan said on November 24, 2020 at 11:04 pm

    More in what we’re up against department. I don’t know how we will get out of this nightmare.

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  106. alex said on November 25, 2020 at 7:13 am

    Congrats in order here:


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