A frazzled frizzle.

Man, there is something about taking a piece of writing that is too long by half and trimming hundreds of words of fat from it. Sharpening focus, excising tangents, simplifying overlong sentences — you end your task thinking, man, this is better. You wish you could show readers what you started with. But the job of an editor is to be invisible, and so all I can do is leave behind this silver bullet, and…

…forgive me. My mind is awhirl with details and errands and crap, even though we’re well-organized for the upcoming trip. The to-do list is made and is being ticked off. Alan ordered some new books to read on the planes/trains. We upgraded our KN95 mask supply to fashionable black, because hey — Paris. But I’m still on the job, and we’re moving forward with a planned bathroom(s) rehab for later this fall, and the supplies are all being delivered – what supply-chain issues? – which is the long way of saying I just helped Alan carry six doors to the basement and then consulted with the writer I just trimmed.

A little scattered this morning. So how about a wee mixed grill?

** Who decided the hashtag for 9/11 anniversaries was #NeverForget, and why do I overwhelmingly see it on right-wingers’ social media? I mean, to paraphrase Joaquin Phoenix in “Walk the Line,” did they think we maybe forgot? I don’t want to give these people any more, seeing as how they’ve already glommed onto the American flag, the word “patriot” and the once-essential, now-hives-inducing OK and thumbs-up gestures. They don’t get 9/11, too, no matter how many memes they hit the Share button on. As long as there are meme lords, there will always be a way for them to express their feelings, and it will probably feature a candle burning in a dark room.

** Unsatisfied with just one band to play in, Kate has hooked up with a second, although this is more casual. GiGi, another all-female lineup “dedicated to the power of anthems,” as their social media says. They played a quick five-song set (all they have right now) and they have a single/video, which you can watch here. It’s very…anthemic. The story of the song (and the genesis of the band) is in the notes on the video. If you watch carefully, you might see an old bag lady they dragged in from the street to add a little age diversity. We shot it last spring sometime. Here’s Saturday’s soiree, which was in Becky Tyner’s back yard in Detroit. It was fun — lotsa people. The deck made an imperfect stage for photography, but I did what I could.

** Finally, what is -core, to you? What sort of -core are you? The WashPost asks:

The spring of 2020 seems quaint in retrospect: We learned to knit, baked sourdough bread, solved puzzles and sewed handmade masks. Some people moved out of cities to get away from people, and spend more time in nature. This, we decided, was called “cottagecore” — performative cozy nesting, dried flowers, vintage aprons, a sense of optimism.

…And now? It’s still ramping up, but the new pandemic “core” is “goblincore.” Because that’s apparently where the summer surge has taken us. Goblincore is about pure fantasy and escaping humanity to live in the woods: Think homes filled with dark wood and plants, mossy colors, whimsical mushroom prints, earthen homes, tarot cards, extreme isolation, plenty of brown corduroy and tweed.

“All three of these movements are about trying to create an ideal,” says Ruth Page, who teaches English and linguistics at the University of Birmingham in England, “which is a way of comforting and alleviating the distress of the reality that is around us.”

I’m not sure which I am. Agingcore, maybe. OK, then, time to get this up before I lose every reader I have.

Posted at 12:19 pm in Current events, Same ol' same ol' |

51 responses to “A frazzled frizzle.”

  1. basset said on September 13, 2021 at 12:30 pm

    Off topic but still musical – today is Bill Monroe’s birthday.


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  2. LAMary said on September 13, 2021 at 12:32 pm


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  3. basset said on September 13, 2021 at 12:39 pm

    Off topic but still musical: today is Bill Monroe’s birthday.

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  4. Joe Kobiela said on September 13, 2021 at 2:03 pm

    Nice video, you didn’t look out of place at all and Kate looked like she was having fun.
    Pilot Joe

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  5. alex said on September 13, 2021 at 3:31 pm

    We’ll I’m home from this morning’s septoplasty and bleeding out the nose and using up massive amounts of gauze. I had no idea they expected me to be off work for a week, but indeed they do and now I can see why. The pain is also quite unpleasant and not much relieved by Norco. Need to go lay down as I’m still woozy as hell from the anesthesia.

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  6. Jeff Borden said on September 13, 2021 at 3:31 pm

    I hesitate to ask, but what did Mitch Albom write about 9/11?

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  7. nancy said on September 13, 2021 at 3:38 pm

    Astonishingly, he took a bye and wrote about the Detroit Lions instead.

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  8. JodiP said on September 13, 2021 at 4:55 pm

    Glad to hear plans are moving ahead with the Paris trip! We spent time on a cafe patio with iced coffees and chocolate cake yesterday planning our “what we’ll do” list for Ireland. We both agree the Butter Museum in Cork is a must. We are staying in Cork City for part of our trip and plan to do day trips from there.

    Two people I know at work are in the ICU with COVID. One has been there for at least 2 weeks, and I found out about the other last week. One has significant co-morbidities including a kidney transplant. I don’t know either of them well, but I really hope they pull through. Our area suffered a terrible loss about 6 weeks ago when a case manager died suddenly from a heart attack.

    A good friend of ours needed surgery for a detached retina, and it’s not healing well. His husband is certainly capable of cooking, etc, but I offered to drop off dinner. Pasta with homemade pesto with grilled chicken and a salad with tomatoes from our garden is coming their way.

    Alex, that sounds so uncomfortable! I hope it settles down and you have good results.

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  9. Deborah said on September 13, 2021 at 5:14 pm

    Ouch, Alex I hope you get some relief. Take it easy.

    Tomorrow our condo windows are being field measured. I’m working on making it easy for them to get to them. All of the windows except the A-hole owner’s will be measured. We have our lawyer working on our case and have found out some interesting stuff so far.

    I binge watched “the Chair” and it was fantastic. It really is like that in academia, at least where my husband taught architecture for 15 years. He doesn’t miss it.

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  10. Mark P said on September 13, 2021 at 5:37 pm

    This, we decided, was called “cottagecore” …

    Oh, did we now? I don’t recall participating in that decision, and I would be surprised if the writer could come up with more than two who did. But I’m sure it’s a thing that is sweeping the nation, and literally every single person in the country is saying it.

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  11. Julie Robinson said on September 13, 2021 at 6:14 pm

    25 years ago Cottagecore was Shabby Chic; everything comes back around again. I guess I’m in transitioncore. We still aren’t all settled in and I can see it will take months.

    But, we bought the cuuuutest little refrigerator for our kitchen nook in the addition, a retro look in mint green. I did something I never do, I clicked on an ad from another store during my search, and there it was, same price and specs as the boring white one. Five minutes later it was mine.

    Oh Alex, that’s awful. Way back when D was looking at treatments for his snoring I think that was one of the possibilities, but they determined he didn’t have sleep apnea so he declined. Here’s hoping this will be effective for you.

    I hate to tell Gigi that it’s not just the nights we have to take back.

    Mary, are you still in the job hunt?

    I wish I could make all the Covidiots read the book I just finished, by Amanda Kloots. Her husband was an early casualty, but not until he spent 95 days in the ICU and lost both a leg and half his body weight. His son turned one during that time and will never know his daddy.

    I know they mostly don’t read, but maybe they could listen to the audiobook version, and weep along with the author as she tells the story. It’s heart wrenching.

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  12. LAMary said on September 13, 2021 at 7:51 pm

    As of today I am employed. Another contract gig but good pay.

    I had an apartment in the seventies that was cottagecheesecore. Just the ceiling.

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  13. Deborah said on September 13, 2021 at 8:04 pm

    I think we have that same ceiling texture in the Santa Fe Condo, with fake beams that were dark brown but we painted white. The white beams now have a difinite cottage-core vibe, not that we were going for that. I have a friend who many moons ago when she was pregnant had an overwhelming compulsion to knaw on an outside corner of her walls that had that cottage cheese looking texture.

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  14. David C said on September 13, 2021 at 8:22 pm

    I feel like I’m on a roller coaster. Two days ago, my dad was supposed to have bypass surgery today. Yesterday, he was supposed to get stents put in today. Today, they didn’t do a damned thing. The nurse told my brother that the three cardiologists on the case can’t agree on what to do. It sounds like two cardiologists too many. Meanwhile, today’s the eighth day he’s been in the hospital. They always have the curtain pulled so he has no idea if it’s day or night. The TV isn’t working so he’s bored out of his mind and sleeping all the time. I wish they’d shit or get off the pot. At what point does a hospitalization become a hostage situation?

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  15. Dexter Friend said on September 13, 2021 at 8:34 pm

    The OK sign has been used for years by basketballers, signifying a 3-point shot made. I saw different college football fans using it also, to show love for their team. The white power assholes simply confiscated it.
    I remember when Nixon-loving construction workers in NYC stole the ‘flag meaning’ from democracy-loving Americans. It was during a giant antiwar protest in 1970. From then on, the flag has been hoisted at every right wing and wacko event. Yes, they stole it.
    But for some heroic police at The Capitol, Nancy Pelosi and Mike Pence could have been murdered…it was just a quirk of luck the mob did not capture and kill them and other Congress people. All under Old Glory. We should reclaim the flag for decency, away from mob rule and violence.

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  16. beb said on September 13, 2021 at 8:54 pm

    A long time ago on an internet far, far away I read a quote from 18th(?) century letter-writer who apologized for the length of his letter by saying “I didn’t have time to write more briefly.” It struck me then that truer words were never spoken. It takes a lot of effort to be succinct yet clear.

    “Cottagecore”? I think a lot of us are still at “bunkercore.”

    Justice Amy Coney Island, or whatever her name is, is crying crocodile tears because people (correctly) think she’s a political hack and not a serene judge only calling balls and strikes. By the way, Major League Baseball is considering getting a machine to call balls and strikes because human umpires aren’t always right or consistent.

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  17. Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on September 13, 2021 at 10:04 pm

    Alex, I’ve been thinking of you today, and pushing good thoughts your way. Septoplasty is brutal, no way around it. Small incisions but in fragile areas which are right up against your brain, and so you really really feel it, mentally and physically. Don’t rush, don’t push, just take the time they give you and let it heal up as well as it can. The good part is that tissue heals quickly, but don’t hurry anything or you get to start over again!

    Son and spouse both got COVID tests today, and I’m enjoying the semi-anti-quarantine of the patio and guest bedroom for a few days. Finding a testing site was harder than my wife thought, but I warned them . . . anyhow, tests in, and results soonish. We’re all three vaccinated, but he’s a school teacher now, and I’m supposed to go take a 92 year old to a medical appointment on Friday, so we’re all hoping it’s just ragweed run amok.

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  18. Icarus said on September 13, 2021 at 10:30 pm

    Symbols. Wasn’t the swastika a symbol of good luck until Hitler stole it?

    Also, there are some Christian groups trying to steal the rainbow (from LGBTQ) as a promise from God not to kill humans in another flood? So instead God just came up with more creative ways to do it.

    Julie Robinson @ 10: I feel your pain. Our Chicago house is sold and I’m down in Mississippi in the house we bought from my wife’s parents, but they are not moved out yet because they are getting stuff done at their new place.

    Nightingale is still in Chicago finishing up work through Oct 1 so we can have health insurance for the rest of that month. I go back with her the last week of Sept to finish up some loose ends and then we drive her car down here.

    I guess I’ll never eat a burrito with Jeff Borden at Garcia’s or make it to Deborah’s fall swaray.

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  19. Deborah said on September 13, 2021 at 10:43 pm

    Ragweed gone wild. Santa Fe around us has run rampant with ragweed. I and LB have been having allergy issues because of it. Up and down our lane ragweed is growing out the wazoo. The former boys and girls club field next door is filled with it. I yanked some out of our yard a few days ago. My throat and eyes are feeling it. Blah. Only a few days before I go back to Chicago so I’ll live.

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  20. Deborah said on September 14, 2021 at 12:03 am

    I played your Gigi’s link and LB just asked me who it was from across the apt to her room because she liked it a lot, I agree. I’m 70 and she’s in her mid 40’s so it’s appealing to a quite a cross-section of women.

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  21. Brandon said on September 14, 2021 at 2:23 am

    fashionable black

    Speaking of which, a certain singer showed up in an all-leather outfit.

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  22. JodiP said on September 14, 2021 at 9:33 am

    Madonna’s not my cup of tea, but Amanda Gorman sure is.

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  23. Jeff Borden said on September 14, 2021 at 9:46 am


    It’s a pity we couldn’t gather at Garcia’s. I was there Sunday evening with an old friend dating to high school and his wife and Chicago-based daughter. The al pastor burrito was better than ever. Good luck in Mississippi. We drove through it on our way back from a visit to Texas and I was impressed with the beautiful topography, the friendly people we met and some outstanding Southern cuisine. But, good dog, the poverty is breathtaking. And I was used to driving through West Virginia to Ohio when I lived in Charlotte. I hope the state and its people treat you well.

    Both Chicago papers have a story on a QAnon adherent who was hospitalized by coronavirus at a facility on the Northwest Side and died over the weekend. The hospital was besieged by Qnuts, demanding it treat her with invermectin and lambasting the doctors and nurses for their medical tyranny. Among them were that rat bastard traitor Michael Flynn, who ought to be stripped of his military pensions, and L. Lin Wood, one of the lawyer dolts pushing the stolen election theory. Now that the Qlady is dead, they are pushing her martyrdom and calling for more conflict with the scientific community.

    Jesus, we’re a stupid fucking country.

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  24. Jeff Borden said on September 14, 2021 at 12:57 pm

    Oh, karma. You are nasty.


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  25. Julie Robinson said on September 14, 2021 at 12:57 pm

    Icarus, in Genesis 9, the rainbow was sent as a promise that God wouldn’t send another flood that covered the earth. So technically, they aren’t stealing the rainbow. That doesn’t mean I support any anti-gay anything, just picking a nit.

    Amanda Gorman is a gift in so many ways.

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  26. beb said on September 14, 2021 at 7:07 pm

    Icarus@17 – Yes, the swastika was a symbol of good luck, and remains so in Japan. It’s jarring when reading 1910s and 20s issues of Adventure to find the swastika used as page decorations.

    Every time I see a gallery of red carpet attire I’m reminded of the Emporer’s New Clothes, not because of the nakedness but because most of these outfits look hideous and would be impossible to walk in. Tney’re like clothes wearing people. The only one I liked was a woman wearing and black and purple bustier, with a matching scarf as a belt and leggings. It tastefully showed off her bosum while looking comfortable to wear all night.

    Speaking of Karma, an anti-vaccer pastor died from COVID. At this point I wish someone who start a list of all the radio hosts, pastors, influences and politicians who died from COVID after denoucing the vaccine. The Wapo did a list of Trump’s lies, so why not of list of deeased anti-vaccers.

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  27. David C said on September 14, 2021 at 7:36 pm

    On Reddit and Twitter there’s the Herman Cain Freedom Award.

    Qualifications for nomination:

    Public declaration of one’s anti-mask, anti-vaxx, or Covid-hoax views.
    Admission to hospital for Covid.

    Qualifications for award:

    Award is granted upon the nominee’s release from their Earthly shackles.

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  28. Jim said on September 14, 2021 at 7:52 pm

    beb: from a WaPo story today:

    “Messages left for Williams, KMOV, the radio station that airs their show, and Denver Bible Church, where Bob Enyart was pastor since 2000, were not immediately returned.

    Enyart is at least the fifth conservative radio talk-show host to have died of covid-19 in the last six weeks after speaking out against vaccinations and masking. The others are Marc Bernier, 65, a longtime host in Florida; Phil Valentine, 61, a popular host in Tennessee; Jimmy DeYoung, 81, a nationally syndicated Christian preacher also based in Tennessee; and Dick Farrel, 65, who had worked for stations in Miami and Palm Beach, Fla., as well as for the conservative Newsmax TV channel.”

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  29. Dave said on September 14, 2021 at 7:52 pm

    There’s this site: http://www.sorryantivaxxer.com

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  30. Icarus said on September 14, 2021 at 8:04 pm

    Julie Robinson @24: I knew it was in there somewhere but I don’t think they cared much until it became the undeniable symbol of the LGBTQ community.

    Kinda like how no one cared about All Lives Matter until Black Lives Matter became a thing.

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  31. Dorothy said on September 14, 2021 at 8:07 pm

    I must be the only one curious enough to ask what the six doors are for. You mean cabinet doors, right? Or do you have six different ways to enter your bathroom?

    Kate’s haircut is cute and I really liked the helmet visor face shields some of the musicians wore in the video. I’m guessing all of the moms of the musicians made special appearances during the production.

    A student worker in my department tested positive for Covid today. We’re not allowed to ask if they are vaccinated. We all wear masks inside the buildings and I am vaccinated, so I’m not too worried. But I was right next to her yesterday around 3 PM when I had to give her and another student some instructions on a special job assignment. Numbers on campus have been pretty good but I have a feeling that’s about to change. Ohio keeps edging up and up.

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  32. Joe Kobiela said on September 14, 2021 at 9:02 pm

    I’ll miss Norm McDonald’s humor.
    Pilot Joe

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  33. Suzanne said on September 15, 2021 at 7:24 am

    Driving cross country this past week for a family wedding, we still saw a number of Trump flags flying proudly. In rural Ohio, near Van Wert on Highway 30, we saw a lovely farm house, well kept and picturesque, festooned with a large American flag and a very large Red, white, and blue Q in the front picture window.

    The good news, though, is that Newsom has apparently won his recall decisively.

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  34. Deborah said on September 15, 2021 at 9:12 am

    The bad news is Newsom has to run again in 18 months or so. What a colossal waste of money that recall was. How many terms has Newsom won? He seems like an ok governor except knowing that he was previously married to Kimberly Guilfoyle is disconcerting. LA Mary, is he ok as a governor?

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  35. Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on September 15, 2021 at 9:54 am

    Not to pre-empt LAMary, but from Ohio, I’d say Gavin Newsom is akin to Churchill’s observation about democracy — the worst system of government there is, except for all the alternatives.

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  36. Suzanne said on September 15, 2021 at 10:03 am

    If anyone out there thought for a second that Pence had even an ounce of courage…


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  37. LAMary said on September 15, 2021 at 10:29 am

    Newsom did some very unpopular stuff to fend of Covid and other than a horrible spike in cases around the holidays last year we’re doing pretty well. And Deborah, lots of us have had bad ex spouses. Myself included. Mine isn’t as vocal and obnoxious but he was crap as a father and husband. I think Newsom won because his competition was lame. Larry Elder is wannabe trump talk show host and I’m sure he’s going to start today with the “stop the steal” shit. On his website on Monday he posted that Newsom may have won but there is proof of election fraud. This was the day before election day. Newsom has to run again and if we keep watching states like Texas and Florida whom Larry Elder wants to emulate Newsom will probably win again.

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  38. Julie Robinson said on September 15, 2021 at 11:11 am

    Who knew that Dan Potato/Potatoe Quayle would be the savior of our democracy? I sure didn’t see that one coming. And the general who called China to reassure them he wasn’t going to let the Orange King nuke them, now my hero.

    We’ve all been in bad relationships; I was just lucky enough not to marry any of them. Any maybe Guilfoyle didn’t show her true crazy right away.

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  39. Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on September 15, 2021 at 11:16 am

    Sorry, couldn’t resist. An indelible image.


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  40. Mark P said on September 15, 2021 at 12:29 pm

    Brian Kemp, the “governor” of Georgia, says Biden is cruising’ for a bruisin’ if he pushes too hard to save our dumbass lives with vaccination mandates.

    “People are going to revolt. Government is only as good as what people can withstand. And if you try to do more than that, you have an uprising, a mutiny.

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  41. Sherri said on September 15, 2021 at 12:46 pm

    It’s way too easy to get a recall on the ballot in California. Most states require twice as many signatures as California does to recall the governor. That needs to be fixed.

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  42. jcburns said on September 15, 2021 at 2:54 pm

    Brian Kemp is quite the dumbass his own self, Mark.

    Well, just spent three hours dealing with getting the Georgia absentee ballot.

    Short version: Download form. Print out and then fill out form by hand (because they want it that way.) Provide driver’s license number. Sign ‘oath’ at the bottom swearing I am the requestor, using a pen (‘no electronic signatures allowed.’)

    And then? Is there a dropbox for the application? An office you can visit? No, you mail it in, email it in (rescanning the document you printed out), FAX it in (!!) or rescan the document you printed out and upload it using Fulton County’s “portal”, which sends you a form email that says in part: “Thank you for submitting your absentee ballot application. Your application will be processed shortly, and has been included in this email for reference.”

    Included in this email? Of course, there are no attachments. Ah, well, we’ll see. (And all this just to GET a ballot.)

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  43. LAMary said on September 15, 2021 at 7:06 pm

    The other stupid part of the CA recall system is that if the governor gets recalled the person who has the highest percentage of votes among the list of mostly loonies and losers is elected governor. Larry Elder who got the highest number is a talk radio guy, trumpazoid plus. He’s going to be noisy for a while. The next gubernatorial election is next year so I bet he won’t shut up for a while. He is in favor of no minimum wage among other bad ideas.

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  44. Jeff Borden said on September 15, 2021 at 7:36 pm

    I’m running out of words to describe the men and women who would rather put their constituents into mortal medical danger than follow the guidance of a Democratic president offering a FREE way to avoid that medical danger. DeathSantis in Floriduh and Abbutt in Texass are the worst, but all of these right-wingers are death cultists.

    BTW, you might be amused to learn that Mississippi, the absolute dogshit worst state in ‘Murica, has one of the strictest school vaccination policies in the U.S. Not even religious exemptions are allowed to skip vaccines. Yet the moon-faced governor is all in on how this mandate is tyranny on parade and a federal government overreach.

    I’m so tired of this shit.

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  45. LAMary said on September 15, 2021 at 7:52 pm

    I’m tired of it and I don’t get it. If the twice impeached guy had been on board from day one it would be a different situation I think. Instead he stood there smirking when Fauci or Birks delivered the news each day. And when he nearly ended up in the ICU he got care and treatment his fans could never afford, wheezed his way up to a balcony and tore off his mask. He’s a murderer. So are Abbott and DeSantis. Newsom just won largely because voters didn’t want any of the clowns that wanted to follow the lead of those guys. The ease with which they allow people to die for their own political gain is stunning.

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  46. Jeff Borden said on September 15, 2021 at 9:56 pm

    I try to enjoy. . .or at least respect. . .all forms of music, but I’ve always hated the heavy metal/thrash metal/death core crap. Nihilism as religion to a thumping base beat.

    The QOP has gone insane root to branch. They are the political equivalent of death core. No avenue of redemption is possible. The core of the party has gone fascist. . .ready to overturn the will of the people in service of their goals. Honorable Republicans are in very short supply. . .and they’re under constant attack.

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  47. Dexter Friend said on September 15, 2021 at 11:49 pm

    Watching the 3 famous gymnasts testify to Congress about Larry Nassar tied my guts up in knots. Simone said they want justice, but I don’t know what she meant. I assume she meant better screening from officials as to which doctors the Olympic staffs hire. The FBI agents who blew off the complaints by the women, one fired and one retired, may be in for a fight to stay out of prison. Lawyers are lining up now. We’ll see. I did not hear the term ‘financial compensation’ uttered. Nassar is salted away in prison but it wouldn’t hurt to tack another 50 years onto his term of incarceration.

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  48. Julie Robinson said on September 16, 2021 at 9:34 am

    One of the perks of living in Orlando is its proximity to the space coast. So after dinner D and our daughter drove up to watch the liftoff, and came home bursting with excitement. Like so many other boys, he grew up wanting to be an astronaut, and this flight, of civilians, let him renew that dream.

    Another perk is the girlfriend and her love of cooking and baking. She brought over ratatouille and sweet black cherry clafoutis last night, then also brought out a batch of hard rolls she’d made. Our contribution was a meat loaf, requested by my mom. I feel like we’re taking advantage of her, but she and our son insist that cooking and baking are stress relievers for her, and she loves having people to share her goodies with. So we praise her and tell her of our appreciation and enjoy.

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  49. LAMary said on September 16, 2021 at 9:58 am

    One of the cool things that used to happen here in southern California was the space shuttle landing. It would fly over and there was a double sonic boom. On the last flight when the shuttle was on its way to being an exhibit at the California Science Center it flew over the hospital where I was working. It made a turn and passed us twice, mounted on the back of a 747. Amazing. Patients were out on the sun decks in wheelchairs watching and cheering.

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  50. Deborah said on September 16, 2021 at 11:04 am

    When I was a kid we took a trip to Cape Canaveral which was memorable. There wasn’t a launch going on at the time but just the same it was very interesting. I’m sure it’s all completely different now, this would have been around 1962 or so. Even from our place in Miami when there would be a launch or re-entry we could sometimes see the space craft go through the atmosphere. It looked like a hole opening up in the sky and rippling out like a tossed stone ripples water. At least that’s how I remember it. I don’t recall sound associated with it but we would hear sonic booms from time to time, I definitely thought those were a little scary.

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  51. Julie Robinson said on September 16, 2021 at 12:12 pm

    We’ve been to a couple of launches when visiting previously, and I guess the thrill is gone for me. We’ve also been to the visitor center, which so huge, you can spend the whole day there. They have retired astronauts and engineers wandering around, and one time we talked with one for half an hour. It was all way over my head but a good time was had by the rest of the party.

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