Caveat emptor: A commenter informs me she’s not an Apostolic Christian, but a Pentecostal congregation with “apostolic” in its name. She’s probably right, but I bet the same modesty/hair thing applies. These folks are nuts about long hair.
I’d never heard of the Apostolic Christian church before I moved to Indiana. A friend, native to Bluffton in Wells County, filled me in on this sect, which has one foot in Anabaptism (that would be the Amish/Mennonites for those who live far away) and another in Mormonism’s go-go capitalism. They dominate the business community in Bluffton, and over the course of a few visits, I learned to spot the women, with their long hair and modest hemlines, and their almost freakishly clean-cut menfolk. They were cohesive, insular and walked their talk.
Young AC church members don’t date, but socialize in chaperoned youth activities like “singings,” the genders separated to warble with one another from opposite benches, feeds and whatnot. When a young man feels attracted to a potential mate, he prays for discernment and if he gets it, takes the revelation to his parents and elders, who then approach the young woman for her response. (If I’m getting all this wrong, I blame time and memory.) If she’s amenable, they marry with a minimum of fuss and get to the work of building families and businesses, the latter because moms stay home and dads have to support ever-growing broods. They don’t do public assistance like some fundamentalist religious groups do, but they’re clannish in their economic dealings and support of fellow congregants, so they tend to prosper. My friend informed me you could hardly do a Saturday’s errands in Bluffton without supporting an AC business, and what resentment this might have raised among those business owners who had to work harder for customers might be grumbled about, but not much more.
I’ve been gone from Indiana for a while, but when I saw Kim Davis, the Kentucky county clerk refusing to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples, her anachronistic appearance rang all my Hoosier bells. Just the shot in this story shows you what I’m talking about — the hair, the dowdy dresses made dowdier by the long-sleeved undershirts she wears with them, all of it. (A lot of modern Muslim women around here wear those undershirts, too, but in Michigan, where it’s winter half the year, you don’t notice it so much. Davis lives in Kentucky. And it’s summer. I have a few myself. I bought a couple at Costco a few years ago and loved their substantial fabric, their extra length — great with lower-rise jeans — and the elasticity in the fabric hugged my body — ooh, sex-ay. I bought a few more. When they wore out, I looked online to restock. The label said ModBod, which I was surprised to learn is a Mormon company, and the shirts were originally made to be worn as modesty layers, just like Kim Davis’. They’re cut tight to fit under more clothes. Oh, well. They still look great by themselves.)
A lot of people have noted that Davis is on her fourth marriage, so by definition she’s a hypocrite about God’s law vis-a-vis holy matrimony. I won’t argue, but I’d encourage you to spend more time around fundamentalist Christians of all sorts, and you’d swiftly understand what she’s about. She may well have been married three times previous to this one, but now she’s married to an Apostolic Christian, and she’s been forgiven. She is washed in the blood of the lamb, and her eyes are on the heavenly escalator that will one day carry her up to Heaven. Evangelicals, in my experience, don’t spend a lot of time brooding on their past mistakes. We all sin, we’re all fallen, the world is broken, but they’re moving forward. Moral complexity, reconciling past with present, reconsidering one’s point of view — they leave that to us New Yorker subscribers. Nothing about this woman should be unfamiliar to anyone who’s been to a church-basement potluck in the American midwest. Or read a Josh Duggar confessional lately.
We’ll see how this case works out. But now you have a cultural reference to her hair, anyway.
Not much bloggage today as I keep up with work and prepare for Kate’s departure. A couple of tidbits, though:
At 180 degrees from Kim Davis, a hilarious take on sugar dating, i.e. prostitution by any other name:
SeekingArrangement is just one of several sugar-dating sites, but a popular one. On all these websites, the splash page features a beautiful young woman, elegant but with sideboob, and either she’s overtly dangling a piece of jewelry or she is wearing it. She looks into the camera. Each time, a man, older, nearing silver status, is looking right at her, unable to take his rich, priapic eyes off her. He has the beginnings of male-pattern baldness: baldness that says, “I’ve lived, I have money, here is a bracelet.” He is about to lean into her neck, maybe take a big old bite out of it, and she hangs back, only for a moment, only to tell us her secret, which is: “Look, I got a bracelet.”
Everyone on SeekingArrangement knows what they’re there for, Thurston says. What is so bad about formalizing the arrangement so that we can all just go home happy? And aside from that unpleasantness with that woman who scammed him, all Thurston had to wrestle with, really, was the nagging guilt that maybe this whole sugar-dating thing isn’t so okay, particularly since he began before his divorce was even finalized. “I went to church every Sunday. This felt like an ethical dilemma.” But he reminded himself that he was actually helping someone, a poor student, or someone who badly needed the money for, I don’t know, medical bills or back taxes or vaping supplies. And that’s what it came down to: “The whole concept of a sugar daddy intrigued me, because even if I were dating someone traditionally, I’d give them money anyway.”
What becomes of a graffiti vandal sentenced to grow up? He does, and he doesn’t. Not too long; recommended.
And this profile of Larry King from last week’s NYT magazine is hilarious.
Time to start grinding.
Jolene said on September 2, 2015 at 12:44 am
Reposting here my link from the bottom of the previous thread, which contains Dan Savage’s commentary on Kim Davis’s marital history.
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Dexter said on September 2, 2015 at 1:19 am
Off topic, regarding the Fox Lake cop-killers. My brother lives about four miles from the Fox lake murder site. About all that separates his house from there is a forest preserve. We contacted them and they are locked down and locked in, as everybody should be for a few days or until the authorities catch the bastards. My brother and his wife are sort of like the soldier writing home telling the folks how everything is peachy keen and he’s safe, as a battle looms. In other words, if they are scared, they’d never say.
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Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on September 2, 2015 at 7:18 am
“I went to church every Sunday. This felt like an ethical dilemma.”
That is not a syllogism.
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brian stouder said on September 2, 2015 at 9:29 am
The Larry King thing was indeed good stuff.
Semi-unrelated, but there was a montage on one of the news channels last night (either cnn or msnbc) where they highlighted how very often DT uses the word “catastrophe”; it was yooogely entertaining!
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coozledad said on September 2, 2015 at 9:40 am
The White House has floated a compromise over the naming of Denali. Obama has suggested that in honor of the Palin Clan another mountain will be named Mount M’ Kin.
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Wim said on September 2, 2015 at 9:44 am
Your experience of evangelicals is clearly that of an outsider. No, they don’t spend a lot of time brooding on their past mistakes: they spend an inordinate amount of time bearing witness to their past mistakes in the sort of lurid throbbing detail you usually only find in a country and western classic. One suspects the sin of pride.
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Ann said on September 2, 2015 at 10:04 am
I posted your column in reply to a friend’s FB piece about Davis’ religious views. He says you’re wrong.
” I think the above columnist is a little bit confused, but, of course, the media are often confused and confusing.
If my interpretation is correct, Ms. Davis attends Morehead First Apostolic Church (Rowan Co, KY) which is NOT a congregation of the Apostolic Christian Church of America; it’s part of United Pentecostal Church International and happens to have the word “Apostolic” in its name.
There is no Apostolic Christian Church in Rowan Co, KY.
There have been several reports calling Ms. Davis an “Apostolic Christian;” I suspect she probably told a reporter that she attends “Apostolic” and people got confused.
And so, I suspect, all of these columns that talk about the Apostolic interpretation of marriage are missing the boat. In particular, the UPCI does, in fact, allow divorce and remarriage for the “innocent party,” whatever that means, and so Ms. Davis might actually not be hypocritical in the eyes of her faith, at least on this point.”
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nancy said on September 2, 2015 at 10:09 am
Thanks, Ann! Trust an assembly of journalists to get a fairly simple fact wrong.
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Deborah said on September 2, 2015 at 10:05 am
OK, let me see if I got this straight:
While married to husband #1 she sleeps with a guy who will later become husband #3 and gets pregnant by him. Then she gets divorced from husband #1 and marries husband #2 who adopts the twins she has shortly thereafter. Then she divorces #2 and marries #3 the real father of her kids. Then she divorces #3 and marries #4, who is actually the same man as #2. Or something like that. Whew.
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brian stouder said on September 2, 2015 at 10:11 am
Cooz – I shall have used that marvelous Palin pun at least several times before the sun sets, today!
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Jeff Borden said on September 2, 2015 at 10:14 am
I always thought Catholicism has the market cornered on the car wash for the soul, but confession was usually accompanied by a nice helping of guilt and, of course, penance, though you could always shop around for the priest who gave the shortest penance. These Kim Davis types have it even better. They clearly feel no guilt and can convince themselves they’ve been forgiven with a few prayers. They call it faith. I guess I’d call it narcissism, since it seems awfully presumptuous to assume you know what the big guy is thinking.
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Pam (the sister) said on September 2, 2015 at 10:22 am
They interviewed someone on the news this morning who knows Kim Davis and is from the same town. He said that she had a “past” and has now repented and doesn’t want to screw anything up with the promised heavenly reward by doing her job. Why don’t they just fire her and move on with it? If she wants to sue, let her. But in the meantime, the marriage licenses will be issued.
Regarding the Denali kerfuffle, there is a politician (R) in Dayton who claimed on TV that Everyone in Dayton is furious over the renaming of Mt. McKinley. Absolutely Everyone. So I decided to take the WBNS TV survey of the issue and learned that over 60% of Ohioans are in favor of the renaming to honor the culture of the local people, while about 30% are opposed, and the other 10% either don’t give a dam or haven’t ever heard of it.
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Bob (not Greene) said on September 2, 2015 at 10:26 am
What always strikes me about people like this Kim Davis woman is that they seem to have the self-awareness of a 10 year old. Their thinking and the things they say are so juvenile you wonder how they can figure out how to get through the day without getting hit by a car.
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Judybusy said on September 2, 2015 at 10:48 am
And how for people like Kim Davis, the love and support of God are just for them, and they can’t extend the same understanding and acceptance to others. Oh, wait, cuz we haven’t done the song and dance of please forgive me. That to me, is true hypocrisy. I’m pretty sure I remember that line from Sunday school: Love one another.
Meanwhile, here in downtown Minneapolis, there were tons of cops with a couple canine units and homeland security. Because I’m a white, professionally dressed woman, I approached one of the cops to ask if there were anything we should be concerned about. Of course, he didn’t tell me anything, just “We’re just have extra security today. We’ll be getting on the lightrail soon.” I did get to pet his dog, a black Lab.
Is anyone following the European refugee crisis story? It’s awful; there are hundreds of refugees camping outside the Budepest train station, because Hungary won’t let them get on the trains to go to countries in western Europe.
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Deborah said on September 2, 2015 at 10:52 am
Jolene, is it true that since Mikulski has announced support of the Iran deal, Obama has the numbers he needs?
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susan said on September 2, 2015 at 11:17 am
I think Ms Kimmy needs to get herself to a bunker right quick, before it’s too late.
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Jolene said on September 2, 2015 at 11:23 am
Yes, Deborah. Mikulski’s vote will seal the deal. Great news, by the way. I’m hearing it from you first. Is going to be very interesting, in the years ahead, to see how this deal affects our relationship with Iran and how/whether it changes the politics of the Middle East. I believe it has the potential to be a catalyst for many positive changes and am eager to see how it plays out. In the meantime: Thanks, Obama.
Pam, no one can fire Kim Davis because she is an elected official. She can only be removed from office through impeachment.
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coozledad said on September 2, 2015 at 11:40 am
This has the potential of further diluting the political power of Iranian hardliners. Isolating Iran has done nothing but entrench them. The Republicans are as horrible at foreign policy as they are bad with money, and in this case, they were egging on another pointless, catastrophic war.
I hope this gives Tom Cotton bloody stools for a month.
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Jolene said on September 2, 2015 at 11:57 am
Judybusy, I’ve been following the news of the (mostly) Syrian refugees too. It is, indeed, an awful situation, and what’s happening in Europe is only a part of it. Turkey, Jordan, and Lebanon have all taken in hundreds of thousands of refugees, most of whom have no means of support. In Lebanon, one out of every four residents is a refugee. And thousands of people have drowned in the Mediterranean trying to make their way from Libya to Italy. Now is a good time to send money to the World Food Program or other relief agencies. And kudos to Angela Merkel for emphasizing a humane approach to a very, very difficult situation.
Syria was a fairly advanced country with normal commercial, medical, and educational institutions. Now, much of it is a pile of rubble. I really wonder what is going to happen next.
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brian stouder said on September 2, 2015 at 12:04 pm
The term “willful ignorance” again comes up.
A person has to be willfully ignorant not to see that “VOID THE DEAL!! KEEP THE SANCTIONS!!” is a sure-loser, as other major nations drop the sanctions anyway.
In their scenario, Iran still emerges from the sanctions and moves forward, and we have no deal; whereas now we DO get a deal, and with inspections included – and we have the sanction tool still at the ready, if need be
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Julie Robinson said on September 2, 2015 at 12:06 pm
Watching videos of the Kim Davis standoff all I could think about was the poor workers in that office. How’d you like to do your job surrounded by the chaos of TV cameras and lights, shutters clicking away, people yelling. Yeesh.
As I understand it, she’s feels personally responsible for the morals of everyone she to whom she issues marriage licenses. So she’s positive that no one is going to be an abusive spouse, or marry for a green card, or have an affair. What a heavy load to carry.
I do understand why’s she fighting for her job, though. $80,000/year goes a long way in that neck of the woods.
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brian stouder said on September 2, 2015 at 12:23 pm
The scene at that courthouse has the unmistakeable oder of lunch-counters and arrests and dogs and firehoses.
If we are a nation of laws, then certainly this cannot stand.
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Icarus said on September 2, 2015 at 12:48 pm
@Pam (the sister) Apparently she is an elected official so they cannot fire her per se. The choices so far are: wait until next election, costly emergency election or arrest her.
I’ll look for a link to that later, gotta run to the foot doctor’s office*
*if I didn’t know what “syllogism” meant off the top of my head, I certainly cannot spell Podiatrist
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beb said on September 2, 2015 at 1:00 pm
So tomorrow Kim Davis has to answer to a higher authority … the courts. It seems obvious that she is in contempt of court but it will be interesting to see what the courts will actually do to her. They could send her to prison, fine her money or both. If they set her in prison she will have won because she still will not be issuing marriage licenses. I favor fining her — personally — $500 for each day she continues to refuse to issue licenses. That would be more than she’s paid per day thus continued recalcitrance will quickly bankrupt her.
It’s curious that there seems to be no talk of impeaching her.
Apostolic / Pentecostal … whatev. The nice thing about atheism is that there’s no doctrine splitting when it comes to denying invisible voices.
I, too, have been following the news in Europe. They’re having both a migrant issue (boatloads from Lybia) and a refugee problem from Syrian. The Lybian problem is comparable to our Mexican problem. The refugee issue is a bit unique though comparable to the influx of children from Nicaragua. There’s just so many people moving and none of the countries they’re going to have the resources to absorb them.
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Deborah said on September 2, 2015 at 1:57 pm
Something is wrong with my laptop. It won’t take a charge, it might be my cord. I tried to set up an appointment online for the Apple Store a few blocks from me, but my iPhone wouldn’t let me so I had to walk over there and set it up in person. Now I have to wait a couple of hours. I was going to do laundry but now I can’t until this is over. Thank goodness it didn’t happen before now because I needed my computer for all of the playground design stuff I was doing and following through on. That would have been a big problem. I realized I had this problem when one of the installers called and I had to check a location from my plans. I only had 3% of a charge left and while I was talking to him my laptop went dark. Also living a few blocks from the Apple Store is a great convenience.
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Brandon said on September 2, 2015 at 2:07 pm
Wim said on September 2, 2015 at 9:44 am
Your experience of evangelicals is clearly that of an outsider. No, they don’t spend a lot of time brooding on their past mistakes: they spend an inordinate amount of time bearing witness to their past mistakes in the sort of lurid throbbing detail you usually only find in a country and western classic. One suspects the sin of pride.
That hasn’t been my experience. It depends on the people.
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Bitter Scribe said on September 2, 2015 at 3:24 pm
I used to live near a Christian fundamentalist/evangelical/whatever school whose teachers would often take the kids to the playground across from my place. The teachers were young women who wore long sleeves and ankle-length skirts on the hottest days.
I can maybe see a religion telling people (and by “people” I mean almost invariably young women) what not to wear, although that doesn’t exactly strike me as healthy. But when they start telling them what to wear, watch out.
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brian stouder said on September 2, 2015 at 4:02 pm
Nothing to see here, folks, move along now!
http://wane.com/2015/09/02/fbi-investigating-along-the-maumuee/
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Deborah said on September 2, 2015 at 4:05 pm
I see Muslim women in Chicago in the hot humid summer covered up from head to toe in black. I don’t know how they can stand it. Maybe the fabrics are breathable? I’m waiting at the Apple Store. I hope this is over soon.
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Sherri said on September 2, 2015 at 4:07 pm
There are many different variants/gradations/varieties of evangelical/fundamentalist/Pentecostal Christian, and those terms aren’t interchangeable, i.e. not all evangelicals are fundamentalists, not all fundamentalists are Pentecostals, etc. One characteristic often shared, and a reason there are so many variants, is an unshakable belief that they, and they alone, know the One True Way, and every other denomination is flawed in varying degrees, some to the point that they shouldn’t even be considered Christian. Where that line is was also a matter of much debate in the Southern Baptist church I grew up in. (Back then, Catholics and Mormons were considered at best suspect, probably not Christian.)
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Bitter Scribe said on September 2, 2015 at 5:16 pm
Deborah @28: There was a teacher in West Bumblefuck, Texas, who got into trouble for having her students try on Muslim gear as part of her social studies class. She wanted to make her kids understand what life was like for Muslims, and part of the lesson was that the fabrics for women are definitely not breathable. (For men, yes.)
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Jolene said on September 2, 2015 at 5:17 pm
That’s a bizarre story, Brian. Now I’m curious about what they’ve doing, and I didn’t even know that river existed.
By the way, I came across a story that is up your alley. It’s about a Philadelphia-area school that is broke, in part because its resources have been depleted by kids taking with them to charter schools. And the links at the end of the story explain whose pockets that money went into and which politicians they paid to set up the system that is now destroying the school.
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Brandon said on September 2, 2015 at 5:31 pm
What Bitter Scribe is referring to:
http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/state-investigation-launched-after-students-dress-in-burqas.html
Lumberton is in East Texas.
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brian stouder said on September 2, 2015 at 5:53 pm
Jolene, I can become quite worked up about what the charlatans and frauds have been doing to our public school systems. In fact, although there are many affirmative reasons why I will vote for Sec Clinton or VP Biden (or even Sen Sanders), one reason I would never even consider casting a vote for Jeb! is the hurricane-level destruction he and his henchmen (see Tony Bennett….one step ahead of the law!)
Short version: if a school or a school district is having trouble, the solution is NOT to shutter and destroy the schools (while shoveling the public funding they have to hedge-fund managers and other unaccountable, fly-by-night, vulture capitalists)
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basset said on September 2, 2015 at 8:33 pm
Meanwhile, just to be different, something that doesn’t involve fraud, anger, frustration, hatefulness, or anyone with the absolute, incontrovertible right answer for how the rest of the world should run their lives.. may I present the former property of a “noted Indiana architect” from right there in the Fort:
http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-mercedes-benz-250-sl-roadster/
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Wim said on September 2, 2015 at 9:17 pm
There’s also the matter of context, Brandon.
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BethB said on September 2, 2015 at 9:22 pm
Basset, I want that car. Can’t afford it, don’t need it, couldn’t drive it if I had it, but I’d love to own it. Oh, to be thirty years younger, even twenty, even ten; well, maybe not ten.
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Brandon said on September 2, 2015 at 9:22 pm
I think so. I’ve only heard a few people go into great details about their sins, though.
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alex said on September 2, 2015 at 9:26 pm
Yay! I know that car and am acquainted with both the first and second owners, although I confess I had no idea the second owner still had it until this year. Wow.
Orus Eash, the architect, had one helluva cool house too, an international-style glass box with strategically placed screening fences. It sat on a wooded lot in an otherwise unremarkable suburban neighborhood where most of the housing was pretty generic. He also designed a house that was across the road from his house which everyone referred to as “the movie theater” because it had no windows facing the street, only a solitary double door, and a driveway resembling a strip mall parking lot. But it was quite an architectural statement in its day.
The second owner of the car lived in a mini-replica of George Washington’s Mount Vernon house.
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coozledad said on September 2, 2015 at 9:34 pm
http://www.tehrantimes.com/index_View.asp?code=249137
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Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on September 2, 2015 at 10:01 pm
Just as a courtesy for those who are missing the allusion in Nancy’s post title, from I Cor 11:15, part of one of the most baffling, debated, controversial passages in the New Testament:
I Corinthians 11:2-15
Now I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I delivered them to you. But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a wife is her husband, and the head of Christ is God. Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head, but every wife who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head, since it is the same as if her head were shaven. For if a wife will not cover her head, then she should cut her hair short. But since it is disgraceful for a wife to cut off her hair or shave her head, let her cover her head. For a man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God, but woman is the glory of man. For man was not made from woman, but woman from man. Neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. That is why a wife ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels. Nevertheless, in the Lord woman is not independent of man nor man of woman; for as woman was made from man, so man is now born of woman. And all things are from God. Judge for yourselves: is it proper for a wife to pray to God with her head uncovered? Does not nature itself teach you that if a man wears long hair it is a disgrace for him, but if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For her hair is given to her for a covering.
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Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on September 2, 2015 at 10:04 pm
“Because of the angels” is just a stumper. One of the proposed interpretations is that there are still “fallen angels” flitting about who are tempted to interfere with human women, but long hair is somehow a screen and a barrier as running water is in many traditions for evil spirits. Either way, it’s just out on the fringes of where the Bible even can speak to us coherently today . . . unless you’re part of a literalist tradition, where you square the circle by just saying “it says women gotta have long hair, men short hair, so go do it, or get shunned. Next!”
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alex said on September 2, 2015 at 10:30 pm
Street view of said glass house. Rotate and you can see the movie theater house:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/7515+Oak+Lane+Fort+Wayne,+IN+46804/@41.0553057,-85.2395096,3a,75y,208.91h,77.29t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sndGBCqqXpImAqAwgZ5QRxw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0xf46e318e822b9bb!6m1!1e1
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Jolene said on September 2, 2015 at 10:42 pm
Interesting link, cooz. I had no idea there was such a thing as the Tehran Times.
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Brandon said on September 2, 2015 at 10:49 pm
The moment of Mikulski announcing his support for the deal …
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Bob said on September 2, 2015 at 11:39 pm
Nothing about the Rebel Clerk said AC to me, though I hadn’t read enough about her to see “Apostolic” in the denomination ID. She’s too show-offy and too stuck on herself. And ACs aren’t the civil-disobedience type. Confronted with the Vietnam War, they worked as orderlies in Army hospitals instead of burning draft cards. From what I know of how they deal with government, an Anabaptist Apostolic clerk would probably cope with same-sex marriage licenses by delegating it to someone in the office without moral or religious objections. Failing that, he/she might quit instead of writing the licenses.
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MarkH said on September 3, 2015 at 5:57 am
Bob @45 — I think you have hit in something. This is about one woman and her warped mind/ego/whatever and she has not the slightest grasp of whatever she claims is her religious grounds for refusing to perform her duties. Jolene was correct earlier here, Davis is an elected official and cannot be ‘fired’, only removed from office by impeachment by the proper governing authority. Depending on Kentucky’s constitution, that could be a county commission, or a state legislative body. (It happened in our county here in Wyoming about 20 years ago with a county treasurer who was beyond her shelf life. The county commission commenced removal action for nonperformance as per law, but she resigned instead.)
That aside, Davis goes to court this morning where she will be sanctioned for not performing her duties, likely fined, perhaps jailed for contempt of court. But that’ll be it for now. Beb wonders why there is no talk of impeachment. You gotta remember where this is. Regardless of Davis’ selfish misdirection, her inaction does speak for much of the bible belt. It won’t happen quickly.
Going a little further, for those of you commenting here on this issue, how much of this is about religion in general, or just certain religions in particular interfering with a public official’s duties. If this took place, say in Michigan, or Minnesota, and Ms. Davis was of Islam, invoked the Koran, which takes shall we say a decidedly more lethal view of homosexuality, what direction might the discussion take?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_in_Islam
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Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on September 3, 2015 at 7:26 am
I had no idea how many different and differing religious groups had “Apostolic” in their names until recently: http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2015/09/01/sister-wives-clan-uses-u-s-same-sex-marriage-ruling-in-polygamy-case/
Love the Corian countertop.
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Deborah said on September 3, 2015 at 8:52 am
The problem with plural marriages is that they’re usually one man, many wives. I’ve not heard of it the other way around. See how the men would like it then. And besides having the $$$ from a reality TV show. How do they support all of those children and wives with only one person working?
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Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on September 3, 2015 at 9:57 am
You don’t have to end up in line more than once at the Albertson’s in Hurricane, UT behind a series of plural wife grocery carts, to answer Deborah’s question. Senior (legal) wife is paying in cash, next four or five long-skirted, head-scarved women each with toddlers in the cart seat and little ones holding onto the side, are all EBT cards. Because under the law, they’re single mothers, you see.
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brian stouder said on September 3, 2015 at 10:11 am
Jeff, a fascinating point.
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brian stouder said on September 3, 2015 at 10:15 am
(thinking of all the racist crackers hereabouts – who are currently if full-squawk mode, as the Reverand Al Sharpton is about to visit Fort Wayne)
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