Guess who showed up at a local soldier’s funeral Saturday?
basset said on January 5, 2008 at 1:16 pm
Those people are crazy and don’t deserve the attention.
Meanwhile… PLEASE lose the scroll at the beginning… use still frames and dissolve between them, it’s a lot easier to read…
Carmella said on January 5, 2008 at 4:27 pm
I agree, those people are horrid. However, for me, the video was A-OK. Everything was easy cheesy to read.
Andrea said on January 5, 2008 at 6:38 pm
That is just complete disrespect, to the family by being there at all; and to our country (which ensures their freedom of speech) by their use of the American flag as clothing.
michaelj said on January 5, 2008 at 6:41 pm
So there is an American Taliban. Are these people wackjobs capable of suicide bombings. Yeah probably, and dis they hide the murderer Rudolph in the NC badlands for years. Yep.
My ex-wife and I went through the horrible experience of an abortion, back when we were too young to assume the responsibility of raising a child. If you asked either of us now, since we have a perfect child, we’d both have the baby. At least I knew she’d be treated well and the procedure would be aseptic. Holier than thou assholes ought to shut the hell up.
They condone shooting doctors with rapid-repeaters and scopes. They insist celibacy advice convinces kids not to have sex. Anybody with a sort-of intact cerebral cortex knows this is just made up shit.
Are these assholes nuts? Kids will have sex because its normal, and a biological imperative. And, it’s fun. And some Bush hag told them it would make their palms gtow hair.
Where do they come from? Bosnia? Al Quaeda in Iraq, as if that’s an actual terriss group instead of Iraquis opposed to shock and awe, and the occupation.? That would be W’s conservativism. These people are terriss a whole lot more threatening than the retard Jose Padilla.
nancy said on January 5, 2008 at 7:13 pm
They’re beyond horrid, and I debated whether to post this at all. But finally I was convinced by the high spirits they showed, chuckling through their songbook ‘n’ all. I’m also intrigued by something Alex has told me several times — that no one paid all that much attention to Phelps & Co. when they were disrupting gay people’s funerals, but when they moved on to soldiers, entire state legislatures swung into action.
They were kept behind a decent perimeter, but I’m sure some of the guests saw them. How this guy got three people to pay attention to him, let alone 70 or so, defies belief.
And Basset, thanks for the advice. I’m still learning.
ashley said on January 5, 2008 at 7:23 pm
85% of them support Huckabee, I would venture. Maybe Mitthew.
There’s free speech, but not there, not then.
When the revolution comes, I want these guys lined up on their knees, and I’ll play the part of Che. And the fact that they pretend to be Christians is deplorable.
michaelj said on January 5, 2008 at 7:49 pm
Whatever happened to Hells Angels showing up to shut these shickenshit mofos mouths/
michaelj said on January 5, 2008 at 8:25 pm
These are the same jackasses that bought into the Short Boat calumny. Where, to this day, is John Edwards?
Any doubt Kerry’s boat was in Laos, or Cambodia, or both is pretty much hilarious. We know for a fact that W was well in to his coke-inducd defense of the O Club at that time. These are pretty much facts in had. W avoided the flight surgeon, Kerry pulled guys out of dange while taking wounds himself. This didn’t happen? These decorated heros are lying? It must be nice to be a chickenhawk.
I didn’t go to Vietnam. I was 18 in the lottery in 1970. At the time, I was IA. Then I went to college. 4H. Then, my dad told me they’d never reach my number. My second number was 86. Its complicated but I’m out of it. I’m not scared.
What’s revolting is that anybody brings this shit up. Trying to make something out of nothing,
michaelj said on January 5, 2008 at 8:48 pm
Nancy, that’s almost, close as anybody’ss gonna get, to another Bronte sister. Shit, I saw Heathcliff walking the moors. I’m not joking.
michaelj said on January 5, 2008 at 9:05 pm
Nancy. No joke. I thought it was excellent. You know the Merle Oberon and Sir Whatsis version that’s supposed to be definitive? How does Hollywood decide there’s a happy ending to this story? There obviously isn’t. And once again I’ve managed to be a jerk to a really nice girl. Story of my sorry life.
basset said on January 6, 2008 at 12:35 am
michaelj… either you’re ingesting Thompsonian amounts of some ultimately toxic substance or we’re not even on the same planet. not that it’s necessarily a bad thing, just noting that in passing.
Nance, it’s actually a pretty good piece… no falling-sheep wipes, gotta give you credit for that . you know how to get out of the way and let people tell their own story, all too many in the tv business never do catch on to that.
brian stouder said on January 6, 2008 at 10:58 am
michaelj said So there is an American Taliban. Are these people wackjobs capable of suicide bombings. Yeah probably
and I agree. I was struck by the ‘high spirits’ and laughter that Nance noted above, on the one hand, and the rage the one woman seemed to be restraining, as she angrily recounted how people react when she tells them to “obey God”, and they not only don’t accept that she speaks for God – they actually want to beat her up!
She’s only an intellectual step or two away from the sort or perverted ‘religious’ justification that would not only accept violently attacking these heretics, but even requiring such attacks… their own American concept of takfir, which is the radical Islamic free pass to heaven for righteous violence against….whoever gets in the way
Danny said on January 6, 2008 at 4:20 pm
Nancy and you other writerly types, an invitation to break free of the tyranny of Word.
michaelj said on January 6, 2008 at 4:45 pm
Uh, what were y’all doing this morning when you rooted out the multefareous garbage from your newspapers and really woke up, when you saw that Parade magazine had a live interview with Benazir Bhutto? More lives than a cat or Generalissimo Franco? Sadly, I believe she’s still, and quite, dead. I’d say this was a day nose-trick with Maxwell’s House was in order.
Sometime back when Nancy was talking about superbly absurd typos, I shared the ‘Pubic auction” (amended in later edition to announce ‘Pubic action”), and the truly immortal Athens Banner Herald WWIII headline about the first non”Catholic Pope. I really wish they had a photo-op picture of her with W, because he’s lunch too.
On the side of Syrianness, I mean seriousness, this woman seemed to embody a love of country and intellect Pakistan and the world were in dire need of. The idea of personal corruption that’s connected to her, and to her family, like rosy-fingered is connected with dawn, is pretty much a manufacture of the bastards that strung up her dad to take power and dthe omnipresent American World Dirty Tricks apparat.
Her transgressions, if they existed, were in the range of less than $10mil. In other words, what it cost for one of AQ Khan’s government-built bidets. If the USA insists on setting up tinhorns like Musharraf, shit will definitely flow downhill. Raygunism at its finest, unintended consequences included, because these people wer nitwits, blind ideologues or maneuvering for cash. The same people that produced the Taliban brought us the Nuclear Bazaar, and God knows who’s been shopping there.
Anyway. How could Parade publish this? They didn’t know about the banana peel left by a security guard that caused her to fracture her skull on the sunroof knob? They had since 12/27/07 to amend this. I mean, obviously this isn’t actual journalism, but is Walter Scott running things? She was killed two weeks ago. Even Dana Perino knows that, and she only knows what she’s been told. W probably got in today’s Presidential Daily Brief and sent a sympathy note to Beavis. There’s what’s perfectly strange, and then there’s what’s just inexplicable.
michaelj said on January 6, 2008 at 7:03 pm
These fools actually cited a Pakistani election, day after tomorrow. This is FUBAR beyond the capability of… well, Little Miss Runamok, Alberto Gonzalez, or Harriet Miers could pull this off. Heckuva Brownie, for sure. And a majority of Americans still believe the WTC bombers were Iraqis carrying out a plan masterminded by Saddam.
For a long time, I’ve believed the Florida Election Board and the Supreme Court had put Americans in Bizarro World. Now they’ll believe Benazir Bhutto isn’t dead. It’s a lonely nation because the real Martian wouldn’t be caught dead here, much less please stand up. Parade would say, the real Martian, she’s still alive.
nancy said on January 6, 2008 at 7:08 pm
What happened to Parade is every editor’s nightmare. When Columbus still had a roto magazine, it printed three weeks ahead of its release date. That pretty much guarantees the book will be heavy on features and light on breaking news.
The decent thing would have been to shitcan the whole run, but that would have cost a fortune. And so.
michaelj said on January 6, 2008 at 7:51 pm
Nancy, you’re being gracious. This was positively inexcusable. I know what it would have cost, and when this turns into some hand-wringing about seemliness I will vomit. She wasn’t light or breaking news. She was the face of a world neocons don’t want to face up to.
I understand the economics. So do they. They had to have a backup. They sure as hell didn’t print this before she died. NFW. Whatever history says, Musharraf killed her and he did it for whatever AQKhan passes his way. That’s what I think. Maybe I’m wrong. I’m pretty sure I’m not.
Shipping this when the only guy in the world, who’s a catspaw for AQ Khan, that wanted her murdered, that’s Bushian.
michaelj said on January 6, 2008 at 8:45 pm
It’s not rotogravure, it’s digital. They could have inserted more photos of little blonde kids petting lions. The press run these days takes about an hour and a half.
They could have inserted some acknowledgment the woman is assassinated. The more this story gets jerked around, the more it sounds like Michael Palin insisting the parrot is dead and John Cleese telling him it isn’t. But when you’re talking about sitting on nukes, maybe it’s not so funny. (Which was probably Terry Gilliam’s point in the first place.)
Aside from anything else, everybody involved swore there was nothing racial about the pursuit like a rabid dog of Barry Bonds (including reproters never prosecuted that leaked sequestered Grand Jury testimony) , but Roger Clemens, the Roid-Rage poster-child gets his day in court with 60 Minutes. Steroids can make you able to pitch when you’re hurt. Steroids never added an inch to a homerun. These are medical facts. So for the Michelin man white pitcher rthe jury’s out and for the black guy that looks just like Magic at the same age, he cheateId. I guess it was Barry that threw the splintered bat at Mike Piazza after almost killing him with a 97mph fastball about a week earlier.
It’s your country. It doesn’t exactly suck, but it sure as shit is not what anybody expected. if they actually read the Constitution.
I’ll explain,, if you like.
brian stouder said on January 6, 2008 at 10:10 pm
Michaelj, I may not subscribe to your point of view on most other things, but I am absolutely and 100% with you regarding Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, and the color of truth.
Jeff said on January 6, 2008 at 10:13 pm
Speaking from the evangelical Christian corner of the comment box, i know a number of people who have tried to find out who Fred and his folk are, from conservative Baptists who wanted to figure out how to get his label revoked (short answer: you can’t, even if he isn’t) to liberal Protestant ecumenical bodies who wanted to keep him out of their areas. And a few feature reporters who thought a Phelps expose would be a good career move, but who later found tracking the billable hours at KBR to be easier and more comprehendable.
As is so often the case, Wikipedia is as good as it gets, per my knowledge of efforts to unravel the paper trail from Topeka by parties noted above.
The bottom line is that there’s Fred, his wife, the nine kids he still speaks to (no one is quite certain how many they had, but more than nine), their families, and other in-laws to the tally of 70 to 90 Westboro “members,” or perhaps “stockholders” in the touring company is a better term. There’s one couple and one or two others who are on board the Phelps train, but otherwise they’re all family.
Like the Gennaro family, but in their own way, scarier. I regret to confirm that Alex’s point is spot on: they’ve been loathesome slime for years at funerals of people they liked to mock, including theater people’s funerals because, well, you know . . . but until they went after military funerals, there was next to no police/security response from civic bodies.
Once they saw the TV cameras following the flag-draped coffins, the light bulb went on and the new act was rolled out, and suddenly we needed federal legislation. Hmmmmm.
I hope it is fair for someone like me to point out that Fred Phelps represents almost nothing recognizably Baptist (i’m not one, but still), let alone Christian. I’m not for Huckabee, but he doesn’t deserve comparison to this human excretion.
Add in the fact that he “doesn’t believe in” letting members marry outside of the church, which is almost entirely made up of his grandchildren and greatnieces/nephews, and you have something Sinclair Lewis couldn’t have dreamed up on a bender.
Jeff said on January 6, 2008 at 11:12 pm
Apparently, clicking over to the Fred Phelps wiki-entry, he has thirteen kids, of whom four have some semblance of rationality and perspective. But i thought this was interesting:
In 2003, before the fall of Saddam Hussein during the Iraq War, Phelps wrote Hussein a letter praising his regime for being, in his opinion, “the only Muslim state that allows the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ to be freely and openly preached on the streets.” Furthermore, he stated that he would like to send a delegation to Baghdad to “preach the Gospel” for one week. Hussein granted permission, and a group of WBC congregants traveled to Iraq to protest against the U.S. The WBC members stood on the streets of Baghdad holding signs condemning Bill and Hillary Clinton and anal sex. After Saddam was hanged, Phelps released a video commentary that stated that both Saddam Hussein and Gerald Ford (who had died the same week) were now in Hell.
michaelj said on January 7, 2008 at 12:16 am
All I ever meant to say in the first place is that these Fred Phelps people are trashing funerals, figuratively walking on gravestones. Down south, that amounts to fightin’ words.
I do admit I figure what they do is the next thing to condoning or paying for swiftboating, and I think if they find a voting booth they’re voting for W or Huckabee. Once you disrespect gravesites there’s no going back.
Saddam: seriously long purgatory where he has to be towell-clad with Ron Raygun. Gerry Ford? Holy shit, he pardoned the spawnof Satan to be President. Well no hedidn’t actually The current sad excuse putsNixon to shame. Nixon never thought of signing orders.
Actually, these chickenhawk assholes never gave a shit for the Constitution, American Government, or a single US citizen. If nobody’s watching, they probably intend taking over. They do have it all in place.
Or they’re actually even too stupid for that. But they did pull the short boat thing. And Americans were that guttdom stupid.
basset said on January 7, 2008 at 1:00 am
Michaelj, repeat after me…
alex said on January 7, 2008 at 7:56 am
It was three years ago that I was being courted by the News-Sentinel for a job — until they discovered an entry in my blog in which I had taken the paper to task for writing a damn-near fawning article about Phelps & Co. This was before Phelps had been declared Public Enemy Number One for antagonizing the families of fallen soldiers. Kevin Kilbane, now features editor, made Phelps out to be a benign little old preacher with some very strong biblical objections to homosexuality. End of story.
And Adolf Hitler was a German statesman, end of story.
The Journal-Gazette, as we’ve come to expect around here, didn’t drop the ball. In turn, Phelps & Co. picketed in front of the newspaper office where both the J-G and the N-S are published. As the N-S reported subsequently, Phelps was there to protest the J-G’s lies and to praise the N-S for being so fair and balanced.
While in town, Phelps also demonstrated in front of the Presbyterian and other churches, calling them “sodomite whorehouses” and “fag enablers,” but only the J-G reported these epithets verbatim while the N-S skated around these as well as godhatesfags.com. I pointed these facts out when I was called on my blog entry, only to be told that I had scooped the paper on what it hadn’t yet published.
The only thing more gratifying than landing a much better job was seeing the N-S having to eat crow just a few short months later when Phelps started agitating at military funerals.
nancy said on January 7, 2008 at 9:23 am
Kevin is a very nice person, the archetype for the expression “wouldn’t say ‘shit’ if he had a mouthful of it,” and I wonder if that isn’t why his Phelps coverage was so namby-pamby — he takes people at their word, to a fault. (I read it at the time, and Alex is right — you’d get no sense of what the guy was all about after reading it.) What I’ve often been puzzled by at that paper is why NOBODY SAYS ANYTHING. It’s like the paper just assembles itself, day after day.
But yeah, when Fred Phelps calls you fair and balanced, you’ve got a big problem.
michaelj said on January 7, 2008 at 2:55 pm
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