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Something’s gotta give.

How did I man­age to plan my week so every­thing hap­pens on Mon­day or Tues­day? Bot­tom line is, I have work on top of work to do today, and in jet­ti­son­ing chores, the blog draws the short straw today. Reg­u­lar read­ers know I con­sider this my daily warmup and bat­ting prac­tice, and you watch: I’m gonna pull a writ­ing mus­cle today, I just know it.

Any­hoo, I’m not going to have time to write any­thing fun until late after­noon, so let’s just bag it today, eh? Open thread to take wher­ever you want. I’m par­tic­i­pat­ing in a fun thread with one of my Face­book friends over the Sight & Sound best-films lists; did you know there are peo­ple in the world who con­sider “Rag­ing Bull” to be over­rated? Bah.

But you can talk about Afghanistan, too. You’ll just have to do it with­out me.

40 responses to
“Something’s gotta give.”

  1. brian stouder said on October 6th, 2009 at 10:10 am

    Here’s a lit­tle cul­tural note, prob­a­bly related to H1N1, and in any case on the sub­ject of pub­lic health: at work we occa­sion­ally cover for folks who are out of the office for one rea­son or another; mow­ing down their junk email and so on, so that we’re in con­tact with their key­boards and so on.

    I asked Pam to get me a bot­tle of hand san­i­tizer — the sort of stuff that’s 60% ethyl alco­hol for work, which she did, and I placed it in a com­mon area.….and peo­ple from all over now beat a track to our area to use that stuff. The fresh smell and cool feel (not to men­tion the seduc­tive thought that one is com­bat­ing the germs!) that the stuff offers actu­ally does seem to be habit form­ing. Maybe ol’ Howard Hughes was just ahead of his time, eh?

    edit: by the way — “Something’s Gotta Give” IS (or was!) a truly over-rated movie

    edit II: I checked that movie list, and the Hitch­cock movie that would be on MY list is North by North­west, rather than Ver­tigo. (and of course, The Wiz­ard of Oz would have to be on there, some­where, too)

  2. moe99 said on October 6th, 2009 at 10:30 am

    I was told it would be a good idea to have a bot­tle of the stuff next to my front door, when peo­ple come vis­it­ing while I am in chemotherapy.

    For now, Truf­fle the 5 month old dachs­hund puppy does the job, lick­ing my hands almost obses­sively. It’s tough­est when I’m typ­ing on the com­puter, so I’m blam­ing all typos on that!

  3. Dorothy said on October 6th, 2009 at 10:32 am

    Wel­come to Nancy land, Truf­fle! I wrote a mis­sive about my dis­like of hand san­i­tiz­ers but it didn’t get pub­lished. I had a link to a web­page about the use of reg­u­lar soap and water as opposed to antibi­otic soaps, but it didn’t pub­lish. Maybe it’s at the on deck cir­cle at Nancy’s computer.

  4. Crabby said on October 6th, 2009 at 10:34 am

    Here’s some­thing to take your mind of yesterday’s bad hamburgers

    The Gimli Glider Incident

    If a Boe­ing 767 runs out of fuel at 41,000 feet what do you have? Answer: A 132 ton glider with a sink rate of over 2000 feet-per-minute and mar­gin­ally enough hydraulic pres­sure to con­trol the ailerons, ele­va­tor, and rudder.…

  5. MarkH said on October 6th, 2009 at 10:43 am

    This is a great story, Crabby. There was even a not-so-great TV movie made about the Gimli Glider Inci­dent. If you didn’t know it was true, it would be hard to believe. EDIT: the inci­dent, not the movie. OK, maybe both…

    http://​www​.imdb​.com/​t​i​t​l​e​/​t​t​0​1​13018/

    Pilot Joe, your thoughts?

  6. Peter said on October 6th, 2009 at 11:10 am

    Brian, much as I like North by North­west (and also The Man Who Knew Too Much), I still don’t think they’re as good as Vertgo.

    True Story: Many years ago a friend of mine went on a high school band trip to San Fran­cisco. They were at an Art Museum where he saw a famil­iar paint­ing, and my friend men­tioned it was strange because he remem­bered the room and the paint­ing, but he was never in San Fran­cisco. Later on, they were pass­ing a restau­rant and my friend had the same feeling.

    The next day, the group is vis­it­ing a mis­sion, and my friend is check­ing out the tower when he real­izes that the mis­sion, the restau­rant, and the museum were all in Ver­tigo, and he started to scream.

  7. Julie Robinson said on October 6th, 2009 at 11:36 am

    Moe men­tions on her blog that she is hav­ing a PET scan today, so please send prayers and other assorted good thoughts her way.

  8. brian stouder said on October 6th, 2009 at 11:37 am

    Ver­tigo bugged me because Jimmy Stew­art was too much of a wierdo. If he can’t be the earnest good guy, then I like him as a crusty crab — as in The Flight of the Phoenix (or what­ever that movie was called)

    But I sup­pose, to be hon­est, North by North­west mainly appeals because it is (to me) the quin­tes­sen­tial Cary Grant movie; he’s witty, urbane, pretty much unflap­pable, and the utli­mate 1950’s-version met­ro­sex­ual guy.

    And indeed — the best best best ‘crusty crabby’ Cary Grant movie is Father Goose, which, if you haven’t seen it, you MUST!

  9. Sue said on October 6th, 2009 at 11:55 am

    By the way, Brian Stouder, I keep for­get­ting to tell you how much I liked your daughter’s school pic. If that isn’t a kid who knows how to wrap cer­tain males around her lit­tle fin­ger, I don’t know what is.
    I’m not a huge Jimmy Stew­art or Cary Grant fan, but I loved them both in ‘Philadel­phia Story’, espe­cially the scene where CK and McCauley have that drunken late night con­ver­sa­tion. They both seemed to be enjoy­ing them­selves and each other, play­ing off each other with those fan­tas­tic lines.

  10. brian stouder said on October 6th, 2009 at 12:13 pm

    Thanks, Sue. Luck­ily for Shelby, she gets her looks and brains from her mom!

    Pam posted it on her Face­book page, and I felt com­pelled to link it, when I was brag­ging about Shelby’s eager­ness to go to a Lin­coln lec­ture with me. Pammy also set me up a Face­book page, which enabled me to click into friend-of-nn.c Laura Lippman’s Face­book page — although I’ve never added much of any­thing to it

  11. paddyo' said on October 6th, 2009 at 12:50 pm

    North by North­west gets my vote … but another Cary Grant (though not Hitch­cock) fun one is “Cha­rade.” A won­der­ful bunch of mis­fits sur­rounds Grant and Audrey Hep­burn — a one-armed George Kennedy, knife-loving James Coburn and Wal­ter Matthau lead­ing the way … Ned Glass, too.

  12. Joe Kobiela said on October 6th, 2009 at 1:01 pm

    The Gilmi Glider was miss fueled. The crew did not use the cor­rect tab­u­la­tion on liter con­ver­sion. How­ever they did a great job land­ing that bug­ger. In a side note, that plane was recently retired to the bone yard.
    Pilot Joe

  13. paddyo' said on October 6th, 2009 at 1:20 pm

    LOVE the Gilmi Glider story epi­logue about the Air Canada repair crew dri­ving in a van over to fix the mir­a­cle glider air­liner and run­ning out of gas en route …

  14. deb said on October 6th, 2009 at 1:29 pm

    brian, moe and any­one else wor­ried about H1N1: the uni­ver­sity of wis­con­sin — where H1N1 is ram­pant — is warn­ing its stu­dents that reg­u­lar alcohol-based hand san­i­tizer does NOT kill the virus. the school has set up dis­pens­ing sta­tions every-freaking-where with a dif­fer­ent form of san­i­tizer that’s sup­posed to do the trick, but i don’t know what it’s called or whether it’s avail­able to civilians.

    my son got swine flu any­way. when his test result turned up neg­a­tive, his doc­tor insisted he stop tak­ing the tam­i­flu. one week, no progress and two more doc­tors later, we were assured that, guess what? it was swine flu after all. yagh.

    oh, one other fun fact: tam­i­flu causes neu­ro­log­i­cal changes, and one poten­tial side effect is self-mutilation, which is why the first doc­tor insisted my child stop tak­ing it when the test result was neg­a­tive. aren’t phar­ma­ceu­ti­cals fun?

  15. brian stouder said on October 6th, 2009 at 1:38 pm

    one poten­tial side effect is self-mutilation

    Hmm­mmm. Maybe those shit-whoppers are OK afterall…

  16. Julie Robinson said on October 6th, 2009 at 2:34 pm

    Whew, I guess I should be glad that our son didn’t have that expe­ri­ence with Tam­i­flu two sea­sons back. Of course, it didn’t help his flu either, and it’s pricey.

    His col­lege has those san­i­tiz­ers all over too, but he says they aren’t being used. It’s just CYA, the same rea­son flu info papers come home from work.

    Does any­one else remem­ber lin­ing up to get flu shots back in 1976? At IU they used vac­ci­na­tion guns, which were pre-loaded with hun­dreds of doses for the thou­sands in line at the health cen­ter. Very sci-fi in appear­ance, but many thought they were more painful than a reg­u­lar nee­dle. Hubby and I are out of the per­ti­nent age group this time around.

  17. Sue said on October 6th, 2009 at 2:46 pm

    Danny, MMJ­eff and Co.: any thoughts on the rewrit­ten bible com­ing out cour­tesy of Phyl­lis Schlafly’s son? Maybe all that inclu­sive­ness and gender-neutral word­ing of some of today’s ver­sions is annoy­ing, but they’re talk­ing about the King James ver­sion. A con­ser­v­a­tive ver­sion that changes ‘phar­isees’ into ‘intellectuals’ — isn’t that an even more loaded term to cer­tain con­ser­v­a­tives? And ‘explain­ing eco­nomic para­bles with their full free mar­ket mean­ing’?
    WTF (MMJeff’s version)?

  18. Dorothy said on October 6th, 2009 at 2:51 pm

    Thanks for the tip Julie, about Moe. Moe is always on my mind when I click on my nan​cy​nall​.com link in my favorites.

  19. Dexter said on October 6th, 2009 at 3:15 pm

    My daughter’s SO , the Net­Jets pilot, is stuck in Antigua, wait­ing for the client to fin­ish his vaca­tion. Sat­ur­day to Fri­day, stuck in a nice hotel in that god­for­saken part of the world…such a piti­ful sit­u­a­tion, at the company’s expense or not! Wotta life!

  20. Jolene said on October 6th, 2009 at 3:18 pm

    Just saw on MSNBC that pub­lic health offi­cials – some­where in Texas, I believe – had orga­nized a drive-thru vaci­na­tion site. Seemed like a great idea.

    On another topic, saw a great doc­u­men­tary called “The Chan­dlers and Their Times” on PBS last night. Fas­ci­nat­ing look at the devel­op­ment of LA begin­ning in the late 1800s, much of which was dri­ven by the founder of the LA Times, William Otis*, and his son-in-law, Harry Chan­dler, and at the evo­lu­tion of both that par­tic­u­lar news­pa­per and, to a lesser extent, news­pa­pers more gen­er­ally. Cat­nip for cur­rent and for­mer news­pa­per peo­ple, I’d think. My PBS sta­tion is show­ing it sev­eral times this week, so yours prob­a­bly is too.

    Tonight, btw, there’s a film about Dar­win that looks inter­est­ing. Do I watch too much TV? Yes, I do.

    *May have mis­re­mem­bered his first name.

  21. Julie Robinson said on October 6th, 2009 at 3:29 pm

    Sue, I hadn’t heard about the Con­ser­v­a­tive Bible Project but I just read their page @ con​ser​va​pe​dia​.com. AIEEEEE!!

    They insist that their ver­sion will not be dumbed down, yet will pre­fer con­cise­ness over lib­eral wordi­ness. It’s also going to pro­vide a frame­work against lib­eral bias while uti­liz­ing pow­er­ful con­ser­v­a­tive terms, and on and on.

    All this using the KJV, which incor­po­rates the lat­est bib­li­cal schol­ar­ship from 1611. I weep.

  22. Rana said on October 6th, 2009 at 3:43 pm

    Regard­ing flu shots — the reg­u­lar ones are on offer all over town, but I haven’t seen any­thing about the H1N1 vac­cines. I’ll def­i­nitely be get­ting one of the reg­u­lar ones, since I teach and col­leges and uni­ver­si­ties (espe­cially if they include par­ents among the stu­dent body) are big ol’ viral incu­ba­tors. I wash my hands a lot, and use the hand­i­cap but­tons to open doors that I can’t open by lean­ing on them.

    One thing that’s inter­est­ing is the way that the advice that peo­ple with fevers should stay home is affect­ing atten­dance. I can’t tell whether more peo­ple are sick this fall than in pre­vi­ous semes­ters, or whether peo­ple before were com­ing to class even when fever­ish. (Or if peo­ple are using the flu as an excuse to play hooky.) In any case, I am see­ing a lot more absences than before, and the online com­po­nent of my courses has become vital to keep­ing the classes going.

  23. Jeff Borden said on October 6th, 2009 at 4:00 pm

    Stephen Col­bert has famously stated that truth has a lib­eral bias. I guess the Schlafly clan fig­ures Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were proto-liberals, too.

    Rewrit­ing the Bible to make it more con­ser­v­a­tive is to the rightwing whack jobs as renam­ing man­hole cov­ers to per­son­hole cov­ers is to the left­wing nut­ters. It’s beyond par­ody. Where do they go from here?

    BTW, I came across the fol­low­ing at another web­site and thought it was one of the great­est things I’ve seen today.

    START:
    Germany’s most pop­u­lar women’s mag­a­zine is ban­ning pro­fes­sional mod­els from its pages and replac­ing them with images of “real life” women instead.

    In what is seen as the lat­est attempt to stamp out the “size zero” model, the edi­tors of Brigitte said it would in future only use women with “nor­mal figures”.

    “From 2010 we will not work with pro­fes­sional mod­els any more,” said Andreas Lebert, editor-in-chief, adding that he was “fed up” with hav­ing to retouch pic­tures of under­weight mod­els who bore no resem­blance to ordi­nary women.“
    STOP

    I love this idea. My wife was charmed to the core a few years ago when Jamie Lee Cur­tis agreed to pose in her undies with­out makeup, hair­styl­ist and photo touchups. To me, she looked as lovely as ever, though I admit to really dig­ging her through her long career. But there were def­i­nitely wrin­kles, gray hair and the kinds of sags and bags that go with get­ting older.

    What do you folks think?

  24. Sue said on October 6th, 2009 at 4:22 pm

  25. brian stouder said on October 6th, 2009 at 4:55 pm

    What do you folks think?

    I think women with poise and vigor have an irre­press­ible beauty all their own; very much more than they realize.

  26. Jeff Borden said on October 6th, 2009 at 5:42 pm

    Sue, Aii­ieeeeeeeee!

    Brian, agreed 100%.

  27. Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on October 6th, 2009 at 6:16 pm

    Well, gee, thanks Sue. Thanks for mak­ing my day — what a bright spot in a grim, gloomy day (apolo­gies to Moe & Dorothy, who have fairly exclu­sive rights to com­plain this week).

    I did not need to know about this today. In the mid­dle of try­ing to help nudge a con­gre­ga­tion off of mind­less narrow-focus end­less kul­turkampfen, and then get an inter­jec­tion into the sit­u­a­tion from a judi­ca­tory offi­cial, for end­los cul­ture war from the left. Arggghh.

    Any­how, sin­cere thanks for the heads-up, since i will almost cer­tainly hear about this, in a set­ting where it will be a bless­ing to be able to be a quick-responding, non-anxious pres­ence, on my feet, in front of curi­ous wit­nesses. My quick take — this goober, i mean, this όσπρια, doesn’t know enough Greek to blow his ρήμ, and he should be embar­rassed to know less Greek than me. But i don’t pre­tend to trans­late the Bible (just old fake arti­facts of 1860 vin­tage from Hebrew).

    The NRSV is mildly embar­rass­ing in its attempt to “fix” Scrip­ture to the left, IMNSHO, chang­ing big swaths of ver­biage rather than tell it like it is and then do the preach­ing and teach­ing work of expla­na­tion — plus it makes lots of changes for no other rea­son than they can, jolt­ing famil­iar rhythms for no real shad­ing of mean­ing. I still use RSV 90% of the time. The NLT 2nd edi­tion is an excel­lent read­ing ver­sion (and i still like the TEV/Good News Bible, the one with the line draw­ings), and the new ESV i am now regret­ting even pur­chas­ing for reference.

    So i guess my point is that this silly project is just a coun­terblast to the agenda dri­ven trans­la­tions like NRSV and the TNIV, but that’s no excuse. It shouldn’t be done, and cer­tainly shouldn’t pre­tend to be more “fair and bal­anced” [rimshot].

    My apolo­gies to any­one who could care less — just find an RSV with a solid bind­ing and good notes (i value the old Oxford Anno­tated), and read Luke, then for­get about the trans­la­tion wars and go to sleep.

  28. Julie Robinson said on October 6th, 2009 at 6:57 pm

    Jefft­mmo, I still have my Oxford Anno­tated RSV which I used for my col­lege classes, as well as the OA NRSV, which has paper that is too thin. (Our new hym­nal has the same prob­lem.) For devo­tional read­ing I like The Mes­sage by Eugene Peterson.

    And speak­ing of mind­less narrow-focus end­less kul­turkampfen, our church will be hav­ing yet another “dis­cern­ment” evening about ordain­ing non-celibate gays, despite the fact that the aver­age pew-sitter just wants a car­ing par­son who preaches good ser­mons. I can’t wait.

  29. nancy said on October 6th, 2009 at 7:40 pm

    I remem­ber the first time I picked up a “Liv­ing Bible.” I learned the coin of the realm for the Philistines was dol­lars. Hmm.

  30. Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on October 6th, 2009 at 8:10 pm

    Ah, Julie, let’s swap prayers for each other. Dis­cern­ment is not a word i love as much as i once did. Truly, peo­ple want car­ing par­sons who can preach non-awfully, but they also want some­one they can trust. We’re wast­ing time debat­ing ordi­na­tion of gays and les­bians (short answer, ordain those who are called, but … keep read­ing), while we’re ordain­ing preda­tors who sleep their way through the alto sec­tion or embez­zle the petty cash from the CROP Walk because they have five maxed out credit cards. We’re going at clergy dis­cern­ment all wrong, if you ask me. We need good peo­ple, gay, straight, or bent however.

  31. beb said on October 6th, 2009 at 9:38 pm

    I quite enjoyed read­ing “Mis­quot­ing Jesus” which dis­cussed the lim­its of bib­li­cal inerrency, by dis­cussing the known ver­sions of dif­fer­ent books of the new tes­ta­ment. Really inter­est­ing stuff, even for some­one who gave up on church years ago.

    For that mat­ter, will I wouldn’t change the name “Phar­i­sis” to any­thing else, least of all to “Intel­lec­tu­als” I would foot­note that they were con­spic­u­ously reli­gious peo­ple — like televangelists

  32. basset said on October 6th, 2009 at 9:44 pm

    When I grad­u­ated from high school in south­west­ern Indi­ana in 1973, the non-denominational church in the lit­tle town where I was raised gave all of the grad­u­ates — I think there were three of us, school was at the other end of the county — indi­vid­ual Bibles. I have never been a church­goer, and put it away with­out read­ing. A few years later, I wanted to look some­thing up and finally opened it. The sec­tions had been bound out of order. I fig­ured that was a sign.

  33. Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on October 6th, 2009 at 10:10 pm

  34. basset said on October 6th, 2009 at 10:33 pm

    well, hav­ing worked as a “cor­rec­tor,” I can surely relate to that.

  35. Dexter said on October 7th, 2009 at 12:31 am

    sorry – dou­ble post correction—

  36. Dexter said on October 7th, 2009 at 12:33 am

    I hope this fuck­ing wind doesn’t blow the last tree onto my roof.
    I took the dog for a lit­tle drive and a walk around the well-lighted court square here just now. I was just too wound-up after watch­ing what I am sure many sports pun­dits will call the great­est game of the decade. The Min­nesota Twins beat the Detroit Tigers in the cham­pi­onship game for the Cen­tral Divi­sion of base­ball. I have not been so tense and into every pitch of a game since a cou­ple Yankees-Red Sox games years ago.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    A friend called and was shaken…he’s old, and he just got released from ten days in jail for drunk dri­ving. He lives in Illi­nois and got busted in Indi­ana. Indi­ana yanked his license and he served his 90 days suspension-of-license. When he applied for his license back in Illi­nois, he was told Illi­nois never sus­pended his license, the Indi­ana judge had no right to yank his license, and now Illi­nois is revok­ing his license for a year, dur­ing which time he must be eval­u­ated for alco­hol abuse and must com­plete a course in alco­hol edu­ca­tion.
    Over here, I have known plenty of folks who have had to attend these state-sponsored schools for alco­hol edu­ca­tion.
    They also take hours per day for months to com­plete, and you have to par­tic­i­pate and please your instruc­tors or they sim­ply won’t release you and you have to keep tak­ing the courses until you can show them you care.
    I never had to take these courses but it is not a joke to have to take them, and it is expen­sive as hell.
    Why do long-time alco­holics resume drink­ing and dri­ving when they are way past 60 and know bet­ter? It’s because they think they do actu­ally know bet­ter, and are smarter than com­mon AA peo­ple, and they can han­dle it. And they go off to jail with the younger crim­i­nals . Well, if John Bar­l­ey­corn kick your ass once and you don’t totally sur­ren­der to him, and try to beat him again…he’ll kick your ass even harder, and he’ll kill you the next time.
    But some peo­ple don’t believe in metaphors and sto­ries and they go back to the bar and take another swing at fate.…

  37. ROgirl said on October 7th, 2009 at 6:47 am

    When­ever I hear about peo­ple who can’t con­trol their drink­ing I real­ize that my prob­lems could be a lot worse, and that I’m lucky that alco­hol isn’t one of them. A friend mar­ried a man who was a recov­er­ing alco­holic, but he started drink­ing again and ended up spend­ing sev­eral months in jail, con­tin­ued to drink on and off (mostly on), and died this sum­mer at the age of 62 after a binge.

  38. alex said on October 7th, 2009 at 7:49 am

    I didn’t com­ment on Let­ter­man on the Let­ter­man thread a few days ago because I’m actu­ally more dis­ap­pointed that his rep­u­ta­tion is being scan­dal­ized than in his behav­ior. In addi­tion to what Nance said about cold-eyed oppor­tunism on the part of cer­tain “harass­ment vic­tims,” this morning’s MoDo prob­a­bly sums up my feel­ings about it bet­ter than any­thing else I’ve read:

    http://​www​.nytimes​.com/​2​0​0​9​/​1​0​/​0​7​/​o​p​i​n​i​o​n​/​0​7​d​o​w​d​.​h​t​m​l​?​_​r​=​1​&​amp;hp

  39. Connie said on October 7th, 2009 at 10:50 am

    When I grad­u­ated from Zee­land HS in 1973 each grad­u­ate was handed a diploma and a bible with name enbossed on front.

    I am not much of a bible reader any­more, though I own a dozen or so. On the rare time I need read it I turn to the KJV, King James ver­sion, for the sheer poetry. And the child­hood famil­iar­ity. I do occa­sion­ally attend church with friends at Christ­mas, and the Christ­mas story sounds so wrong to me read from a ver­sion other than King James.

    As to H1N1, I had a long chat yes­ter­day with the com­mu­ni­ca­ble dis­eases expert at the County Health Dept. Here is what I learned:

    If you were born in 1957 or ear­lier you prob­a­bly have devel­oped immu­nity due to other expo­sures over the years.

    Bosses do not need to be con­cerned about employ­ees with fam­ily mem­bers who have been so diag­nosed. (My cur­rent employee with a diag­nosed kid says his wife has been sent home for the dura­tion, she does work for one of the big med equip com­pa­nies in Warsaw).

    Employ­ees with flu symp­toms should be sent home from work whether or not they have been diagnosed.

    Cus­tomer with obvi­ous flu sys­tems who are spray­ing all over the build­ing: secu­rity should have a chat, and the per­son may be asked to leave.

    We are con­sid­er­ing a pol­icy that would pro­vide short term addi­tional leave time if needed in order to con­vince employ­ees to stay home. We are putting hand san­i­tizer every where for both employee and cus­tomer use, putting stick­ers on all the bath­room mir­rors that say wash your hands for 20 sec­onds, and stock­ing up on masks for the optional use of employees.

    I remem­ber lin­ing up at Michi­gan State for that flu shot in 1976.

  40. basset said on October 7th, 2009 at 2:50 pm

    I was at IU when the flu shots were hap­pen­ing in 1976, don’t remem­ber get­ting one. although I do recall lin­ing up for four hours to give blood in the fall of ’73, the donors filled Alumni Hall and the sur­round­ing pas­sage­ways. some­thing about a con­test with Pur­due, I think.