The numbers.

Open thread today, folks. Michigan’s census numbers were released yesterday, and I’m up to my eyebrows in data, trying to figure it out. Plus office hours and a writing gig that has to be finished by week’s end, so in the eenie-meanie of priorities, you lose.

In the meantime, for those of you who think I’m too hard on Charles Pugh, ex-Fort Wayne TV “journalist” and current president of Detroit’s City Council, how about this nugget of Pugh-y goodness:

City Council President Charles Pugh is blaming high rates of incarceration and car insurance premiums for U.S. Census figures pegging Detroit’s population at 713,777.

Pugh told The News today that city officials know of thousands of Detroiters who are incarcerated in other municipalities who will soon get out. Those people should be counted “when they get out and come back to Detroit,” said Pugh, adding that he doubts the city has lost more than 200,000 people in a decade.

“We know that there are thousands of people because of car insurance that have addresses in the suburbs,” he said. “We need to let those people know, look, this is not an effort to catch you and to prosecute you. We want your numbers so we can get federal dollars and state dollars.”

An undercount of prisoners! What a maroon. As a friend says, “Why make it easy for Rush Limbaugh to fill an hour?”

OK, so: Sayonara. The rest of the week looks pretty grim, but I’m going to try to grab time here and there for you, dear readers. And at week’s end, I’m gonna sleep like a corpse.

Posted at 9:06 am in Current events, Detroit life |

64 responses to “The numbers.”

  1. John M said on March 23, 2011 at 9:22 am

    “We know that there are thousands of people because of car insurance that have addresses in the suburbs” -Charles Pugh

    …….and along with those false suburban addresses in conjunction with legal documents (automobile Proof of Insurance, possibly car registration and drivers license) are the children who attend suburban schools while living in Detroit.

    Dave Bing posits on a billboard for the campaign launched by Sandy Hermanoff and Paige Curtis as a public service effort to talk up Detroit on westbound 696 near Grosebeck, ” I’m A Believer”. MY response: Not So Much .

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  2. brian stouder said on March 23, 2011 at 9:36 am

    And Elizabeth Taylor, RIP.

    You know, I always thought of her as a bit of a joke; Richard Burton, Cleopatra, Virginia Woolf, etc –

    But National Velvet has something glittering in it, as does A Place in the Sun (I think that’s the name).

    Hard not to admire her work, really

    (edit: just realized this was a somewhat morbid way to follow Nance’s closing sentence)

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  3. Peter said on March 23, 2011 at 10:02 am

    I can second that, Brian.

    When I was growing up all I knew about Elizabeth Taylor was Cleopatra and the Richard Burton stories you saw in the checkout lane at the food store. Then one day I caught Father of the Bride and whoa she was hot!

    And going off tangent, I have to admit that I didn’t appreciate Mary Tyler Moore’s talents on the Dick Van Dyke Show until later in life.

    Getting back on topic – aren’t prisoners counted from the place they’re from, not the place where they’re incarcerated? I mean, there’s a lot of soldiers overseas – aren’t they included in their cities’ total?

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  4. Dave said on March 23, 2011 at 10:43 am

    It can’t be, the mayor of Cincinnati was sure that some mistake had been made when the census figures were released.

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  5. nancy said on March 23, 2011 at 10:56 am

    John, you need a lot more than a driver’s license or proof of insurance to enroll in Grosse Pointe schools. I had to produce the closing documents for my house. For renters, a lease or other rental agreement is required.

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  6. LAMary said on March 23, 2011 at 11:04 am

    My neighborhood elementary school is outstanding and people go through all sorts of shenanigans to get into the school while living elsewhere. The last time my next door neighbors were renters, they had to show their lease, phone bill, water and power bill, and someone dropped by on a random check to see if they actually lived there.

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  7. Heather said on March 23, 2011 at 11:05 am

    Nancy, can I just say that your ability to write so clearly, concisely, and engagingly in what must be just a few minutes–on a regular basis–makes me green with envy. I blog about style for a local paper every weekday and it’s usually a struggle to spit out even two or three coherent sentences that I won’t be embarrassed to put out there. It’s a testament to your talent and training.

    I’m just in an appreciative mood today, I guess.

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  8. Bob (Not Greene) said on March 23, 2011 at 11:16 am

    Speaking of the incarcerated I’m sitting in the jury assembly room at a Cook County courthouse. Jury duty — with two weeks to go before an election and a boatload of stories to report. Talk about timing.

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  9. Bob (Not Greene) said on March 23, 2011 at 11:35 am

    Also the TV is on here. The View, which is a new one for me. That idiot Donald Trump is on weighing in with his birther crap. Why does anyone provide oxygen for this guy?

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  10. moe99 said on March 23, 2011 at 11:58 am

    Lewis Black got it right about Trump:—trump-2012

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  11. Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on March 23, 2011 at 12:16 pm

    Jolene (from last thread’s end), no I haven’t, and I should. Thanks for the reminder.

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  12. Linda said on March 23, 2011 at 12:53 pm

    This is the goofy season in which people like Trump and Pawlenty believe that masses of people really want them to be president, because they are surrounded by butt-kissers who keep telling them so. Only after they have spent millions and wasted a lot of people’s time, and lined the pockets of campaign advisors, will they come back to earth (about May, 2012). Think of it as a private economic stimulous program.

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  13. nancy said on March 23, 2011 at 12:56 pm

    By the way, Moe, that Daily Show segment was pants-wetting funny. Thanks for posting.

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  14. coozledad said on March 23, 2011 at 12:58 pm

    Linda: The campaign staffs better ask for their money up front. I understand “Hot Carl” Paladino is shorting his advisers because they couldn’t get him to shut up.

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  15. moe99 said on March 23, 2011 at 1:03 pm

    I really don’t want to make Jeff tmmo’s day worse than it already is but…pole dancing for Jesus?

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  16. Jeff Borden said on March 23, 2011 at 1:07 pm

    I think Mitt Romney will wind up with the GOP presidential nod and he will be the Republican version of Walter Mondale. I don’t mean he’ll be the victim of a landslide. A black president will never generate the margins Reagan did when he crushed Mondale. But he’s mostly alone among the bigger names in having done the footwork expected of a candidate and he’s been a loyal trooper for the GOP march of stupidity. He won’t have an easy time of it. The teabaggers hate him and the evangelicals don’t really trust Mormons and then there’s his entire persona of morphing into whatever people want him to be.

    I’m praying, of course, for a Republican crackup. The party is utterly schizophrenic these days and unable to wean itself away from the cultural bullshit that gives the base a woody. They’ve done nothing to create jobs –this supposedly was their signature issue just a few months ago– but they’ve found plenty of time to pick on NPR, hassle Planned Parenthood and now propose spending as much as $100 million to carve “In God We Trust” into every federal building.

    Meanwhile, buyer’s remorse is settling over voters in record time. Both douchebag governors in Wisconsin and Ohio would take a drubbing if the elections were held today, according to credible polling, and there is some indication the GOP majority in the House may not last long as many of the freshman are already underwater in public opinion.

    Never underestimate the Democratic ability to screw up a potential success and President Obama has been pretty disappointing in his performance. Still, I think when the insane gibberish Republicans are required to use to win primaries to win the drooling goobers is heard by saner people, it will not go well for conservatives.

    I sure hope so.

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  17. beb said on March 23, 2011 at 1:28 pm

    What’s astonishing about the census results is that a whole quarter of a million Detroit pulled up stakes and fled the city. That’s 25% of the city’s total population. That will only fuel Gov Snyder’s spit-on-Detroit position on revenue sharing. I suspect that when compared to other cities throughout the nation Detroit’s losses will be only slightly worse than overall urban declines.

    I’m expecting Snyder’s Finance Nazi (as opposed to Czars) will want to dissolve Detroit to better fix it’s budget woes. But I doubt that Wayne County (the county Detroit is located in) would want to assume the burden on caring for Detroit’s citizens.

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  18. Julie Robinson said on March 23, 2011 at 1:42 pm

    *best church lady voice* My, my, Moe, isn’t that special?

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  19. Deborah said on March 23, 2011 at 1:51 pm

    Moe, the Louis Black, Daily show segment you linked to was not only pants wetting funny, but food spitting funny too, I should have known better than to click on it while eating lunch.

    FWIW, my right wing sister is for Mitt. I’d put my money on him getting the nomination, then losing the election. Yay.

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  20. LAMary said on March 23, 2011 at 2:28 pm

    Let’s take a break to look at the latest shoe styles.

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  21. Dorothy said on March 23, 2011 at 2:30 pm

    I love Lewis Black and thanks to those who gave the heads-up warning – think I’ll wait until I’m home to play that clip.

    I could not wear any of those shoes, Mary, but there are a couple of pair that I think are cute. The brown and black Marc Jacobs with the black laces and tassels are the ones I would covet if I were 25 35 years younger.

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  22. mark said on March 23, 2011 at 2:37 pm

    Lots here today.

    Beb- Sorry, Detroit’s population loss was MUCH greater than overall urban declines. The good news, though, is that with complete Democratic/progressive control of city government, there is nothing standing in the way of appropriate taxes on the rich, school reform and government job creation. Paradise awaits..

    Residency requirements, proper documentation and random home checks? Aren’t these the same ideas that caused everyone here to call Arizona Republicans racist? I guess it is different when it is Democrats walling off wealthy school districts from poor kids than Republicans walling off benefits from undocumented workers.

    Jeff B- Praying for a Republican crack-up. You posted a couple dozen obituaries here for the Republican party in late 2008/early 2009. And if you want to put money down now on a Republican nominee, you’re betting on the wrong Mormon. The smart money is with Huntsman. Here is an interesting piece:

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  23. moe99 said on March 23, 2011 at 3:15 pm

    Ooh mark, willing to make a friendly wager on whether Huntsman will be the nominee? I’d put up a good Washington Chardonnay that he will not.

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  24. Jolene said on March 23, 2011 at 3:15 pm

    mark, Huntsman would be a great GOP candidate, but, to me, it is simply implausible that he can credibly run against Obama having served in his administration for two years. Any Republican is going to have to spend a substantial part of the campaign attacking Obama, and what’s he going to say? That Obama was such a bad guy that he readily accepted the request to serve and did so with distinction? To me, he’d have been smarter to stay in China for the rest of Obama’s first term and then come home to build support for a 2016 run.

    Running now is going to require a turn-around almost as head-snapping as the one Newt Gingrich has done on intervention in Libya.

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  25. mark said on March 23, 2011 at 3:43 pm

    moe and jolene-

    I like the bet idea, just need to come up with a worthy Indiana product. And yes, Huntsman will have some explaining to do, but I don’t think the Ambassador issue is that difficult. The man speaks Mandarin and lived in Taiwan (during a missionary commitment). It might be the top diplomatic position after Secretary of State in an area where he had a prior, significant interest and expertise.

    The larger question is to what degree Republicans/conservatives will splinter on the social issues.

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  26. Sue said on March 23, 2011 at 3:47 pm

    “The larger question is to what degree Republicans/conservatives will splinter on the social issues.”
    And how much mischief voting will go on in open-primary states.

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  27. Jolene said on March 23, 2011 at 3:51 pm

    It’s not being ambassador to China that’s a problem for Huntsman, mark, it’s being Obama’s ambassador to China. Pretty much the only idea Republicans have these days is: If Obama is for it, we are against it. How’s that going to work?

    But you are right that Huntsman is not sufficiently off the deep end to appeal to the tea party types and/or the social conservatives.

    Other than that, I see no obstacles to his candidacy. And he has great hair.

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  28. Dexter said on March 23, 2011 at 4:05 pm

    Elizabeth Taylor was so tantalizing in “Cat On a Hot Tin Roof” and as Cleopatra, acting along with Newman and Burton so wonderfully well, but since I started watching TCM I have concluded her best work was done in roles she co-starred in with Montgomery Clift. I watch enough TCM interviews to realize that contemporaries of these two fine actors knew this, and movie fans who saw the films first run as adults, who are well past 80 now, for sure, knew this, and now with Robert Osborne showing these interviews, it becomes so clear, Taylor and Clift were the greatest, had the chemistry of the ages.
    Elizabeth Taylor was a celebrity my whole life…never have I not known who she was. My parents were not consumed by following movie stars’ careers, but Liz was so big I remember them discussing her and her marriages and her movies. She was huge. Two months in the hospital at the end…and now we are sure to have an Elizabeth Taylor film festival on TCM, right quick.

    And if you missed it, and you love HBO’s “Treme”…

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  29. LAMary said on March 23, 2011 at 4:06 pm

    mark, I live in the poorest council district in Los Angeles and the school draws from two council districts, poorest and second poorest.I hardly think we’re walling it off to keep the poor kids out. It’s actually wealthy families who are trying to get their kids into my neighborhood school. It’s a small school. 325 students at the time my kids were there. If it filled with students who were not really supposed to be there the poor kids in the neighborhood would be bussed to another school. Remarkable parent involvement is what makes the school good, not money.

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  30. mark said on March 23, 2011 at 4:10 pm

    My apologies LAMary. My assumption was inappropriate and incorrect.

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  31. Linda said on March 23, 2011 at 4:29 pm

    Mark, I’m so glad you posted. Huntsman is the perfect example of a candidate that is lusted after as a candidate by people who check Politico every half hour, as well as by his immediate family. Being the ambassador to China nets him zero political base, or any experience getting votes. The fact that he is hyped as an interesting, contrarian candidate shows that in some way, the Republican Party fears their current candidates are out in the fringes of American thought, and they are hoping this guy will pull the middle of the road voters in. However, the Republican base voters will chew him up and spit him out by April. Just a thought.

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  32. 4dbirds said on March 23, 2011 at 4:50 pm

    I love many of the shoes and would break my neck wearing them.

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  33. Dexter said on March 23, 2011 at 4:51 pm

    moe99, are the pole dancers in your linked video responsible for this?

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  34. Jolene said on March 23, 2011 at 4:52 pm

    I loved Cat on a Hot Tin Roof too, Dexter. So many great performances, including Burl Ives decrying mendacity. Tom and Lorenzo have a tribute to Taylor that includes a video tribute from Paul Newman, as well as lots of great pics.

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  35. Jolene said on March 23, 2011 at 4:55 pm

    Of interest to current and former journos, a job ad seeking an investigative reporter in Florida.

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  36. Jeff Borden said on March 23, 2011 at 4:58 pm


    Sadly, I have been wrong many times about the demise of Republicans. Wishful thinking, I guess. But the other posters have already made my point, which is that the religious and social issue loons are going to have disproportionate power over the early going in the primaries that does not bode well for ANY Mormon or anyone who holds a nuanced view of the way government works. So, we’re treated to asinine statements about how T-Paw or Huckleberry Huckabee will repeal DADT, for example, instead of any real talk about how to get our country moving forward again.

    Hunstman is a non-starter, I think, and I will be more than willing to put a wager on it, though I’ll remind you that I am one of the famous “underemployed” Americans, so the stakes might be modest, LOL.

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  37. Jolene said on March 23, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    When I first heard that Pawlenty had said he wanted to repeal DADT, I thought he’d lost his mind. I mean, that is some serious pandering. The repeal was supported by a substantial majority of Americans, approved by the CJCS and the Secretary of Defense, and passed with (at least some) bipartisan support. And it’s expected to be implemented this year. To stir up trouble for partisan gain over a settled matter that is approved by many and irrelevant to most is really pushing the boundaries of rational action.

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  38. Scout said on March 23, 2011 at 5:12 pm

    Speaking of GOP presidential hopefuls, apparently the conservo-punditocracy is attempting to ease $P out of the running by making soothing statements about how she is just so ABOVE the office of President, that she shouldn’t lower herself to seeking it. Brilliant! Surely she’ll fall for the old “it’s not YOU, it’s ME” ploy.

    Hunts…who? If I was a betting woman, I’d take some of that action too, Jeff B.

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  39. Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on March 23, 2011 at 5:15 pm

    Moe, where is the plastic wrap negligee? Or a younger, hipper evangelical wife could get edgy and use bubble wrap instead.

    Pole dancing for Jesus. OK, then.

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  40. Julie Robinson said on March 23, 2011 at 5:23 pm

    The red Pradas with the button strap are adorable, but unless they come in a Birkenstock version they are sadly not for me. Undoubtedly the price is also not for me.

    LAMary speaks the truth about parent involvement making a school great. Yes, yes, yes. It isn’t just the money.

    My mom is the same age as Elizabeth Taylor and as a teenager in rural Iowa thought that Liz lived the most impossibly glamorous life ever. She said Liz was her alter ego in her dreamlife, and yep, she also bought the perfume.

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  41. Sue said on March 23, 2011 at 5:39 pm

    Elizabeth Taylor: I was always frightened of her eyebrows.
    Pole dancing for Jesus: Hmmm, I can’t help but think that Jesus might disapprove of people hanging from vertical protuberances.

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  42. Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on March 23, 2011 at 6:11 pm

    There’s a bad cross-related joke here, but it’s not coming to me right off the bat. Sorry! (Horizontal, vertical, . . . something like that.)

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  43. brian stouder said on March 23, 2011 at 6:33 pm

    Well, and Mark provided another chuckle with his remark about Hunstman’s missionary position –

    The man speaks Mandarin and lived in Taiwan (during a missionary commitment). It might be the top diplomatic position after Secretary of State…

    Buy that man an icy cold 44 ounce cup of Diet Coke!

    As for the parlor game of assessing which political party is ascendant, I really do think that the Democrats currently have the deep bench, while the Republicans really don’t.

    Show me the national Republican with energy, optimism, and a coherent message. Jeb Bush would fill the bill, except for his last name. I thought Kaye Bailey Hutchinson would be a national candidate, but John McCain had other ideas.

    Who else?

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  44. alex said on March 23, 2011 at 7:18 pm

    Liz Taylor is one celebrity I can claim to have seen in the flesh. It was many years ago in Chicago when a starstruck friend in the ad biz got us forged press credentials made up by his fellow art directors to attend a Cirque du Soleil fund-raiser for AIDS at Navy Pier. (This was a big game at his agency and as far as I know nobody ever got shown the door when crashing a party. They were good at their craft. Would-be groupies evidently emit the same vibe as the ass-kissers who surround Hollywood legends.)

    I was nervous as hell, posing as a Venezuelan photographer, according to my credentials. Got some great pix too and wish I could dig them up right now. I snapped Liz, Oprah, Woody Harrelson and Irv Kupcinet. And those are just the ones I remember.

    I wasn’t particularly starstruck but enjoyed the thrill. One of my other starstruck friends once volunteered to be a limo driver for the Chicago International Film Festival and sold stories of his encounters with the attendees to the Chicago Reader. The best one, as I recall, was about schlepping Carlo Ponti (husband of Sophia Loren) and a twenty-ish female making out with him from O’Hare to downtown. As they traveled along Lake Shore Drive the young lady asked whether Lake Michigan was the Atlantic or the Pacific and what city they were in.

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  45. LAMary said on March 23, 2011 at 8:25 pm

    JeffTMMO, I thought the same thing but I let it pass.

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  46. JayZ(the original) said on March 23, 2011 at 8:28 pm

    Dexter, although I am not yet “way past 80”, I did see a Place In the Sun as a teenager, and it has remained one of my favorite films after all these years because of that Montgomery Clift/Elizabeth Taylor chemistry as well as Shelley Winter’s outstanding performance. I should add that even after James Dean came on the scene a few years later, Monty was still my heartthrob.

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  47. Deborah said on March 23, 2011 at 9:14 pm

    JayZ, how about Suddenly Last Summer with Liz and Montgomery Clift along with Katherine Hepburn? That was a good one too.

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  48. Jolene said on March 23, 2011 at 9:23 pm

    Those of you who admired Elizabeth Taylor in A Place in the Sun are in good company. The PBS Newshour did a substantial piece about her tonight, part of which involved an interview with LA Times film critic Kenneth Turan. In the midst of many laudatory comments, he said that was his favorite Elizabeth Taylor movie–that, if you were going to go back and watch one of her movies, that would be the one to pick.

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  49. Dorothy said on March 23, 2011 at 9:41 pm

    Monty was at his prime during “A Place in the Sun”, but he ruined his glorious face in a car accident three years before he filmed “Suddenly Last Summer.” When he had that accident (had just left a party at Liz’s home with Michael Wilding), she rushed to the scene and cradled his bloodied head in her lap waiting for the ambulance to get there.

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  50. Joe Kobiela said on March 23, 2011 at 10:13 pm

    Julie R,
    Read your deal with the canceled airline flight. If you would have gone to the airport the airline would have compasated you if they couldn’t get you to your destination within 2hr. We are talking around $400.00 per ticket. I don’t know what they do if you don’t show up but would at least ask them on Thursday. Read your passenger bill of rights. In other news, can anyone recomend a good place for lunch in Des Moine Iowa? will be there all day Thursday.
    Pilot Joe

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  51. Crazycatlady said on March 23, 2011 at 10:24 pm

    Pugh does appear to be deliriously free of the ravages of intelligence. His convoluted logic almost makes sense. Just wait till all the bad guys come back home, then count them! Brilliant!

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  52. Deborah said on March 23, 2011 at 10:48 pm

    Pilot Joe, I have an ongoing project in Des Moines and have been going there regularly for the last couple of years. There’s a great place called Lucca, near the capital downtown. The pasta bolognese is fantastic. Because of all the attention Iowa gets politically because of the caucus there are some really good restaurants there surprisingly. Lucca rates right up there with some really good places in Chicago.

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  53. Jolene said on March 23, 2011 at 11:27 pm

    The NYT has an “interactive feature” re Taylor that includes pictures, dates of her marriages, clips from films, movie reviews and such–all on a timeline. Was interesting to see the preview of Cat on a Hot Tin Roof. Just a very different style than we see currently.

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  54. moe99 said on March 24, 2011 at 1:20 am

    My son posted this on his FB and I thought it was quite good. But I am out of the current music scene.

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  55. prospero said on March 24, 2011 at 8:02 pm

    Whatever anybody thinks. We don’t think about anything but the best outcomes for kids. This is a no brqiner, We wqnt kiw to be hqppy qnd well qne strong. If I think a child is endangered, I WANT to hurt the bastrd. I understand that may not be the vest approach, Let cops deal, They know what they’re doing. Best outcome is cops. handling. . I’ve a child that could have been taken, She hasn’t been. Let the cops handle this. I’ll stay in a B and B in Harvard

    I’ve had it with being blamed take care of myself. I have to come and see the boy. I promise I won’t bother you. But I’ll also be ecsstatic ifyou guys will have dinner with me at La Groceria, I’ll try to hook up with
    sara. We had a memorable dinner there one time, No joke, she is one of my best friends ever, and yours too. And between the three of us, I kinda was in love with Sara back in the day. Why wouldn’t I not be? She was in love with me. Coldest night of 1908. Great night out. Second best friend after Nancy Parmalee,

    great dinner. Sara, you are my best friend.

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  56. prospero said on March 24, 2011 at 9:15 pm

    So its freexing cold, I sent you a video that shows s0ws emjoying springm . I give up Mamcy, I can’t do anything right. And I knew you;d like that.Becase wh wouldn;t. Because I missed the business about protecting the turf off season. No, my ears work. I get it,,It’s like drop rotation. My IQ is somewhere around 160. If I annoy you, its got nothing to do with intelligence I know, I’m ruder than your contributors. I see people giving too much respect to nitwits and it annoys the shit out of me. I know you believe that if we have government, one of the reasons is to take care of folks that can’t take care of themselves.. If we have anything to do with Jesus as a government, that is exactly what we are supposed to do. If people claim Jesus, and they don’t intend takink care of the least, they are stealing government. Seriously, that is bad.

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  57. prospero said on March 24, 2011 at 9:37 pm

    So its freexing cold, I sent you a video that shows s0ws emjoying springm . I give up Mamcy, I can’t do anything right. i thought you’d actually enjoy it. Cows kidking in the fields. They actually but t heads, females acting like it’s just fun. And I knew you;d like that.Becase wh wouldn;t. Because I missed the business about protecting the turf off season. No, my ears work. I get it,,It’s like drop rotation. My IQ is somewhere around 160. If I annoy you, its got nothing to do with intelligence I know, I’m ruder than your contributors. I see people giving too much respect to nitwits and it annoys the shit out of me. I know you believe that if we have government, one of the reasons is to take care of folks that can’t take care of themselves.. If we have anything to do with Jesus as a government, that is exactly what we are supposed to do. If people claim Jesus, and they don’t intend takink care of the least, they are stealing government. Seriously, that is bad. Way back, way back, I know you’ve read Riddley Walker? Know? Whos’s to say nobodody knows way bavkck? And there’s the little shining man, the adom. and what we say?
    We’ll blow our of ourselves up. Whatever you say. This is horseshit, are you you dumb as grunt? They;re buried under the ground. And they’ll kill us. And that;s a fact jack. So we dig this shit up and don’t have a clue what it will produce. It is unquestionably dangerous and very bad for us.. IThe spent rods wew always exceptionally bad and there was never a way to dispose of them.

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  58. prospero said on March 24, 2011 at 9:44 pm

    Poison yourselves or take it easy. Figure out what to to do with nuke fuel rods? Seriously? Put them in ponds on top of the containments? That is looney.

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  59. prospero said on March 24, 2011 at 11:04 pm

    One beautiful woman, and joan Rivers is a grotesque scrawnyscarecrow; Shouldn’t she have just shut the fuck up? What a sorry eccuse for a wraith? Joan Rivers made fun of Liz Raylor? This woman is the poster child for bad plastic surgery and she made fun of somebody else? Seriously, Joan Rivers makes fun of Liz. Taylor? What an asshole? Joahn Rivers? please. Has she ever been anything but fairly york she”s disgustusting looking. Tje is just a person that loook like she was made up as a zombie. Nancy. you really don’t do yourself well connecting with Joan Rivers. Shes an asshole.
    No joke Nancy, I don’t see connecting with the walking dead like Joan Rivers. She’ss not funny by any stretch. She’s revolting. She’s pretty much like the liviving dead. She’s revolting. You got that?NNCY. NO SHIT. I MEAN FIE AHUURE. I DONT NEABN SHIT ABOUT ANY OF THIS THIS, ICARE ABOUT GETTING ALL Y’LL OUT OF OF THIS SHIT, YOU Havw to bwliwve I wanr ro get you out . So whar I sY bout xoming out ia truw, .. Whar I say sat is a fact. Whwn I say it we do it. Lwet’s go…

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  60. prospero said on March 24, 2011 at 11:20 pm

    THE COWS ARE A Lke thiis shiw. ND IT’S GONNA GET JACKAED. . How in the world do people lie. My way of lieinng is all about

    frasier. who isn’t a liar about anyrhrhing, and he never told a lie about being a Mountie, zzigned to the

    chicago PD. ns sworn BAOLUTELY RO RWOOINFG THE TRUTH.Watching this video it’s easy to believe that free range cattle produce superior milk, and that the whole process is healthier for all involved.This is bullshit for this ro get canned, Whet heVY bit the Wire, They stole that from Homicide in the first place All that nitty-gritty they just stole that from honicide. That all they stolee from honicide. If it wasn’t the araber isn the box, tht qA QhT YIU TRIED RO XCLAIM.

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  61. Dexter said on March 25, 2011 at 1:48 am

    Joan Rivers is still an active comedian, still writing jokes on cocktail napkins, still highly respected by her peers, loved by damn nearly everybody who knows about comedy, the timing, the way to deliver…and funny s ever, funny as hell.

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  62. prospero said on March 25, 2011 at 7:36 am

    Joan Rivers making fun of Elizabeth Taylor is one sad surgery- and anorexia-addled goulish wraith that wishes she was Liz Taylor.

    Somebody talented. There is really no excuse but reality TV. She is revolting, and so stupid and crass, she plunges the country into stupidity and crassness. People pay this scrawny facially deformed asshole for her Depends comments? I seriously doubt she ever wrote a joke of her own. She’s a crone. and she ought to just move along, she’s revolting. There is really no excuse for Joan Rivers aside from giving her no talent grotesque daughter gainful employmentThey are both jerks with serious problems with envy of people a lot better looking than they are. And they make a living commenting on how other people look. So….

    Joan Rivers in her prime was a Merv Griffin wannabe comedian. If she made a joke about Liz Taylor and a microwave, she was going to some aspect of Christian Troy to have her face carved the next day. What a hypocrite and what a jackass. And she made herself throw up the salad, immediately. Anorexia is sad for kids. For Oldtimers, it’s probably fatal. What is wrong with this idiot?
    She may have been funny once, about Lime Edgar, Now she is revolting, and so stupid it’s hard to believe.

    People watch Dancing With the Stars. Who’s the star? Hines Ward? Kate Gosselin was the star. Who the fuck? This is an abusive mother and an abusive eife. This is somebody America tunes in for? What the hell is wrong with my country? Best football player other than a QB in at least 30 years. And if guys don’t look up, and they get nailed. that is football you assholes and stop whining you got undressed. That’s what he’s paid to do. That’s football you little pricks.

    But I find it hard to believe anybody is standing up for that useless bitch Joan Rivers. She’s bascally become a bad imitation of Kathy Griffin, or whatever her name is. Joan Rivers doesn’t like Natalie Portman’s dress? She wishes she looked like that and ever had that sort of talent. And she’s trying to get with Huckleberrybee. She is a total ahole. And she looks like a ghoul in a zombie movie. Actually, she looks exactly like one of those alienswith the fucked-up faces in They Live. Maybe No. 3 in best movies.

    Sorry, I think Joan Rivers is a germ that is everything wrong with TV these days. Every joke she makes sounds like it’s about her scarred body, and she doesn’t understand she’s a parody of herself. She is America dumbing down and probably a big fan of Bachmann and Palin. In the end, she looks like Jack Nicholson playing the Joker, and Natalie Portman looks like herself, and probably has the brains to leave it that way, like Jodie Foster, who won’t ever look her age, because she’s just gorgeous.

    Left to nature, Joan Rivers would probably look a lot like Phyllis Diller, these days, from whom she stole shamelessly. And Ms. Diller is way dead. Joan Rivers is an asshole and her envy of beautiful women with way more talent does not become her.

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  63. prospero said on March 25, 2011 at 7:53 am

    JoaRivers joke. About the microwave. Stop. Don’t hurry, I still have to puke up the last two pop-tarts. That is one odious excuse for a human being.

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  64. prospero said on March 25, 2011 at 9:13 am

    A girl? A woman in full. Not Lillian Hellmann, but a woman in full. She was brilliant as a girl. National Velvet was a great movie. Who was the best kid actor that actually became an adult actor? Drew Barrymore is obvious. She was a terrific kid actor, and those are rare, She’s extremely good in adult comedies too. And she is so cute it’s amazing, Natalie Portman with the heavy in The Professional was stunning. Maybe better than Jodie Fosterin Taxi Driver. Both of these women have Ivy degrees and Joan Rivrrs can eat her sislife on a cold plate. What a sad bitch? People passed her by, and did everything she wanted to do. So she slags what they wear on the crpet. That’s sad.

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