Where is Nance?
Deborah said on April 28, 2012 at 12:53 pm
Whole Foods in Ann Arbor?
coozledad said on April 28, 2012 at 1:17 pm
You’re not in Timberlake.
Connie said on April 28, 2012 at 3:05 pm
FFRF is the Freedom from Religion Foundation. What that has to do with where you are I have no clue.
Connie said on April 28, 2012 at 3:14 pm
Have you gone to see James Randi in Ann Arbor?
James said on April 28, 2012 at 3:24 pm
brian stouder said on April 28, 2012 at 3:34 pm
On the road to perdition and eternal damnation in hellfire!
Or, judging from the nice chair and carpet, in the dining room
Dave said on April 28, 2012 at 4:25 pm
HQ in Madison, per their website but have you made a rush trip to help erect billboards in Colorado Springs (where I’m sure they’ll be a hit).
beb said on April 28, 2012 at 5:11 pm
Yesterday or today I read an article linked from somewhere about how serious religious conservatives are about Secular Humanism as being a real religion and therefore the great enemy of Christianity. Seems a 60s Supreme Court decision on religious freedom unwisely listed Secular Humanism along with Buddhism, Judaism, and others as a religion. So when the Christianists see something that looks like the government favoring secular humanism rather than seeing that the state is trying to avoid establishing a religion they actually see it as the state establishing the religion of Secular Humanism. What a beautiful formulation, the more he government tried to be neutral the more the Christianists feel victimized.
All the more reason to remove all tax exemptions from religions. If no body gets a tax break then nobody is being “established.”
Charlotte said on April 28, 2012 at 7:23 pm
Here’s my guess: https://www.facebook.com/events/367293383290110
National Protest Against the War Against Women —
(I know because I’m guilty of not going to Helena with the local delegation.)
Connie said on April 28, 2012 at 10:00 pm
I don’t know Charlotte. When I checked earlier this week the only National Protest event in Michigan was in Lansing. Would Nancy drive to Lansing again on her weekend? Especially this week?
James said on April 28, 2012 at 10:41 pm
YOU ARE MISS CITIZEN FAIR!!!
(did I win?)
Prospero said on April 28, 2012 at 11:11 pm
Burning Man? Running of the Bulls?
Dexter said on April 28, 2012 at 11:16 pm
Here’s the Facebook page:
Prospero said on April 28, 2012 at 11:49 pm
Neverland? Brobdingnag? Erewhon? Armenia , Armenia, City in the Sky?
Prospero said on April 29, 2012 at 9:47 am
Aides humanize Willard. Relate clever prank about someone getting fired. What a hilarious guy.
alex said on April 29, 2012 at 11:00 am
beb @ 8—
When Christians whine about how persecuted they are, I relish in reminding them how blessed they are to have Ramadan and Yom Kippur as holidays from work with full pay.
Strident evangelicals seem to believe that those of other beliefs or nonbeliefs share the same fervid desire to convert everyone else. Hence the old chestnut about homosexuals “recruiting” others. They also can’t grasp the concept of neutrality because as far as they’re concerned theirs is and always has been the official state religion and it’s their wicked fellow citizens who have led the country astray from what the Founding Fathers surely intended.
Nance could tell you a great story about a former newspaper colleague who wrote a scathing commentary—never published owing to the good sense of the paper’s management, at that time anyway—about how wrong it was for religious leaders to hold an ecumenical service in recognition of the 9/11 tragedy. He was livid at the idea that all of these “false religions” were being afforded equal billing at an event where his own sect should rightfully have been in charge of things.
Poor baby. He’s got politicians licking his ass. I don’t remember any politician ever courting the atheist vote.
beb said on April 29, 2012 at 11:16 am
There is no one more hated than an atheist. I love the line from, I think it was Richard Dwarkins, who said “I believe n God, just one less than you do.”
Prospero said on April 29, 2012 at 11:27 am
This takes some monumental brass balls to claim:
One of Mitt Romney’s top advisers said Saturday that President Obama’s decision to bailout Chrysler and General Motors was actually Romney’s idea.
“[Romney’s] position on the bailout was exactly what President Obama followed. I know it infuriates them to hear that,” Eric Fehrnstrom, senior adviser to the Romney campaign, said.
“The only economic success that President Obama has had is because he followed Mitt Romney’s advice.”
“The fact that the auto companies today are profitable is because they’ve shed costs,” Fehronstrom said. “The reason they shed those costs and have got their employee labor contracts less expensive is because they went through that managed bankruptcy process. It is exactly what Mitt Romney told them to do.”
Especially when this is still readily available on the interwebs:
Just fracking lying, flat out.
Re Alex’s point: Within the Catholic Church, antipathy for ecumenicism is the only possible rational explanation for the preference among the establishment for J2P2 over the far greater man and Pope, John XXIII, Angelo Roncalli.
Prospero said on April 29, 2012 at 11:33 am
That Etch-a-Sketch in full jiggle mode quote from Fehrnstrom is from this piece on The Hill website:
Right Eric, like the Unions weren’t equal of better productive partners in the auto industry comeback, you ahole. In Romneyworld, they had to be vanquished and subjugaated to the robber barons. I can’t believe the RMoney campaign stands a real chance with that sort of public stance.
edit: And all of that info on the Windsock auto bailout boondoggle attempt by Willard originated at Crooks and Liars. This lie is so egregious, it’s like claiming Seamus never rode on the roof. I mean, the bogusness of the claim is so enormous, it would insult Jerry Lewis’ or Pauly Shore’s intelligence. Surely voters aren’t that fracking stupid.
Prospero said on April 29, 2012 at 11:49 am
Not to deprecate LDS, but Lying for the Lord is a well-accepted principal in that religion.
As that former LDS Bishop said,
I believed a list of prevarications presented in the proper context would prove that lying wasn’t actually lying.
Damn, sounds a whole lot like John Kyl’s idea about the relationship between GOPers and facts.
Prospero said on April 29, 2012 at 2:19 pm
Today’s the 20th anniversary of the Rodney King riots, after the fantasy verdict letting the cops off, in Simi Valley.
Happy birthday, Tommy James:
In an interview in todays’ NYT Review of Books, Madeleine Albright says she’s a fan of Walter Mosley’s. I think that is very cool, both because I agree wholeheartedly and because her clear nonchalance about what anybody else might think of or expect from her is refreshing. Walter Mosley’s books are serious lit intended obviously for readers for pure pleasure of reading. Ex-Secretaries of State are supposed to read boring books by Zbiegnew Brszinski, right? Not anything enjoyable like an EZ Rawlins mystery.
coozledad said on April 29, 2012 at 2:44 pm
Firing this guy isn’t enough. There should be hate crimes legislation that guarantees him life without parole:
Cleveland radio personality Dominic Dieter, a surely sonorous voice that squawks to every morning to listeners of the Rover’s Morning Glory Show on “The Buzzard” 100.7 FM WMMS, gave a father who wrote to the station worrying about whatever to do about catching his daughter kissing another girl some of the worst advice ever, facetious or otherwise. Dieter responded to the letter on-air, telling the father, “You should have one of your friends screw your daughter straight.
H/T Digby, from Jezebel
Prospero said on April 29, 2012 at 7:36 pm
79th Anniversaryof The Catholic Worker, a publication I believe upholds what I believe Jesus’ words enjoin us to, like social justice as the basis of Christian behavior. It would be hard to argue that an increase in legitimately Christian behavior wouldn’t have a beneficial effect on society in general, whether you believe Jesus was God’s son or just a very good man.. But maybe in believing that people should consider others as their primary concern, as Jesus taught, I’m just being naive. Professional and political Christians are a disgrace to Christian doctrine, and paragons, so to speak, of WJWND. Fortunately, these whited sepulchers and hypocritical pharisees don’t damage my own faith. I’ve always found the Great Commandments pretty easy to buy into. And no matter what Franklin Graham might think about Chuck Colson making a bundle out of his bogus prison outreach, and no matter what sort of mountainous bucks GOPers can pour into similar scams in Jesus’ name., I know what Matthew 22 and First John 4:21 say. And I’m no Jesus freak or “pentecostal” Catholic. My religious faith comes directly from the works of Teillhard, the great Jesuit scientist and phenomenologist theologian, and from Imitation of Christ, by Thomas a’ Kempis. I learned these sources from my Dad, a very good man, and from my favorite cleric, John Donovan, SJ, a college theology professor and lifetime family friend. I take this stuff very seriously, and I’m aware it is uncharitable and unChrist-like to point out that the public political religious practitioners are weak as hell on theology, but it is true nevertheless, and I think it’s a humbling moral imperative to point it out.
Anyway, today’s another anniversary I am shocked not to see saluted by members of the NN Village Green Preservation Society Tory Royalists from just a year ago. Wills and Kate, send a footman out for one of those KY his and hers things, and make a baby damnit.
And cooz, tht guy should be throw in General Population and labeled “short eyes”.
beb said on April 29, 2012 at 7:55 pm
Prospero @18: Shortly before moving to blog at rachelmaddow.com Steve Beren observed that while all politicians lie from time to time Mitt Romney lies all the time. So he started a weekly feature on the biggest lies from Romney for that week. It continues on his Maddow blogging, usually on Friday night. Claiming to have had the idea of the Auto bailout before Pres. Obama did is the sort of bald-faced lie that Romney persists in. But the question remains, what do you do when your opponent lies blantantly, constantly and outrageously? Ocassionaly the mainstream media kind of picks up on Romney’s lying but most of the time they just let it ride. It is apparently not their job to tell the truth.
Prospero said on April 29, 2012 at 8:25 pm
beb, Mittster claimed for the last year and an half that the auto bailout was all wrong, until the MoCos paid the loans back. If he get’s away with this shit, it makes Bush v. Gore look like nothing in the takeover of a country by fooling the incredibly stupid.
Prospero said on April 29, 2012 at 8:32 pm
It’s a foundation of LDS that Lying for the Lord allows theocratic ethics, as in the rubes are so fucking dumb, they can’t be entitled to the truth. Who is going to trust this whack job magic underpants jerk? I leave religion out of politics, but this is not really something a responsible voter could ignore.
Prospero said on April 29, 2012 at 8:42 pm
What if Etch Stretch had tried this bullshit before his MI primary. Frothy would have kicked his sorry Wonderbread ass black and blue. This lie is monstrous. Look up enormity and you get the description of a lie this outrageous.
brian stouder said on April 29, 2012 at 10:09 pm
For the record, I would forget about Mitt’s religion, and just focus on what that individual says, and what he allows his campaign to say (both about himself, and the president).
I will never forget all that “Guhmint Motors” bullshit, back at crunch-time. If these lying bastards want to say that the bailout was their idea, then they have to admit that their statements – back when the chips were actually down – were flatly dishonest and calculated for political gain at the expense of the United States…one might even call them unpatriotic, if one is not in a forgiving mood.
The president hit it exactly right, at the always-entertaining White House Correspondent’s dinner, when he compared the Republigoon primary race to The Hunger Games, wherein a dozen participants jump into a fight to the end, with wealthy anonymous backers sponsoring them as systematically finish off one another.
Connie said on April 29, 2012 at 10:57 pm
Or perhaps you covered the Pamela Gellar anti-Islam event in Dearborn this weekend.
Deborah said on April 29, 2012 at 11:09 pm
Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on April 29, 2012 at 11:14 pm
Deborah is clearly reacting to the city, in re: “Mad Men.”
Hat tip to Prospero on “The Catholic Worker” anniversary. Dorothy Day is a saint of a sort that even a Protestant like me can appreciate, but I also have to acknowledge that April 29 is the feast day of Catherine of Siena; I told a very Protestant friend of mine who was going to Tuscany to say hello to Catherine for me if she got to Siena — her tour did go there, she mentioned my “request” to the guide, and she swiftly diverted them to the church where her relics abide. I got a very disconcerted DM on Twitter that day: “You could have told me they’d take me to her mummified head, you freak!”
I thought everyone knew that . . .
Prospero said on April 29, 2012 at 11:36 pm
beb, you are a Lions fan I figure. Why take that charactwer instead of Brandon Boykin? Them dawgs are sure as shit Lions.
Prospero said on April 29, 2012 at 11:40 pm
Jeff, it’s a great paper. And rank and dile Catholics velieve in social justicce, even if it means some Raygun asshole shoots a prelate at the communion rail, That is how assholes on the right support Catholics.
Fuxk them, big time.
MichaelG said on April 29, 2012 at 11:40 pm
Some years ago I had a job in the area. On the occasion of one site visit I had some time so I decided to pass by the intersection of Florence and Normandie. What an absolutely undistinguished spot. It could have been anywhere. I wasn’t surprised.
Dexter said on April 30, 2012 at 5:55 am
OMG…I and Mrs. Dexter aka Carla Lee and a town cop just spent four hours in cars trying to catch my escaped dog who would not jump in the car. What a way to spend my sleep ours. Now it’s six A.M. The dog finally got tired and jumped into the police cruiser. BAD dog!
Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on April 30, 2012 at 7:41 am
By the way, my guess on the photo — an OfA phone bank in someone’s home on Saturday?
beb said on April 30, 2012 at 8:00 am
Prospero @32: I am not, nor have I ever been a fan of Professional sports. The only thing worst than religion — sports fans.
beb said on April 30, 2012 at 8:17 am
Bloggage for a rainy Monday morning.
E. L. Doctorow writes a short primer on how to create American Unexceptionalism in four easy steps.
An Yahoo has a bried news item about two girls being killed hit by a car while sunbathing on a Pennsylvania road.
No explanation if the girls were literally in the road, or why they thought sunbathing there was a good idea. We have kids play basketball in the street all the time. It’s very annoying when you have to drive past them, but sunbathing in the road? Also, it must be a lot warmer in PA over the weekend then it was here in Detroit because it was light jacket weather here.
Connie said on April 30, 2012 at 9:33 am
One more idea. Perhaps you went to the big skeptical students event in Chicago. Are you ever going to actually tell us?
nancy said on April 30, 2012 at 9:35 am
I was in Madison. But I got back too late to blog last night. Monday is officially a writeoff. Frolic away in the open thread.
Deborah said on April 30, 2012 at 9:53 am
Was it a reporting gig in Madison, regarding the upcoming election?
nancy said on April 30, 2012 at 9:56 am
It was a 60th birthday party for an old friend. Very nice time.
Bitter Scribe said on April 30, 2012 at 10:16 am
They also can’t grasp the concept of neutrality because as far as they’re concerned theirs is and always has been the official state religion and it’s their wicked fellow citizens who have led the country astray from what the Founding Fathers surely intended.
Jesus himself said, “He who is not with me is against me.” So for those who presume to speak exclusively in his name, it’s the next logical step.
Connie said on April 30, 2012 at 10:21 am
And the skeptic students were in Madison, not Chicago, my mistake. But close, so close.
Hattie said on April 30, 2012 at 10:52 am
Ah, Madison. Where the pushback is in full swing. Would that I could be there!
alex said on April 30, 2012 at 10:59 am
And here I thought that shit was Dubya’s invention. Frigging dog-whistler.
JWfromNJ said on April 30, 2012 at 10:59 am
I’m hoping this election is determined on the issues and not silliness like Mitt’s mutt or attacks on his beliefs or more of the same Obama is a muslim crap.
That being said I do find the whole LDS belief set to be far more whacky than creationist born-again stuff. It’s the whole rejection of logic and science thing, but doing it on a more recent time frame when we have a lot of evidence to support the lack of a civiliztion in North America that the mormons claim existed after Christ.
This election will likely be a bad thing for the LDS church in terms of public scrutiny, and I don’t think the most negative stuff will come from the left, it will be from sniping on the right who would rather lose and wait four years than win with Mitt.
Connie said on April 30, 2012 at 11:39 am
OK newspaper people, this is certainly the strangest saw it in the newspaper happening of my life. My mother died 20 years ago. Imagine our surprise to see her picture in the Grand Rapids Press last week. Our best guess is that she and the then little girl in the picture were having radiation or chemo together. http://photos.mlive.com/grandrapidspress/2012/04/anya_maciulewski_prepares_for_2.html . Both my brother and I have contacted the reporter but no replies yet. Any comments on this wierdness? Obviously the woman who is the child in the picture provided the picture but the caption implies it could be her father.
Just heard from reporter who insists it is the girl’s father. Ha! My father, brother and several cousins agree that it is my mother. This is now even weirder.
Dorothy said on April 30, 2012 at 11:59 am
Can you provide a different picture of your mom from about that time frame, Connie, to prove your point? Very odd, indeed.
JWfromNJ said on April 30, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Connie – I think you and your family are in a better position than anyone to know what your mother looked like at the time.
The watch and arms may be suggesting to the reporter that the subject was a male but I would hope he considered your opinion.If you’re sure then see if you can provide another image or two and go to their editor – especially if you know your mom met the subject of the story during her treatment. Odd indeed.
Jolene said on April 30, 2012 at 1:05 pm
Of course, I didn’t know your mother, Connie, but the person in the picture looks like a man to me. The face not absolutely, but the shape of the shoulder, arm, hand, and watch are distinctly masculine.
Connie said on April 30, 2012 at 1:09 pm
My husband enlarged the picture and now we are all wondering. Perhaps she had a male “twin” , after all her father was adopted. Arms seem sort of male to me, but she was not a girly girl. We will continue to be puzzled.
Judybusy said on April 30, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Jw: Ironically, due to their bizarre belief in settlement by the lost tribes in Mexico, the LDS has made significant contributions to the science of archeology–the “how-to” aspect, anyway. Kinda like how their belief in post-death conversion led to the helpful massive database on ancestry. I believe I read this in a Smithsonian magazine article within the last two years, but couldn’t find it online. Of course, rationale archeologists have long disputed their theories.
Deborah said on April 30, 2012 at 1:18 pm
Connie, wouldn’t the dates/ages be all wrong? The little girl in the photo was 2, she is now 27. So that was 25 years ago. How old would your mother have been 25 years ago? The person in the photo looks like a man in his mid to late 30s to me. I don’t know how old you are, younger than me I believe.
Rana said on April 30, 2012 at 2:28 pm
Regarding political lying, I don’t think that these days there’s any downside to it, even for the most egregious cases.
One, the press isn’t going to take the time to call it out, especially if it happens often (because then the news would devolve down to lists of fact-checking, which I don’t see happening).
Two, the public (especially the ones to the right, as part of their small-government mentality) already thinks of politicians as liars, so having that confirmed doesn’t affect their perceptions that much (and pointing out lies can backfire if the political rival pointing them out comes across as a scold, because if all politicians are liars, then that person must also be a hypocrite).
Three, even if the public is outraged by the lie and understands the nature of the lie, the mere existence and discussion of the lie means that the general understanding of the truth gets muddied, as it can no longer be said without a long caveat about the errors out there. (Witness what has happened with climate change, with Swiftboating, with Saddam Hussein and 9/11, with Rush and Fluke, etc.)
It’s rather depressing.
Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on April 30, 2012 at 2:32 pm
Alex, keep in mind that Jesus may have just been angling for the Loaves & Fishes account.
Archaeology and the LDS/FARMS folk . . . where to start? And I can’t, because we have to teach police officers how to deal with school calls where a kid goes ballistic when called to the office and starts throwing & destroying everything within their 7-10 year old reach. Hint: you legally can’t actually touch them, so that limits your range quite a bit. For some patrol officers, it limits their field of view considerably, to where they’re effectively blind.
Somebody remind me tomorrow about the LDS & archaeology link, and I’ll make it worth your while. Teasers: Short version and Longer version. We’re working on a book (longest version?) that will probably not get done until one of us retires.
Dave said on April 30, 2012 at 4:36 pm
Connie, only you know your mother but that sure looks like a man with a hairstyle common then, and that wristwatch seems like a unlikely choice for most women.
My sister lived in Utah for several years, if they couldn’t convert you, they tended to ignore you. I was struck then by the fact that when she lived there, only one member of the Utah legislative body was not LDS. I remember reading a book back then that discussed the total lack of archaeological evidence for the Mormon story, to say nothing of their constant revision, not only of the Book of Mormon, but Joseph Smith’s discovery and revealing of the Book of Mormon.
beb said on April 30, 2012 at 4:57 pm
Mormon’s are the only cult that believes it’s OK to lie to outsiders. Scientologists think that way as well. Where this gets interesting is that Matt Romney has gone on record as saying his favorite book is Battlefield: Earth by Scientologist creator L. Ron Hubbard. Within the SF community Battlefield: Earth is considered among the worst books ever written. So for someone to call this their all-time favorite books bespeaks a low-bar for good writing. The other thing is that it makes one wonder if Romney is not just a Mormon but a scientologist as well? Not that it’s possible to be both, that would be kind of being a Buddhist Christian. Of course it would explain why he feels doubly free to lie to others.
Dexter said on April 30, 2012 at 5:40 pm
My friend, my older brother, and I spent a long weekend in Madison back in 1984, celebrating the 75th anniversary of The Progressive Party at the old LaFolette homestead. It was a catered picnic, bratwurst and salads and a few kegs of Point beer. After lunch we assembled for speeches; there was quite an array of lefties. An old columnist , the great Sidney Lens spoke. I was glad to hear him because he passed on shortly after that.
The highlight of the day was meeting and having a conversation with Studs Terkel. Studs was impressed that a teacher and two factory workers would rent a van and bring bicycles and ride out to the homestead for The Progressive’s party…after all, the entire assemblage was lefty intellectuals and nobody was under about sixty years of age.
Studs spoke, and then he came back over to us and arranged an interview with us for The Progressive’s newsletter. Molly Teuke interviewed us about our association with the party and how we came to come from Ohio and Illinois to Madison for a picnic.
We had been introduced to the magazine and the party by Bert Wolfe of Bellevue, Ohio, a longtime activist who was born in 1892. In his early years, Bert was railroad union activist and one time actually shook the hand of Eugene V. Debs. Bert knew all about Bughouse Square in Chicago, and had mounted a soapbox there himself a few times, speaking of socialism and sundry topics.
It’s hard to realize Bert has been gone thirty-one years now, Studs would have been one hundred this year also. My subscription to The Progressive was not renewed when I retired.
I have been to and through Madison several times since that weekend, but the time I remember is nineteen eighty four.
And Miss Teuke did a great job on the newsletter.
Four years later I sent a letter of congratulations to Studs for his 1988 Pulitzer. He sent me an inscribed copy of “Hard Times”. It is one of my most prized possessions.
alex said on April 30, 2012 at 5:47 pm
Mitt Romney would take credit for the Nazi holocaust if he thought he could gain from it politically. I bet three quarters of his low-information base have already been convinced that Romney, not Obama, was responsible for the capture of Osama bin Laden.
Kaye said on April 30, 2012 at 6:24 pm
Dexter, I appreciate your stories of the places you have traveled and the people you have met. The level of detail is amazing as is the breadth of the territory covered, both geographic and sociological.
Deborah said on April 30, 2012 at 6:28 pm
I’ve mentioned this here before, Bughouse square is a couple of blocks from where I live, it’s my favorite place in Chicago in early spring because it has a ton of flowering trees. Great story Dexter.
Connie said on April 30, 2012 at 10:35 pm
Deborah, my mother would have been 51. Our consensus now is that it is not her, but could certainly be her twin brother. As for my age due to assorted comments over the years I know I am two years older than Nancy.
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