Halloween fell on a Wednesday this year, which is the night I take Kate downtown for her music-lessonin’, and I take myself out for a midweek drink. People think of Halloween in Detroit in terms of arson and mayhem, but there’s also this:

And that can only mean?


Right outside where I was planning to eat dinner, too. No problem — I’ve been doing this long enough I know the alternate parking places. So I parked, fed the meter, and took a few snaps:

The pizza has something to do with the band, but frankly, I’m afraid to Google it. On the whole, though, they’re nice kids. I asked before every picture. People are nice when you ask. Note the license plate — South Dakota.

And face it: Nobody takes the trouble to get dressed like this and doesn’t want people to pay attention.

Whoop-whoop! Fam-i-ly! Fam-i-ly!

You can watch this, if you really want to know more. A rare short documentary that’s worth the 24 minutes or so it takes to watch.

And that’s about all I have today. Juggalos. Oh, here’s Tom Nardone, the head of the Mower Gang, on Conan last night. A little late for pumpkin-carving, but not a bad segment.

The days tick ever-closer to election day, when my life will get a lot easier. Yours too, I suspect.

The week is on a downslope. Enjoy it.

Posted at 12:07 am in Detroit life, Popculch |

61 responses to “Whoop-whoop.”

  1. Dan B said on November 1, 2012 at 12:28 am

    I’m not exactly up on the iconography of juggalo-dom, but I know far too much about animation from the 80s and early 90s. And the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles loved pizza. So I’m guessing that said pizza goes with his TMNT costume (no, I don’t know them well enough to identify which turtle he’s dressed as). It may also have an ICP meaning, but given that nobody else seemed to have one, it’s probably just a turtles reference.

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  2. Deborah said on November 1, 2012 at 1:07 am

    I didn’t know what the title of your post meant until I watched the documentary. Those kids mostly sound like crazy people. On the other hand Little Bird has a friend who has a masters degree who went to the gathering once. She said she was just curious to see what it was like.

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  3. Deborah said on November 1, 2012 at 1:17 am

    And speaking of clowns, I saw a woman in the plaza today that had gotten herself a pair of duck lips. At first I thought it was a costume, I could not stop staring. Her whole face was all botoxed up to the point that it was shiny. that’s the first time I had seen a real person in the flesh like that, I had only seen photos before. Good lord what makes anyone think that looks good?

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  4. Sherri said on November 1, 2012 at 2:45 am

    Anybody want some Halloween candy? We were low on trick-or-treaters this year, whether of the tourist or native variety. Less than half our total from two years ago, and it wasn’t even raining.

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  5. Linda said on November 1, 2012 at 6:39 am

    Sherri, I thought it was stupid to buy Halloween candy this year (even as I bought it)with the weather cold and damp as it was, but we got over 100 kids this year. Not great, but better than I thought. At least I ran out of candy.

    A few years ago, some Juggalos came to the library where I worked when there was a big ICP meetup in town. We had to throw one out when he came with a big knife stuck through an empty Faygo 2 liter bottle. The makeup etc was fine, but we don’t put up with big knives.

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  6. Connie said on November 1, 2012 at 7:12 am

    Linda, Michigan courts have just ruled that Michigan libraries must put up with big guns, as none of the exemptions apply to public libraries.

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  7. jcburns said on November 1, 2012 at 7:31 am

    Remember when your blog had “the clown file”? Me, i’m glad it’s in a deep, deep sleep.

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  8. beb said on November 1, 2012 at 7:53 am

    Best ad for a Jeep, ever!

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  9. Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on November 1, 2012 at 7:55 am

    Yep, the ‘za is a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles thing. But we have a lovely Juggalo/Juggalette file at the juvenile court. Yes, they are family as they so loudly proclaim — and like their bio-families, their ICP family can do horrible things to them and tell them it’s love, too.

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  10. Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on November 1, 2012 at 7:57 am

    (That video, by the way, is part of our new employee training here at Juvenile Court. You may or may not consider that an endorsement.)

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  11. Basset said on November 1, 2012 at 8:18 am

    Three trick or treaters last night – next street over had swarms of ’em but ours was pretty much deserted. We put a bowl of candy on the steps and left, when we returned both candy and bowl were gone . Good thing we brought the pumpkins in.

    I have managed, though, to apply superhuman self-denial and not eat a single piece of Halloween candy at work or home. Gotta get that a1c down.

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  12. beb said on November 1, 2012 at 8:18 am

    Watching the evening news last night (Wednesday) was kind of interesting because pretty the whole half-hour was spent on the Presidents visit to New Jersey and NJ’s governor’s profuse praise for the Big O. You can’t (afford) to pay for good publicity like that. And at the same time there were cut-away segments on how fake Romney’s disaster relief party was and Chrysler’s rebuke of Romney’s ad claiming they were moving American Jeep jobs to China. The narrative would appear to be solidifying around Obama deliver’s / Romney flailing wildly. I can live with that.

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  13. nancy said on November 1, 2012 at 8:35 am

    You know what I found most depressing about that video, Jeff? The profanity. And y’all know me — I can be as pottymouthed as the next girl. But when the one girl keeps talking about “this motherfucker here,” I thought, what’s the use of swearing? When “motherfucker” is just another synonym for “guy,” what’s left when you want to insult someone?

    I told Kate, “This is what happens when you grow up in a house where no one has ever cracked a book, Mountain Dew is a breakfast drink, Flamin’ Hot Cheetos is lunch and you have to get your pizza from Little Caesar’s because Domino’s is too expensive.”

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  14. brian stouder said on November 1, 2012 at 9:44 am

    And there we have a sublime lesson in Nancy’s “What’s it about?” and “What’s it really about?” writing style, which Mr Steuver graciously acknowledged yesterday

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  15. brian stouder said on November 1, 2012 at 9:47 am

    (edit to insert “yet another” after the word “have” and before the word “sublime” – dumping the word “a”. I know just enough about writing to know that I cannot do it!)

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  16. Prospero said on November 1, 2012 at 9:57 am

    The great redeeming value of ICP is that they drive Spinmaster O nuts (The Big Loofah takes them boys strangely seriously):


    Happy 68th, Kinky Friedman:


    If you’ve never read any of Kinky’s detective novels, treat yourself to The Love Song of J. Edgar Hoover. Funny as hell, fast read.

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  17. Catherine said on November 1, 2012 at 10:48 am

    On my trick-or-treating rounds last night, 100% of houses with Romney yard signs were closed up, dark, no-candy-for-you. Stingy bastards.

    OK, there were only 2 houses with Romney signs. But still.

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  18. Prospero said on November 1, 2012 at 11:27 am

    Heckuva Job Brownie criticizes the Obama Administration’s Sandy response:


    Good Lord, what a dancing horse’s ass.

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  19. LAMary said on November 1, 2012 at 11:40 am

    Lots of kids in our neighborhood. I went through one of those megabags of stuff from Costco. It had been sampled a bit by the household to make sure it was good enough in the days preceding Halloween, but there had to be at least 150 chocolate thingies in there. Kids took more than one and I’m ok with that.
    Our health insurance here is going to change in 2013, and we were offered big incentives to have a basic physical before Jan. 1. I went for it. Shaving 1400 bucks off a 2000 deductible works for me. And in spite of being 59,not exercising enough, eating stuff like pork stew, and needing to lose a few pounds, I’m disgustingly healthy. Blood sugar,cholesterol levels, blood pressure, and everything else are really good. I’ve got two brothers with type 2 diabetes and on cholersterol and blood pressure meds. Trust me, it’s not anything I’m doing. I just picked the right ancestor to take after.

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  20. brian stouder said on November 1, 2012 at 11:41 am

    Catherine – same for us! Three Romney signs – no candy. We have an FWCS (school) sign in our yard, and gave away a bowl and half of candy; no Obama signs in our neighborhood, although there are more-than-several Obama bumper stickers on cars (including ours) and they all had their porch lights on, so there’s that!

    Chloe (our 8 year old) dressed as a “pop star” – blue and red in her hair, lots of bling, and a faux guitar which all the people handing out candy remarked about.

    As she and I made the rounds, it was just this side of uncomfortably cold and misty, and deteriorating. In fact, I was ready to soldier on to the other half of the neighborhood (as we traditionally do) and SHE was the one who suggested we call it a night. I waited a beat or two – as if I was considering the pros and cons of her suggestion – before agreeing with her assessment of Halloween-2012, and making bee-line for home; her goodies bag was full and heavy, nonetheless

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  21. Bitter Scribe said on November 1, 2012 at 11:47 am

    Giving candy to trick-or-treaters is one of the few things I miss about being married and living in a house. I remember one little boy who had to wear an eyepatch that season for medical reasons (nothing serious—lazy eye or some such thing) and he came to our door that year as a pirate. The obvious choice, but still cuter than hell.

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  22. Prospero said on November 1, 2012 at 11:59 am

    RMoney storm management:


    No wonder the dickhead would rather not talk about his goober-norship.

    Our no-fun condo association will not allow trick or treating. Buncha RMoney supporters, for a fact. Half of ’em are Jerseyites down here to avoid the storm.

    American Airlines defeats 1st Amendment:


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  23. brian stouder said on November 1, 2012 at 12:30 pm

    From Prospero’s truly strange link:

    “One thing he’s gonna be asked is, why did he jump on [the hurricane] so quickly and go back to D.C. so quickly when in…Benghazi, he went to Las Vegas?” Brown says. “Why was this so quick?… At some point, somebody’s going to ask that question…. This is like the inverse of Benghazi.”

    I mean, wow. What would be the best single word to encapsulate this attitude of Brownie’s?



    And, how do we characterize this fellow, who failed so comprehensively in his disaster response, as he attacks the president for responding too quickly?

    Is he simply a charlatan, or a fraud, or an incompetent hack? Or possibly, does he derive gratification from publicly humiliating himself? Why else would he emerge from wherever he went (after his debacle), and plunge into another go-round through heaps of public derision?

    I mean, seriously; this guy looks like another toe-sucker, like that former Clinton guy who is a Fox regular now…or maybe the diaper-clad senator from wherever-the-hell.

    PS – LAMary – excellent news; I’d say you’re doing a lot of things right, or at the very least – avoiding lots of stupid things

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  24. Prospero said on November 1, 2012 at 12:55 pm

    Steve Rattner, auto bailout architect, explains why Mittens’ “managed bankruptcy” would have ended up putting union pension plans into kleptocratic hands while sinking the auto industry forever:

    It is among the most absurd and ridiculous things that the Romney people have been saying. I was there in the Spring of 2009, as you all know, when this was happening. There was no private capital available to these companies whether in bankruptcy, outside of bankruptcy, or standing on their heads on Fifth Avenue. There was no private capital.[…]

    There would have been no exit [from bankruptcy]. If these companies had gone into bankruptcy without government support, they simply could not have functioned. […]

    I’ve challenged Gov. Romney to come up with one person, one company, one fund, one bank, one anything that would stand up and say, ‘yes, I was there in the Spring of 2009 ready to provide private capital and nobody wanted it.’ And he has not done that because there isn’t any such person or entity on this planet. And I am very, very confident of that.

    So, Willard. STFU.

    The strangest thing to me about the continuing Benghazi virulence (McCain brought it up at the RMoney non-political Walmart giveaway in Ohio, too) is that every GOPer’s favorite black lady, Condi Rice told them they are all full of shit on the subject. Widespread Teabanger internet claim right now is that the President watched a live feed of the Benghazi murders. I thought only the phony fabulist, Woodward, has that sort of access.

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  25. alex said on November 1, 2012 at 1:00 pm

    My neighborhood did its trick-or-treating this past Sunday afternoon, and I had to put the bowl of candy outside for a good part of the time because I had two acres of fallen leaves to take care of and really wanted them off the ground while they were still lightweight and dry and combustible.

    I’d purchased one of those giant bags with six different kinds of candy in it. Everything was taken except for the malted milk balls known as Whoppers. Kind of surprising as I always thought those were better than Kit Kats and some of the other shit that was in there.


    beb, I got exactly the same feeling while watching the evening news last night. This election season was pissing me off to no end because the mainstream media have been letting Mitt lie his ass off with nary a challenge most of the time. To bad they didn’t start calling him out on it months ago.

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  26. Prospero said on November 1, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    A day late.

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  27. Julie Robinson said on November 1, 2012 at 1:07 pm

    I got home so late Tuesday that it was actually Wednesday and didn’t even think about running out for candy, so we left the light off this year. Instead we went out for a delayed birthday dinner, along with son Matt, who came over early and asked if I could zombify him. He was in a friend’s zombie movie and was going to the premiere. It was fun walking into the restaurant accompanied by a white Michael Jackson zombie.

    That’s great news, LAMary, and seems like a painless way to reduce your deductible. My mom always thought she’d die young like her own mother, and here she is ticking away at 80, taking after her dad after all.

    Brian, Diane Rehm had a Lincoln scholar with a new book on today. You’d probably enjoy picking up the podcast tonight.

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  28. Prospero said on November 1, 2012 at 1:32 pm

    Excellent Mike Luckovich cartoon:


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  29. Sherri said on November 1, 2012 at 2:10 pm

    Okay, shameless promotion time: a boy I’ve known since he was born has grown up into a wonderful young man, and I’ve been listening to him sing that whole time. He now has a single up on Amazon and iTunes. Check out “Darwin is my Dawg”, by Brian Detlefs and the Altercations.

    (Amazon link: http://www.amazon.com/Darwin-is-my-Dawg/dp/B009WRY2W4 )

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  30. Jenine said on November 1, 2012 at 2:39 pm

    @Basset: “I have managed, though, to apply superhuman self-denial and not eat a single piece of Halloween candy at work or home. Gotta get that a1c down.”
    That is amazing! I will use you as inspiration not to hoover the leftovers.

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  31. mark said on November 1, 2012 at 3:17 pm

    “I thought only the phony fabulist, Woodward, has that sort of access.”

    It’s all rumors and leaks, since the most transparent administration in history isn’t talking. I’m told the leaks are becoming a flood at the State Department, where Susan Rice is popular and respected and there is genuine anger that she, and others, have been thrown under the bus.

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  32. Scout said on November 1, 2012 at 4:17 pm

    I’m inclined to believe there is no “there” there. Wingers are going under and they are clutching at non existent straws with the Benghazi “story.” It’s like it’s all they’ve got to keep hope alive. What’s really amusing is watching the likes of Heckuvajob Brownie, of all people, trying to drag the disaster response discussion into Benghazi. #fail

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  33. Sue said on November 1, 2012 at 4:27 pm

    I think we’re overdue for a dose of juvenile humor.

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  34. coozledad said on November 1, 2012 at 4:28 pm

    Gaddafi ass dead. Bin Laden ass dead. Lots of old Republican assets dead.
    John McCain’s circle of whoring buddies is all dryin’ up and shit. It’s almost enough to make a Fox news viewer want to stick his head in a stove.

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  35. mark said on November 1, 2012 at 4:29 pm

    Here is the “there” for Susan Rice: she will never again occupy or even be nominated to a position requiring Senate approval, as the hearings would delve into the matters that you consider non-existent but Obama considers too embarassing to have discussed. There is much anger about this from her many supporters in the foreign policy community.

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  36. MichaelG said on November 1, 2012 at 4:36 pm

    A woman who works a couple of cubicles down from me and lives in the nice neighborhood about a mile away from me on the other side of the freeway tells me that my whole neighborhood kid population was at her place to trick or treat. They sure weren’t at my house.

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  37. mark said on November 1, 2012 at 4:50 pm

    I didn’t watch the entire documentary, but enough to observe that these Juggalo folk are exceptionally well-fed.

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  38. mark said on November 1, 2012 at 4:51 pm

    A few years from now the Juggalo drug of choice may well be insulin.

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  39. LAMary said on November 1, 2012 at 5:01 pm

    Neither of my parents made it past 60 and I’m nearly there. The grandmothers on the other hand were still being cranky and feisty and eating white bread toast with butter and jam and eggs scrambled in bacon fat well into their eighties.

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  40. alex said on November 1, 2012 at 5:13 pm

    Mark, forget about Susan Rice and listen to Condi Rice. When a former Secretary of State and a Republican says there’s no “there” there, there probably isn’t. Although she’s very likely opening herself up to the same charge as was just hurled at Colin Powell — she’s just putting her race over her party.

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  41. Prospero said on November 1, 2012 at 6:01 pm

    Mark. Bullshit. This Benghazi bullshit is GOPers continuing the “Obama skipped security briefings. Fact is, he didn’t need the PDBs longer than a single page read to him. And the Pretzeldent just sort of let that one about people flying planes into buildings right by like handlebars on a segway. GOPers are so full of shit on this subject, they are ludicrous. Fact one is that the GOP wanted diplomatic security covered by Xe/Blackwater. This company is the shican where psychopaths end up, but they are loyal Bushies. The President was somehow miscreant? These people make shit up out of nimbus. You can’t be expected to be taken seriously if you latch unto this sort of shit. As Secretary Rice says, the President acted on intelligence from the CIA and everybody else in place. Trying to find something Obama did wrong is absurd, and claiming that the President acted inappropriately is horseshit. You can whine all you want. W ignored the “hair on fire”, Obama had no heads up when the shit hit the fan. Whanna claim that isn’t true, Mark? And then there is the obvious thing GOPers want to ignore. Whether or not the riot resulted from the riot over the video, the video was certainly in play and it was most certainly a product of shitheel racist Teabangers. Wanna say that’s not so Mark?

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  42. Prospero said on November 1, 2012 at 6:12 pm

    How does it feel to back a POS that has never told the truth in his life?

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  43. del said on November 1, 2012 at 6:29 pm

    Scout summed up my thought:

    Wingers are going under and they are clutching at non existent straws with the Benghazi “story.”

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  44. coozledad said on November 1, 2012 at 6:56 pm

    This is a handy response to pretty much anything Republicans have to say these days:

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  45. Prospero said on November 1, 2012 at 7:54 pm

    When reactionary assholes attack the President, they claim Obama skipped security briefings. This is hilarious. He didn’t need anybody to read PDBs longer than one page to him. Sorry Mark. Shrubco crashed the economy and Obama has brought it back to healthiest in the world. This Benghazi shit defies Condi Rice and it is unquestionably racist. The President has brought us back from the brink of Shrubco’s ruin. Ain’t that a Muslim bastard intent on ruining America. The anti-Obama crew are clearly racists and whackos.

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  46. Prospero said on November 1, 2012 at 7:59 pm

    Read Article III, Section 3 of the Constitution and try to claim the bastards that signed onto Grover Norquist aren’t traitors.

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  47. Catherine said on November 1, 2012 at 8:12 pm

    Cooz@44, one of the commenters there said it well: “All Trump tweets can be translated into Human as: ‘I am The Donald, and I will say anything to get noticed. Feed me with your yummy attention!'”

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  48. Deborah said on November 1, 2012 at 8:16 pm

    I don’t think the Benghazi story has legs except in the minds of the rightwing. I really don’t think anyone thinks there is/was a flub or misstep except for the winger base. I really don’t.

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  49. ROGirl said on November 1, 2012 at 8:20 pm

    This is too good not to post.

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  50. Prospero said on November 1, 2012 at 8:21 pm

    Those wounded soldiers? Ryan says cut $11billion from the VA. What say Mark and Danny?

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  51. alex said on November 1, 2012 at 10:44 pm

    Mitt’s desperate. So sayeth the liberal media. It’s the other way around if the right-wing echo chamber is to be believed.

    Man, will I sleep easy tonight.

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  52. Dexter said on November 1, 2012 at 10:53 pm

    I love Sean Dunne videos; thanks for posting the Juggalo story. I think I posted it here summer of 2011 when I heard an interview with Sean . I’m too old to be down with the clown, and my grandkids hate Juggalos, and as far as I know there are just two in town here, a Juggalette for the Juggalo, and they are just nice kids when I see them buying stuff in the little neighborhood store.

    A little stressful for me here the past three days as my furnace heat exchanger blew a hole and flames shot out and the pilot light won’t stay lit, and the fan blower mechanism is all worn out…so until tomorrow it’s just a little space heater for me and the dogs. At 7:45 the men come and install the new, modern (no pilot light) furnace. My wife is dog-sitting in Toledo as our daughter is in Florida scouting neighborhoods and homes, as they will be moving as soon as they sell their Toledo house.

    It’s not really cold here yet, but I have on a sweatshirt and a sweater and another sweatshirt and a vest and a wool hat here in the house, so the furnace will be a welcome addition. I don’t like it too hot or too cold.

    Last night I stopped by my brother’s house in Waterloo. Trick or treaters were out, and I saw the best costume of the year. Two kids were dressed up as giant theater-style cups of popcorn, with their heads fixed up to be just another popped kernel of corn.

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  53. Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on November 1, 2012 at 11:01 pm

    Nancy at #13, sadly the answer to your question is “gay.” We’re fighting quite the battle on this word being used as an insult, even as you find more general acceptance of gays & lesbians among working class people. It’s almost an inflection issue: “Hey, I didn’t mean to insult gay people, I said that was “gay,” okay?” and they mean it. But mo-fo slips out pretty casually, and not in two syllables.

    Meanwhile, I had a UDF conversation last night with our adult head of probation, and he has a visceral understanding of why people would support decrim of cannabis, but he has a one word explanation of why he disagrees, and it’s not the two word answer of “job security.”


    As the d4mn stuff is getting cheaper (ridiculously so), they’re seeing many of their usual pot-heads make the jump to heroin. He, the probation head, says that if 100 pot smokers have just 20 that move on to harder drugs, and 10 of those take up heroin, that’s reason enough to keep the bar high for weed.

    I asked him “what about the relative cumulative damage of alcohol?” and he concedes the point, but says that it’s one thing to have booze occasionally reinforce stoners’ detachment from society, and to have the highway exit to heroin use opened up to three lanes. Plus there’s the whole lung cancer aspect.

    Anyhow, anyone who thinks we’ll know who won Ohio before this time next week is optimistic beyond my expectations. I would expect Ohio’s final total to be uncertain through the Macy’s parade and the Dog Show, let alone Black Friday.

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  54. Sherri said on November 1, 2012 at 11:26 pm

    It’s looking more likely that Washington will legalize marijuana. Initiative 502 is polling at 55% among likely voters, and 56% among voters who have already mailed in ballots, according to a new poll released today.

    Same-sex marriage is polling at almost 58%, though the pollsters discount that to 52% to account for “social desirability bias.”

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  55. Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on November 1, 2012 at 11:39 pm

    Oh, I think we’re on a roll, so to speak, for marijuana decrim, but I’m just trying (as are many of us in criminal justice et alia) to figure out what the unintended consequences will look like. I don’t think it’s a disaster — never smoked it, no plans to, but it just doesn’t bother me — I just suspect that decriminalization won’t look the way either side claims.

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  56. Dexter said on November 1, 2012 at 11:43 pm

    Jmmo: It may be New York that holds up the final Electoral College total. Judges may allow extras days to vote for storm-suffering precincts.

    I watched a few of the marijuana shows on TV, showing all the jars of buds , one for each malady…strains that ease pain, strains that produce stress-relieving mellowness, strains that just get your head on the high plane.

    For decades we have heard about the gateway to H is weed. I guess we’ll hear it as long as we live.
    I was a young soldier 42 years ago when a drug-detox unit was established in my unit in Vietnam and with no training I was put in charge of it, so I have been aware of this weed versus heroin argument for many years, and the connection and claim that one leads to the other is just impossible to prove. I knew a few guys who did the heroin we could buy on the street , and I knew a lot of guys who smoked the very strong marijuana we could get at the snap of our fingers. The guys who did the heroin were not bored with marijuana, they just wanted, they craved, the idea of the feeling heroin produced. They were attracted to heroin, and they really didn’t give a damn about weed. They might smoke it to be sociable, but their drug of choice was heroin. The heroin problem was the reason for the detox ward, not the weed. I’m not posting this to pop off like some kind of all-knowing smart ass, I just happened to be exposed to this environment and I saw what a “candy habit” (what the doctors called this instant-addiction GIs got from the heroin) did to young men, and it was not pretty, it was pretty sickening, and then I remember how it was existing in an area where the sweet burn of cannabis was always present, and the connection between the two worlds was non-existent.

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  57. Prospero said on November 1, 2012 at 11:56 pm

    Dexter, I believe almost everything I have ever read anything I ever read anything I have ever read you ever read here. And I love pot and I have used heroin. But the two have nothing to do with each other. They also have nothing to do with reading Jack Kerouac. which I consider toilet paper. Jeff (tmmo) Just say yo from the zombie Nancy Raygun was just bad visuals for anti-drugs. Holy shit that was a scary bitch.

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  58. Catherine said on November 2, 2012 at 12:11 am

    In CA, one of the unintended consequences is corporate interest in growing pot. When that really takes hold, picture prime farmland in the Central Valley in pot instead of cotton or grapes. And, Mendocino County, where pot’s as much as 2/3 of the local economy, is going to go right back to the stone age. You think Mexican drug gangs are bad? Meet Monsanto.

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  59. BigHank53 said on November 2, 2012 at 12:28 am

    The war on drugs summarized in one chart:


    Did you know that 45% of drug overdose deaths are the result of abusing prescription drugs? I’m not at all worried about pot leading to heroin use. There’s already a shit-ton of narcotics out there. Head on down to your local courthouse and see how many people are being busted for possession w/o a prescription.

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  60. del said on November 2, 2012 at 12:33 am

    My friend went to a visitation tonight for a 23 year old who OD’d on heroin. And I have connections to two other 20-somethings who also OD’d recently — one from heroin (I suspect), the other from a heroin like step-off drug (not methadone) administered by his mother when he was trying to quit his addiction. Very sad.

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  61. beb said on November 2, 2012 at 6:58 pm

    We know the effect of pot and we know the effect of alcohol. No one has ever died from smoking pot. Thousands die every year from booze. It’s that simple. If any drug should be banned, it’s booze. But we tried that and the results were worse than letting the drug be available.

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