I said this was going to be a crazy week, and I was right. Posting may be spotty from here on out.
But as long as everyone’s talking about Zimmerman trial jury member B37, here’s a story about her before she was infamous. (WashPost, story quotas may apply.)
I’ll be back. Eventually.
beb said on July 16, 2013 at 7:49 am
So juror B37 was said to have a book deal a brief 36 hours after delivering a verdict, which she has since denied. So is this grounds for a mistrial since a not-guilty verdict would make the book more profitable than a book on a guilty verdict. Thus a book deal could be seen as a sign that she was not being impartial.
When did “Longmire” turn into “24”? Threatening a have a man dragged to death to extract a confession from him seems over-the-top even for Longmire.
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coozledad said on July 16, 2013 at 7:56 am
Shorter Dahlia Lithwick: If you cab find six people in Central Florida who don’t weave feces in their hair and eat fingernail clippings, fuck putting them on a jury: you’ve got yourself a faculty for a community college!
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2013/07/zimmerman_trial_juror_b37_why_did_prosecutors_let_her_on_the_trayvon_martin.html
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beb said on July 16, 2013 at 8:22 am
So the Boy Scouts won’t let fatties in to their annual Jamboree. Wow, what a way to make overweight boys feel good about themselves. And why not fatties? I thought the Jamboree was about camping and hiking. This makes it sound like a Marine Boot camp.
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Jolene said on July 16, 2013 at 9:46 am
Jeff answered your question on Facebook, beb. I’m sure he’ll be here to answer it again at some point during the day. Short version: It’s a safety issue. But I, too, think it’s unfortunate.
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Dorothy said on July 16, 2013 at 10:30 am
It’s unfortunate, but since Jeff said overweight Scouts and Leaders have suffered heart attacks (some died) in the past, it is definitely a health safety issue.
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Pam said on July 16, 2013 at 11:00 am
I had absolutely no expectations of Florida at the start of the Zimmerman trial. I was wrong about that, should have had very low expectations. Listened to NPR yesterday and that helped to understand this seemingly incomprehensible verdict. Still don’t like it much, though.
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brian stouder said on July 16, 2013 at 11:06 am
Greetings from San Diego! We’ve (Grant and I) been here a few days, and I must say, NN.c’s Danny lives in a wonderfully beautiful (and somewhat strange) land.
The flight across the country (from Chicago to LAX) was fascinating, with mostly clear skies. It was somewhat jarring to see the country beneath us switch (pretty abruptly) from green/lush/farms with roads and towns and housing – to sandy brown dessert and desolation.
And, I think LAX is the coolest airport I’ve ever been in.
More later; we’re off to tour the USS Midway
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MichaelG said on July 16, 2013 at 11:29 am
I’m happy to hear you’re enjoying yourself, Brian. The brother of a friend of mine used to be the head guy at the Midway museum. He is retired navy. Then he retired from the museum.
I’ve heard LAX described as many things but never cool. Glad you like the place. One thing, up your alley is the great girl watching there.
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Peter said on July 16, 2013 at 11:31 am
Beb, those comments weren’t fair.
First off, the National Jamboree is being held at the Bechtel reserve in West Virginia, and the topography there isn’t Kansas flat. Our council said that the elevation change from the parking lot to the campsites and activity areas is around 1,000 feet, which is higher than anything found around these parts.
Second, the weight guidelines aren’t exactly strict:
http://www.chicagobsa.org/openrosters/DocDownload.aspx?id=108312
The boys who wouldn’t be allowed to attend are seriously overweight. On top of that, their doctor and parents can sign a waiver, and they still could attend.
The summer camp I (and my son) worked at has had leaders and scouts who’ve had heart attacks over the years, and there’s only about a 200 foot difference between low and high areas. Admittedly, I think almost all of the heart attacks occurred during swim tests and boating trips, which is another issue at Bechtel – I’m sure the water temperature there is at least a few degrees below swimming pool.
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LAMary said on July 16, 2013 at 11:49 am
Brian, while you’re in SD make sure you see the Hotel Del Coronado. Also make sure you eat some good Mexican food, not at a chain but at some place slightly funky. Try tacos al pastor or carnitas with some sort of salsa the doesn’t look like it could come from a jar.
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beb said on July 16, 2013 at 12:13 pm
Dorothy, Jolene, Peter, let me reiterate: This is the Boy Scouts not the Marines. If attendees are having heart attacks maybe one should consider how vigorous the program should be. I’m not saying water it down to where anyone can pass it but when you’re starting to cause heart attacks maybe you’ve gone 10 percent too far.
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Scout said on July 16, 2013 at 12:32 pm
If I could live anywhere, cost no object, San Diego is my top choice. My daughter and SIL and grandkids lived there for 10 years when SIL was in the Navy. They lived on Coronado Island. It definitely made Navy life pretty darn bearable. I was over there as often as I could manage the 5 1/2 hour drive from Phoenix.
Brian, don’t miss Coronado Island and the Hotel del Coronado, also the GasLamp district – there is a great Mex restaurant there that hand makes tortillas. You can view the process through a big plate glass window while you wait to get in, and there’s always a wait. I forget the name, but just describe it and the locals will know. Mission Beach will be fun for your son. Of course there’s Sea World and the SD Zoo, but I’m not kicky about attractions like that.
Listening to Juror B37 on NPR this morning I got the distinct impression she already “knew” George (as she referred to him rather familiarly) was innocent before the trial even began and everything she referenced regarding defense witnesses only served to bolster her preconceived opinion. The fact that the jury went into deliberations with 3 thinking innocent, 2 thinking manslaughter and 1 thinking 2nd degree makes me wonder WTF. This whole thing stinks.
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Charlotte said on July 16, 2013 at 12:35 pm
Brian — that was the 100th meridian you flew over — Wallace Stegner has a terrific book “Beyond the 100th Meridian” about John Wesley Powell and the exploration of the west. For instance — our average annual rainfall up here on the Yellowstone is 16 inches, and we’ve had just shy of 6 inches so far this year. It’s the defining feature of the west — aridity.
And I second LA Mary’s advice — eat real Mexican food from a storefront or food truck.
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Dexter said on July 16, 2013 at 1:13 pm
Speaking of airports, several of the Florida wedding party went through Houston HOU . One of my daughter’s friends made me laugh when she posted on Facebook ” I am never coming to this stinky horrible airport ever again! It smells like pee everywhere!” This must be Hobby Airport…I have never been there. I did enter a Kentucky convenience store on the way down to FL however, and I got my dose of totally overwhelming piss-smell, so bad it burned my damn nose…and this was NOT the toilet, this was all through the store.
Vacations affect me, stimulating my dormant wanderlust. The past two days back here at home, I feel like GOING SOMEWHERE, dammitt!!
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Dexter said on July 16, 2013 at 1:16 pm
Have a great time in San Diego, BrianStouder. Try to get up to La Jolla. Fantastic place.
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Sherri said on July 16, 2013 at 2:12 pm
Republicans worry a lot about moral hazard when it comes to things like food stamps and unemployment insurance; unsurprisingly, the real source of moral hazard in our world is on Wall Street: http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2013/07/15/on-wall-st-a-culture-of-greed-wont-let-go/
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Prospero said on July 16, 2013 at 2:14 pm
I attended a BSA Jamboree at Valley Forge back in the 60’s. That is pretty taxing terrain, but fat kids were few and far between back then. It seems fairly obvious is worried about wrongful death lawsuits that would undoubtedly arise from We took a train from Detroit to NYC and then another to Philadelphia, where I almost managed to get sent home for organizing an air raid that involve dropping water balloons from an 8th story hotel room window. I think the real problem was that we ran out of balloons, and switched to heavier artillery: whole rolls of TP soaked through in the bathtub. We were just standing our ground. I mean, this was back when Wilson Goode’s urban AF was just a gleam in the mayor’s eye.
Regarding the Zimbo acquittal: Somebody correct me if this is erroneous, but it’s my understanding that a defendant that takes the stand creates evidence with his testimony. On the basis of Zimbo’s transparently bogus testimony and his sociopathic denial of any regret or remorse about having killed another human being, I would have voted to lock the nutjob up forever. That nutcase is a danger to society as soon as he gets his gun back, and when he hurts somebody else, the judge, the jury and all the lawyers involved should be brought to account. Actually they should rescind his CClicense, hand him his gun, and arrest his ass immediately for possession of an unlicensed weapon. How’s that lockup thang goin’ fer ya George.
Yep, it’s them liberals that politicized and ‘played the race card’ in the Zimmerman/Martin case. Breitbart is brought back from his new post-mortem residence in hell. Anybody ever noticed that when the wingnuts invoke the New Black Panthers, it’s always accompanied with photos of those two guys in fatigues that Breitbart claimed were suppressing votes for the GOP in an all-black Philadelphia voting district? Yeah, right doof, really likely. Anybody ever see any of those alleged documents offering “bounties” on Zimbo the Magic Wannabe. If that shit had been authentic, some biker gang would have killed him in prison for the cash. And is there a more asinine and odious term in the American politcal lexicon than “playing the race card”? Or more of a dead giveaway of the speaker felling guilty about inherent racism?
I love that Wallace Stegner book, as with everything the guy wrote. The smart Canadian band, The Tragically Hip have a very cool song that shares the title with Stegner’s book. The song even uses the terribly-abused word “enormity” correctly.
And before the shitstorm about DOJ getting involved starts spewing from the maws of the assholes that have spent two days applauding Zimbo for removing a “thug” from the streets, George’s clear profiling and stalking is a de facto violation of his victim’s civil rights. There is a large group of Americans that equate the word “thug” with young black male. I suppose that isn’t racist. Which brings up all the famous slurs on the victim’s character. Are these people so stupid that they believe that claiming Trayvon had THC in his bloodstream made it mor likely that he was agressive. Maybe more frightened of the creepy guy stalking him, but agressive. Being high never caused anybody to pick a fight, in the whole history of marijuana. Ridiculous assertion The nationwide character assassination of the victim in this case is utterly appalling.
I went to a WFL playoff game in Tempe years ago, and ended up in a restaurant in Tempe that was literally a hole in the wall. The Salsa that came complimentarily to our table was so hot ice cold cervezas made the burning worse rather than better. Water didn’t help, just spread the capsaicin around to do more damage. The waiter brought us a small pitcher of creamy cafe con leche, unasked, and that alleviated the pain and fortified us for another assault on the salsa bowl. Most flavorful I’ve ever had by a mile. Much better food that night than football.
If I could live anywhere, cost no consideration, it would be Geneva,CH. Second would be Manhattan, not Kansas. San Diego elects Congressional representatives like the scumbag Duncan Hunter, and his chickenshithawk dad of the same name. Worse than Joe Wilson. NFW on Sand Diego, and our beach is nicer.
Have a great trip, Brian.
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MichaelG said on July 16, 2013 at 2:33 pm
I must have missed something, Pros. When did Zimmerman testify?
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Brandon said on July 16, 2013 at 2:52 pm
Does anyone else notice something going on with the syllabication in comments? For example:
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coozledad said on July 16, 2013 at 2:56 pm
Richard Cohen demonstrates yet again that he’s a stupid racist, as well as a particularly nasty cut of no-writing meat:
http://wonkette.com/522827/richard-cohen-why-did-all-these-black-criminals-shoot-and-murder-trayvon-martin
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Prospero said on July 16, 2013 at 3:24 pm
Michael G: Zimbo said he had no regrets about leaving his car and no regret that a kid was shot dead with his gun. he also claimed he only left his truck to read street signs to tell the cops where the kid was. He’s the watch patroller. Surely he knows the streets one from another, and he did not phone that info to the dispatcher. I’m buying the first part about no regrets, but that street sign stuff is a transparent lie That sort of lie under oath wouldn’t come from an innocent guy. I just don’t buy it.
Photos of all those thuggish black people rioting over the Zimbo verdict.
McDonald’s does consider it’s workers indentured servants. It’s easy to get by if you live in your refrigerator. Lots of space because there is no room in your budgetary allowances for food.
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LAMary said on July 16, 2013 at 3:38 pm
Sea World is pretty crazy expensive. I don’t think the SD Zoo is as bad, and it’s a great zoo.
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mark said on July 16, 2013 at 3:40 pm
Prospero-
What did you think of the job the prosecutors did with the cross-examination of Zimmerman? To me, it was ineffectual, almost like they didn’t ask him any questions at all.
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Scout said on July 16, 2013 at 3:40 pm
I think Pros is quoting GZ’s interview with Hannity, as he didn’t testify at the trial. Apparently, if there is a civil suit brought, he will have to testify. I want to hear his sworn testimony on the stand. That is when his whole bullshit story will unravel, because I don’t think he’s smart enough to spin it under oath.
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Jeff Borden said on July 16, 2013 at 4:01 pm
I don’t want to make unfounded assumptions, but isn’t Richard Cohen Jewish? Shouldn’t the history of horrors perpetrated against Jews over the many centuries –largely because of their different ways of worshipping, dressing, talking– make him just a little more circumspect when he is calling for us to profile black kids? In Cohen’s world, would Jews have survived National Socialism if they’d just trimmed their forelocks, ditched the yarmulkes and the frock coats and Anglicized their names?
Agreed, Cooz. This is offensively bad shit from a hack among hacks, which is going some in D.C., where column appointments are apparently like Supreme Court appointments. They’re for life.
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coozledad said on July 16, 2013 at 4:33 pm
Borden: I get that newspapers might have a hard time dumping a columnist who’s betraying obvious signs of senility-i.e. the morbid preoccupation with a hostile world with its encroachment of the other, in addition to all those humorless female colleagues who get mad when you try and cop a cheap feel.
But they have no excuse for not shitcanning a racist. Cohen belongs in the comments at Yahoo.
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Jeff Borden said on July 16, 2013 at 4:45 pm
Agreed.
I honestly do not understand how some of these old warhorses are still employed. Broder, Will, Krauthammer, Cohen. I get the sense of history they may bring to the table given their long service, but sheeeesh. Maybe one reason the print business is disappearing right before our eyes is its inability to find younger thinkers. La Nancita is far more worthy of a national audience than any of the four aging old white men mentioned above and she’d have interesting, well-reasoned but common sense arguments to make. These guys and some of the younger ones, ie., David Brooks, Jonah “Doughy Pantload” Goldberg, etc. still sound like cranky old men yelling at the kids next door and refusing to give them back the ball that bounced into their yard.
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Jolene said on July 16, 2013 at 5:10 pm
Get a load of this: We have a heat index of 96 degrees in the DC area, and 100,000 people are about to lose water for several days. A water main installed in 1965 is giving off acoustic signals that it is about to fail, so officials are going to shut it down this evening before it explodes.
Of course, it’s good that people and institutions have some time to prepare, but what a bummer. Am soooooo glad this isn’t my neighborhood. Time to get busy on infrastructure funding, Congress!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/prince-georges-residents-brace-for-water-shut-off/2013/07/16/abdaa72c-ee05-11e2-9008-61e94a7ea20d_story.html
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Jeff Borden said on July 16, 2013 at 5:22 pm
Jolene,
Luckily, the GOPers plan to jump right on the infrastructure improvements, just as soon as they pass a comprehensive employment bill, immigration reform, amend the Voting Rights Act and launch an investigation into widespread waste and corruption in defense spending.
This will occur right after I grow a new head of hair.
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alex said on July 16, 2013 at 5:55 pm
Mitch Daniels: Book burner.
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alex said on July 16, 2013 at 5:56 pm
Try, try again.
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MarkH said on July 16, 2013 at 5:56 pm
Uh, Jeff Borden? Broder’s dead.
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Mark P. said on July 16, 2013 at 5:59 pm
I had hoped that the Martin family could bring a civil suit against Zimmerman, but apparently Florida’s get-away-with-murder law immunizes someone who “stood his ground” against civil liability. As I understand it, the Zimmerman attorneys did not use that law in his defense. So maybe there is some hope. But not much.
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Danny said on July 16, 2013 at 6:39 pm
Brian, meet up for drinky-poo? Tonight would be great for me, but if not, probably could squeeze it in another day.
Nancy has my cell number. Let me know..
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Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on July 16, 2013 at 6:43 pm
Hey, I’ve been busy today – my denomination just voted to be a community of grace and welcome to all . . . it’s a shame we have to stop and spell it out for some, but the culture wars have kept us all busy building bricks without straw to put up walls with no doors. And yes, BSA had to put height/weight guidelines on high adventure activities because we’d been sued repeatedly, and at least twice successfully, by the families of overweight adults and youth who died while walking up a hill with a pack, on the basis of “Scouting should have known the potential hazard and kept them away from strenuous activity.” You only have to hit some mules a couple of times before they figure out which way to go.
Anyhow, a resolution I think even a conservative could love (I know I do) — http://www.disciples.org/GeneralAssembly/Business/Resolutions/1327BecomingaPeopleofGraceWelcometoAll/tabid/867/Default.aspx
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Suzanne said on July 16, 2013 at 7:07 pm
Oh, our man Mitch. Shocked I am, I tell you, that he would do something crass and underhanded. Shocked!
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Sherri said on July 16, 2013 at 7:19 pm
The real shame, Jeff(tmmo), is that when you stop and spell it out for some, they’re even more unhappy. But a good move, nonetheless!
And a good day for me: I got my braces off!
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Deborah said on July 16, 2013 at 7:21 pm
Holy cow Jolene, losing water in a 96 degree heat index situation is crazy.
We have a fire going in our fireplace right now, in July! It was 59 at 4pm and my poor 16 year old cat was whining and complaining. She is happy as a clam right now, like a queen bee sitting in the best seat in the house in front of the fire. I had a call in to the vet earlier because I thought her UTI was acting up again, but I think she was just cold and the dampness wasn’t helping. I’m leaving tomorrow for St. Louis so I hope she doesn’t need to go to the vet, Littlebird will have to figure out how to get her there (and she doesn’t drive). She can call a cab if she has to. When we were out of town over a year ago Littlebird had to take our other cat in to be euthanized, I hope she doesn’t have to go through that again. I don’t really think things are that dire. It’s going to get down to 49 again tonight.
I’m dreading St. Louis with temps in the mid ninties and heat indexes over 100. Yuck.
At least by the time I go back to Chicago on Sunday it will be cooler there.
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MichaelG said on July 16, 2013 at 8:00 pm
What Scout said at #24, Prospero. I was merely (and lamely, I guess) trying to make the point that Zimmerman’s remarks were taken from an interview rather than from sworn testimony.
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Deborah said on July 16, 2013 at 8:11 pm
I’ve spent time in La Jolla and the Coronado Island, whatever it’s called. It was incredibly beautiful and interesting but I don’t think I’d ever want to live there. Different strokes as they say. I like seasons, with snow etc.
Congrats Sherri on getting your braces off, sounds like true freedom.
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Prospero said on July 16, 2013 at 8:16 pm
Mark P.@33 They should be able to sue the municipality law enforcement that allowed Zimbo to be carrying after he had been arrested fo assault and had his license pulle. Additionally, the cops were derelict in not going to rein his ass in after his bizarro phone conversation with the dispatcher. They were well aware of his previous bad behavior and of his wannabe Poe-lice lunacy from previous contact, They should also be allowed to sue Moertimer and Randolph Koch for funding the promulgation of the ridiculous legislation that made FLA ripe for this sort of vigilantism, including buying off the FLA lege to pass the ALEC bullshit. It would be nice to see the Kriminal Konspiracy held responsible for its reprehensible actions for a chang. I don’t believe a state can pass a law that immunizes civil tortfeasors against law litigation. That’s unConstitutional.Ultimately the Kochs are responsible for subverting the legal system. One way or another, Zimbo’s own words on tape are proof he violated Trayvon’s civil rights by stalking and profiling him, for which he could be sent to Guantanamo if anybody does the right thing.
Then again, Stand Your Ground and the idiot judge notwithstanding, Z and his lawyers never asserted nor affirmed facts in evidence to invoke the SYG tavelty, so they can not use it to avoid civil action now, unless another consrvo-activist judge sticks a nose in erroneously again. SYG is an affirmative defense, as self defense has always been. The affirmation part is a legal requirement. Surely the dickhead judge knew that when he fucked up the jury instruction completely and did it on purpose. Fed DOJ should be all over that, except for the inevitable ignorant lava spew from ignorant gun nut racist bloviators that would erupt.
MarkH@32: How can anybody know for sure. Broder was moldering moribund for a really long time.
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MichaelG said on July 16, 2013 at 8:21 pm
A bit of coolth. It’s 77 here today! Not to fear, we’ll be back in triple digits by Friday. Avg temp for today is 94.
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Prospero said on July 16, 2013 at 8:30 pm
Again, SYG require and affirmative statement of the law by the defense to be considered at trial. Even an elected FLA judge is not likely to be ignorant enough not to know that. So why did the judge go out of his way to inject it into the jury instructions? I’d like DOJ to ask.
Still, if the defense did not affirm facts in evidence explicitly, and claim innocence under the SYG statute, any immunity to civil actions should not apply, unless one more redneck judge gets in on the action, but that one will be subject to judicial review.
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Jolene said on July 16, 2013 at 8:41 pm
Prosperous, the judge was a woman. The credibility of your arguments is not enhanced by misstatements on such basic matters as whether Zimmerman testified at trial and the sex of the judge.
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alex said on July 16, 2013 at 8:59 pm
Uh, Jeff Borden? Broder’s dead.
Who says the only news we ever hear is bad news? I missed that one, evidently, but it’s a nice counterweight this date to the Trayvon shit.
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Jolene said on July 16, 2013 at 9:12 pm
Sorry for the mistake on your name, Pros. Autocorrect strikes again.
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MarkH said on July 16, 2013 at 9:29 pm
Alex – yeah, you and Jeff missed it by about 2-1/2 years. Broder passed in March of 2011. BTW, why is Broder’s death good news? No tolerance for differing opinions, I guess. FWIW, our president called him “the most respected and incisive political commentator of his generation”. Oh, of course, that’s it: his ‘generation’ is over. Still can’t figure out why Frank Rich went so far as to call him “bloviator-in-chief”.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Broder
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MarkH said on July 16, 2013 at 9:30 pm
What Jolene said @44.
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coozledad said on July 16, 2013 at 10:06 pm
Not so much an intolerance for differing opinions as an intolerance for biscuit sucking DCintendants and ass sniffers. Broder’s among the first in a line of eminently welcome deaths in the cocktail weenie circuit that tried to pull the old Roman trick of elevating Ronald Reagan to God-Emperor of derp. Screw them and their false memory.
There’s gonna be a lot of graves that demand a thorough pissing on among that superannuated heap of Sunday morning toilet aneurysms.
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Jolene said on July 16, 2013 at 11:04 pm
I think you’re being unfair to Broder. He was, at least in part, a shoe leather reporter to the end–traveling widely to interview voters in many different locations. I’m not familiar with his history on the cocktail circuit, but he impressed me as someone who’d seen it all and was particularly impressed by the trappings of high office.
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MarkH said on July 16, 2013 at 11:18 pm
Again, what Jolene said, this time @50.
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Jolene said on July 16, 2013 at 11:37 pm
Meant to say . . . NOT particularly impressed by the trappings of high office.
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Prospero said on July 16, 2013 at 11:55 pm
Pardon my subterfuge, but I had listened to all the sanctimonious bullshit about the jury being compelled by bad FLA law, I couldn’t stand it any more. Every statement I ascribed to the murderer, he said to Dickhead Hannity, or his lawyers said in court. For FLA law regarding an affirmative defense such as SYG or self defense to have been involved, Z’s lawyers would have had to affirm facts, and Z would have had to testify under oath as to his state of mind. Nobody on his defense team wanted to subject their nitwit client too cross examination, which is why the defense announce they had no intention of citing SYG in an affirmative defense. This aspect of an affirmative defense is the one safeguard in the law against a murderer getting off simply because his victim is the only other witness and he’s dead. I was just fed up with all this bullshit about “objectivity. I guess it was a dirty trick. Can’t believe how long it took to get called on it. The judge committed a grievous error whether deliberately or through incompetence by creatin an affirmative defense afte both sides had closed, by introducing such an affirmative defense for the defendant in the jury instructions to what seems to have been a particularly dense jury.
It’s also outrageous that Zimbo was free to do a Hannity interview, after which everybody assumed that Zimbo had given a true account of the events of the night Trayvon Martin died. Most recently this whacko is claiming he wants to go to law school. That’s a lot of cash to spend when you are clearly incapable of passing the professional licensing exam. I suppose the law school at Liberty would give him a full boat.
Broder was the anti-matter to Jack Anderson’s matter for a long time. He had the intellectual integrity of Woodward, David Weenie Brooks and, oh, Jerry Rivers to whome he could have given a run for his money in an ass-kissing contest
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