I do apologize for the performance issues we’ve had of late. It appears to be a server problem, and for once, it’s a problem out of J.C.’s capable hands. And we’re not entirely sure what’s going on. But someone is working on it. Eventually, it will be fixed. This seems fairly easy to say.
If we haven’t been giving it top priority, it’s because J.C. has been working on another project for me. I’m not supposed to make a big deal of it, but it’s in the world, so we’ll just make a lower-case deal out of it. No boldface, nothing like that:
J.C. redesigned Bridge. And that’s all we’ll say about that.
Given that our connectivity goes in and out, I’m hesitant to put much into this until the kinks are worked out. But let’s get it going and see what happens.
So. Around the beginning of 2012, we had a homicide in Grosse Pointe — a well-known and well-liked local woman was found strangled in her Mercedes, parked in an alley in Detroit. I remember well, working at home and getting the tip about the body. I called a student who was contributing to GrossePointeToday.com and asked if he could roll out on it. This is a student who has been contributing to his local paper since he was 14, and not exactly wet behind the ears. As he was heading out the door, he said, “Hmm, sounds like her husband killed her.”
And yeah, when you think about it, it’s a little strange to think that anyone bent on a carjacking would leave the car behind, after strangling the occupant.
Long story short, after a few ridiculous days of OMG DETROIT CRIME hereabouts, it turned out the woman’s husband was indeed a “person of interest,” and then a guy was arrested, who said the husband had hired him to do the deed, and even longer story even shorter, this week the husband is behind bars and a preliminary hearing is going on.
The story unfolding is of a lousy marriage, affairs, sexual kinks, financial shenanigans and all the rest of it, and in the middle of it all, I tripped over this paragraph:
Bob and Jane Bashara’s marriage was rocky and ending it had been brought up once their children were out of school, according to Monday’s testimony.
Because by all means, when your husband is into S&M (and you’re not), can’t get it up, is taking money from your 401K without your knowledge, has a mistress and a failing business, the time to get divorced is after the kids have graduated from high school.
Ultimately, tragically, the husband figured out who had the most to lose from a divorce, and opted to be a widower instead.
That might sound cruel, and I don’t want to blame this poor woman for her fate in any way. Over the years, I’ve blown hot and cold on divorce, and I know a lot of people blow very, very cold on it. Despite its easy availability, despite all the justifications we make, it’s still a tough step to take. I hear stories like this and think, sometimes you gotta take it. She was a great friend to many people, with a big life. She should still be living it, and not her stupid-ass husband in his prison clothes in court every day.
So, do I have bloggage? Let’s try:
Kerry Bentivolio, the accidental congressman, has something new to look into — “chemtrails.”
Out of all the 9/11 coverage, it seems worthwhile to dig up this Hank Stuever essay on something that had nothing to do with Islam, terror or Why They Hate Us.
And my connection is faltering again. Best publish this while I can. Is Mercury retrograde?
Dexter said on September 12, 2013 at 1:28 am
I was divorced once, in a much simpler time. My wife “ran off” with another man, I paid a lawyer three hundred bucks to do the paperwork, I went to court a time or two, and that was that. Last night I was listening to NYC radio personality Anthony Cumia tell a bit about his divorce, of a few years ago. The conversation was sparked by the news of the George Zimmerman divorce and that latest gun fiasco. Several other callers checked immediately to verify this: when a man gets divorced, he has to take out an insurance policy with the ex-wife-to-be as the beneficiary, for anywhere from one million to three million dollars. Great for the wife, but a potential disaster to the husband, who instantly becomes a target for any new boyfriend looking for a score. Kill the ex, live off the sorta-kinda-widow with insurance money. I admit I was shocked to hear this. Now yes, Cumia makes huge New York dollars, but one of the callers made only 60 grand, and was forced to take out that 3 million dollars policy. Adding to the incentive for murder, the policy shrinks each year until after ten years it is zero.
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Crazycatlady said on September 12, 2013 at 3:00 am
This upcoming Bashera trial is going to be big. Which reminds me that we now have proof our 20 year old daughter is an adult. She got her first Jury Duty notification. Wouldn’t it be crazy if she was picked for that case? Crazy. And Beb got his Jury Duty notification yesterday! The family that serves together…
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Jolene said on September 12, 2013 at 3:08 am
Dexter, that insurance requirement sounds bizarre. I’ve known lots of divorced people, including some in my immediate family, but no one has ever mentioned this idea.
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Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on September 12, 2013 at 6:44 am
Peter Luke looks about 5% less hypermanic in the new sidebar, so that’s an improvement . . . hat tip, Mr. Burns. I should find out what your rates are for redesigning church websites, after spending an insane amount of time trying to make Weebly do what I wanted for mine: http://www.newarkcentralchristian.com
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brian stouder said on September 12, 2013 at 8:19 am
Jeff, nice website!
And – here at 20 minutes past 8, as one of my cubicle mates munches upon an apple (loudly), don’t miss the superb 12 year old Stuever column that Nancy links to
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Deborah said on September 12, 2013 at 9:04 am
There’s a skunk in the trap this morning! That didn’t take long. Yay no more skunk, they’ll pick it up later this morning and take it out to the country 15 or 20 miles out.
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LAMary said on September 12, 2013 at 9:09 am
Don’t even get me started.
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Sherri said on September 12, 2013 at 11:10 am
Laundry day here, as we reach the halfway point of our stay in London. Our apartment has a clever little machine that is both a washer and a dryer. We’ll see how we’ll it works! The highlight of the trip so far: seeing the Royal Shakespeare Company perform Hamlet last night in Stratford-upon-Avon. Just perfect. And we’ve decided the London Underground really is the eighth wonder of the world. I don’t think we’ve waited more than a minute for a train yet.
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MichaelG said on September 12, 2013 at 11:12 am
I never heard of anything like that insurance requirement you mentioned, Dexter. It really sounds strange.
I flew down to LAX yesterday. The date, 9-11, didn’t occur to me when I called the meeting and booked the trip. There was nothing out of the ordinary though.
Mary, what is this train they’re building through Santa Monica? The place has been torn up the last six months or so and it’s getting worse.
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brian stouder said on September 12, 2013 at 11:18 am
See, if it wasn’t for our spotty troubles (which I’d still bet an icy cold Diet Pepsi are being caused by those jaked-up Google map photos), I’d have at least 4 or 5 inane comments on this thread by now, and we’d have been treated to one of Mary’s great musings from the magnificent west coast of the United States.
And heaven only knows what Cooz would contribute to Nancy’s darkly humorous summation of the wife-killer, above)
Oh well
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Minnie said on September 12, 2013 at 11:21 am
Rewarding an insurance policy reward is much the thing in divorce courts now. A friend’s ex-wife of nearly 30 years recently pressed for one. She first “required” that a decade ago but the judge ruled against. This time, who knows?
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Minnie said on September 12, 2013 at 11:22 am
Delete “reward” in first sentence. Still missing edit.
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Dave said on September 12, 2013 at 12:40 pm
Weird website issue, I find it odd that if I enter http://www.nancynall.com, I get a blank page but if I enter nancynall.com, it comes up. I’ve always entered www. first, I’ve never bookmarked your site, simply typed it in.
This morning, the site would come up but comments would not.
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alex said on September 12, 2013 at 12:53 pm
Speaking of weird website issues, I wonder if anyone else has been experiencing what I’ve been experiencing lately with both the Explorer and Safari browsers: I try to click back from a news article to the main page where I found the link to the article and nothing happens. I pull down the history and it’s full of what appear to be a bazillion identical cookies. I retype the URL of the main page in order to return to it.
This is getting really vexatious. Is it happening to anyone else? I installed the Ad Block app on both of these computers a long time ago and I wonder if it is becoming obsolete or if perhaps the advertisers have cooked up some ways around it that make machines go haywire. I do seem to be seeing more ads these days. Anybody?
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LAMary said on September 12, 2013 at 1:02 pm
When it’s cheaper to hire a hit man than it is to pay a lawyer, things get ugly.
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LAMary said on September 12, 2013 at 1:07 pm
MichaelG, they are extending one of the light rail lines into Santa Monica. I think it’s great. I use light rail to get to Old Town Pasadena so I don’t have to search for parking and I’m going to be using it next week to go to jury duty downtown. It will be nice to be able to take to the beach.
http://www.metro.net/projects/expo-santa-monica/
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MarkH said on September 12, 2013 at 1:13 pm
Here is a RARE sight that I know will fascinate all of you. It’s a video of one of the local wolf packs taking on a grizzly, apparently over an unseen carcass. This happened yesterday in what are now mud flats in the northern end of Jackson lake in Grand Teton National Park.
The top one-third of the lake is storage water for irrigation purposes in Idaho. Water needs have brought the lake down to its natural level this year. The location here is normally under 10- 15 feet of water. I linked the local alt-weekly’s article with it as there is some valuable narrative from two wildlife naturalists. Enjoy.
http://planetjh.com/2013/09/11/wolf-vs-bear-showdown/
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coozledad said on September 12, 2013 at 1:19 pm
When it’s cheaper to hire a hit man than it is to pay a lawyer, things get ugly.
Just wait until someone decides to cross the two crafts. A hit man/lawyer is definitely going to be one ugly sumbitch.
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jcburns said on September 12, 2013 at 1:21 pm
Dave, thanks for mentioning this. It means I had some of the page caching software in the background set up in a way that it didn’t serve pages to http://www.nancynall.com, just nancynall.com.
We’ve taken that off right now, and (fingers crossed) site performance seems to be somewhat better.
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Connie said on September 12, 2013 at 1:51 pm
There is a nasty divorce going on across the street, and much to his dismay my husband was subpoenaed to testify last week. Why? He witnessed the ex and her friends return and dig up all the perennials.
Our power has been out since late yesterday afternoon. This is the same guy who irritates with his noisy generator.
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Julie Robinson said on September 12, 2013 at 1:58 pm
Who’d a thunk that a simmple http could make such a difference? My hat is off to you, JC, and all the web coders. Great job on the Bridge rebuild.
Alex, I use Chrome and have lots of security extensions, but I’ve noticed lately that they are blocking too much, so I go over to Firefox, where I don’t have the same measures loaded. Which kind of defeats the purpose, doesn’t it.
Connie, your husband is going to have to tiptoe through that testimony, isn’t he? (Insert tulip joke here.)
Our daughter gets home this afternoon for 12 days. Happy, happy, joy, joy!
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MichaelG said on September 12, 2013 at 2:03 pm
Thanks, Mary. Sounds like a great project. What chapped my ass a bit was that Norm’s, my favorite breakfast place in Santa Monica, was closed when I got there. Closed as in done in by the rail line which needs the space. I had to eat at some other joint. The traffic problem really isn’t that bad. Yet.
Alex, I’ve had that same issue lately and on more than one computer. That is clicking from a site to a story or feature and not being able to click back to the main page but having to reopen the site from the beginning.
I don’t like ads anymore than anybody else but i put up with them. How else are these sites going to pay for themselves? Better the ads than a pay gate.
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mark said on September 12, 2013 at 2:04 pm
Hit men have always been cheaper than divorce lawyers. That’s because divorce lawyers are willing to do things that hit men find unconscionasble.
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jcburns said on September 12, 2013 at 2:15 pm
Julie, let me suggest that with webkit-based browsers–that’s Chrome and Safari–you don’t NEED those security extensions. On the PC side, Chrome is about as ideal as you can get these days in terms of a quality browsing experience (I used to like Firefox, but no more.)
Also, the javascript behind the scenes runs a factor of many times faster on Chrome than Firefox. Chrome is the current raw javascript speed champion, and with some sites (nancynall.com is not one of them), that makes an enormous difference.
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brian stouder said on September 12, 2013 at 2:20 pm
SO once again, a comic has stirred an international incident….although to be honest, I thought the Japanese government went nuclear (so to speak) over a pretty lame French joke.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/12/french-fukushima-cartoon-offends-japan
The lead:
Japan is to lodge an official complaint about a cartoon in a French newspaper that links the Fukushima nuclear disaster with Tokyo’s successful bid to host the 2020 Olympics. The cartoon, which appeared on Wednesday in the satirical weekly Le Canard Enchaine, shows two sumo wrestlers – each with an extra arm or leg – with the wrecked Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant in the background. At the edge of the panel, a TV announcer dressed in a hazardous materials suit says: “Marvellous! Thanks to Fukushima, sumo is now an Olympic sport.”
A second image features two people in protective clothing conducting radiation tests by the side of a pool, along with the caption: “There is already a pool in Fukushima for the Olympics.”
PS – Connie – wow. I mean, WOW. When the day comes that Pamela realizes just how much better she could have done, and throws me out onto the frontyard – the very last thing I would ever complain about would be the flower bed! (and hell itself would have to freeze over, before I’d subpoena neighbors!!!)
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Dexter said on September 12, 2013 at 2:27 pm
LA Mary, my Las Vegas daughter and her husband have been vacationing on long weekends in a family owned house in Encinitas. They park the car and ride there on the Coaster Train.
SoCal has amazing train service…”Monday through Sunday, the North County Transit District’s Coaster trains connect downtown San Diego and Old Town with coastal communities throughout the county including Solana Beach, Encinitas, Carlsbad and Oceanside. These trains offer visitors car-free access to some of the most charming beach communities in the region as well as a relaxing ride with breathtaking coastal scenery. There are more than 20 trains that run on weekdays with additional service on weekends. The entire coaster route from Oceanside to the Santa Fe Depot downtown takes about an hour.”
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Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on September 12, 2013 at 2:39 pm
LAMary, better call Saul.
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Peter said on September 12, 2013 at 3:05 pm
I’m impressed with you guys – I’ve been trying all day and it was only a few minutes ago that I was able to see the website.
I missed you guys – and I miss that Cooz and Prospero weren’t able to tee off on the Fox nutbags who had the oh most witty retorts to Obama’s Syria speech. Really, how large of a pole must be in Krauthammer’s ass to make him look like that?
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Candlepick said on September 12, 2013 at 3:05 pm
A very old joke, but not if you’ve never heard it:
The elderly, long-married couple is with the divorce lawyer who is making efforts to see if they might not want to reconsider and reconcile.
“I’ve always hated her.” “I can’t stand being around him.” “She’s ignored me for years.” “Everything about him makes me sick.” Etc.
The lawyer, dismayed, asks why, why have they waited so long?
“We wanted to wait till the children were dead.”
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Julie Robinson said on September 12, 2013 at 3:09 pm
Rimshot!
Thanks, JC, I’ll give that a try.
And I see that I put an extra m in simple. Sigh.
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nancy said on September 12, 2013 at 3:24 pm
There was a story in the WSJ a while back about the sorts of things people fight over at real-estate closings (or afterward). One involved a homeowner who dug up half the garden (which was a selling point) on his way down the driveway the final time. His defense was that they were rare, expensive irises and other perennials, that he’d paid a bunch of money for, so in a way, they were just like furniture!
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LAMary said on September 12, 2013 at 3:26 pm
Why would you bother to dig up the perennials? Just to be pissy? There isn’t anything as petty as that in my train wreck of a divorce. My ex only goes for the big stuff.
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Crazycatlady said on September 12, 2013 at 3:28 pm
My father-in-law’s farm (beb’s dad)IS a place out in the country where city folk dump skunks, groundhogs and racoons.Dad traps groundhogs digging up his barn. Since there is nowhere to dump them, he gives them ‘swimming lessons’. A euphemism he uses for the sake of us bunny huggers who don’t like the word drowning. Being blind, he can’t shoot them anymore. But the current fad of giving firearms to blind people might just be the answer! *smirk*
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Deborah said on September 12, 2013 at 3:53 pm
As divorces go mine was pretty simple, I took basically nothing except for my daughter, we had joint custody. I have no regrets, have never had regrets about not taking my half. I am so glad I am not in that life anymore, I occasionally have nightmares that I’m required to go back there and they are horrible dreams that make me depressed for days after.
I have not had as many problems connecting to nn.c as some of you have. Once in a while it would pop up something about an error and sometimes it required that I re-enter my name and e-mail before publishing a comment. The only thing I’m curious about is why my new gravatar doesn’t show up here, but no biggie. My gravatar by the way is a photo from my Beaver Brook experience of me using a great big scary power saw with a smile on my face.
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brian stouder said on September 12, 2013 at 4:07 pm
Deborah, I recall admiring that photo, or one very like it.
I got my divorce out of the way early in life, when there wasn’t much material stuff to fight about. We did have a young (3 years old) son – and we never argued about where he should live.
And one thing I take a sort of flawed pride* in, is that for the next decade and a half, we were never (ever) one day late or one penny short on support payments. Every Friday after work, job #1 was to cash the paycheck**, buy the money order, and then deposit it in the drop-box at the Allen County Court House.
* because, really, how “proud” can you be that you did what you were required to do, for your own son?
**that detail doubly dates this story! I haven’t gotten a real-live paper paycheck since….I don’t know, maybe the beginning of the Obama administration? And do they still sell money orders at the gas station?
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brian stouder said on September 12, 2013 at 4:09 pm
Deborah, I recall admiring that photo, or one very like it, when you posted a link.
I got my divorce out of the way early in life, when there wasn’t much material stuff to fight about. We did have a young (3 years old) son – and we never argued about where he should live.
And one thing I take a sort of flawed pride* in, is that for the next decade and a half, we were never (ever) one day late or one penny short on support payments. Every Friday after work, job #1 was to cash the paycheck**, buy the money order, and then deposit it in the drop-box at the Allen County Court House.
* because, really, how “proud” can you be that you did what you were required to do, for your own son?
**that detail doubly dates this story! I haven’t gotten a real-live paper paycheck since….I don’t know, maybe the beginning of the Obama administration? And do they still sell money orders at the gas station?
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MichaelG said on September 12, 2013 at 4:21 pm
My divorce from my first wife was painless. We were young with no kids or joint assets so we just split up. I did a do it yourself divorce in Marin County from that book that was popular then. Nothing to it. Cost me something like $50.
My recent split up isn’t actually a divorce. We’re legally separated. That way I can keep her on my medical insurance and we can file joint tax returns. I didn’t come away financially unscathed this time. I will be making payments through March. Then I can retire. Whoopee!
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MichaelG said on September 12, 2013 at 4:24 pm
Deborah, I liked your old avatar – that photo of you. Now I don’t see any avatar, just one of those quilt looking generic things.
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Jeff Borden said on September 12, 2013 at 4:42 pm
Hey Mitch Albom fans! The Chicago Tribune has run his horrible “tweaking” column in full complete with groovy old black and white photos of hepcats and kittens in bobby sox and poodle skirts doing their thing in the `50s! This proves my assertion that Mitchy has eclipsed Bob Greene as the greatest hack of all time. The Trib, after all, published Greene’s doodles for decades.
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Deborah said on September 12, 2013 at 4:47 pm
Hey, on Chrome my new gravatar shows up but not on Safari? On Safari it’s the quilty thing?
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Deborah said on September 12, 2013 at 4:48 pm
Now the new Gravatar is showing up on Safari too? JC must have done something?
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nancy said on September 12, 2013 at 4:55 pm
No, it’s a cache thing. This is why J.C. tells me NOT TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THIS STUFF. Because it almost always works itself out. But not all at once.
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jcburns said on September 12, 2013 at 5:31 pm
Yee gads. You kids and your pushing and pushing the elevator buttons over and over again. Y’know, there are probably a couple of ways to deal with the mysteries of the internet. One is to dig deep and learn–which for someone like me who is pretty good with this stuff, at my age–is STILL pretty difficult and I still continually learn something new about how things are cached in your computer, on the server, and in between. Believe me, it’s deep. Deeeeeeeeep.
Or you can be quietly oblivious and just try to keep your browser relatively current and be pleased that the thing works at all.
Or I suppose you can sit back a bit, observe a thing or two and draw conclusions based on incomplete information and an incomplete understanding of ALL of the systems involved. “well, a robin flew by my window when I hit enter the last time, therefore my caching problems are related to my proximity to the state bird of Michigan.”
That last one, I don’t recommend.
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Deborah said on September 12, 2013 at 6:01 pm
I cleaned out my cache a bunch of times when my gravatar didn’t show up after I changed it, so it is coincidental that it is now showing up, but glad it is. I know you can’t see the smile on my face in the tiny gravatar, but believe me it’s there. I was so happy to conquer my fear of that machine. It’s really one of the safest power saws out there, so my fear was phobic not based in reality. Now I’m pricing them to purchase one and can’t wait to use it again.
If I could just conquer my fear of all things digital.
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Dave said on September 12, 2013 at 6:26 pm
My brother, a survivor of two divorces, is still complaining about his last wife, divorced twenty years now. Oh, he’s also a beeraholic, maybe that’s got something to do with it. Yes, and the divorces, too.
Use Chrome most of the time and occasionally use Safari, since I got the Macbook in February. No issues with that but twice, I’ve gotten disconnected from our home wifi and had to completely set it up again in the Macbook, that was where the problem was, happened while online. No idea how that happens but I’m not at all knowledgeable about such things.
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Deborah said on September 12, 2013 at 6:49 pm
The only reason I downloaded Chrome was when we were doing the conference “hangout” for Beaver Brook when we were in the design phase of the bath house. The hangout was a google deal and they told me it worked better on Chrome. Then I also got a Gmail account for all of my communication for Beaver Brook. I don’t really know why I did that, I thought it would be easier than using my regular email account. As much as I use my computer everyday, it’s amazing how little I know about how it works. Embarrassing.
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Julie Robinson said on September 12, 2013 at 6:58 pm
Oblivious here. I have both a gmail and yahoo account, but yahoo doesn’t sync on my phone. Yahoo keeps saying they’re working on it, but I’m about to ditch it. The only thing is, I’ve had it forever and I’d have to go into a gazillion accounts and change them over, and it seems like too much work.
JC, we have a nephew who writes code, and he says he needs to get into another area, because it’s a young person’s job. He’s 32.
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MichaelG said on September 12, 2013 at 7:21 pm
Deborah, your avatar shows now but I’m on my home desktop, not my laptop.
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jcburns said on September 12, 2013 at 8:00 pm
Julie, if you go into your Yahoo mail and go to Settings (the gear icon)-> Mail options -> Forwarding, you can set your Yahoo mail to forward to your Gmail account. Then, you can send email FROM your Gmail account WITH the return address of your Yahoo account if you go into gear icon -> Settings -> Accounts and edit the ‘Send mail as’ thingie to add your Yahoo account as an option (you’ll have to receive a google message at your yahoo address to verify you own it.)
Thus you can pretty much have your cake and eat it too.
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LAMary said on September 12, 2013 at 8:34 pm
MichaelG, next time you need breakfast and can’t go to Norms, try this place:
http://www.ogroatsrestaurant.com/west-la-breakfast
little more expensive than Norms, but tasty.
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Julie Robinson said on September 12, 2013 at 8:41 pm
Good idea. Right now my gmail is forwarded to yahoo, but I never thought of reversing the process. It all stems from the days when hubby and I were sharing a computer and if we both used gmail, we were forever signing in and out. It was more convenient for one of us to use yahoo and the other gmail. But that was both years and many devices ago. And yahoo seems to have lots of issues anymore, I’m forever having to close it and reopen to load a message.
JC, I feel like I owe you a consultant’s fee.
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Jolene said on September 12, 2013 at 8:51 pm
Speaking of old email accounts, I still have an AOL account, which I feel like I should change to keep people from laughing at me. But, as far as I can tell, gmail doesn’t do anything that AOL doesn’t do, and, like Julie, I have lots of accounts associated with that address.
The only person who writes to me at my gmail address is Barack Obama, and he seems to find me at AOL too. Maybe the NSA is helping him.
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Julie Robinson said on September 12, 2013 at 9:03 pm
It turns out that yahoo wants $20/year for you to forward your emails. I should just bite the bullet and go through all my accounts. We have an old infi.net address too; who knows what else is floating around in cyberspace?
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beb said on September 12, 2013 at 10:11 pm
for internet problems I prefer repeated pushing the elevator button. Just because it didn’t for the last 50 times doesn’t that it’ll not work the 51th time. Kind of like how Republicans approach Obamacare.
I’m been experiencing a bit of schadenfreude today. When the big storm blew through last night it knocked out the power for the people across the street from us. For the 25+ years we’ve lived here it’s always been the other way. We’d lose power and they wouldn’t. It’s nice to see the blackout on the other foot.
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Deborah said on September 12, 2013 at 11:16 pm
My original email account is with Southwestern Bell from when we lived in St. Louis, so AOL is nothing to be embarrassed about. It has since been changed to part of Yahoo but the sbc is still part of the address.
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Deborah said on September 12, 2013 at 11:48 pm
I keep forgetting that you are Eastern time and in Santa Fe I’m in mountain time 2 hours earlier. You’d think by now I’d remember this, but when I do a bit of traveling it unravels in my mind.
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Little Bird said on September 13, 2013 at 12:05 am
So we caught a skunk. Another skunk. I just want to know how many skunks there ARE in the greater Santa Fe area!
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