Alex sends along this snapshot from the Hoosier state:
Meatballs and sausage? I suspect a friend of Dorothy!
Open thread today. The week is closing in on me.
Kirk said on April 1, 2015 at 12:20 am
Letterman Top 10 tonight: Top 10 guys Gov. Pence looks like. Among them: “Guy who carries a baseball bat in trunk of his car”; “guy whose wife has to tell him, “Honey, you’re getting a little loud”; “Guy who makes the dog sleep outside.” And, of course, a reference to major horse’s ass basketball coach.
Jerry said on April 1, 2015 at 2:36 am
I know there are some Kinks fans here. Last night Myra and I saw “Sunny Afternoon”, a play based on the early years of The Kinks. I don’t know if it will get out to America but if you get the chance I’d strongly recommend it. Strong narrative line, great performances – the actors playing the group all played and sang well. And of course some wonderful songs. I’d forgotten just how many great songs Ray wrote.
And the medley at the end based around Lola had everyone on their feet and clapping.
Joe kobiels said on April 1, 2015 at 2:42 am
Joe kobiels said on April 1, 2015 at 6:09 am
River bend pizza.
alex said on April 1, 2015 at 7:37 am
Yep, that’s the one! And it’s a total accident that we ended up in that part of town. We were originally going out for sushi on Lima Road, but on the way there we saw this giant ball of fire in the sky, so decided to check it out and ended up in Grabill where a lumber mill was on fire. Great pictures of that too!
Wim said on April 1, 2015 at 8:25 am
Thanks Mild-Mannered Jeff for the link to your podcast in the previous thread. I’m about halfway through and enjoying it enormously.
beb said on April 1, 2015 at 8:29 am
I came across an interesting theory for why Indiana, Arkansas and soon to be Georgia are passing these awful bills.
Steve M. argues that when all these awful conservative governors were re-elected it convinced conservatives that there would be no blowback on anything they did. And when Indiana did get some blowback it left Pence and the Legis’ totally confused because it wasn’t supposed to happen.
But we still need more and better progressives to explain why “religious freedom” begins by keeping your nose out of other people’s business.
Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on April 1, 2015 at 9:25 am
Delighted, Wim. Go ahead, tell me and Brad we need to finish our book. (If I get enough people to harass me about it, I may finally do it.)
Danny said on April 1, 2015 at 9:29 am
Briefly getting back to cars, Honda has a new model that is interesting. I could see Dexter driving this.
Dorothy said on April 1, 2015 at 9:36 am
jcburns said on April 1, 2015 at 9:49 am
That photo reminds me that I need to fill up the back of the car with discarded blinky-roadside-sign letters and drive through rural Indiana and Ohio making sure that bars and restaurants and places of worship have enough vowels and consonants to be clever.
It’s a little side business.
MarkH said on April 1, 2015 at 9:56 am
Danny and jc – Way to kick off the thread! Priceless….
Deborah said on April 1, 2015 at 10:01 am
I’d read the book, Jeff tmmo.
4dbirds said on April 1, 2015 at 10:12 am
Wim said on April 1, 2015 at 10:14 am
Jeff, you must finish the book. No excuses. Get cracking.
Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on April 1, 2015 at 10:22 am
JC, I need more Rs. No idea why, but that’s what always slows me up on our church sign.
(Thank you, Wim; feel free to nag!)
Bitter Scribe said on April 1, 2015 at 10:51 am
I see where the new host of the Daily Show is getting blowback over ethnic-humor tweets.
What disappoints me is that in his handful of Daily Show appearances, a lot of his shtick was pushing back against American stereotypes about Africa—“no, we’re not all starving, we don’t all wear leopard skins,” etc. Now it turns out he does the same thing to others (Jewish girls won’t perform oral sex? Seriously?). Motes, logs and all that.
alex said on April 1, 2015 at 12:01 pm
Meanwhile, at another pizza joint elsewhere in the state…
Judybusy said on April 1, 2015 at 12:23 pm
The first line on Yelp said it all, that no gay couple would ever cater pizza for their wedding!
Sherri said on April 1, 2015 at 2:30 pm
Hey, don’t stereotype, I’ve known lesbian couples who might have catered pizza for a wedding! Come on, let’s not make the default male here, too.
adrianne said on April 1, 2015 at 2:45 pm
And…the Journal-Gazette tries to cash in on the Religious Freedom fracas.
brian stouder said on April 1, 2015 at 2:51 pm
Adrianne, I say – “GO J-G!!”
It would have been cool to have had an ad in yesterday’s Indianapolis Star, which is surely going to be in collections all over the place, for generations (Full front-page block print flatly stating “Fix this now”)
brian stouder said on April 1, 2015 at 2:53 pm
brian stouder said on April 1, 2015 at 3:04 pm
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brian stouder said on April 1, 2015 at 4:13 pm
I guess “April Fool’s Day” came early this year, in Indiana
alex said on April 1, 2015 at 5:13 pm
It looks like the governor of Arkansas is showing Pence the path out of the briar patch. Just copy Bill Clinton’s 1993 RFRA law — the one on which Indiana’s ill-fated mess was purportedly modeled and to which it bears no resemblance.
Deborah said on April 1, 2015 at 8:35 pm
My biggest fear is that Pence’s actions in this debacle will actually help him politically. Even though it’s negative (to us) there are many, many people who think he’s right (like my rightwing sister). These people will rally around him and support him, just look what they did for Scott Walker when he did what he did to the unions, it didn’t seem to hurt him. I don’t want the Dems to get complacent and think this will do what we hope it does to Pence and his ilk. We can’t rest on this, it will come back to haunt us, big time.
On the other hand I have tremendous respect for the LGBT community and activists who managed to make tremendous political strides over the last few years. I hope that those successes will continue and we can all rest easy eventually.
Deborah said on April 1, 2015 at 9:12 pm
Question? Jeff tmmo, Julie and some others in our midst who are church goers/leaders. What are various denominations saying about the RFRA? I haven’t really seen anything about this in the press?
Jolene said on April 1, 2015 at 9:44 pm
Deborah, I recently read that the Presbyterians had decided to permit same-sex marriage. Don’t know if they’ve taken a stand on the RFRA laws. As far as I know, that’s the only large denomination, other than the Unitarians, that permit same-sex marriage.
Note that a large group of black churches castigated the Presbyterians for their actions.
Sherri said on April 1, 2015 at 9:57 pm
Deborah, here is a statement from the Bishop Catharine Waynick of the Episcopal Diocese of Indianapolis: http://www.episcopalcafe.com/diocese-of-indianapolis-issues-pastoral-letter-on-religious-freedom-restoration-act/
The Diocese of Indianapolis also allows blessings of same sex unions. The Diocese of Northern Indiana does not, and I can’t find a statement from Bishop Edward Little on the Indiana RFRA. He spoke out against approval of a same sex blessings liturgy when it was approved by the General Convention, though.
Sherri said on April 1, 2015 at 9:59 pm
More generally, it is up to each diocese in the Episcopal church as to whether same sex unions are blessed in the church. Here’s a rundown of each diocesan policy: http://www.integrityusa.org/blessings-policies
alex said on April 1, 2015 at 10:28 pm
Tonight watching the Fox local news, they featured the First Church of Cannabis in Indianapolis saying they can’t wait to exercise their new rights under the law, while the pizza place in Walkerton had the father of the young lady going off about homosexuality being a choice because he chooseso be heterosexual. And there you have it from the Jerry Springer perspective all around while there was absolutely zilch from the sane perspective.
Likewise with their coverage of the “common” (read prevailing) wage law, right now up for revocation after 80 years by the same right-wing activist legislature. Only two sides to one story, no nuance, neither talking common sense, although the liberal side was getting slighted by my reading.
Julie Robinson said on April 1, 2015 at 11:30 pm
ELCA Lutherans support both gay marriage and gay pastors, although individual churches can decide they don’t want a gay pastor. We lost some members over it, but so be it, I believe God made us all just the way we are. Our pastor led us through a lengthy series of discernment meetings with the intent of taking our church out of the denomination. We discerned that he could leave but we weren’t going to, so he did and everyone is much happier.
A couple more families left after a same sex marriage between two members was announced on a Sunday morning, just the same as every other marriage is announced. The rest of us? We’ve moved on.
Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on April 1, 2015 at 11:45 pm
Well, my denomination, headquartered in Indianapolis, pretty much doubled-down on opposing the legislation:
I’d say we’re fairly evenly divided as to congregations who would or would not conduct same-sex weddings, but the general offices and most of the regions (what most of you would call dioceses or conferences or synods) are in favor of full inclusion. We’re still trying as a denomination to discern a good solid set of standards for ministry, because we’ve had our share of both straight and gay sexual ethics violations by clergy.
But we’ve navigated out of the shoal waters of assuming that homosexuality equals child molestation; those who are caught by surprise by some of my statements on this, given my conservatism on some matters, get to learn from me with emphasis how many situations I’ve had to deal with in ministry and Scouting from gays and lesbians harming children (that would be none) and how many with men who were married and had children (that would be a painfully two-digit number). I’ve dealt with some of the aftermath of one priest who had molested young boys, and that’s the closest thing to an exception I know, and it seems much more complicated that saying he was “gay” which I’m not sure is really correct at all. At any rate, we need to figure out how to screen, supervise, and enforce ethical boundaries for clergy and youth leaders, and barring LGBT people doesn’t even address the edges of that issue.
Dexter said on April 1, 2015 at 11:48 pm
I shake my head in wonderment at anyone eating a 2-sausage roll. Once a long time ago my wife decided she’d go to a White Sox game with me. We ate at the park and she ordered a polish, which were pretty damn good at old Comiskey Park. The counterman asked her “double?” and she said yes. So this huge bun stuffed with two long plump polish sausages , dripping with sport peppers, onions and a pickle wedge was handed over and I took my David Berg corned beef sandwich and my Augsburger draft and , knowing she would barely be able to eat half of that monstrosity she ordered, was going to chide her about it, and she devoured all of it in record time and demanded I go get her another diet soda. Never underestimate a woman.
Alex, there seems to me to be a serious firebug bastard over there. Giant fires in Waterloo and then the Butler Corporation last week, now Grabill…and Sunday night the asshole burned the Waterloo park playground down, catching trees on fire also. Years ago when the Auburn American Legion burned, a fireman was convicted. Hard to catch these slippery fuckers doing this.
Jerry, sounds like a lovely evening. I still have my vinyl of the first Kinks release over here…long time ago…might have been 1964. Me fave Kinks tune from the old days ( Waterloo Sunset is me fave nowadays): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcSm0ShU8Y8
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