Dry turkey.

I don’t know why, but it seemed this year’s Thanksgiving break was just about perfect, kicking off with my birthday on Wednesday and winding up with family not-thanksgiving today; my sister-in-law came up and we had lasagna, which is traditional, right? Anyway, I’ve been away from the grindstone just long enough, and it’s back to work today.

A few things we did:

** Had a Friendsgiving this year. There were some scheduling changes this year, and so we were freed to have the big banquet in the evening, not at 1 p.m., our usual time. You ask me, I think the candles sparkle brighter on the table after the sun goes down, but I bend to the will of the crowd — I’m just there to cook. But because of the later hour, we had more friends at our table, and it was lovely. The wine was spectacular, I made a stuffed boneless turkey breast and I just ate the last of it in a sandwich. Makes a nice bookend on the weekend.

** Saw “Spotlight,” the film about the Boston Globe’s priest pedophilia investigation. To paraphrase David Simon, for a journalist, it’s like watching porn. Just a really well-done film, admirably underplayed, that doesn’t traffic in shadowy parking-garage meetings or other low-rent cloak-and-dagger stuff. Journalism in stories like this mostly takes place in ugly offices and fluorescent-lit courthouses and other unglamorous places, where everybody dresses badly, in shades of beige, black, navy and oxford-shirt blue. Underdoing it like this gives the brief scenes where someone speaks a raw truth — “And then one day he asks you to jerk him off or give him a blowjob, and now you have another secret” — a great deal of power. The cranks, like the founder of the victims group SNAP, are not de-cranked for narrative purposes, and the strange, twitchy victims, you can immediately see, were chosen by their abusers because they were strange, twitchy kids.

I can’t think of any part of the story that was goosed for dramatic purposes, with the possible exception of one montage scene, where a children’s choir sings and a character comes to terms with the inexorable evil he and his colleagues are confronting. And that was hardly unforgivable, given some of the nonsense I’ve seen in journalism movies over the years.

** Went to the Eastern Market on Saturday. Beheld this:


No comment.

** Started a new book, “Slade House,” which Kate gave me for my birthday. I put aside Margaret Atwood for now, which I now see is worth the very low price I paid for it in Toronto.

** Finally, we cut the cord. The cable cord, that is. Those of you who have dealt with Comcast know what it’s like to deal with Comcast, so I won’t bore you with the details. But we got rid of the digital-cable box, picked up HBO Now and Showtime-via-stream, and Alan picked up a weird-looking antenna, with which we can receive all the local channels, in widescreen HD, and I think that’s going to do us just fine. Net savings: $110 a month. I’ll take it.

And now the holidays start in earnest. I have a jump on my shopping and for once am facing the next month un-frazzled and almost, dare I admit? A little festive. Let’s get into it. And let’s start this week.

Posted at 12:16 am in Movies, Same ol' same ol' |

46 responses to “Dry turkey.”

  1. Hattie said on November 30, 2015 at 12:32 am

    Maybe it’s the tryptophan, but I, too, am facing the upcoming season in a suspiciously tranquil frame of mind.

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  2. Dexter said on November 30, 2015 at 1:42 am

    Dorothy (that unabashed OSU Buckeye) finished the last thread with a comment on a co-worker who sounded like Gregory Peck , and it made me think I should pass on this bit of news buried deep on the wire the week before last: Ted Williams, the formerly homeless man with the melodious announcer’s voice, the man who later landed a job as the announcer for Kraft Foods Macaroni and Cheese TV ads, is still doing very well. He’s also running for President (POTUS). He got a $300,000 advance for his book and it appears he is handling the success OK now.
    Thanksgiving for us was in Columbus at my daughter’s sister-in-law’s home. Turkey, ham, all that good stuff, including for-real cooked from scratch cranberries, the only item I insisted on having alongside my drumstick.

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  3. Sherri said on November 30, 2015 at 2:46 am

    The last time we didn’t do Friendsgiving was when my husband and I got married over Thanksgiving weekend. That was 28 years ago last Saturday! And we always do an evening dinner. The target time for dinner is usually 5, but it’s usually 6 or 6:30 by the time we get everything ready to go and all 16 people at the table. It’s not family by blood, but it’s family in that we’ve been doing this together for many years with the same group, and the kids who were once in the 6-10 age range are now in the 21-25 age range, and contributing dishes of their own. The event was pleasant and relaxed with much good food and talk, great wine according to others, and interesting things to discuss with everyone. A big brined turkey, the most amazing gravy, wonderful marinated tri-tip brought up from California and cooked on the grill, and the usual suspects. I’m beginning to think I might be interested in eating again sometime.

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  4. MarcG said on November 30, 2015 at 2:46 am

    $110 per month for cable TV? Must be a typo.

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  5. Deborah said on November 30, 2015 at 2:54 am

    We drove my husband down to the airport in Albuquerque yesterday morning at the butt crack of dawn. His plane got back to Chicago 40 minutes early. Tailwinds. He comes back to Santa Fe in less than 2 weeks and stays for a whole month.

    We’ve been talking about cutting the cable cord too in Santa Fe. but LB likes Game of Thrones so much. Can you get HBO Go without cable? That would clinch it.

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  6. alex said on November 30, 2015 at 7:02 am

    Last time I did Friendsgiving was when I lived in Chicago, where there were lots of transplants who didn’t bother to travel for such an inconsequential holiday. And we’d be more likely to cook up something like paella instead of turkey. Although I do remember cooking my first turkey for such a gathering, along with my failure to realize that the neck cavity was stuffed with plastic bags containing the neck, giblets and a gravy mix. The smoke alarms had their work cut out for them that day.

    One year for Thanksgiving one of my besties and I decided to roadtrip to Atlanta to stay in a gay bed-and-breakfast that we’d seen advertised. I took great foolish pride in the fact that I was able to drive a car with a stick on the interstate while simultaneously rolling joints and smoking them like there was no tomorrow. We had Thanksgiving dinner at a gay restaurant staffed by comedic drag queens who were wisecracking about bodily functions and dragging ginormously overstuffed garbage bags around with them. Then we went to a gay bar where the entertainment was a drag queen who billed herself as “the Bitch of the South,” and she was the most foul-mouthed, raunchy comedian we had ever seen.

    The B&B was a letdown. We didn’t get the mini-fridge full of booze that had been promised and there were dirty condoms under the beds.

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  7. Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on November 30, 2015 at 7:03 am

    In the church (liturgical) calendar, yesterday was the first day of a new year. First Sunday of Advent launches a new lectionary cycle (the recommended readings for each Sunday’s service, it’s now Year C in a three year rotation focusing on Matthew, Mark, & Luke with John getting scattered around the Passiontide/Holy Week & other readings) and there are some other general re-sets.

    2015 has been such a grim droning chant of deaths & debility among friends & family, let alone my aging church family, I find myself eager to jump to a fresh start of any sort, so: Happy New Year everybody! And I’m going to watch the Charlie Brown Christmas special tonight, and try not to think about what it means that this is the 50th anniversary of the program . . .

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  8. Jolene said on November 30, 2015 at 7:47 am

    Deborah, you can get HBO without a cable subscription. It’s called HBO Now. As a new subscriber, you’re eligible for a free month of service. Thereafter, it’s $14.95/month.

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  9. Deborah said on November 30, 2015 at 9:25 am

    Jolene, does HBO Now work with Chromecast? I looked it up and it seems to only work with Roku whatever that is?

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  10. Julie Robinson said on November 30, 2015 at 10:00 am

    Chromecast takes anything from your computer and puts it on the TV, so I see no reason it wouldn’t work with HBO Now. We have one and it’s pretty darn handy. We also have a Roku, which is a teeny-tiny computer that you plug into the TV and then can access Hulu, Netflix, and a bunch of other channels like Crackle. Hubby likes that one for Seinfeld’s Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee, or whatever it’s called. But you have Apple devices, right?, and I don’t know if Chromecast works with Apple.

    We missed the first Sunday in Advent because we were working on my mom’s house in Illinois, and she got sick with a tummy bug. At one point she laid down on the floor (!) and I didn’t think we were ever going to get her up again. I’m good with driving her around and helping with paperwork and phone calls, but woefully unprepared for the sickness part of caregiving. It was very scary.

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  11. Jolene said on November 30, 2015 at 10:38 am

    Roku is, essentially, a different version of Chromecast. I have it on one of my TVs; the other one is a Samsung Smart TV, so doesn’t require an additional device such as Roku or Chromecast to connect the TV to the Internet. I actually like the Roku device better though. The user interface is superior, which means that it’s easier to navigate from one channel to another and to search for shows. Have had it for several years, and I remain very satisfied with it.

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  12. coozledad said on November 30, 2015 at 10:44 am


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  13. Jolene said on November 30, 2015 at 10:56 am

    Deborah, just googled “Does HBO Now work with Roku/Chromecast?” Answer to both questions is yes.

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  14. coozledad said on November 30, 2015 at 11:06 am


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  15. Deborah said on November 30, 2015 at 11:27 am

    Thanks for the info about Roku. We just got Chromecast a couple of weeks ago and it works great. It does indeed work on Apple devices. It’s a Google product. I didn’t think to Google that particular question, thanks Jolene. That’s the thing about researching online, you have to ask the right questions. We will probably move forward with HBO Now and give up on cable TV. We already reduced our Comcast bill by giving up our land line. Now we will only need it for the Internet. Yay!

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  16. Icarus said on November 30, 2015 at 11:30 am

    ah talking about media streaming boxes is like porn for IT geeks like me. There’s the hardware (Roku, AppleTV, Chromcast, Amazon Fire TV, there might be one I’m missing) and the “software” aka the subscription service like HBO Now, Netfix, Hulu, etc. and then there are Smart TVs you can buy which have these softwares available but some Smart TVs don’t play nice (I’m looking at you Samsung).

    We have SlingTV, Amazon Prime, Netflix and Hulu. The thing is you still have to have internet access and our choices are Comcast or AT&T. We are stuck with Comcast for the immediate future. We only have comcast internet which comes with the basic cable channels because it’s apparently too costly for them to block them out.

    Our smart TV in the basement uses a simple OTA antenna and I’ve run LAN cable to the modem so there are no wireless glitches.

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  17. brian stouder said on November 30, 2015 at 12:01 pm

    Cooz’s link at 14 is a good (enlightening) article.

    It dove-tails (a little) with the macro-60’s books I’ve been reading lately (a [Nelson] Rockefeller bio by Smith, and a JFK bio by Reeves), which knocks the sheen off of nostalgic look-backs, and/or would’ve/could’ve thinking

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  18. basset said on November 30, 2015 at 12:22 pm

    Meanwhile, hipster shopping in the big D:


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  19. Deborah said on November 30, 2015 at 12:38 pm

    I hate to keep bringing this up again, but I really don’t understand why the authorities and the press (etc) keep pretending they don’t know what the motives of the Planned Parenthood shooter were? Josh Marshall seems to have the same thoughts I do about this http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/malign-hesitation. Is this a journalism thing? To remain objective? I don’t get it?

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  20. Charlotte said on November 30, 2015 at 12:49 pm

    Deborah — you might also look into getting an HD antenna to pick up the local stations — I cut the cord ages ago, and my Mohu Leaf (Amazon has a bunch of them) is fabulous. It’s this little flat plastic thing about the size of a piece of paper, you stick it to the wall, plug it into one of the HDMI slots in the back of your TV — and if you live with a sports fan like I do, well, the HD reception, even here in nowhere-Montana is amazing.
    I have both a Roku and an older Apple TV device — I far prefer the Roku. Apple is too Apple-y for lack of a better term — if I wanted someone to “curate” everything for me, then I guess I’d like Apple — ugh. I subscribe to Hulu without ads, Netflix, get Amazon as part of Prime, and also ponied up for Acorn TV because I like English police procedurals while I’m doing the clicky tedious parts of my day job. We also get MLB.com in the summer because they don’t run that many Red Sox games out here — same for NHL.com. Nice to just be able to turn a game on without having to think about recording it or getting home at a certain time.

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  21. coozledad said on November 30, 2015 at 12:56 pm

    Deborah: same reason there aren’t any Democrats on the Sunday shows. The business of TV news is to abet Republican policies and candidacies, and to twist their own dicks up their asses trying to find false equivalencies. They own this killing just as much as the shooter, the lunatic dominionist scrod and the Republican party. And sadly, Rebecca Schoenkopf is right: They have no fucking shame, and it’s utterly pointless to talk it into them.
    I put this comment out at alicublog, in response to the right’s projectile assertion that the left is a death cult. They’re doubling down on the murders.
    I think the brain trust of the party originally ginned this “pro-life” bullshit up to draw some more booger-pickers out to vote. I thought it might give them some pause once the killing began in earnest, but now I believe they view it through the same lens as everything else- a possible opportunity for a property grab. Once they criminalize women’s health care they can sell it off in parcels, and pursue asset forfeiture for patients as well as providers. Money is the only god they know.

    Don’t look for any motive beyond the raw-ass greed that gets these evil fucks out of bed to see what they can suck out of the world every day. As for the dupes and morons they’ve enlisted in their passion play, I can’t see how it would hurt to exchange a prison population of small time drug offenders with the murderers-in waiting of the evangelical right:

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  22. Deborah said on November 30, 2015 at 1:08 pm

    And here’s an updated bit from Josh on the same subject I linked to earlier http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/are-we-really-in-doubt.

    I got off of the phone with Comcast and as I suspected I really don’t save anything on discontinuing cable TV and only going to internet service. At least as long as my current discount is in effect. Once that goes away in March of 2017, I’ll definitely call them back and see where I am.

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  23. Dorothy said on November 30, 2015 at 1:41 pm

    We saw Spotlight on Saturday and really, really liked it. Saw Suffragette earlier in the week and that was good too. I love this little theater in downtown Dayton – it’s our first choice of where to go to see movies most of the time. They only show two at at time and they’re usually the off-the-beaten-path ones, which is a dumb way to describe them but you all know what I mean.

    We too are talking about dropping cable and going to Roku, Chromecast, etc. We already have Chromecast – our son gave it to us for Christmas last year. I thought Mike said we need to use Amazon somehow to get HBO/Showtime. He talks to co-workers about what they are doing and I’m a little overwhelmed by all the options. But what we pay for cable vs. how much we use it is ridiculous. It will be nice to save $$ each month if we drop it.

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  24. Dexter said on November 30, 2015 at 2:01 pm

    I am starting to feel like a chump here. Time Warner Cable just increased my monthly rate by $18 and added nothing. I am up to $209 per month… internet, TV, no phones.

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  25. Dorothy said on November 30, 2015 at 2:31 pm

    We have Time Warner too, Dexter. Cable, internet, land line. We get HBO and Showtime and our bill is $250/month. Outrageous.

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  26. Judybusy said on November 30, 2015 at 2:32 pm

    Deborah, that is our situation as well. We are having a lot of trouble streaming our services right now; I really need to stop procrastinating and call Comcast to get it resolved. FWIW, even though they have a horrible reputation, I have usually had good customer service from them.

    Wow, Dexter, that’s insane!

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  27. Connie said on November 30, 2015 at 2:40 pm

    Comcast cable and internet, around $180.

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  28. Jolene said on November 30, 2015 at 3:00 pm

    I have Comcast cable, Internet and phone, plus HBO and Showtime. Am currently paying $235. Last time I called them about price, it was cheaper to keep the phone service than to drop it. More recently, I called them about some other issue, and they added Cinemax and Starz and dropped the price $25/month. Sounds like it might be time to try again. Am not sure, though, that dropping cable is the way for me to go. I’m a PBS devotee, so would miss that. Perhaps the stations I want would be available in a basic cable subscription. Also not sure whether, as an apartment dweller, an antenna would work for me.

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  29. ROGirl said on November 30, 2015 at 3:23 pm

    I switched to comcast in December after many years with WOW. They kept on raising the price and the options weren’t very good. I bundked phone, internet and cable. If you drop one the price goes up. I had to go to the comcast office and get a new modem, then a new remote. It was a pain, but I like the on demand, and I have HBO currently.

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  30. Sherri said on November 30, 2015 at 3:38 pm

    Comcast cable, Internet, and phone, with HBO, around $155 after all the surcharges and taxes and fees. The service itself is $140. I bought my own modem for phone and Internet, so I don’t pay a monthly charge for the modem, and I have a Tivo, which uses cable cards, so I don’t have a cable box, either, so no monthly charge there. I resisted adding phone to my Comcast package for a long time, because I wanted to keep a copper landline, but the constant stream of telemarketers, political calls, etc finally pushed me over the edge. Apparently, for legal reasons, phone companies won’t provide upstream blocking, but VOIP providers will. I can edit a list on my Comcast account that prevents numbers from ever ringing my phone, and I’m much happier.

    I keep a landline for the same reason I have multiple email accounts: to separate friends and family and important stuff from random stuff. The first group get my cell number and my personal email; the second group get my land line and one of my other emails.

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  31. susan said on November 30, 2015 at 4:18 pm

    About $75/month for landline (smaller national service) and internet (local provider) combined. Add in a phone card at 2.8¢/minute for long distance. Plus a TracFone™®© for a cell, and that’s not a contract. Hundred bucks a year buys 800+ minutes and rolls over the accumulated minutes, which right now amount to more than 6500 since I hardly ever use it. Works for me. That’s all I need. I cannot believe paying $250/month for this shit. Holy cow. That’s more than my rent was 10 years ago!

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  32. Charlotte said on November 30, 2015 at 4:57 pm

    Jolene @28 — not only does PBS have a very good station on my Roku (and Apple TV), but on my HD antenna I get FIVE PBS stations! Who knew there were so many? One is regular, one kids, one “creative” — cooking, building, etc — there’s a local legislature one and something else.

    I have Charter out here — pay $55 a month for internet only. Sadly we’re down to just Charter or a local ISP that does wireless — and we’re all having trouble with some break in the fiber optic line that no one wants to own to go fix.

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  33. Bitter Scribe said on November 30, 2015 at 5:03 pm

    If it weren’t for sports, I would cut the cable so damn fast…

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  34. Deborah said on November 30, 2015 at 5:04 pm

    Comcast/Infinity bundle for Cable TV and Internet in Santa Fe is $99+ fees. I just got back from Best Buy to get a modem because I’ve been renting one all this time for $10 a month. Plus I pay an extra $13 a month for something called Blast Internet which I didn’t ask for but they convinced me that it makes everything twice as fast. I fell for it. When I called today to drop the cable TV they told me my monthly bill for internet alone would be $110 (including fees). So I decided to keep what I’ve got until my discount runs out, which they’re telling me is March of 2017. The cost without discount right now would be $149+ fees, we’ll see how much it will be by 3/17. The modem I bought was about $75, I’ve paid $10 a month for 3 years to rent the one they installed when we got this place in Santa Fe. Stupid. Our bill goes to Chicago and my husband pays for it there, so he didn’t know what he was looking at and I never usually see the bills. My lesson from all of this is to look at the bills and try to understand what’s going on. Next I’m tackling our AT&T bill which is astronomical for 3 iPhones, 2 landlines in Chicago and crappy, crappy DSL there. We have to have those 2 landlines because our doorman service doesn’t allow DSL to be on the same line. Also, our building didn’t have internet cable available but now it does. Since we’re downsizing relatively soon we’re going to wait to change over until we purchase another smaller unit.

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  35. Colleen said on November 30, 2015 at 5:25 pm

    Any ideas on ESPN? We’d cut the cord if not for my husband’s unnatural attachment to SportsCenter. And Mike and Mike. And Pardon the Interruption. Until he can get it some other way, we’re staying hooked up to DirectTv.

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  36. Sandy said on November 30, 2015 at 5:29 pm

    In rural Allen County, Indiana, we pay $23 monthly for Frontier DSL which works about 40% of the time. We have no other internet option, and Frontier customer service kept me on the phone two hours last I called, with no resolution to the problem. Land line: $36 monthly. Netflix: less than $10 per month. Cut cable years ago when we had 100 channels but nothing to watch. I prefer reading.

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  37. Jolene said on November 30, 2015 at 6:04 pm

    Motivated by all you sensible folks, I called Comcast to see what they could offer me, but didn’t get much satisfaction. First, like Deborah, I have a contract that runs for another 18 months, a result of my last negotiation with them which I had forgotten. So there’s a cancellation fee that declines by $10/month over the period of the contract. Also, you have to have a certain level of cable service to make use of the DVR, which is crucial to my existence. Would I save money with a TiVo, Sherri?

    I do have the PBS app on my Roku, Charlotte. Will have to check to see what time The NewsHour becomes available. If it’s the next day as, I think, is the case with most shows, that wouldn’t be useful. Still, I’ll check.

    Should also, I guess, check on the modem situation. I seem to be paying about $50/month for equipment charges, which includes the modem and cable boxes for each of three TVs. (Two are ancillary. I’m not sure of the technicalities, but one is a master of some sort. The other two get their functionality from being linked to it.)

    On the whole, I’m very satisfied with the set-up I have. Last time they updated the cable box (at no charge), I ended up with a system that allows me to watch anything I’ve recorded in any room and to record from any room. Also, the user interface for searching and recording has improved greatly with this latest update, and the recording capacity is greater. Even the remotes are better.

    Looks like, if I wanted to save money, I would have to sacrifice more than I’m willing to right now. Since I seem to be stuck with what I have for a while, I guess it’s good that I’m pleased with the service.

    Having not succeeded in saving any money at Comcast, I called T-Mobile to see if I could whittle that bill down a bit, but I am already paying only $30/month for unlimited voice, text, and data. It’s paying for the phone that makes the bill a bite in the behind.

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  38. alex said on November 30, 2015 at 6:13 pm

    I have Mediacom Internet and land line; they serve part of rural Allen County. I think I’m paying about $55 a month for that and then use an HD antenna and Roku. Severed ties with Frontier a few years back because their service sucked as badly as their ever-increasing rates and nothing channel lineup. Had Direct TV for a while and also found it lacking; dropped it as soon as I was out of contract. The latter two have been barraging me with special offers ever since I quit them.

    Matter of fact an e-mail just arrived from Direct TV this instant: $19.99 a month with a free Genie HD DVR upgrade, numerous premium channels free for three months and a $200 Visa gift card. Are they cyberstalking me or what? They can kiss my faggot ass.

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  39. Deborah said on November 30, 2015 at 6:34 pm

    It’s interesting to see here how different the Comcast plans are from place to place. I didn’t mention that during my call Comcast agreed to cut my bill another $10 to make it $89+ fees, they said it was because I asked about how I could reduce my bill and because they appreciate me as a long time customer… riiiiight. Then if I get the $10 deduction for not renting the modem anymore that will make it $79+ fees per month. Every little bit helps. Right? Of course this is all going to end at some point when they decide I’m not worth the deductions/discounts anymore.

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  40. David C. said on November 30, 2015 at 6:50 pm

    Our needs are pretty simple, so I pay only $45 per month for AT&T U-verse internet and bounce back and forth between U-verse and Time Warner Cable internet whenever either one raises their prices and the other doesn’t. I bet I’ve switched 3 times in the past 5 years. 20mbps is plenty for steaming one show at a time. I get telephone from ITP VOIP $9.99 a month for 500 minutes which is usually plenty for us and extra minutes are dead cheap. The only add on fee is for local 911. Then an antenna and Roku for TV. Sports are a problem for streaming. I get MLB.tv for baseball, but there isn’t a way to get ESPN without a cable subscription… …yet. Any content provider who doesn’t want to lose customers will have to have go to streaming.

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  41. Julie Robinson said on November 30, 2015 at 7:43 pm

    Sports fans will probably be the last cable subscribers, there doesn’t seem to be a good alternative right now. And while we pay zero for cable, our cell bill is $250/month because we’re indulgent parents who haven’t cut our kids off and they use lots of data.

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  42. David C. said on November 30, 2015 at 8:38 pm

    Now that I think about it, there are a lot of sports channels on Ruku. You just can’t be too particular. If you like something improbable like Tibetan yak polo or cricket, there’s probably a channel for that. Any of the major sports, not so much.

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  43. Calliope said on November 30, 2015 at 9:31 pm

    Colleen, Sling TV has ESPN and ESPN 2 as part of it’s $20.00 a month plan. I’m planning to cut the cable cord ‘real soon now’, and am looking at Sling TV, but haven’t tried it yet.

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  44. Sherri said on November 30, 2015 at 9:52 pm

    I probably will be one of the last cable subscribers, because of sports. What would I do if I couldn’t watch random women’s college basketball games, or 15 college football games on one day, or Steph Curry’s jump shot every now and then? (Don’t answer that.) I think there is a product now though that provides basic ESPN without cable; I believe it’s with Sling TV. I’m not sure whether everything your husband wants would be available, Colleen, but something to look into.

    Jolene, I don’t think you’d save money with a Tivo. I’m a long-time Tivo fan, have had one since soon after they first came out, long before cable companies had DVRs, and I like their user interface better. But, you have to buy the Tivo box, and then either pay a monthly subscription for the Tivo service or pay a lifetime (of the box) fee for the service. I believe that with the current prices of the monthly subscription and lifetime fee, it takes about three years to pay off. My first two boxes lasted at least five years; my current box is two years old. I haven’t gotten my lifetime fee’s worth out of this box yet, but that new Tivo Bolt is awfully tempting!

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  45. Kirk said on November 30, 2015 at 9:57 pm

    Glad to know I don’t have the highest cable bill around here. I like having choices; they’re costly.

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  46. Sherri said on November 30, 2015 at 11:01 pm

    Cooz, just to let you know, Washington is open to refugees. http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/11/robert_lewis_dear_is_one_of_many_religious_extremists_bred_in_north_carolina.html

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