My workday today was precisely, I mean to the minute, 12 hours long. I rolled down the driveway at 5:50 a.m. and back up at 5:50 p.m. To be sure, I made a short detour to Ann Arbor to drop an amp off to a bassist I know there, but the rest of it was talking and driving.
This was the way west:
Super moonset through the windshield, sunrise in the rearview.
As you can imagine, I was off the internet pretty much all day, and I’m exhausted. But I think it’s important to share this, and share it widely:
On Monday, November 14, six days after Donald Trump’s election as the next president of the United States, and on the day that Trump had selected Steve Bannon to be his strategic adviser, I came home to a letter addressed to me personally, at my home.
The envelope contained four pages’ worth of anti-Semitic propaganda printed on three sheets of paper.
Here we go. Again.
Icarus said on November 15, 2016 at 8:31 pm
This has been one long week…and it’s only Tuesday. You said something about stop with the memes already. I wonder if we could extend that to slim straws of hope that the Electoral College will shift their votes to Hilary instead of Trump and the boycotts of businesses that support Trump. Look at the longest boycott in history — the embargo against Cuba — all it did was make it harder for rich old white guys to get good cigars. And make life more sucky for the average Cuban citizen.
alex said on November 15, 2016 at 9:59 pm
I just got home from the Underground Railroad meeting at the Waterloo Public Library, which was rather more of an introductory lesson (no, tunnels on your property don’t mean anything except people didn’t want their cows to die when the snow was six feet deep on the ground; written accounts by your ancestors stating that they were breaking the law by harboring fugitives is pretty much the only accepted proof). An interesting meeting nonetheless.
I can’t believe the media are rolling over and pretending that anti-semitic propaganda of that sort, typical of Bannon, is being reframed as just another point of view and as legitimate as the next one But I saw what happened in the run-up to the Iraq debacle, so nothing surprises me.
Ready for beddy-bye. I haven’t gotten comfortable with the idea that this is just a passing phase that might last four years. I still awaken with night terrors and my blood pressure isn’t assuaged by meds during my waking hours. This shit is fucking bizarre and the world’s denial reaction is even scarier than the shit itself.
Jolene said on November 15, 2016 at 10:33 pm
Earlier today, His Orangeness was irritated by news of Hillary’s popular vote victory. Now he’s evidently annoyed by the leaks reporting chaos and infighting in his transition effort. His latest tweet:
Very organized process taking place as I decide on Cabinet and many other positions. I am the only one who knows who the finalists are!>/I>
Jean Shaw said on November 15, 2016 at 11:08 pm
There’s a movement afoot to print out stories of anti-Semitism, racism, etc. and mail them to Paul Ryan.
Jolene said on November 15, 2016 at 11:32 pm
Jean, I think that’s a good idea, but US Mail is not a good way to send things to the Capitol. Since the 2001 anthrax scare, mail goes through a slow-moving security service and takes forever to be delivered–or so I’ve heard. Is someone organizing this? Would it be better to send the mail to his district office or to another location from which they could be delivered in person?
Here is a good essay on the rise of authoritarian nationalism in a place most of us probably don’t know much about: India. It will sound terrifyingly familiar.
Sherri said on November 16, 2016 at 2:07 am
Steve Bannon as Senior Advisor. Now extreme Islamaphobe Frank Gaffney on the transition team. Kris Kobach, who wrote the “Papers, please” legislation and is an extreme anti-immigration activist, rumored to be the favorite for AG.
But no racism to see here, move along.
The ACLU is going to be busy.
ROGirl said on November 16, 2016 at 5:05 am
I’m shocked, shocked that Trump appointed someone who has provided a platform for white supremicists.
This is just the beginning, folks.
basset said on November 16, 2016 at 6:16 am
Most recent years I’ve been in deer camp in Newaygo County about now, the Michigan season always starts on November 15; passed on it this year, though, too many people and not enough deer in the woods. Staying in Tennessee for this one.
Suzanne said on November 16, 2016 at 7:07 am
The economic miracle of Daniels/Pence continues. I can’t wait until America is as great as Indiana! http://www.indystar.com/story/money/2016/11/14/rexnord-finalizes-plan-close-indianapolis-plant-union-leader-blasts-corporate-greed/93816824/
Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on November 16, 2016 at 7:38 am
Question for Sherri: would you say people like me are not helping when we try to point out to our friends & associates on the right that it’s not so much that there’s any reason to think Trump/Bannon is racist or homophobic themselves, but that there’s unmistakable evidence that they’re very willing to motivate and mobilize and use racist and homophobic folk and ideas to advance their aims?
I understand that to many that’s a distinction without a difference, but it seems like a way behind the defenses of some Trump supporters.
alex said on November 16, 2016 at 7:56 am
Just had a weird fucking experience.
I e-mailed myself at work from my home computer to send myself a reminder. Instead of my signature, the e-mail sent from home says it’s from “Apple Computer Inc.” At first blush I thought it was spam. How can Apple hijack my e-mail signature? What the hell is this shit?
Deborah said on November 16, 2016 at 8:28 am
I read this in the Santa Fe newspaper on line, Fox News Megan Kelly had the SF mayor on last night and then introduced him as being from Santa Fe, California. I watched the video and boy howdy I didn’t realize Ms Kelly was such a motor mouth. I thought the mayor did a good job when he could get a word in edgewise, it was about the issue of sanctuary cities ://www.google.com/amp/insider.foxnews.com/amp/article/52532?client=safari
Deborah said on November 16, 2016 at 8:30 am
Oops try this https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5EeTQmYiPaA
Peter said on November 16, 2016 at 9:16 am
Basset, when you said there were too many people, did you mean hunters or alt-right fanatics? If it’s the latter I commend you for your restraint.
Peter said on November 16, 2016 at 9:22 am
I feel bad for the Vox writer who received the anti-semitic crap. On the other hand, maybe all of the hatred is like a boil that needs to be exposed so it can be lanced. I never cease to be amazed at what the wackadoodles can develop as conspiracy theory. Like when the Texas state government thought that the feds were going to invade them. Oh, and of course the fluoride! and the vaccines!
Suzanne said on November 16, 2016 at 9:25 am
The thing with Bannon and the alt-right is that, in my neck of the prairie, these views are actually pretty mainstream. I read things that Bannon has said and I think that it’s nothing different than I hear all the time. The so-called elites, I fear, are getting this one wrong, too, trying to combat it with logic and facts. People in my county won’t bat an eye at anti-Semitism, for the most part, because they don’t actually know any Jews. Same with immigrants & Muslims. If you ship them all off to some far land, it won’t affect the good people in this area much. They might feel a touch of sorrow for those poor benighted souls, but life will go on as normal.
Deborah said on November 16, 2016 at 9:50 am
Here’s a fascinating graphic of the two Americas with respect to geography http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/16/us/politics/the-two-americas-of-2016.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur
Deborah said on November 16, 2016 at 9:54 am
Jeff (tmmo) could you link here to that piece you linked to on Facebook? The one that is Bannon describing his vision in his own words. I would love to hear what people here have to say about it. For some reason I can’t seem to link to it.
Bitter Scribe said on November 16, 2016 at 10:30 am
Wow, the guy who sent that propaganda to the Vox writer was sure filled with economic anxiety, wasn’t he?
brian stouder said on November 16, 2016 at 10:38 am
Bannon is a wife beater who doesn’t like to shave; and if he wishes to look and act like a caveman, I say – he belongs in a cave, rather than the West Wing of the White House
Deborah said on November 16, 2016 at 11:17 am
Ok here is the link that I was referring to in my comment #17, the Jeff linked to on Facebook (well actually Jeff linked to some else’s Twitter feed, who linked to it). It’s about Bannon’s vision in his own words from a transcript of things he said at a Seminar https://www.buzzfeed.com/lesterfeder/this-is-how-steve-bannon-sees-the-entire-world?utm_term=.rtK5rW I found it interesting, very crafty in its wording with some dangerous parts, at least to me. I read it a couple of times to try to figure out what he was really saying. I’m not sure if my link will work, because I’ve been having a hard time making it work for some reason.
Sherri said on November 16, 2016 at 11:18 am
Jeff(tmmo), I’ll admit to not knowing the best way to get behind the defenses of Trump voters, other than to suspect that it’s a long process not accomplished in one discussion with logic. And I don’t know if you’re helping or hurting with that approach. My disagreement with that approach is that I tend to prefer to focus on actions, rather than on intent, because “I didn’t mean to hurt anyone” never resolves us of the responsibility for having hurt someone. So, whether Trump and Bannon and themselves racist in intent, their actions and choices have certainly precipitated and promoted acts of racism by others.
I also think we have plenty of direct evidence that Trump and Bannon have done racist and misogynistic hints themselves, so that what you’re saying to the supporters isn’t actually true. I’m not sure avoiding the truth gets behind defenses so much as reassures that the defenses are appropriate.
Here’s an article I found on persuasion that I’m thinking about, which you might find helpful: http://www.baileythebookworm.com/single-post/2016/11/15/Building-a-House-Using-Rhetorical-Strategies-to-Persuade
Sherri said on November 16, 2016 at 11:44 am
More on Facebook: https://trackchanges.postlight.com/facebook-2016-election-4bbda7d33727#.eycdsynqk
I should note that I have a number of friends who work at Facebook. Facebook is the hot place to work right now, because they have lots of interesting technical problems, not much process in the way of getting stuff done, and a user base with data on that base like no other. That lack of process I refer to is a lack of nontechnical people in the way of the engineers. From what I’ve observed, the thing most likely to change that, to slow things done so that something other than the fun stuff gets considered, is being sued. Repeatedly. Preferably by the DOJ, but that’s not likely to happen in the next 4 years.
Connie said on November 16, 2016 at 11:47 am
I just called my Dad to wish him a happy 85th birthday. He told me he couldn’t talk because my nephew Sam was about to call him back and needed $5,000 right away to get out of jail. I told Dad this was likely a scam and he needed to make sure he was really Sam, perhaps by asking all four last names his mother has had. (Hoving Ozinga Vandenberg Willow) I then messaged Sam on facebook who immediately responded that he was about to call his grandfather.
My nephew Sam makes more money than my generation, he is a corporate super hacker catcher! He used to be the hacker catcher for the FAA. He’s the last one of us to be asking for money.
So my Dad suspected something was wrong but wanted to help his grandson out. Learning experience for all.
A. Riley said on November 16, 2016 at 11:51 am
My husband and I were having that same conversation at dinner last night — what to do or say if someone says something Bannonesque in our presence.
Logical persuasion is of no use with things like that, because their view doesn’t have anything to do with logic.
I think that from where we stand — as privileged older upper-middle-class white people — all we can do is make it clear that we don’t approve of that kind of talk and we don’t want to hear it. It’s weak sauce for sure, but at least it’s a boundary. At least they know that we’re not with them.
I blurted out something like that when my sister-in-law was going on about the Mexicans one day. “People said exactly the same stuff about the Irish [we’re Irish] a hundred and fifty years ago, and it was bigotry then and it’s bigotry now, and I don’t want to hear another word of it!” I was so amazed to hear that come out of my mouth — and so was she. But I’ve never heard another word of it from her since.
I don’t know what I would do or say if someone boasted about sending a letter like the one in the linked story. I really don’t.
Suzanne said on November 16, 2016 at 11:52 am
Someone like Mark Zuckerberg lives in isolation from great segments of society. I doubt it would ever occur to him that a)people would actually manufacture so much fake news and b)that a large segment of society wouldn’t know the difference [web addresses like inyourface.com or suckitup.com should clue people in, but doesn’t] and c)huge numbers of people would share content on Facebook based on the title without even a cursory glance at the source or the date.
Sherri said on November 16, 2016 at 12:10 pm
My typical approach in discussing a difficult topic like racism, like I did with the friends at church on Sunday, is to focus on actions, not intent, and impact. When my friend said that Trump didn’t run a racist campaign, I talked about the things Trump said, and even if he was exaggerating, could they imagine how those statements would make people feel? i never called my friends racist, I never directly said they were tolerant of racism; what I said was, given what an openly racist, misogynistic, xenophobic campaign Trump ran, given the way he courted white supremacists, it wa difficult for me to view a vote for Trump as anything other than accepting of bigotry, even if that wasn’t the primary motive.
They didn’t suddenly see the light, but I spoke my truth, and I tried to do so in a loving way. My first AA sponsor taught me a set of rules to apply before saying something difficult like that. Does it need to be said? Can I say it in love? Does it need to be said by me?
I spent way too many years making myself small to make others comfortable, and I don’t anymore. I speak my truth. I just try to remember those questions. And I try to remember it’s my truth, not the truth.
And then there’s my family, where none of this applies, because the baggage is still so heavy.
Sherri said on November 16, 2016 at 12:17 pm
No, nothing racist here, just enabling racists:
“When two-thirds or three-quarters of the CEOs in Silicon Valley are from South Asia or from Asia, I think . . . ” Bannon said, not finishing the sentence. “A country is more than an economy. We’re a civic society.”
basset said on November 16, 2016 at 12:18 pm
Too many hunters, Peter – the state fish & game agency estimates 525,000, down from about 750,000 when I lived up there in the late 70s.
Still enough, though, for wandering idiots to walk up on you, even on private land… happened to me the last time I was up there, four young guys came out of the trees right in front of me. “Uhhh, we’re doin’ a deer drive.” We’re adjacent to Federal land so they just wander in, keep-out signs mean nothing.
The woods are full of armed yahoos this time of year, too many of em with no concept of basic forearms safety. The chance of seeing a deer is low, and it’s a twelve-hour drive away.
I suppose there are plenty of far-righters around, I try to avoid the topic though… everyone I hunt with is a good lib’rul.
basset said on November 16, 2016 at 12:20 pm
Firearms safety, I should say. Popeye we ain’t.
Jolene said on November 16, 2016 at 12:32 pm
Connie, is there a “not” missing from the last sentence of your first paragraph in @24?
Deborah said on November 16, 2016 at 12:36 pm
Sherri, I mentioned this before and I’ll say it again. I think you should run for an office of some kind. You sound like you’ve got what it takes and we need people like you. Of course I live thousands of miles from you and have no idea what your local political situation is, except I know that WA is a blue state. Are the suburbs around Seattle blue too? That graphic I linked to that showed the two Americas showed that most larger cities went for Hillary but that many of the surrounding suburbs did not.
And Brian too, you have what it takes to run for office, especially related to schools.
You journalist here, you folks have the ability to know what’s going on and how to interpret it. We need people like you in government.
Suzanne said on November 16, 2016 at 12:58 pm
Deborah, that link @ 21 is fascinating. I was surprised that I agreed with a great deal of Bannon’s comments regarding crony capitalism, the lack of Wall St accountability, and the forgotten middle class. But I can’t see how the Tea Party mentality is what will fix it which seemed to be his proposition. Can’t see that at all. And all the stuff about the Judeo-Christian underpinnings of capitalism having eroded being the cause of so much of the woe, that didn’t make sense to me either. Most of the most vocal tea party types I know seem to believe that the employer class should be able to do whatever the heck they want and the workers, by God, should just be glad to have a darn job.
Like you, I can’t quite figure out what he’s saying and how that fits into his support of Trump.
Deborah said on November 16, 2016 at 1:34 pm
Suzanne, I had to read it a couple of times, he’s pretty tricky with the language. I realize he was speaking at a religious gathering so he was tailoring his comments to that audience. For instance he mentions the “Judeo-Christian west versus atheists” by atheists he’s talking about the Soviet Union, and later he says that since the fall of the Soviet Union we’ve come partly off track. Again he’s talking about the end of the Cold War. It seems as though he’s promoting warmed over Cold War ideology. He also never once uses the word democracy. He demonizes Islam in total, not just radical Islamic jihadists. When he talks about elitist bankers and the Davos crowd, who is he really targeting? At first reading I thought a lot of what he said made sense, but something didn’t seem quite right. The part that really bothered me was when he said that the racism, sexism and xenophobia that this vision attracts, will fall away eventually or wash out was his term. It’s like he’s a rabble rouser who wants to glom on to people’s anger no matter what its source, to shake things up and blow things apart. In the end someone will be in charge. It seems like that could very well be an autocrat.
Jenine said on November 16, 2016 at 2:46 pm
I like the sun/moon picture a lot.
Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on November 16, 2016 at 2:50 pm
Not sure if the link got through before, so I’ll post it again. It’s . . . interesting. I’m still trying to figure out what our new insect overlords are actually after: feeding in larval form on our living carcasses, or entirely taking over our external form while maturing as parasites on our nervous system while using us to animate about freely. Anyhow:
Connie said on November 16, 2016 at 2:52 pm
Jolene asked: Connie, is there a “not” missing from the last sentence of your first paragraph in @24?”
What I meant that now the REAL Sam was going to call and straighten out his grandfather, who was being scammed.
Suzanne said on November 16, 2016 at 2:58 pm
I couldn’t get a take on it either with one reading, Jeff. He talks about Wall Street lack of accountability being a yuuuuge cause of financial problems but then praises the Tea Party philosophy, which I thought advocated less oversight of banks and financial institutions. So, how would that make Wall Street more accountable? If regulations were eased, they’d all suddenly act in my best interests? And look at what years of tea party politics has done to Kansas.
I need to reread the Bannon article. I must be missing something.
Sherri said on November 16, 2016 at 3:07 pm
My SCOTUS trip is on! Plane flight booked, hotel room reserved, local stuff all rearranged. I’m so excited!
Deborah said on November 16, 2016 at 3:12 pm
Cool Sherri, please give us a report. Sounds fascinating, especially to get to observe it with the direct access to the real event, instead of getting it second or third hand. It will be interesting to compare your report to what we here on cable news.
Deborah said on November 16, 2016 at 4:02 pm
Jeff (tmmo) at #36, sarcasm?
Sherri said on November 16, 2016 at 4:07 pm
Bannon is what he does, and he wants to tear it all down. Here’s another long piece on Bannon to read: https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/graphics/2015-steve-bannon/
Sherri said on November 16, 2016 at 4:27 pm
NPR is not up to the task at hand: http://www.npr.org/2016/11/16/502274853/critics-come-out-against-trumps-chief-strategist-steve-bannon
Sherri said on November 16, 2016 at 4:43 pm
Lessons from Vienna in the 30s: http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/217831/what-to-do-about-trump
Suzanne said on November 16, 2016 at 4:44 pm
I’ve read both of these Bannon articles and I still don’t really understand what he wants. He’s smart and rich, doesn’t like Wall Street (even though he made lots of $ there) and doesn’t like the establishment. He talks a lot about getting someone to “lead” (in other words a useful idiot) to take the heat so he can do stuff behind the scenes. But what stuff?
Judybusy said on November 16, 2016 at 4:45 pm
The new administration wants to weaken Dodd-Frank as much as they can, because banks suffer from too much regulation. (Per NPR this a.m.) So, not so much about protecting people from Wall street and big banks. As difficult as it is, I am listening to policy proposals. What is striking is that the reporters are repeatedly saying “We just don’t know, because Trump was so vague on the campaign trail.”
Scout said on November 16, 2016 at 5:00 pm
NPR. They’ll be the first to try to normalize President-Elect Trump the same way they normalized him as a candidate. They have lost all credibility in our house. The money that used to go to them now is pledged to the ACLU. Fck NPR and how they gleefully joined the savaging of Hillary over emails, Benghazi and the CF, and then played bits of Trump’s rallies as if he were just any normal candidate. Balance! Fck them. I hate them worse than Fox, because at least Fox doesn’t pretend to be anything other than a right wing apparatus.
Judybusy said on November 16, 2016 at 5:52 pm
Scout, word. I could give 1 million examples, but you’ve heard them all as well. It’s actually partly why I value this blog so much. People pay attention to sources here and share what they’ve learned.
David C. said on November 16, 2016 at 6:07 pm
I know there are some Lin-Manuel Miranda fans here. He was interviewed on WTF with Marc Maron. It’s so good. What a cool guy. I think this is the first long-form interview I’ve heard. I watched some videos of him introducing Hillary at different events, he exudes charm and kindness. Hip hop was never my thing, but the Hamilton cast recording has really opened my eyes.
Deborah said on November 16, 2016 at 6:11 pm
Hmmm after reading more about Bannon, (Sherri’s Bloomberg link) finding it harder and harder to separate him from his dreaded elites. Honestly, what’s the diff?
Sherri said on November 16, 2016 at 6:16 pm
A users guide to Trumpian conflicts of interest, or at least some of them: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/donald-trump-ethics-conflicts-231454
But don’t worry, I’m sure the chair of the House Oversight Committee will get right…what’s that you say, Rep. Chaffetz? You’re busy with other priorities? http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2016/11/16/jason-chaffetz-we-arent-done-with-hillary-yet-n2246729
Sherri said on November 16, 2016 at 6:33 pm
Ari Berman was one of the reporters covering the impact of voting restrictions consistently. https://www.thenation.com/article/did-republicans-rig-the-election/
One tidbit from the article: Oregon had automatic voter registration this year, adding 250000 new voters, and vote by mail, and the turnout there is 79%. Turnout in Washington, also VBM, is around 72%. It’s fairly easy to register to vote when you get a drivers license in WA, but Oregon made it opt out rather than opt in; you have to do something to stop from being registered rather than doing something to be registered.
Charlotte said on November 16, 2016 at 6:57 pm
David C @49 — Maron and I are almost the same age, and when he said how hard Hamilton was for him because he’s a melody guy, and hadn’t come up on hip hop — I totally identified. But how charming is Miranda? If you want to be cheered up — go google the dance he and his groomsmen put together for his wedding. It’s really sweet (and I hate those things).
Charlotte said on November 16, 2016 at 7:13 pm
Sherri @44 — I have a dear gay ex-boyfriend in Chicago who is marrying his sweetheart and moving to London. His family are Polish Jews, who came over at least a generation, maybe two, before the holocaust. When he told me he was marrying his guy, as a sort of toss-off he said “Well, Trump’s going to win so it’s a good time to leave.”
And here we are. When your friends the Polish Jews, the survivors, are jumping ship? I’m pretty spooked. I’ve known enough abusers that I take Trump entirely at his word.
Sherri said on November 16, 2016 at 7:21 pm
Me, too, Charlotte.
I thought this part was important too, in light of some of our discussions today about talking to Trump voters.
Voters are all adults, and all have made their choices, and it is now you who must brace for impact. Whether you choose to forgive those, friends and strangers alike, who cast their votes so deplorably is a matter of personal choice, and none but the most imperious among us would advocate a categorical rejection of millions based on their electoral actions, no matter how irresponsible and dim. So while you make these personal calculations, remember that what matters now isn’t analysis: It’s survival.
basset said on November 16, 2016 at 9:29 pm
Charlotte and DavidC, you can have my Hamilton tickets, not interested in it at all. Descriptions alone were enough to put me off it, don’t care for Broadway shows and never have… then CBS Sunday Morning showed part of one scene and that was enough to make me actively avoid it. No rapping or hip hopping or whatever they call it for me, and what the hell kind of name is Lin-Manuel anyway? Are hyphens fashionable now?
Sherri said on November 16, 2016 at 9:39 pm
I’ll stay off your lawn, basset, when I get my tickets to see Hamilton in Seattle next year. And I promise my daughter and I won’t dance on your lawn while listening to the soundtrack.
Yep, I love what I’ve heard and seen so far.
David C. said on November 16, 2016 at 9:39 pm
A hyphenated first name seems more practical than a hyphenated last name. First, there is no pretense of two great dynasties joining together and second, there isn’t the second generation problem of the hyphenated-hyphenated name. I didn’t think I’d like it either, but somehow at my advanced age, I did. Go figure.
Sherri said on November 16, 2016 at 9:48 pm
Just sorting through all the FEC violations from the Trump campaign is an enormous undertaking, one unlikely to actually proceed now, I guess.
Suzanne said on November 16, 2016 at 10:03 pm
I didn’t think I’d like Hamilton. Hip hop? Rap? Ugh. Then I listened to it. Lin-Manuel Miranda is a genius if he could get me to enjoy the kind of music. And I do. The whole thing is amazingly written and he seems like a decent guy. If you get the chance, watch PBS’s Hamilton’s America. Fascinating!
In this political lunacy of Trump, I keep reminding myself that back in the day, the sitting VP shot and killed one of the nation’s founding fathers. So, life is indeed strange.
Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on November 16, 2016 at 10:40 pm
Deborah @ #41 – I don’t know yet.
Sherri said on November 17, 2016 at 12:25 am
One of the conditions of democratic resistance is having an accurate picture of what to resist. Confusion is an authoritarian tool; life under a strongman means not simply being lied to but being beset by contradiction and uncertainty until the line between truth and falsehood blurs and a kind of exhaustion settles over questions of fact.
Sherri said on November 17, 2016 at 12:42 am
If you watched Maddow tonight, you saw her interview Anthony Romero, the executive director of the ACLU. I had the chance to meet and talk with him a few weeks before the election, and he’s a passionate defender of civil liberties, as you would expect from someone in that job. He started the job just a week before 9/11, so he knows what fighting hard means.
Sherri said on November 17, 2016 at 12:45 am
If you start seeing stories about what a great guy Bannon is, you’ll know where they came from: http://www.thewrap.com/steve-bannon-image-rehab-campaign-trump-adviser/
Little Bird said on November 17, 2016 at 1:20 am
I am not clicking on any link that involves the words “shirtless Trump”.
Sherri said on November 17, 2016 at 1:21 am
It doesn’t actually involve shirtless Trump.
Hattie said on November 17, 2016 at 3:13 am
I literally gasped when I read this, Nancy. Holy shit!
Deborah said on November 17, 2016 at 4:00 am
The not shirtless Trump link is excellent, well written and right on. It’s about Facebook and false news, but not just Facebook, false news abounds on the internet and it’s a big (yuge) problem. It’s a postfact world.
basset said on November 17, 2016 at 7:12 am
Sherri, you’re welcome to dance in my yard, but I get to pick the music.
Suzanne said on November 17, 2016 at 8:35 am
The shirtless Trump piece is very good. MTV? Who would ever have thought.
We have a relative who is a yuuge Trump devotee. She is white, married to a man of Phillipino background. He was born here but I don’t know about his parents. She just posted a picture of her, her husband, and her mixed race children on Facebook. I wanted to scream at her that this is exactly the type of family that would drive many of Trump’s inner circle insane. She’s very intelligent so I cannot understand the ignorance. Ditto another relative who thinks Trump is the bee’s knees. Her daughter is marrying a black Panamanian who is not an American citizen. I asked her if she was worried. No, she wasn’t she said because they (the young couple) live in LA & mixed race couples aren’t unusual there. Yet, I wanted to answer, yet.
Jenine said on November 17, 2016 at 9:16 am
@ David C. thanks for the Maron interview link. Here’s a page with a long interview of LMM by Emma Watson, 4 videos total. It looks like it’s from early 2016. I would like to curl up in that hotel room and listen to those 2 lovely people talk about how excited they are about art.
Peter said on November 17, 2016 at 9:19 am
Shirtless Trump? Will this nightmare ever end?
Heather said on November 17, 2016 at 10:40 am
Ugh, Suzanne, that is exactly the kind of hypocrisy/cognitive dissonance that drives me batty. So mixed-race marriages, immigrants, etc., are OK as long as they are tolerated? I’m sure there is a Greek term for this type of insane logic.
Judybusy said on November 17, 2016 at 10:46 am
I got the Hamilton soundtrack from the library and am listening to it now during my commute. It’s super fun. It’s an interesting mix of broadway and hip-hop. I often have a hard time understanding lyrics, but these are clear and very creative.
Bassett, I ask that you reconsider your comment about Lin-Manuel’s name. I think there a tinge of racial bias in your comment. He’s Puerto Rican, so it’s not like they were gonna name the kid Henry or Shawn.
Jenine said on November 17, 2016 at 10:53 am
I had trouble remembering LMM’s last name. My brain got the first two names but blanked on the third. I started calling him ‘cousin of Carmen’ as a mnemonic.
Deborah said on November 17, 2016 at 10:57 am
This was on a humor website I go to often, this is by the poet Maggie Smith. I’d never heard of her before I saw this, but if you go to the Poetry Foundation site, she’s quite good. I thought it sort of summed up some of what I’ve been thinking about:
Life is short, though I keep this from my children.
Life is short, and I’ve shortened mine
in a thousand delicious, ill-advised ways,
a thousand deliciously ill-advised ways
I’ll keep from my children. The world is at least
fifty percent terrible, and that’s a conservative
estimate, though I keep this from my children.
For every bird there is a stone thrown at a bird.
For every loved child, a child broken, bagged,
sunk in a lake. Life is short and the world
is at least half terrible, and for every kind
stranger, there is one who would break you,
though I keep this from my children. I am trying
to sell them the world. Any decent realtor,
walking you through a real shithole, chirps on
about good bones: This place could be beautiful,
right? You could make this place beautiful.
Julie Robinson said on November 17, 2016 at 11:12 am
David C, thanks for the Maron link about LMM. I got through the first 15 minutes of his yada, yada, yada, and then it cut out. I’ll have to try again on a computer instead of a tablet. His language is not my cup of tea, though.
And thank you, Judybusy, because I also interpreted the name remark as racially tinged. LMM’s Dad immigrated from Puerto Rico, one of the reasons that Hamilton’s lifestory resonated so strongly with LMM. To quote Hamilton, “Immigrants: we get the job done.”
Basset, if Hamilton isn’t in your wheelbox, do you need to attack it, or its creator? I think it’s a work of genius, but I won’t defend it to you, I’ll just plead for us to treat each other with more kindness and gentleness. We aren’t going to get much of it in the outside world, and I know that most of us here really appreciate this place as a refuge and safe place.
Here’s why I’m particularly looking for kindness and gentleness. Part 1. Niece goes to pick up food (in New Orleans, of all places) and is subject to a tirade attacking her for not supporting our Prez-elect. She’s already in a fragile place, well, who isn’t really, but she’s just finishing a master’s degree in social work and will graduate next month. Remember that kind of pressure?
Part 2. Daughter is ministering to a congregant whose son is a gay blogger. They went to a Trump rally together, for different reasons, but they were dealing with it okay. After the election the son’s rage spilled over into his blog and he wrote, among other things, how hateful women were who had voted for Trump. Mom, who voted for Trump, took it as a personal attack, cancels Thanksgiving dinner. Sarah has to listen to her pain while disagreeing with her politics, and I’m hearing her own pain.
So I’m making chicken soup, listening to a silly audiobook, and planning on soaking up some more Florida sun before returning north. Those things are healing for me.
Julie Robinson said on November 17, 2016 at 11:13 am
Deborah, thank you for better words than I can write.
brian stouder said on November 17, 2016 at 12:13 pm
I think all y’all are good folks, period.
We all care about ‘the big picture’, and our recent election was going to represent change in any case – and here we are. I think that “change” itself is at once desirable and alluring, and at the same time discomforting and anxiety-inducing.
And in the short term, having one’s anxieties seemingly confirmed every time one watches the news, while another large group of people smile and inhale, as their chosen paradigm ascends toward acceptance (or inauguration, in any case) is a bit of a social hurricane.
Anyway, I’m sure we (mostly) all are hoping and rooting for our new president to deftly avoid the potholes (as much as possible) on the road ahead, and keep our country out of the ditch, too
Jakash said on November 17, 2016 at 12:29 pm
Good on you for keeping a positive attitude and having a good heart, Brian. Kinda hard for me to maintain the same outlook, though, when driving right through the potholes and into the ditch is largely what his campaign was based on. Seems to me that he and his followers seek a regression to the 50’s more than positive “change,” but I suppose pretending that facts don’t exist is change, indeed, compared to our current president.
Representing the party of “Our #1 priority is to make sure Obama is a one-term President” and “No Supreme Court justice for you” makes the R’s call for everybody to back the new guy a bit hypocritical, no? And, BTW, McConnell said we needed to hear from the people in this election before deciding who should pick Scalia’s replacement. Since Hillary won the popular vote, I suppose that means he’s going to go along with Obama’s choice now, eh? ; )
Sherri said on November 17, 2016 at 12:37 pm
The case of the mother who takes her child’s disagreement with her as rejection of her and lashes out at her child, making her child want to reject her, little too familiar.
My mother threatened to cancel my wedding, which we were holding in my home town mainly to make her happy, when she found out I had done something she disapproved of, which she took as rejection. I was a grown woman living independently 500 miles away.
basset said on November 17, 2016 at 1:21 pm
Judybusy, not in the least – I didn’t even know his ethnicity until after I posted that, just thought it was a silly name. I’m the son of an immigrant myself, not Puerto Rican though.
Attack? No, just some frustration.
Sue said on November 17, 2016 at 1:33 pm
Went back and reread basset’s comment, not sure I agree with that racial-tinge thing. When has basset ever sounded like he might think like that?
Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on November 17, 2016 at 1:37 pm
Hat tip to Colleen, wherever you are, for what’s now an annual favorite in my house that I found here in 2009:
“Roasted Brussels Sprouts. Oh yum. I never liked them, tried them roasted, and I’m in love. Roast in olive oil, salt and pepper….30-40 minutes at 400. The outside will be black, but they are SO good. Not harsh or bitter, even kind of sweet.”
basset said on November 17, 2016 at 2:18 pm
Thanks, Sue. I do have my blind spots but that’s not one of them. Topic over.
I’m with you on the sprouts, JeffTMMO – we put carrots in with them, fingerling potatoes, just about any root vegetable is good that way.
basset said on November 17, 2016 at 2:20 pm
And, totally off topic, CBS is about to spin its radio division off and move it to Nashville.
brian stouder said on November 17, 2016 at 2:43 pm
So, does Blake Shelton own Nashville, or is NBC’s The Voice mis-leading me?
(by way of saying, CBS is a step behind!)
Dorothy said on November 17, 2016 at 3:02 pm
Deborah @76 – my son’s best friend and his fiance both shared that poem the day after the election and I was quite touched by it. Thanks for sharing it here.
Count me among the fans of ‘Hamilton.’ I recorded the special on PBS but haven’t really allowed myself the time to sit and savor it. I think we watched a chunk of it ‘live’ during the second showing of it, but I was up and down to the kitchen getting dinner ready and that’s why I will watch it eventually, but not while cooking dinner. I love that young people are electrified by it, learning history and getting caught up in the magic of music and lyrics. Basset you should try to listen to it sometime with an eye toward concentrating on what the lyrics are telling us. Yes it’s hip hop, but so what? It’s really quite wonderful and I’m one of those people who love learning new things and appreciating evolving artists’ ways of expressing themselves.
Has anyone seen the movie “Moonlight” yet? It’s opening today at the Neon in Dayton and I plan to catch it this weekend. Reviews are off the charts tremendous for it and I can’t wait.
Sherri said on November 17, 2016 at 3:06 pm
A reminder: don’t stop calling your Senators and Reps just because you called about Bannon. Bannon was named to the posit he was because it didn’t require Senate confirmation. All Cabinet posts do, and the names being floated for those are just as unacceptable, starting with Kris Kobach as potential Attorney General. Any confirmable position that Gen. Flynn is nominated for should be opposed as well.
There’s a difference between bad (Rick Perry as Energy Secretary), and the disastrous. Some positions have potential for more immediate harm to vulnerable populations.
basset said on November 17, 2016 at 3:12 pm
Dunno, he and the show aren’t in my world.
Judybusy said on November 17, 2016 at 3:14 pm
Thanks, Bassett for replying. I think of you as a stand-up guy, while at the same time we white people can be a little blind. I think it’s pretty clear Lin-Manuel is not a “white” name, so I was thinking the seeming alien-ness of it was part of what threw you.
basset said on November 17, 2016 at 3:17 pm
Blake Shelton, I mean.
Dorothy, I said I was through with the topic but… no, I’m not gonna listen to “Hamilton.” No hip hop for me, I just can’t relate to it and am not gonna make myself listen. That makes me unhip and socially retarded, I know and don’t care.
brian stouder said on November 17, 2016 at 3:17 pm
Blake Shelton isn’t in your world??!!
I am woefully (woefully!) out of touch, then!
Julie Robinson said on November 17, 2016 at 3:33 pm
Actually a fair amount of the music is not hip-hop but standard Broadway, pop, and even jazz. But it’s okay, I don’t listen to almost any thing played on the radio these days. Different strokes.
Deborah said on November 17, 2016 at 3:35 pm
Dorothy, I’ve been wanting to see Moonlight too. We have a really busy weekend and I leave for NM Mon morning, so it’ll have to wait.
I’m so looking forward to seeing snow on mountains, I always start yearning for it about a week before I’m scheduled to leave. I need some time away from the hustle and bustle of Chicago. Hopefully it will help me get over feeling shitty every time I remember who the president elect is.
One of these days I’ll try to check out the Hamilton phenomenon, I’ve heard so much about it, all good, even jaded people I know who are not into musicals rave about it.
Dorothy said on November 17, 2016 at 3:45 pm
Sorry bassett – not trying to pile on, just trying to make a friendly suggestion!
Heather said on November 17, 2016 at 3:52 pm
I think it’s always good to question our reactions to “otherness.” Would a hyphenated name like Jean-Luc have thrown anyone?
Suzanne said on November 17, 2016 at 4:09 pm
Bassett, I said the same thing about Hamilton and then I listened and was in amazement. Really. It’s an amazing piece of theater.
Recently, somebody recommended a podcast of the history of Christmas or something like that, but I don’t remember what it was. So, I need help…
CHarlotte said on November 17, 2016 at 4:18 pm
Deborah — some good news for those of us relying on the ACA: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/repealing-and-replacing-obamacare-will-take-time
Scout said on November 17, 2016 at 4:35 pm
Not a hip-hop fan either, but I absolutely loved In The Heights and can’t wait to see Hamilton one day.
Every new day in what is soon to be Trump’s America brings a fresh new horror to behold. I am becoming quite concerned about the buzz to overhaul medicare. http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/tom-price-reveals-republicans-eyeing-medicare-overhaul-in-2017
Dave said on November 17, 2016 at 4:35 pm
The bits and pieces of Hamilton that I’ve seen on TV intrigue me but, oh, that music, I can’t hardly stand it. I also wouldn’t know one Blake Shelton song from another and recently told our son and daughter-in-law that I wasn’t at all familiar with the artist they were going to go hear, Keith Urban. I am truly out of touch.
I see the governor of Florida is going to meet with the president-elect. He might be even more deplorable than Rick Perry. Rumors are frequently in the news that he wants to run against Senator Nelson in the 2018 election, he’s such a personality-void person that It’s hard to understand how he could win but then, I didn’t think we would end up where we are today.
You can all come and dance on the lawn, though, but it’s going to have to be a mixture of oldies and other assorted goodies.
Julie Robinson said on November 17, 2016 at 4:42 pm
Really, this is the only hip-hop I can listen to. And if you like Hamilton go back and listen to his first show, In the Heights. It’s also amazing.
basset said on November 17, 2016 at 5:15 pm
I couldn’t name you one of his songs, but he performed at our mayor’s “State of Metro*” address two or three years ago… it was held outside, I saw this ragged little guy standing around the edges and thought he was homeless until they called him up to sing.
*we have a combined city-county goverment – Indy calls it Unigov, we call it Metro.
basset said on November 17, 2016 at 5:16 pm
Keith Urban, I should say. Wouldn’t recognize Blake Shelton if I saw him.
David C. said on November 17, 2016 at 5:32 pm
I sat at lunch with a guy who seemed rather proud that he wasn’t speaking to his adult daughter because she voted for Hillary. Who would have guessed an obviously control freak dad would vote for an authoritarian for President. What kind of hell was growing up under his roof for his poor daughter?
Sherri said on November 17, 2016 at 5:46 pm
Fucking Bernie Sanders.
Sanders, speaking with reporters at a Christian Science Monitor sponsored breakfast, said he is ready to embrace Trump on a handful of campaign promises. Those include protecting Social Security and Medicare, negotiating for lower drug prices, raising the minimum wage to $10, imposing tariffs on companies that ship jobs overseas, and re-regulating Wall Street by re-establishing Glass-Steagall.
Hillary was a neoliberal corporate shill in thrall to Wall Street because she only supported a $12 minimum wage, yet Bernie’s ready to cosy up to someone who wants to deport 2-3 million people and register Muslims in exchange for a $10 minimum wage?
Maybe what he liked about his honeymoon in the USSR was the authoritarianism, not the communism.
Sherri said on November 17, 2016 at 5:47 pm
Sorry, the link: http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/17/politics/bernie-sanders-donald-trump-allies/index.html
Deborah said on November 17, 2016 at 6:12 pm
Charlotte, I sure hope that’s right, that it will take years. We’ll take all the time we can get for Little Bird to have Medicaid. My right wing sister thinks Trump will turn into a Democrat in a year, so maybe he’ll veto all this shit. Ha ha, if that’s going to happen.
I have told myself that I won’t call Trump names once he’s inaugurated out of respect for the office of president. But in the meantime I’m going to call him whatever I want. I’m a crabby bitch again today, I go back and forth between being a sob sister and a bitch these days. Oh yeah, I’m a lot of fun to be around lately.
Sherri said on November 17, 2016 at 6:19 pm
I didn’t call President Bush names out of respect for the office, but fuck that when it comes to Il Duce Trump. Nothing about this is normal, and I’m not going to pretend it is.
alex said on November 17, 2016 at 6:22 pm
After spending the day with a bunch of Republicans, I need a shower. I was at a conference and the presenters all threw out barbs about how America’s great again, and at lunch I was surrounded by people discussing politics. When the subject turned to black-on-black crime and how black people have no right to complain until they clean up their act, I finally chimed in. “That might make for great political rhetoric,” I said, “but the fact is that the majority of crimes against whites are committed by whites, including murder, and nobody ever says anything about white-on-white crime.” The conversation then turned to how spouses are always the prime suspects in white murders.
susan said on November 17, 2016 at 6:40 pm
Time for a break.
Deborah said on November 17, 2016 at 6:57 pm
Another video about the Mayor of Santa Fe as a sanctuary city https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WAzLtNhyKFA on CNN this time. At least CNN got it right that Santa FE is in NM and not CA. By the way Mayor Gonzalez is openly gay, he was married previously to a woman and has two daughters but had the courage to come out and be proud of who he really is.
Deborah said on November 17, 2016 at 6:59 pm
Susan, that was hilarious, needed that.
coozledad said on November 17, 2016 at 8:00 pm
Alex: This site is dedicated to blurring the distinctions between the Klan and Black Lives Matter, when it’s not modelling shoes.
Joe K. said on November 17, 2016 at 8:04 pm
Was extremely proud of both my daughters, 31 and 29, both voted for Hilary,
You know what they have been doing since the election? Getting up going to work and not bitching about how the results turned out. Were they disappointed? Very, but they sucked it up like my wife and I taught them and didn’t look back, they know that dwelling on it, letting it control how you go thru the day is a waste of time, so they will focus on the next election and not worry about things they can’t change.
Dorothy said on November 17, 2016 at 8:14 pm
Ooh oooh Julie! We saw In the Heights in Columbus and loved it! We bought the soundtrack too.
That’s nice for you, Joe. But please don’t try to tell the rest of us how to deal with crushing disappointment. We are allowed to deal with it however we want. We aren’t your kids. And thank the blessed gods for that.
susan said on November 17, 2016 at 8:16 pm
Sure would like to hear your daughters say that, Joe. Or do you speak for them?
coozledad said on November 17, 2016 at 8:16 pm
I always wondered how some dipshit who was willing to sit behind a motor for the bulk of his life could be regarded as anything but a subcaste. But what’s more stunning is the rump of idiots who think piloting a fucking plane is a gateway to guhuri. But it exists here, and it’s hilarious.
nancy said on November 17, 2016 at 8:18 pm
Glad you’re back, dude.
Sherri said on November 17, 2016 at 8:23 pm
Welcome back, Cooz. I missed you.
Sherri said on November 17, 2016 at 8:39 pm
Apparently noted Islamophobe Michael Flynn is to be NSA, another position which doesn’t require Senate confirmation. Apparently he was still working for Turkey while getting security briefings with Trump, too.
Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on November 17, 2016 at 8:53 pm
Bassett, give this 4 minute video a try; it’s the “birth” of “Hamilton: An American Musical” in a first draft of sorts at the White House in 2009 – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNFf7nMIGnE
Sherri said on November 17, 2016 at 8:57 pm
Joe, I’ll talk about accepting elections with you when Merrick Garland gets a confirmation hearing.
David C. said on November 17, 2016 at 9:22 pm
The best congratulations are self-congratulations, right Joe.
Joe K said on November 17, 2016 at 9:44 pm
Thought raising independent free thinking kids was a good thing.
Guess you don’t agree.
What a shame
Julie Robinson said on November 17, 2016 at 9:56 pm
Oh, Joe. I come from a long line of suck it up people and it seriously screwed them up. You can’t push down your emotions instead of dealing with them, they will always come out one way or another. It might be substance, physical, or emotional abuse, it might be more subtle, it might take years and years and years. But it has to be dealt with. There will be a reckoning.
Sue said on November 17, 2016 at 10:11 pm
Deborah@108, I sent an email to my Thanksgiving guests noting that this would be a politics-free Thanksgiving, and I would not allow President-elect Trump to ruin my family day. But for some reason autocorrect changed ‘President-elect Trump’ to ‘pussy-grabbing fuckwad’.
brian stouder said on November 17, 2016 at 10:35 pm
Sue for thread Win, baby!
Sherri said on November 17, 2016 at 10:55 pm
Gargling with Coke: http://www.wnyc.org/story/rot-fake-news/
Sherri said on November 17, 2016 at 11:04 pm
Is Medicare more in danger than Obamacare? http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/where-do-we-stand-on-phasing-out-medicare
Patty Murray is the ranking Democratic member of the Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions Committee, and also my Senator. I’ve called her office to express my desire that she resist Trump and protect vulnerable people. The lines in her Seattle office were busy, so I had to leave a voice mail. I was able to get through to a person in Maria Cantwell’s office, and I had already talked to someone in Suzan DelBene’s office yesterday.
St Bitch said on November 18, 2016 at 11:25 am
Alright Cooze…blazing in…