Guilty, guilty, TBD.

Man, what a kuh-RAYzee news day. And it all seemed to break at once. I see the spirited discussion is already going on down in the comments. As for me, I’m sitting here listening to the first of the crickets begin chirping in the softening light of early evening. It’s either that or the sound of the red hats saying nothing.

I no longer have cable, so I can’t watch the West Virginia rally. Even if I had cable, I wouldn’t watch it, so no big loss. I’ll “watch” it via Twitter, the 24/7/365 cocktail party of snark. Either that, or “Better Call Saul” on iTunes.

It’s nutty, how fast the wheels are coming off. I wonder, if President Trump thinks of anything as he stares at the ceiling in the middle of the night, if he ever thinks how much easier everything would be if he’d just lost that stupid election. (I bet Ivanka does.)

So, give that the news is the news, let’s just talk about the news. And for the hell of it, a little more.

The People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals is silly. Very silly.

Sally Jenkins with a head of angry steam over heat-related deaths in football practice. In the WashPost.

This news is like a rat I must, like a snake, unhinge my jaw to swallow. Happy midweek to all.

Posted at 7:54 pm in Current events |

66 responses to “Guilty, guilty, TBD.”

  1. Kristen said on August 21, 2018 at 8:48 pm

    My husband’s analogy: “Trump was baited like a fly to a flytrap. He was baited by the juicy sweetness of power and the ability to line his own pockets. And now he’s caught, wriggling, squirming… And all of his ilk crawled out or flew out of dark crevices to join him and are stuck, too. Here, in the bright sunshine, we see perhaps the greatest aggregation of moral slime stuck to a yellow strip and we smile.”

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  2. Suzanne said on August 21, 2018 at 9:18 pm

    So, Kristen, does that mean he’s not draining the swamp?

    And notably, Mollie Hemingway of the Federalist writes on Twitter that Manafort was ONLY convicted of 8 counts. So I guess she considers that a win.

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  3. FDChief said on August 21, 2018 at 10:09 pm

    Unfortunately for the rest of us and our nation, the Rote Hüte Abteilung (or “RHA” in the great Nazi tradition of acronyms) will be silent only until their gauleiters – Rush, Jones, FOX – find excuses for them. Then they’ll come roaring and baying;

    “Raise the flag! The ranks tightly closed!
    The RHA marches with calm, steady step.
    Comrades shot by the Antifa and liberals
    March in spirit within our ranks.

    Clear the streets for the MAGA battalions,
    Clear the streets for the 3% division!
    Millions are looking upon the GOP full of hope,
    The day of freedom and of bread dawns!

    For the last time, the call to arms is sounded!
    For the fight, we all stand prepared!
    Already Trump’s banners fly over all streets.
    The time of bondage will last but a little while now!

    The Republicans have made this monster. Now it will consume us all.

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  4. Sherri said on August 21, 2018 at 10:59 pm

    Football is the worst, but not the only offender when it comes to college sports team employing outdated abusive training methods.

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  5. Sherri said on August 21, 2018 at 11:29 pm

    Chris Collins and Duncan Hunter were the first members of Congress to endorse trump. Both are now under indictment.

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  6. Brandon said on August 22, 2018 at 3:22 am

    Remember when PETA wanted Aretha to drop her minks permanently?

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  7. alex said on August 22, 2018 at 8:19 am

    Nancy wrote a funny column years ago when PETA protesters showed up at a local Pizza Hut, one of whom was wearing a cow costume. Wish I could find a link to it.

    That was pretty tame stuff compared to when I lived in Chicago and PETA would vandalize fur coats at Neiman-Marcus and Sak’s Fifth Avenue with red paint.

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  8. nancy said on August 22, 2018 at 8:55 am

    No, she was wearing a bikini made of lettuce. Or “lettuce.”

    They are silly, silly people.

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  9. Peter said on August 22, 2018 at 8:59 am

    I’m bad at this, but if the link works – this is what I was doing last night (courtesy of Ren and Stimpy):

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  10. Peter said on August 22, 2018 at 9:10 am

    Yesterday Adam Davidson at the New Yorker wrote: “It is conventional wisdom these days that views of Trump are fixed: those who hate him can’t hate him more and those who love him can’t be budged, and, all the while, Republicans in Congress will do nothing, no matter what he says or does.” I have to slightly disagree – I hate Trump with the passion of a thousand suns, but I can easily up that by a factor or two.

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  11. Suzanne said on August 22, 2018 at 9:13 am

    I do feel like I am seeing a few more people saying they’ve had enough, that they were willing to give Trump a chance but he has proven to be a disaster. I think maybe reality is starting to crack the shell of denial.

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  12. JodiP said on August 22, 2018 at 10:17 am

    I work at the jail. I had a very nice conversation with one of the female lieutenants who voted for Trump–she is a life-long Republican. However, she can not bring herself to vote for the Republican candidate for governer. Why? He will mismanage her pension a la Scott Walker from WI. I do find it frustrating that so many people can not see outside their own interests and examine the bigger picture. However, she really wants my input about Tim Walz, who is the Dem candidate. In our next conversations, I won’t be trashing Trump and other Republicans, but just talking policy and how it could affect her and what we do here at the jail! I think framing it a public health policy is the way to go with her. It was very hard controlling my inner WTF?! 🙂

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  13. Bitter Scribe said on August 22, 2018 at 10:33 am

    PETA is silly for sure, but I have to say I like that new box design.

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  14. Bitter Scribe said on August 22, 2018 at 10:38 am

    Sally Jenkins is a bawse. Great column.

    She’s 100 times better than her racist, sexist jerk of a father. I was briefly acquainted with her in college. A very pretty girl. I used to wonder how her father would like it if some guy acted toward her the way men routinely treated women in his stupid novels.

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  15. Sherri said on August 22, 2018 at 11:27 am

    We put up with the dark gray winters in Seattle for August, which is usually a glorious month here. Wildfire smoke is changing that. This is our third straight summer with smoke, and the worst. I’m ready to start calling for quotes for air conditioning.

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  16. beb said on August 22, 2018 at 12:38 pm

    When I first heard about the redesigned animal crackers box I had to agree that PETA was nuts. I wondered what would be next on their agenda. Would they protest the extraction of oil from underground because it was a desecration of the millions of ancient animals whose decomposed bodies made that oil?

    Something we need to keep in mind is that while Trump is not a very smart man, he is a very cunning man. He knows what buttons to push to stir up the country. He could easily ride out all o+f this by continuing to claim its a witch-hunt, fake news and personal vendetta by Hillary. He tweets so much because it gets ideas out in front of the mainstream media. He figures, correctly, that people will believe what they hear first and he intends to always be the first.

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  17. Suzanne said on August 22, 2018 at 1:40 pm

    Also, Trump knows that the GOP will do nothing. They made a pact with the devil to get tax cuts and Supreme Court judges & federal judges. The economy is doing well, their rich friends are getting richer. Now they can start on dismantling the social safety net. Why would they do anything about Trump? He’s giving them cover to tear down what it’s taken years to build up.

    On a side note, apparently the immigrant that has been charged with murdering this college student in Iowa worked at a farm owned by the brother of a big name GOP guy in Iowa.

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  18. Julie Robinson said on August 22, 2018 at 2:43 pm

    Okay, this may be unpopular, but I think PETA has done a lot of good. They basically killed the circus industry, and good riddance. It horrifies me that elephants, tigers, lions, even smaller animals like monkeys and dogs, have been slaves for the industry. Kept in cages, whipped, performing whether they were healthy or not–is that not slavery?

    It does seem like the water is circling the drain on the Orange King’s Presidency.

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  19. Sherri said on August 22, 2018 at 4:36 pm

    Libertarian utopia:

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  20. Sherri said on August 22, 2018 at 4:44 pm

    Can Margaret Sullivan write for the WaPo and also be the public editor for the NYTimes? She’s desperately needed.

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  21. Dexter Friend said on August 22, 2018 at 5:44 pm

    All the king’s men could still be free, laundering money, fucking whores and strippers, living carefree and lavishly, wearing snakeskin clothing, fucking more whores, having servants, their lives , their world on a string…if just the Russians would have let American elections run their own courses. Now look what we have, a goddam mess, or as Ed Tom Bell said in “No Country for Old men”, “It’ll do ’til the mess gets here.” In this case, that would be the removal of Trump from office, a most welcome mess.

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  22. Sherri said on August 22, 2018 at 5:58 pm

    I wish I knew how to convince episodic voters to vote. I’ve tried on an individual level, with very little success.

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  23. David C. said on August 22, 2018 at 5:58 pm

    I’m not sure we’re at the end of Cheetolini’s reign, but I’m pretty sure we can see the end from here. It’s beginning to look like the Rs really are going to get massacred in the mid-terms. All it’s going to take is a couple of Senators looking to save their cushy gigs and see their poll numbers going south. They’ll turn on him on him and it will all crumble from there. I feel in my bones that we’ve turned a corner. I’ve slept better this past week than I have since Nov. 8. tRump always makes things worse for tRump. He’s cornered now and he’s sure to lash out in a stupid way.

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  24. Sherri said on August 22, 2018 at 6:00 pm

    I wish I knew how to convince episodic voters to vote. I’ve tried on an individual level, with very limited success.

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  25. Deborah said on August 22, 2018 at 6:11 pm

    JC, you have certainly helped my clumsy finger problem when I fill in my name and email address. Much appreciated.

    Julie, I agree, it feels like a line has been crossed regarding this hideous administration. We’ll see if he can crawl out of it like he did with that Access Hollywood tape. The complicit GOP is more upsetting to me.

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  26. Deborah said on August 22, 2018 at 6:58 pm

    Senator Blumenthal called what the GOP leadership is doing is “moral stupor”. Good term.

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  27. Sherri said on August 22, 2018 at 7:23 pm

    Raise the capital gains tax.

    There’s actually a chance that the Washington state legislature might be able to pass a capital gains tax next term, if the Dems pick up enough seats in November.

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  28. Sherri said on August 22, 2018 at 7:26 pm

    There is no bottom.

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  29. Julie Robinson said on August 22, 2018 at 8:35 pm

    And speaking of circling the drain, Sears is making another round of closures, this time including the Fort Wayne store. That makes two of four anchors at Glenbrook closing this year alone.

    Our other home in Orlando will be suffering from Lowe’s closing all its Orchard Supply Stores, including one that is under construction now. It was to be the new anchor at a failing mall there, replacing the (wait for it!) Sears store that was torn down last year.

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  30. Suzanne said on August 23, 2018 at 8:58 am

    In some ways, I wasn’t surprised about Sears. When I’ve shopped there the past few years, it seemed like the merchandise was such a jumble. I shopped there a couple of years ago and the dressing room was dirty and smelled like someone had been smoking in there. Find a clerk anywhere? Ha ha ha. It was the same at Carsons, Penneys, and Macys. I ended up going to Burlington and Marshalls and Goodwill where you KNOW it’s going to be a jumbled up mess because of the type of stores they are. I expect better when I am willing to pay higher prices.

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  31. Peter said on August 23, 2018 at 9:07 am

    Did you catch the interview from the Manafort juror on Fox? The woman is an all out Trump supporter, has the MAGA hat in the car, said she’d vote for him in 2020 because he’s making America great, didn’t want to convict Manafort, but said the evidence was so overwhelming that there was no doubt. On top of that, only one juror stood between him being guilty on all counts – the other jurors kept showing the holdout the evidence, but she couldn’t believe it.

    All I’m saying is that when a juror who’s got a MAGA hat says that someone in Trump’s inner circle is guilty, I’d think twice before holding out….

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  32. Deborah said on August 23, 2018 at 9:41 am

    Knowing that there was one hold out should reassure the defense not scare them. It only takes one idiot to get their guy off. Clearly it didn’t get him completely off, but still. It seems to me we have a strange criminal justice system sometimes.

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  33. Mark P said on August 23, 2018 at 11:40 am

    I am not sorry to see Sears going downhill. I was sorry to see Sears go so far downhill over the last decade or so before they started closing stores. When the Sears at our local mall (itself dying) began their closing “sale,” we checked the prices of some exercise equipment there, then checked online at a Sears about 40 miles away, which was not closing. The prices were better at the store that was not closing. So, to hell with them.

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  34. Sherri said on August 23, 2018 at 11:54 am

    The Sears in Redmond has been dying for a long time, while occupying incredibly valuable land close to Microsoft with an enormous empty parking lot. Now, that lot is going to be turned into mixed use housing/retail/office, served by a light rail station coming in 2023. While the usual suspects are up in arms over the project (Traffic! Parking! Trees!), it’s not because anyone wants to save Sears. Usually their preferred alternative is a park, as long as they don’t have to pay any more taxes to pay for it, in which case, maybe some SFH. But with plenty of PARKING!

    Sorry, I’ve been doing a set of small group listening sessions with my good friend who is currently city council president and planning on running for mayor next year, though she hasn’t announced. We’ve started in our neighborhood, of single family homeowners, and so I’ve been listening to endless complaints about parking and the lack of it from people who can’t conceive of any lifestyle that doesn’t involve multiple cars. None of them want to pay for parking, mind you.

    I’m just there to take notes, so I can’t roll my eyes, but that was hard when a woman at our last session complained about how she couldn’t park a few blocks away from a restaurant downtown because then she couldn’t leave her dog in the car because she wouldn’t be able to see her dog!

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  35. Sherri said on August 23, 2018 at 11:55 am

    Urban Meyer wins a lot of football games.

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  36. Sherri said on August 23, 2018 at 12:12 pm

    Urban Meyer wins a lot of football games.

    Of course, it’s not like it was a secret that Urban Meyer won a lot of football games at Florida while looking the other way as his players were arrested at an alarming rate.

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  37. Julie Robinson said on August 23, 2018 at 12:43 pm

    I’ve held a soft spot in my heart for Sears based on ancient history of shopping there while in college. I particularly remember buying the black skirt and white blouse that allowed me to usher all over campus and see performances free. But there were too many bad experiences of dirty stores, little stock on the shelf, high prices/low quality, etc.

    The last time I was there was maybe 10 years ago when our microwave died. Five guys on one side of a dividing line in appliances said they couldn’t help us, because they couldn’t sell the microwaves that go over the stove, only the ones that sit on the counter. We had to wait in line for the one guy in the store who could sell us what we wanted. The rest of the experience went downhill from there.

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  38. alex said on August 23, 2018 at 1:20 pm

    I was bummed when the little Sears store in Auburn closed. Couldn’t give a fuck about the one in Fort Wayne. My only significant memory of that store was the auto center botching up a car repair and my resolve at that point never to patronize them again. And I didn’t.

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  39. jcburns said on August 23, 2018 at 3:53 pm

    An actual headline in 2018: Future elections may be swayed by intelligent, weaponized chatbots. Headed into my bunker now.

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  40. beb said on August 23, 2018 at 4:12 pm

    I read a little of the link sherri gave about Urban Meyer. He’s the coach that turned a blind eye to domestic abuse by one of his assistant coaches, not the coach that turned a blind eye to the sexual abuse of college wrestlers. And the university can’t bring themselves to fire him because he wins so many games. A good reason, IMHO, to ban sports at colleges and universities. Sports leads to a “win-at-all-cost” mentality which is contrary to the liberal arts of higher education. Alsi, like the NFL run their own A, AA and AAA minor league teams like baseball does and pay the players!

    I think all the Sears and Kmart stores in the Detroit area are gone. I have a fond spot in my heart for Sears. When I was growing up that was *the* store for shopping. And right uo tp the end their hardware department was excellent. What killed Sears *a lot of things wounded Sears, competition, etc) but what killed them was venture (vulture) capitalism. The companies were bought up be VC funds who have drained the companies cash reserves while imposing management policies that have hurt the business. The head of the VC firm is an ardent Ayn Rand fan and believes that pitting managers against each other was how to run a company. It wasn’t. So now hundreds of stories have closed, thousands of people are out of good paying jobs. This is another shining example that capitalism isn’t good for the nation. Because capitalism is about owning all the money, not sharing the wealth.

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  41. Mark P said on August 23, 2018 at 5:33 pm

    I liked Sears many, many years ago when they kept employees in the various departments who knew their products and their jobs, like hardware and paint. Those days passed decades ago.

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  42. Icarus said on August 23, 2018 at 6:05 pm

    They closed the Sears at Six Corners (half a mile from me) last month. It was an anchor store and I believe the first Sears in the city.

    I’ve always felt bad for the people who have worked at these stores for many years, never realizing what is really going on, always wondering why nobody will make the simple, and obvious improvements that would enhance the customer experience. Unfortunately, it’s far too late to actually save the businesses, even if somebody at the top decided to try.

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  43. Deborah said on August 23, 2018 at 7:38 pm

    I think I went to a Sears at the Santa Fe mall at some point a few years ago, I vaguely have a memory of waiting for someone to help me and never finding anyone. Before that I remember going to the Sears on State St in Chicago to buy a Lands End bathing suit, I ended up buying a suit from Lands End directly online instead of through the Sears store. That State St Sears closed since then. I don’t think the Santa Fe store is open anymore either. I’m not sorry
    about either of those closings.

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  44. basset said on August 24, 2018 at 12:51 am

    Seems like signs of Detroit’s continuing rebirth show up here every few days, some new renovation project or hipster gathering place somewhere. So… here’s some perspective from a few years back:

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  45. Dexter Friend said on August 24, 2018 at 1:53 am

    Alex, once FW Sears had an ad in the paper for a great deal on a brake job, so I went there and the desk man said the coupon wasn’t valid for some reason, and I argued with this sassy prick, then left. I waited until he left for lunch or whatever and went back in and the new man on the desk took my coupon and took my car in and a mechanic began rebuilding my car’s brakes. Later, as the bill was finished and I was removing cash from my wallet, Mister Prick returns and begins raising hell. The hatred in that man’s eyes! Since the deal was all done, he just blasted me with some choice fuck-yous and I left, but, too, never went back…the brakes were fine, and that’s all I cared about anyway, and I did save like a hundo.

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  46. Dexter Friend said on August 24, 2018 at 1:57 am

    My 7th grade self was snickering all during the news of the day, yeah, snickering and laffin’ out loud. You know why? TV personalities constantly saying “David Pecker”. I just couldn’t stop the grins. I mean, people sometimes make fun of my last name, Friend…but Pecker? C’mon, man !

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  47. Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on August 24, 2018 at 7:21 am

    Headline: Feds use Pecker to probe Trump

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  48. susan said on August 24, 2018 at 9:50 am

    or, Comrade Trump, Betrayed By His Pecker

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  49. susan said on August 24, 2018 at 9:54 am

    This ad needs to be on city busses all over the USA. It’s an ad on a Copenhagen bus to get Amurkan ex-pats to vote.

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  50. Connie said on August 24, 2018 at 11:16 am

    When I was first married we lived in Upper Arlington/Columbus for just less than a year. We were delighted to be present for the Woody Haye’s firing. If OSU could survive firing winning Woody they would survive firing winning Urban.

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  51. Sherri said on August 24, 2018 at 11:23 am

    This sounds like an interesting series:

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  52. Sherri said on August 24, 2018 at 11:38 am

    I’m not surprised that Urban Meyer didn’t get fired. I’m a little surprised at the sportswriter takes I’m reading that he’s somehow now diminished, that he’s lost the right to claim the high moral ground. What, you thought he ever held that? Did the Tebow glow blind you to all the shit at Florida?

    The only thing I find interesting is how long Meyer kept protecting Zach Smith despite Smith being terrible at his job.

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  53. Sherri said on August 24, 2018 at 11:49 am

    The Trump Org CFO has immunity. He’s worked for the Trumps since the 70s.

    This should be fun. Too bad grand jury testimony is sealed.

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  54. Mark P said on August 24, 2018 at 12:26 pm

    I think it was the Sears at the mall in Santa Fe that a friend took his truck for routine oil changes. He got suspicious one time so he watched what they did. They drove the truck around and parked it a different spot and then told him they changed the oil. When he confronted them, they changed the oil and dumped a lot all over his engine.

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  55. beb said on August 24, 2018 at 1:13 pm

    William Saletan at Slate argues that you don’t need blackmail or bribes to explain Trump cozy relationship with Putin. It evolves from Trumps narcissism, spite and obsession with strong men rulers.

    Saletan isn’t denying that Russia interfered with the US election but suggests that Russian helped Trump only when it was in line with their goals. Saletan is positing that Trump is more craven then generally acknowledged It’s an interesting theory and seem to hold together well.

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  56. Jakash said on August 24, 2018 at 1:48 pm

    On the one hand, how could a lifelong grifter like Hair Furor think that he could become president and not have folks start investigating his life of grifting? On the other hand, maybe he never really did expect to win, and running was just a high-profile grift, in the first place. On the third hand, how does a lifelong grifter manage to be a “celebrity” for much of his life and not have more of his grifting looked into before now? As people have noted before — look at how transparently crooked the guy is, coupled with being incompetent — and it’s only now that he *might* pay a significant price for it. No wonder that the guys who caused the financial crisis, for example, got off scot-free.

    I’m sure he’ll be tweeting soon that many of his crimes in the past have nothing to do with collusion, so adding those in to the mix really isn’t very sportsmanlike…

    Susan: that Copenhagen bus @ 49 is hilarious. Would love to have been there when the idea was presented: “And we could paint eyeballs on the wheels, to give the guy the ole googly-eyed look. Ja?”

    beb: “Trump is more craven then generally acknowledged” I’m not a general, but that would not be possible, in my estimation. ; )

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  57. Jakash said on August 24, 2018 at 2:02 pm

    “Undocumented immigrants commit crimes at a considerably lower rate than the election campaign staff of Donald J. Trump.”

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  58. Connie said on August 24, 2018 at 2:53 pm

    My husband and I have each taken a turn working at Sears. I spent a year in college selling extended warranties to new appliance buyers. Over the phone. Which makes me a former telemarketer. I always made my quota.

    My husband worked one Christmas in the department known as paint and automotive at the old downtown Sears in Holland. It was also the toy dept at Christmas time, he still refers to that as his Atari Christmas. And it only took a few days for him to become the guy who could fix the paint machine.

    I remember Sears as a good employer. We earned points for various things, that you could spend at an employee store. I got my first ever portable cassette player at that store, and between the two of us several pieces of our variously sized Corning casseroles also came from there.

    But then they screwed me as a customer. The $11 black skirt that I bought for the sixth grade band concert (Not for me, but the band kid) ended up costing me over $200 and a bad credit knock when Sears failed to process the address change I did while I was there to buy the skirt. And I never noticed that I wasn’t getting a bill.

    So there Sears.

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  59. Sherri said on August 24, 2018 at 3:13 pm

    This sounds about right. trump is really going to be shocked when his CFO’s testimony brings down the whole business.

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  60. David C. said on August 24, 2018 at 3:52 pm

    I would take anything written by Lord Saletan of the Bothsiders with a huge grain of salt, beb.

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  61. beb said on August 24, 2018 at 4:19 pm

    I see we are in “pre-mourning” for John McCain who has discontinued the chemo for his cancer. The hagiography as already begun. McCain crashed a number of planes, the last in North Viet Nam where he served honorable as a POW. He was one of Keating seven of corrupt Senators but also, famously corrected a woman at a town hall meeting who said Obama was an Arab. McCain would have been a terrible president on the order of George W. Bush, but that makes him an order of magnitute than Trump

    David C. — I have never heard a good word about Saletan by the lefty bloggers I read. And Saletan here is not trying to excuse Trump for anything. He’s offering a timeline where Trump’s numerous weaknesses led to where we are now.

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  62. alex said on August 24, 2018 at 4:34 pm

    And then there was a CNN screen crawl about Pecker Leaking.

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  63. Jakash said on August 24, 2018 at 4:51 pm

    Okay, just one more tweet.

    “Aaaand…the Trump Train is headed towards an iceberg”

    I particularly liked all the memes showing up in the replies. My favorite: A Brady Bunch box of photos of 9 Trumpians holding phones, with the caption: “You have reached the Robert Mueller Plea Hot Line. All Special Agents are assisting other traitors. Please continue to hold.”

    Really, really off-topic… Perhaps some will be able to guess why I include this quote from a sad article about a struggling Kansas brewing company:

    “‘When I started this in 2007, there were 1,200 craft breweries in the country. Today, there are 6,600. The craft beer market is extremely challenging for smaller regional breweries right now,’ said Jeff Gill, founder and former CEO of Tallgrass Brewing Company.”

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  64. Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on August 24, 2018 at 11:10 pm

    Ah, if only, if only . . . thank you, Jakash!

    Deborah, will you see Zozobra burned this year in Santa Fe?

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  65. Dexter Friend said on August 25, 2018 at 1:20 am

    Any hard-working person who is of the rare breed who does not have an addiction to their phone might have come home, turned on the TV, and thought McCain was dead. Pre-mourning like never before, right. It must be close at hand as Lester Holt said McCain in in his last few days now. The situation I recall like this that stayed with me was the demise of baseball’s Joe DiMaggio. He was at death’s door with tributes rolling in, and the days dragged on. His caretaker then told the press that Joltin’ Joe was undergoing experimental life-extending treatment, which must have worked, as days turned to weeks. Finally Joe passed away. After all the burned-out writers must have been exhausted by the wait, the papers finally did explode, all the photos of Joe & Marilyn were re-printed, and that was that, finally.

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  66. Deborah said on August 25, 2018 at 7:28 am

    Jeff, I have yet to attend a Zozobra burning. Just not in to the crowds I guess. I will be in Abiquiu next weekend, my last in NM until midOctober.

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