Overserved.

I think it was a few weeks back, writing about vomit, that I wondered whether adults older than college age are still drinking like they are in college. Which no one should do, because college drinking is insane.

(Yes, this has to do with Brett Kavanaugh.)

After reading the latest sheaf of stories, most of them in the NYT, and summarized well in today’s edition of their podcast, The Daily, I’m more convinced he’s likely an alcoholic. It’s possible he stopped or cut way back when the full responsibilities of adulthood settled on his shoulders, but if he had, I’d think he’d have enough distance from his college years to speak frankly about them — how much he drank, how he feels about it, etc.

But he can’t. As classmate after classmate comes forward to offer eyewitness testimony that suggests this man was no boy scout, I’m convinced his reaction would be the same: Liars! Liars, all of them!

Which sounds kinda, I dunno, alcoholic-y.

After I worked on the college-drinking package that we did for Bridge a few years ago, I wondered if we were pearl-clutching, that what we’d reported on is just the ol’ Kids Being Kids, aka It Was Ever Thus. But the more I see the way post-college adults drink these days, I think not. I think the emphasis on puke-and-rally/Animal House-style drinking sets a pattern that can be hard to break. Some days, I look at the $15 craft-cocktail trend as being almost a form of temperance, in the sense that it’s almost impossible for a standard middle-income person to drink very many of those, unless they have a very thick wallet.

But often, when I go to those in-between bars — not a dive, not a twee cocktail lounge — I see grown-ass adults with graying temples drinking like DKE bros at the end of pledge week. Candy-flavored vodkas, shots, the whole nine. That sort of pattern is dangerous. Once that becomes your normal, you’re a giant step closer to an AA meeting.

I think so, anyway.

I have to hit Publish and get this thing on its way, but before I do, I have to say I haven’t read the New York Times’ ginormous investigation on how the Trump family worked the loopholes — and in some cases, engaged in outright fraud — to accumulate and protect its wealth. But I did listen to the Daily podcast, which summarized it, and it’s pretty appalling. Reading 14,000 words will take some time, but the Daily will only take 30 minutes. I highly recommend it.

Gotta run. Happy Wednesday.

Posted at 11:33 am in Current events |
 

71 responses to “Overserved.”

  1. Deborah said on October 3, 2018 at 11:46 am

    I’m about halfway through that NYT article, it’s a doozy. Trump’s mockery of Dr. Ford and the crowd cheering and laughing about it in his rally last night was despicable.

    I really hope Kavanaugh is toast after all of this. I’m sure they’ll find an even more conservative person to nominate, so it’s not like they won’t eventually overturn Roe.

    It rained last night in Santa Fe which is always welcome. The aspen are glorious up in the mountains. LB and I are going to Abiquiu this afternoon to check things out. My husband comes Saturday, then we’ll start staying in the cabin again.

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  2. Sherri said on October 3, 2018 at 12:02 pm

    Read the NYT article. We’re not talking the usual pushing the gray area on trying to avoid taxes, the whole the scandal is what’s legal area. We’re talking orders of magnitude different valuation of assets to avoid taxes and transfer money between generations. A few reactions:

    -Trump’s sister is a Federal judge.

    -Glad the NYT did this story. Shame they didn’t do it two years ago, instead of chasing after John Podesta’s risotto recipe.

    -This corruption was so blatant and ongoing, yet no one paid any attention to it.

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  3. Sherri said on October 3, 2018 at 12:03 pm

    Not notable enough for a Wikipedia page.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/10/nobel-prize-physics-donna-strickland-gerard-mourou-arthur-ashkin/571909/

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  4. LaMary said on October 3, 2018 at 12:10 pm

    I’ve seen an alcoholic or two in my life and I suspect Kavanaugh is one of those guys. I’ve seen intelligent, quiet relatives of mine punch out windshields and nearly knock out someone who tried to take away car keys. One of these people I’m referring to drank a lot in college and afterwards. Beer, hard liquor. Stupid drinking games with a bunch of rich white guys who were of similar temperment and privilege. It was a little funny or cool briefly. This little sister got real tired of it.

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  5. Connie said on October 3, 2018 at 12:16 pm

    I went to college during the 18 years drinking age. We all drank. We all had keg parties. We often went to tequila shot night at the Brewery Bar.

    But I just don’t drink much these days. I will occasionally order a drink but rarely drink at home. My last drink? Two weeks ago we checked out our local Irish Tavern, so I had a black and tan.

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  6. FDChief said on October 3, 2018 at 12:22 pm

    The thing about the NYT piece is that it’s not really “news”. Anybody who lived in the NY/NJ area in the 70s and 80s 1) couldn’t escape hearing about Trump, and 2) knew he was dirty and mobbed-up. Tax cheating? No, duh, really?

    And it was no different in 2016. Why the hell did anyone think he wouldn’t release his tax returns?

    That’s why this story will have no effect on the GOP base. They want what he brings them; white grievance, entitlement, racism, the “temporarily-embarrassed-millionaire” fantasy. They could care less that he’s a crook, no more than they care he lies constantly.

    We tend to forget how many Germans were just fine with Nazis.

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  7. Jim G said on October 3, 2018 at 12:47 pm

    Alcoholic? With Kavanaugh’s ranting, paranoid, sniffing performance last week, I’m surprised the word “cocaine” hasn’t been bandied about much.

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  8. Sherri said on October 3, 2018 at 1:16 pm

    I have one more reaction to the NYT story. They admit that Trump’s story of being a self made rich man was amplified by a credulous media, including the NYT itself. Are they reconsidering their coverage of rich people given this?

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  9. Sherri said on October 3, 2018 at 2:12 pm

    Sure, trump mocked a sexual assault victim because that’s who he is. But he’s been restrained until now. I think this explains why he’s not going to be now, and the GOP is fine with it, despite their expressions of concern.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/10/conservative-women-kavanaugh-ford/572023/

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  10. Deborah said on October 3, 2018 at 2:26 pm

    Did everyone else jump out of their skins when the alert went off?

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  11. Deborah said on October 3, 2018 at 2:31 pm

    I had a work acquaintance who grew up wealthy in the Baltimore area, he had stories of drinking in whatever prep school he went to, but mainly his stories were about drugs, he is a little older than Kavanaugh. I haven’t talked to the guy in years, I’d love to get his impressions now.

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  12. Suzanne said on October 3, 2018 at 2:42 pm

    Somebody on Twitter was going on about how one Kavanaugh detractor was clearly was lying because she talked about there being everclear spiked punch at parties and nobody served punch at parties in college in the 80s, don’t ya know. Except many, many of the parties I attended when I was in college just a few years prior to Kavanaugh’s time. I was warned from the beginning to avoid the punch because God knew what was in it.
    She also stated that there could not have been punch spiked with Quaaludes because the pills wouldn’t have dissolved. What they did in a person’s stomach is a mystery, I guess.
    So there you have it. Clearly, Kavanaugh’s college mates with their stories are paid to make up lies.

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  13. Jakash said on October 3, 2018 at 2:46 pm

    Well, that #9 link is a swell way to get one’s blood boiling on a Wednesday afternoon. “‘I believe, with every fiber of my being, that he is telling the truth,’ Howard says. ‘Not just because I’m conservative, and not just because I’m Republican. I believe that he is telling the truth.'” Not because of those things, but because of what, then? Because you’re an easily deluded, credulous dupe, perhaps? (Uh, yeah, that’s a double redundancy, I know.)

    “Nearly all the women I spoke with are plugged into state- and local-level conservative politics.” Fortunately, any such women who have not jumped off the Trump Train by this point are not “reachable” voters, regardless. They evidently have no shame. As always, it’s about motivating the base. If only Dems would freaking vote, their base would more than counter the base of white women and men who spent 35 years railing against coastal elites, but feel sorry for a Yale bro like Brett KavaNaaaah and support a New York City real estate “tycoon” as he cynically demolishes the norms that they supposedly hold dear.

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  14. Jakash said on October 3, 2018 at 3:26 pm

    Tweet:

    “I do not like this Donald Trump. I do not like him on my phone. I do not like his little clone. I do not like him here or there. I do not like him anywhere.”

    Reply:

    “I do not like him on your watch, I do not like him on your crotch. I do not like him on tv, I do not like him making pee. I do not like his fake hair, I do not like him anywhere.”

    Additional reply:

    “I do not like his shiny ties, I do not like his two ex-wives. I do not like his moron sons, I do not like his bulbous buns. No, I do not like that rotund rump, I do not like that Donald Trump.”

    https://twitter.com/MollyJongFast/status/1047563392750407682

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  15. Charlotte said on October 3, 2018 at 3:31 pm

    If you want to see binge drinking like Kavanaugh seems prone to — check out any college or pro football tailgate scene. One of my besties bartended in Ann Arbor through grad school, and paid her way by flirting with drunk dads on football weekends (and married the bouncer).
    I survived a lot of those out-of-control house parties in high school, mostly because I was too terrified to venture past the 2 or 3 “safe” rooms where my friends were. But huge rich people houses, full of drunk teenagers were technically legal if there was a parent in the house. The home of the worst offenders, both parents were there, drinking right along with us (and both had reputations for being handsy). It was an ugly era. MADD pretty much shut it down, thank goodness.

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  16. Heather said on October 3, 2018 at 3:37 pm

    I was a binge drinker in college, but just sort of stopped when I got a job and had to get up in the mornings. I don’t understand how you can function and continue to do that. Maybe if it’s just on weekends? Even so, how do people have time to have hangovers on the weekend? If I even get a mild headache from one too many glasses of wine, I’m angry at myself.

    I can’t tell if he’s an alcoholic or just an asshole. Maybe a bit of both.

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  17. Jeff Borden said on October 3, 2018 at 3:43 pm

    You need to be a wealthy person to get a buzz on at Wrigley Field. I was at the wild card game last night –the Cubs lost 2-1 in 13 innings– and was only mildly surprised to see beer prices had increased by $2. I bought two craft beers for my buddy and me for $24. . .not including a reasonable tip. Even the Bud and Bud Light prices from the roaming vendors were up to $10.75.

    One good thing about Cubs night games: beer and liquor sales are halted at 9 p.m. or the 7th inning, whichever comes first.

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  18. Jerrie said on October 3, 2018 at 4:25 pm

    I’m glad to see that Matthew Miller’s twitter thoughts on how the Democrats need to put more pressure on the FBI by promising aggressive investigations and making demands, the same way the Republicans do, have been memorialized in a Politico piece. This isn’t the time to lay low.

    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/10/03/kavanaugh-allegations-fbi-investigation-politicize-220843

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  19. LAMary said on October 3, 2018 at 5:20 pm

    FD Chief…I’m with you. Anyone who lived in the NYC area knew who Trump was. Clearly mobbed up so he could get the unions to work on his buildings. A con man and a fraud and a thug. Most high level mob guys were more subtle and tasteful than Trump.

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  20. Dexter Friend said on October 3, 2018 at 5:21 pm

    A few years ago I had to process the report of NYC cocktails costing $15…a few months ago I heard the going price is now $17. My last bar-beer cost $2.25 in the local workingman’s bar. That was 26 years ago, so I wonder what a domestic costs now…Jeff’s reporting that a domestic is $10.75 is not surprising, as with hi-def TVs anyone can read the price on vendors’ buttons. Being a teetotaller has advantages, as milk is just 99 cents a gallon at Aldi’s. 🙂 As I age and the docs find more old-age things wrong with me, I am grateful that at least I don’t have to worry about alcohol’s effects on me. Things run in clumps: my little great-grandson is back in a Las Vegas hospital with an autoimmune condition called HSP, poor little guy hurts. My niece’s husband is currently being evaluated via a bone marrow biopsy for possible leukemia, Vanessa had a mastectomy a few days ago (cancer seemed contained to the removed tissue and one lymph gland) and me, too…now the doc says my ticker needs to be checked with a nuclear stress test. Oh boy…but I will not freak the fuck out until they tell me I have to have heart surgery, which is now speculation. Well, ya can’t stop what’s comin’, as is said by “Ellis” in “No Country for Old Men.”

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  21. David C. said on October 3, 2018 at 5:35 pm

    Even the wingnuts I work with rolled their eyes at the alert. I don’t think it’ll go over very big.

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  22. susan said on October 3, 2018 at 6:06 pm

    My Tracfone™®© was safe from Orange contamination. It did not squeal at the appointed hour.

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  23. Kaye said on October 3, 2018 at 6:29 pm

    Dexter – Sorry to hear of additional medical concerns in your family. Perhaps I can offer some assurance regarding the stress test as I went through that last week. Takes about four hours, most of which is spent waiting for the next step. The stress part was not as bad as I anticipated; medicine opens up vessels as if you were excersing, takes your breath away a bit. Last four minutes while an EKG runs. Both before and after that you spend 15 minutes relaxing in a CT machine while it takes photos of your heart. The rest of the time is waiting, bring a snack and a book. Hope your news is good!

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  24. Jolene said on October 3, 2018 at 8:30 pm

    Kavanaugh reminds me of stories a friend told me about her alcoholic father. He was functional enough to remain employed and pay for his seven children to go to Catholic school (not fancy schools, though), but when he drank, he was terrifying. Watching Kavanaugh at his hearing, I could imagine how my friend felt as a child as a much bigger human became loud and threatening.

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  25. basset said on October 3, 2018 at 9:16 pm

    No, you can’t.

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  26. Deborah said on October 3, 2018 at 9:56 pm

    So once again Santa Fe was disorganized about a protest. I got a text from Moveon that events were being held in various cities to stop Kavanaugh. Santa Fe was listed as having one at the Plaza at 6pm. We went to Abiquiu this afternoon after LB had a Dr appt, to check things out and make sure everything is ok. We didn’t leave town until after 2 and I wanted to make sure we got back in time to go to the 6pm protest. And once again a scheduled protest was canceled, or something. People, get it together! We ended up going to get something to eat and I forgot to tell the server to put the green chili sauce on the side, so I could barely eat my food it was so spicy.

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  27. Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on October 3, 2018 at 11:25 pm

    More salsa verde, please. It’s the only answer to what ails us.

    Waiting for the better NYT piece on how Trump was mobbed up. The fact that his father evaded estate taxes is not exactly breaking news.

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  28. Sherri said on October 4, 2018 at 12:13 am

    And the story about who’s been bailing him out since Daddy died…

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  29. Sherri said on October 4, 2018 at 12:15 am

    I did get the presidential alert, and then had no data service for about 5 hours.

    https://www.seattletimes.com/business/regions-cell-networks-disrupted-after-presidential-text-alert/

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  30. alex said on October 4, 2018 at 6:56 am

    Presidential alert indeed… if you haven’t been jolted awake yet to the fact that the White House has been taken over by a sick fuck.

    So having read about the already concluded FBI investigation, in which the FBI interviewed neither Ford nor Kavanaugh, and did not secure Ford’s psychotherapist’s notes from years ago naming Kavanaugh, I’d say it’s just as a lot of us suspected — a sham to give the Republicans cover for a vote no one could otherwise make in good conscience.

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  31. ROGirl said on October 4, 2018 at 7:13 am

    So the Clinton conspiracy failed to win the presidency and it won’t prevent this preppy asshole frat boy from becoming a Supreme Court justice.

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  32. basset said on October 4, 2018 at 7:59 am

    Puke and rally… I must live a sheltered life, the only time I’ve heard that was on a fishing boat in Alaska.
    The barf stories reminded me of when I interviewed for the job that brought me to Nashville. On the way to dinner afterward, the interviewer pointed out out the former location of a restaurant where he had gotten a little carried away and thrown up in the salad bar. I thought “yeah, I can work for this guy.”

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  33. Dorothy said on October 4, 2018 at 9:28 am

    I shut my phone off at 1:43 PM, turned it back on at 2:30, and thought perhaps I’d get a delayed message. But I got nothing. I guess if a real emergency happens I just have to be next to someone else who gets the text about it. Shutting off my phone was my own dumb silent protest about the whole thing. It was meaningless to do so but for some reason I felt better about avoiding it. Then was surprised that I did NOT get it. Yes I am that wishy washy.

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  34. Jolene said on October 4, 2018 at 9:46 am

    “Shutting off my phone was my own dumb silent protest about the whole thing.”

    Perhaps it would make you feel better to know that the warning actually comes from FEMA. It’s just labeled presidential.

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  35. Heather said on October 4, 2018 at 10:03 am

    A friend just pointed out the possibility of Kavanaugh getting confirmed and Jason Van Dyke (the Chicago cop on trial for murdering a young African-American man) getting acquitted on the same day.

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  36. Suzanne said on October 4, 2018 at 10:12 am

    Heather, I don’t doubt that.
    And yet, it’s the poor white men who now need to be so afraid.

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  37. Deborah said on October 4, 2018 at 10:34 am

    I hope one of the senators makes the FBI report public.

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  38. Bitter Scribe said on October 4, 2018 at 10:34 am

    Connie @#5: This is a very peripheral issue, but it’s always kind of bugged me…

    How can Irish people enjoy a drink called a “Black & Tan”? Wasn’t Black & Tans the name for the British occupational police, prior to independence? That seems to be a little parallel to, I dunno, Jewish people ordering a drink called a Stormtrooper.

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  39. Sherri said on October 4, 2018 at 10:42 am

    Leon Lederman, the great physicist, has died. Notable in his AP obit is the following:

    His Nobel Prize sold for $765,000 in an auction in 2015 to help pay for medical bills and care.

    https://www.apnews.com/9b5d3d178b3140318e3801dca910a140/Nobel-Prize-winning-physicist-Leon-Lederman-dies-at-96

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  40. Joe Kobiela said on October 4, 2018 at 11:15 am

    Just overnighted in Raton New Mexico, I can see why Deborah likes it out here. Off to Houston I’ll wave as I fly by Deb.
    Pilot Joe

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  41. Bob (not Greene) said on October 4, 2018 at 11:52 am

    Bitter Scribe @38: My understanding is that the Irish don’t use that term. Rather, the Irish call that a “half and half.”

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  42. Dorothy said on October 4, 2018 at 12:30 pm

    Yes Jolene I know that – but when it was initially announced it said the announcement was coming from (and I use the term loosely) the President. That’s all I needed to hear. In my mind it was a ruse to pester the sh** out of me from that moron. That’s why I called it a “dumb protest.” I don’t always use all of my brain cells when I make decisions.

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  43. Sherri said on October 4, 2018 at 12:34 pm

    This is a great Twitter thread on Sandra Day O’Connor and her relevance to the Kavanaugh confirmation.

    https://twitter.com/LindaHirshman1/status/1047830141165064192

    Like I always say, you never get a good price for selling your soul.

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  44. Jakash said on October 4, 2018 at 1:06 pm

    Interesting point about the Black and Tan. Yuengling calls their bottled version “a traditional English Half & Half,” which would make more sense, then.

    Here’s a short piece making the same point as Bitter Scribe:

    https://www.kegworks.com/blog/dont-order-a-black-and-tan-in-ireland/

    In my experience in American Irish bars, a Black and Tan is made with Guinness and Bass Ale, while a Half and Half is different, using Guinness and Harp, which theoretically makes it “All Irish.” Or *used* to, since the Harp we get here is now brewed in Canada, the last time I checked. FWIW, I believe the Bass Ale we get here is brewed in New Hampshire, so it’s not quite as English as it used to be, either…

    I’d much rather talk about beer than KavaNaaah! Of course, in addition to all his other flaws, he had to go and give beer a bad name. Sad! ; )

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  45. basset said on October 4, 2018 at 1:30 pm

    I just wish we could still get Stroh’s.

    There may be something out there that uses the name, it’s been bought and sold several times, but it ain’t Stroh’s. Gotta have that Detroit River water, infused with iron ore and dead bodies.

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  46. Jakash said on October 4, 2018 at 2:06 pm

    Indeed, Basset, there are a fair number of the old beer *names* and, supposedly, *recipes* (right!) still being used, but not very many are made in the same place or by the same entity that originated them.

    Evidently, Stroh’s *is* being made with Detroit River water again, though. While it’s owned by Pabst, they’re contract-brewing it via a brewery which began brewing in 2014, Brew Detroit…

    “Stroh’s Bohemian-style Pilsner, which debuted on Aug. 22 (2016) in Michigan, is based on a recipe from the late 1800s. It is made at Brew Detroit, a brewery in the city’s Corktown neighborhood, marking the first time Stroh’s has been brewed in Detroit since 1985.”

    https://adage.com/article/cmo-strategy/pabst-reinventing-stroh-s-style-schlitz/305538/

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  47. bb in DE said on October 4, 2018 at 2:34 pm

    Jakash–Not only has Kavanaugh given beer a bad name, he’s given his name a bad name. It’s been a tough couple weeks to be a Brett, even over here.

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  48. The Garden Fairy said on October 4, 2018 at 2:55 pm

    @45 & 46 — Thanks for the memories & news.

    Lived/ practiced vet med in Hagerstown, IN in the early-mid 80s. Always kept a case of Stroh’s long-necks in the basement (vaccine) ‘fridge.

    Whatever the season — plow, disc, planter, till, combine — sharing a cold one with the neighbor was a pleasant way to catch up at the end of a day. Riding along in the cab for an hour or so, or on the porch after the tractor was shut down.

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  49. Deborah said on October 4, 2018 at 4:44 pm

    LB and I went to a really cool place in Santa Fe today, it’s called Meow Wolf, George RR Martin is one of the founders. Basically it’s a big warehouse with a house inside called The House of Eternal Return. You go through portals inside the house, like a refrigerator, a fireplace, a clothes dryer etc into this bizarro world of imagination. It’s visual stimulation on steroids. A super fun place for kids of all ages. Our upstairs neighbor in Santa Fe works there and gave us free passes.

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  50. Dave said on October 4, 2018 at 4:49 pm

    I was blasting through Hagerstown on trains then and for a good many years thereafter.

    I hope there’s a deep, deep ugly place waiting for McConnell sometime in the future. I hate thinking things like that but that is where I’m at these days. I received a distributed e-mail from an old friend yesterday. I wrote back and told him that someone must have hacked his e-mail because he surely didn’t believe that.

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  51. Deggjr said on October 4, 2018 at 7:50 pm

    Dave #50, it sounds like you modeled the Cleveland Browns response to a fan’s complaint letter about paper airplanes. Final line: “I feel you should be aware that some asshole is signing your name to stupid letters.”

    Well done.

    https://deadspin.com/5716038/the-greatest-letter-ever-printed-on-nfl-team-letterhead

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  52. Sherri said on October 4, 2018 at 7:50 pm

    Heitkamp is a no on Kavanaugh. That’s what standing up for principles rather than personal power is about, Jeff Flake, Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski, Joe Manchin. Voting no will probably hurt her in her re-election battle.

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  53. Deborah said on October 4, 2018 at 8:10 pm

    Please listen to this podcast, it’s excellent https://art19.com/shows/why-is-this-happening-with-chris-hayes/episodes/5f30cc4e-bc1f-4b73-a920-

    I donated to Heitkamp’s campaign because of something Jolene posted on FB. Even if Heitkamp loses I’m so thankful that she had the guts to stick her neck out at her political peril, my donation is a pittance in the face of that.

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  54. Jolene said on October 4, 2018 at 8:39 pm

    Life imitates art. Fans of Ray Donovan will recognize this real-life doofus as the guy who plays the doofus son on the show. Bad behavior, to say the least.

    https://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2018/10/ray-donovan-actor-arrested-for-dui-while-letting-his-two-year-old-son-drive

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  55. Jolene said on October 4, 2018 at 8:50 pm

    Heitkamp posted an excellent statement explaining her vote on Facebook. Check it out if you can. It focuses on women’s rights and the welfare of women and children. North Dakota has a fairly large Native American population, and those issues are paramount in those communities, as they are in small, rural communities with few services.

    In her election campaign, she’s also drawing attention to the GOP efforts to further undermine the ACA by weakening coverage for people with pre-existing conditions–also a wise choice in that state.

    Her brother, a local radio host, was interviewed on MSNBC today. He said that, in her last election, the polls showed that she was down 10% on election day, but she won narrowly. That was, of course, a presidential election year, meaning a different electorate, but let’s hope she can do that again.

    Thanks again for your contribution, Deborah. As I’ve said before, small contributions can make a big difference in a small media market like ND.

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  56. alex said on October 4, 2018 at 8:53 pm

    The Ray Donovan thing… that’s what Kavanaugh would have done if he’d been forced to have a son at 22 (because abortion’s evil doncha know) but still drank like he hadn’t a care in the world…

    Just got back from a plate of peel-and-eat shrimp and cocktails sitting next to some boor who chatted me up and kept telling me he was a conservative, but was somehow different and actually listens to other people’s point of view. He didn’t really. In fact, he told me about some screwy study that says liberals are the most intolerant while conservatives are the most patient and open-minded. I tell ya, the Foxbots are getting programmed so that they have an answer for everything. Even if no one else is asking.

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  57. The Garden Fairy said on October 4, 2018 at 8:56 pm

    @53 – Deborah, I think part of the URL got lopped off. Try this — https://art19.com/shows/why-is-this-happening-with-chris-hayes/episodes/5f30cc4e-bc1f-4b73-a920-4eca8960db25 Run time looks to be about 65 min, so this will have to wait ’til tomorrow.

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  58. The Garden Fairy said on October 4, 2018 at 9:05 pm

    @53 – Deborah — and here’s the transcript of the Chris Hayes podcast– https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/rebecca-traister-explains-why-women-are-so-furious-podcast-transcript-ncna915646

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  59. Jolene said on October 4, 2018 at 9:21 pm

    The NYT has 36 hours worth of things to do in Nashville.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/04/travel/what-to-do-in-nashville.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur

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  60. basset said on October 4, 2018 at 10:54 pm

    Pretty much what you’d expect, a list of places where the NYT’s readers would feel most like they’re in New York… or on some kind of field trip among the rustics.

    I have been to twelve of the locations mentioned but I’m not nearly hip enough for many of them. I know the writer, no idea what amaro whatever is and I don’t care.

    Jakash, thanks for that on Stroh’s, will have to try it next time we’re up that way. Can you still get Stroh’s ice cream around Detroit?

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  61. Joe Kobiela said on October 4, 2018 at 11:46 pm

    Basset,
    I would bet there are better bars on the East side, hopefully it hasn’t been discover to much.
    Pilot Joe

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  62. Jakash said on October 5, 2018 at 1:58 am

    If anybody can watch this once and not watch it again, you may be even more of a curmudgeon than I am… Sound required.

    https://twitter.com/WFLAJosh/status/1047184666904731648

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  63. Deborah said on October 5, 2018 at 7:39 am

    Ha! This is so cool, I’ve met this guy at the Abiquiu Chamber Music Festival, Matthew Aucoin won one of the 18 McArthur genius awards this year https://www.npr.org/sections/deceptivecadence/2018/10/04/654327199/macarthur-fellow-matthew-aucoin-talks-composing-and-donating-his-genius-money

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  64. Deborah said on October 5, 2018 at 7:51 am

    Oops, I think there were 24 McArthur grants this year, not 18.

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  65. basset said on October 5, 2018 at 9:11 am

    Joe, East Nashville, the area across the river just east of downtown, has been overpriced hipster land for several years now… I don’t feel qualified to eat in some of the restaurants, have to be a “foodie” to go there. If you mean the eastern part of the metro, out around the airport and past, there could well be some good places but I live on the other side of the county and don’t get there much. The bar part of my life is pretty much over anyway, just not into it.

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  66. Dorothy said on October 5, 2018 at 9:36 am

    How is it that I hadn’t heard about this movie until yesterday!? Opens in two months (Christmas). Can’t hardly wait.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g09a9laLh0k

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  67. Sherri said on October 5, 2018 at 10:51 am

    Dahlia has a crazy idea, but I suspect she’d be disappointed with the outcome. I think Bush v. Gore already showed us what the Court is.

    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/10/brett-kavanaugh-broke-scotus.html

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  68. Deborah said on October 5, 2018 at 11:05 am

    So Manchin needs to be primary-ed out of the party. Good for Murkowski. I didn’t expect anything else of Collins or Flake.

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  69. beb said on October 5, 2018 at 12:36 pm

    This is in a way a test. I seem to think that I’ve written a couple times on this thread but nothing has shown up. Maybe I decided not to post after writing….

    I think Heitkamp and Donnelly (Indiana) both made the same calculation: that trying to run as Republican-lite doesn’t work. One a the R’s are running against Donnelly begins by saying the first thing Joe did in Congress was vote for Pelosi (but you’ve got to say it in a deep and menacing voice — Pel-Ooooo-si!) Then he voted for Obamacare and against Trump’s tax cuts. As if there’s something wrong about the Affordable Healthcare Act or good in giving billions of dollars to the wealthiest people in America. The point is that the dyed in the wool Trump fans weren’t going to vote for Donnelly anyway. So better to vote against Kavanaugh and please the people who would be voting for him. And Heitkamp made the same decision.

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  70. beb said on October 5, 2018 at 12:44 pm

    And other news, I’ve that traffic for BitTorrent is on the increase which the author suggests is caused by the increased fragmentation of the streaming market. I’d kind of noticed that, too. All the best television seems to be on premium channels or Netflick, or Hulu, Amazon, And now Disney is moving all their stuff to a Disney streaming service. The new Star Trek is on their own streaming service. Apple is trying to set up their own streaming service…. Even at $10 a pop for any of these services it’s another $100 on top of the $200 Comcast charges for internet services. No wonder people are turning to bootlegging shows.

    I’m so old I remember when there were just three TV channels, over the air, for free, and we liked it! Excuse me, I’ve got to kids I’ve got to yell at.

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  71. susan said on October 5, 2018 at 3:45 pm

    beb, yeah, and then there were four stations after public teevee appeared on UHF. Remember UHF?

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