Someone else said it better.

I have been thinking about Jeffrey Epstein and the elites for a few days now, and am not really any closer to a coherent opinion on them. I mistrust my brain when my feelings get too involved, and I can’t be absolutely sure they’re entirely disengaged here.

So lucky for me I found a particular Twitter thread, which is long even for a Twitter thread, but gets very close to what I’ve been thinking. I’m-a let this nice lady lay out her problems with the MIT Media Lab, and just say: Seconded. (Along with a HT to Heather for finding it.)

And I’m glad someone brought up Anand Giridharadas, too. I have his book on reserve at the library.

So. Sunday afternoon and I am home alone. Alan is at work, after working Saturday, too, coordinating coverage of the UAW strike called for midnight. I have already cleaned a bathroom and am now in my gym clothes, trying to summon the motivation to actually go there. Weight work is the most difficult motivation for me, because I do it alone. Also, I’ve skipped enough lately that I know I’m going to be sore as hell tomorrow, but I really should go anyway. Maybe after some food prep, and a banana. And a little power nap. And another chapter of “The Sheltering Sky” and ooh look, gym’s closed.

Has anyone seen the new Linda Ronstadt movie? I was always a fan, if not a superfan, but seeing all these YouTubes that keep popping up is making me wonder if I made a big miscalculation, back in the day. Maybe it’s because my brain has been broken by autotune, but when I hear this, I think, goddamn, now that is a voice. Shoulda gone to more of her shows, but I saw her at the Hollywood Bowl, and once you’ve done that, Vets Memorial in Columbus looks pretty small-time.

And with that, I seem to have run out of things to say. I can’t put it off any longer: Gym. (After maybe a little snack.)

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56 responses to “Someone else said it better.”

  1. LAMary said on September 15, 2019 at 2:08 pm

    Absolutely agree on Love Has No Pride. The Bonnie Raitt version is good, but Linda owns it. I recommend Lo Siento Mi Vida on her Spanish language album too.

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  2. basset said on September 15, 2019 at 2:31 pm

    The hoop earrings and Daisy Dukes photo alone is enough to keep her permanently in the memory of most guys my age, at least in our culture.

    Excited about the PBS country music series that begins tonight. Saw the preview twice, most interesting.

    Noticed Nancy’s “Sheltering Sky” reference, did anyone listen to the King Crimson tune of the same name that I posted awhile back? Probably no connection except for the title, worth listening to anyway.

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  3. alex said on September 15, 2019 at 2:35 pm

    I watched Anand Giridharadas on Joy Reid on the link from the last thread and I think he’s being overly simplistic and harsh by putting Biden in the “Thanksgiving Uncle” category, supposedly the only other kind of racism besides “flagrant” according to him.

    Thanksgiving Uncles may not be card-carrying members of the Klan but they still go out of their way to be provocative. I don’t think Biden is that sort of person. Insensitive and clueless, yes. Unconsciously biased, yes. But not malevolent.

    I do agree with Giridharadas that we need a candidate who doesn’t come with Biden’s baggage, but I think it weakens the argument against Biden if you overstate it like Giridharadas does.

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  4. Deborah said on September 15, 2019 at 2:53 pm

    Thanks for that Sarah Taber link, I absolutely love her. I think it was David C who recommended her Farm to Taber podcast which I hadn’t know about before, which is fantastic.

    After seeing Once Upon a Time in Hollywood last night I’ve been reading up on it, and there’s a lot of it, that I just plain missed. Lots of homage to other directors and movies of course like typical Tarrantino, but lots more esoteric details about Manson’s family etc. Now I want to see it again.

    Doing laundry in the laundry room and it smells like someone is boiling their underpants down there. Really vile odor, I alerted the doorman and he said he’d get a maintenance guy to look into it. Gross.

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  5. Deborah said on September 15, 2019 at 3:17 pm

    Jakash, your last comment on the previous thread was a good one and I’ve now bookmarked that person’s Twitter. There are a number of hilarious tweets https://twitter.com/TranslateRealDT. Some people really know how to use Twitter to its advantage.

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  6. Deborah said on September 15, 2019 at 3:38 pm

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/09/donald-trump-not-well/597640/ Joe, you really need to read this, read it through to the end. The guy who wrote it is/was a Republican.

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  7. Jeff Borden said on September 15, 2019 at 4:01 pm

    Deborah,

    (Spoiler alert!) Tarantino has been rewriting history for several years now starting with (Spoiler alert!) Jewish GI’s machine-gunning Adolf Hitler and Joseph Goebbels in a Paris movie theater and (Spoiler alert!) a black former slave turned bounty hunter slaying scores of original Ku Klux Klan riders and blowing up the plantation of an incestuous Southern slaveholder. Personally, I have no problem with it, but I’m not exactly a cultured cineaste. There are some writers who have lambasted Tarantino for doing it. I found much to like about “Once Upon a Time,” not least the period cars and the tunes and the dialogue. I also thought Brad Pitt was fking awesome. The man is a movie star, no doubt.

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  8. Jeff Borden said on September 15, 2019 at 4:06 pm

    It’s likely too late to do anything about it, but as expected, more putrid bubbles of swamp gas are bubbling up from the background of Supreme Court Justice Beer Bong. Thanks, GOP!

    https://www.salon.com/2019/09/15/republicans-accused-of-stifling-sexual-misconduct-claim-against-brett-kavanaugh-during-confirmation/

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  9. Jakash said on September 15, 2019 at 4:13 pm

    Thanks for the shout-out referring to the previous thread, Deborah. When I saw Nancy’s new post, up 9 minutes after that comment of mine, I just figured “another one bites the dust,” but I wasn’t gonna whine about it, this time. Really, folks! 🙂

    “Once Upon a Time in Hollywood” is one I want to see, but haven’t gotten around to, yet.

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  10. Jeff Borden said on September 15, 2019 at 4:18 pm

    Jakash, I dug it. So did my wife. It’s a blast seeing some of his favorite actors in it, ie., Kurt Russell, Bruce Dern and the amazing stuntwoman/actor Zoe Bell among them.

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  11. Nancy F said on September 15, 2019 at 5:27 pm

    The Linda Ronstadt documentary is superb, both for the excellent archival footage and for Ronstadt’s current unflinching assessment of her life since the Parkinson’s diagnosis. Highly recommended.

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  12. Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on September 15, 2019 at 7:56 pm

    Or, Basset, there’s this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCJA-uuieyw

    Glad to be home in time to watch “Country Music” on PBS.

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  13. Suzanne said on September 15, 2019 at 8:10 pm

    I would be watching the Country Music documentary tonight, but our DISH box, which has been making terrible noises for the past week or so, decided to start to stink today and completely die. We called them last week so they are shipping another one, but this one is dead, deceased, expired.
    Oh, well. Netflix or a book.

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  14. Brian stouder said on September 15, 2019 at 8:13 pm

    So, I can’t do the link-thing on my phone (hopelessly behind the times, I am), but if you visit the Ft Wayne Journal-Gazette, there is an amazingly crazy news item, from one of Friday evening’s high school football games. In a nutshell, one of the local high schools has a new football stadium, and several students in the grandstands from the visiting school actually labored to dis-assemble the structure during the game(!!?!). On one hand, at least neither of the schools involved are FWCS, so there’s that. But that is a cold comfort. Aside from the incredible stupidity of the vandalism(?), apparently details and boasting went onto social media, so watch this space. Still, as a dad, all I can say is ‘What the he’ll??!

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  15. Brian stouder said on September 15, 2019 at 8:39 pm

    Make that “hell” (I typed that 4 times, before I achieved ‘hell’ rather than ‘he’ll. I genuinely don’t like internettin’ on the phone!)

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  16. alex said on September 15, 2019 at 9:20 pm

    Brian, haven’t seen you much lately. Man we got some weird stories around here lately. Not just sabotage of high school bleachers but the sheriff getting sued for allegedly roughing up a teenager while in civilian clothes and drunk, and 200 fetuses found in the home of our town’s last abortion doctor. (On that last one, I suspect new state laws made disposal so onerous that it was probably easier just to stash them in jars, but local media haven’t aired that side of the story yet and the fanatics are running wild with their own ghoulish narrative.)

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  17. Brian stouder said on September 15, 2019 at 9:42 pm

    Indeed; the sheriff story is A1A, I think, as the guy is elected and has brought derision and disrepute upon himself and his agency; and indeed, upon Allen County. Friend of NNC and former city council member Mark GiaQuinta used to say that Allen County Republicans would elect a giraffe, if one was on their R ballot….and GlAdieux may prove that theory (not to besmirch giraffes as ill-tempered drunks)

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  18. Suzanne said on September 15, 2019 at 9:58 pm

    Oh my yes! That Allen County Sheriff story is crazy! Although I did give the kid he shoved a lot of credit. He was a volunteer and was told to keep people out of that area unless they had an official pass and he demanded the sheriff show him a pass. At 17, I would have caved in a heartbeat.

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  19. basset said on September 15, 2019 at 11:22 pm

    JeffTMMO, that is indeed a memorable pic and I do remember it, but I’m too old now.

    “Country Music” was indeed very interesting, even saw someone who looked a lot like one of my uncles in an early photo.

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  20. alex said on September 15, 2019 at 11:50 pm

    “Country Music” is airing late here. It’s a school night and I needed to go to bed two hours ago but can’t pull myself away from it.

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  21. bb in DE said on September 16, 2019 at 7:20 am

    First Eddie Money, and now Ric Ocasek? Damn, it’s been a deadly week for singer-songwriters who helped pen the soundtrack of my youth (male division). Let’s hope the ladies who also fit that description don’t try to keep pace.

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  22. ROGirl said on September 16, 2019 at 8:21 am

    I listened to some Linda Ronstadt last week for the first time in about a million years and I want to see the movie now. But between Linda and Bonnie’s versions of Love has no Pride, I go with Bonnie hands down.

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  23. Mark P said on September 16, 2019 at 9:18 am

    Jeff Borden @8 — Trump tweeted that Kavanaugh should sue the NYT for libel for the story about his wayward dick. I thought what a splendid idea that is — truth is a defense for libel. I would love a public trial with everyone testifying under oath, and no republicans to shield him. This may be the first decent idea Trump has ever had.

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  24. Julie Robinson said on September 16, 2019 at 10:13 am

    “I mistrust my brain when my feelings get too involved”. And right there we have proof that the Proprietress is more qualified to be POTUS than the current occupant. He seems to operate entirely on the emotion of the moment.

    Regarding the local news: the festival volunteer was only 15, and I question why he was there alone. I’m betting ages will be raised for next year, yet I know they are perennially short of volunteers. And they found over 2000 remains at Ulrich Klopfer’s home, as if 200 wasn’t bad enough. The Right to Lifers will be raising money on that story for a decade.

    Haven’t been out yet today, has gas gone up yet?

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  25. 4dbirds said on September 16, 2019 at 11:19 am

    Please quit effing with the Candy Man shit. Don’t call him.

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  26. Little Bird said on September 16, 2019 at 12:02 pm

    check out the prohibited items for the Trump rally tomorrow in Rio Rancho…

    PROHIBITED ITEMS LIST

    • Aerosols
    • Alcoholic beverages
    • Backpacks, bags, roller bags, suitcases bags exceeding size restrictions (12”x14”x5”)
    • Balloons
    • Balls
    • Banners, signs, placards
    • Chairs
    • Coolers
    • Drones and other unmanned aircraft systems
    • Explosives of any kind (including fireworks)
    • Glass, thermal and metal containers
    • Laser lights and laser pointers
    • Mace and/or pepper spray
    • Noisemakers, such as air horns, whistles, drums, bullhorns, etc.
    • Packages
    • Poles, sticks and selfie sticks
    • Spray containers
    • Structures
    • Supports for signs/placards
    • Tripods
    • Umbrellas
    • Appliances i.e. toasters
    • And any other items that may pose a threat to the security of the event as determined by and at the discretion of the security screeners.

    Please note the very obvious missing item from the list.
    I copied this from a friends Facebook post he made yesterday.

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  27. Little Bird said on September 16, 2019 at 12:33 pm

    Oh, and Sean Spicer is one of the newest “stars” on Dancing With the Stars. Must be trying to stay “relevant”.
    Melissa McCarthy should get some fodder for SNL this season at least.

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  28. alex said on September 16, 2019 at 1:29 pm

    I know what’s conspicuously absent from the Prohibited Items List. Thing is, you’d have to have some balls to bring a gun to a Trump rally and the list expressly forbids people with balls.

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  29. JodiP said on September 16, 2019 at 3:08 pm

    I am sure many here know of the Studs Terkel book, “Working.” The latest Planet Money podcast has snippets of audio with Studs interviewing people. He had just put them in storage and they were unearthed after he passed away. Some people were tracked down 40 years later to talk about what happened in their careers. Fascinating stuff.

    Nancy, I also began lifting after not being able to for a few months. I started off a bit lighter, and will add as I gain strength. I hate being sore!

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  30. Suzanne said on September 16, 2019 at 3:56 pm

    Thread win for Alex @28!

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  31. basset said on September 16, 2019 at 5:24 pm

    No toasters? Hmmmm…. and I tend to miss the obvious, what are we not seeing on that list?

    Been lifting some myself, no weight loss but I have pulled in one belt notch and feel stronger.

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  32. Deborah said on September 16, 2019 at 5:47 pm

    I don’t understand how any Hispanic people could possibly be for Trump. He’s obviously going after them in his NM rally. Although one of our neighbors, a Hispanic guy is a Trump supporter. I don’t get it.
    On the other hand my husband thinks that neighbor is a redneck asshole. The neighbor’s son is the owner of the unit he lives in with his wife who has parkinsons. We hear him yelling at her from time to time. The son, owner of the unit his dad lives in has been an asshole to LB so maybe it runs in the family. The son is not a Trump supporter and says he can’t talk to his dad about politics. It’s still a mystery to me how any Hispanic can be for Trump after everything he’s said about them.

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  33. Little Bird said on September 16, 2019 at 6:39 pm

    There’s also a guy hanging around the Santa Fe plaza who wears trump hats and shirts (and a gun- we’re open carry here) harassing anyone he thinks is Hispanic. His last name is Montoya. And he’s been banned from at least one grocery store for harassment.
    They apparently can’t ban him from the plaza until he actually physically assaults someone. I don’t understand why it has to devolve to that stage.

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  34. alex said on September 16, 2019 at 7:44 pm

    Deborah, my dad could tell you stories about WWII Hungary. When the culturally isolated orthodox Jewish peasantry was shipped off in 1942, the culturally integrated middle- and upper-class Jewry was assured by the Hungarian government that Hitler was merely cleansing society of undesirables, nothing to worry about. Those who remained in Hungary in reliance on this promise ended up being annihilated in 1944-45 when the Germans had figured out who was racially impure among the middle and upper classes. They were taken like frogs in a pot of water.

    I hate to think that the election of Trump portends the sort of genocide that happened there, but the inhumanity being shown to asylum-seekers right now makes me think that it’s not such a big leap at all. As they say, those who don’t learn from history are doomed to repeat it, and what a bunch of ill-educated dunces we have in our electorate.

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  35. Suzanne said on September 16, 2019 at 9:03 pm

    Things I overheard today:
    1) “I am planning to move to Alabama because Indiana is getting too liberal. People don’t even believe it! Look how all the Christian book stores are closing up here. You just can’t talk about God anymore. It’s just getting so liberal.”
    2) “I didn’t like Colson Whitehead’s The Underground Railroad. I don’t like fiction mixed with history. Most of the white people in it were terrible. A few were good, but it just sounded like a story by an angry black man.” (Said by an older white woman)

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  36. Joe Kobiela said on September 16, 2019 at 9:26 pm

    Well the honky tonks in Texas are like a second home, where you tip your hats to the ladies in the rose of San Antone, I grew up on music that we call Western swing, it doesn’t matter who’s in Austin Bob Wills is still the king. Wow is country music a great documentary or what? The late Merle Haggard and Willie Nelson talking about Bob Wills along with Ray Benson from Asleep at the Wheel, Roseanne Cash and Carlene Carter talking about mother Maybell and how could you not Love Dolly. This is so good.
    Pilot Joe

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  37. basset said on September 16, 2019 at 10:26 pm

    Didn’t know till tonight that WOWO in the Fort had an Opry-type live show called the “Hoosier Hop” back in the day.

    Joe, Mrs. B and I saw the “Original Texas Playboys” at a Thirties dance hall, sprung floor and all, in Wichita a few years after he died. It was transcendent.

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  38. Deborah said on September 17, 2019 at 2:19 am

    What is a sprung floor?

    I’ve tried to watch the Country Music series but I keep falling asleep. It might be because I started a low carb diet, I’m trying to lose the 10 or so lbs I gained after my spine surgery a couple of years ago. I’m all about carbs, I love bread and pasta, not so much desserts. Thought I’d try this. Have any of you had success with it? I’m not sure if the ketosis has kicked in yet, but I haven’t been able to stay awake much past 8 lately.

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  39. Dexter Friend said on September 17, 2019 at 2:34 am

    Country music used to make me sick , and I quit a good job because all the hillbillies blasted 20 boomboxes in synch and it drove me nuts. This was music played for mass audiences, the same genre you hear on today’s FM stations. But…I always liked good C&W music, and when I got XM 15 years ago I became a fan of Outlaw Country XM 60, and I listen to that station frequently. Steve Earle, Todd Snider, John Prine, Robert Earl Keen, Delbert McClinton, Lyle Lovett. Ryan Bingham, Hayes Carll, John Hiatt, Ray Wylie Hubbard… my fave ladies are Emmylou Harris, Alison Krauss, and Lucinda Williams. Helluva lot more but you get my drift. ~ Tomorrow I have a birthday than ends in a zero…70. Best way I heard it explained was from Ron Bennington on his XM show: he is just 60 and said he is already “circling around the drain”. There was no time for any PBS show , it was Cleveland at New York Jets on MNF. Also, the absolutely wacky “Lodge 49” on AMC Network. It stars Wyatt Russell, son of Goldie and Kurt. It’s “John from Cincinnati” on steroids. Wanna see something really weird? YouTube, just click Biden and Corn Pop. See, Biden visited the site of a job where he lifeguarded at a pool, where everyone was Black except for one other guy, and Biden ordered a guy off a diving board, and the straight razors and chains came out, and…. (really, I could never make this shit up!). For anyone from DeKalb County, Indiana to West Lafayette, you will recognize the name Chuck Bavis, the 7′ basketball star for the Garrett Railroaders and Purdue Boilermakers. He was good…he held down Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (then Lew Alcindor) in the ’68 NCAAs then in a rematch in 1969 was out with a busted collar bone…Bavis was 71 years old.

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  40. Joe Kobiela said on September 17, 2019 at 7:15 am

    When Chuck played for Garrett they moved 4 games to the coliseum in Fort Wayne drawing 9,000 fans, Garrett built a new gym in 1968 that held almost 5,000 the town only had roughly 5,000 people. Deborah carbs equals energy your body thinks it starving and slowing your metabolism, better to eat regular and exercise, burn more calories than you take in, I bet your high rise has a gym. A sprung floor absorbs shock giving it a softer feel and a little bounce.
    Pilot Joe

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  41. basset said on September 17, 2019 at 7:35 am

    I graduated from Loogootee down in southwestern Indiana, gym holds close to 4600 and there were just over 600 students when I was there, about half that now… town population is around 2700. Never went to a game there.

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  42. Connie said on September 17, 2019 at 8:00 am

    Call out to Fort Wayne’s WOWO on last night’s Country Music episode. And to WLS’ Barn Dance, which always surprises me, as WLS was the top 40 station of my younger years. Yours too if you lived within 400 or so miles of Chicago.

    Remember Time Life series? You signed up to receive one book or record in the series a month. Many moons ago we got the country music album series. These first two episodes reminded of those, our favorites were Jimmy Rodgers, Bob Wills, and Hank Williams. We probably still have those in a box in the basement. We discovered Woody Nelson around the same time.

    Marty Stuart is one of the commentators, and I thought he looked so old I looked him up, only to discover he is a couple of years younger than I. He had so much make up on it made his silver hair look purple. Basic color theory of complementaries.

    Time to go dig out my Asleep At the Wheel CDs.

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  43. Deborah said on September 17, 2019 at 8:34 am

    Joe, A low carb Keto diet is supposed to make your body burn your own stored fat instead of carbs for energy. You have to do it cautiously, which I think I’m doing. I have plenty of energy during the day but when 8pm roles around I can barely keep my eyes open. I walk 10,000 steps a day for exercise, for me that’s 3.8 to 4.2 miles. I don’t know why the mileage varies so much. I used to walk 6 or 7 miles a day but since my spine problem I have permanent nerve damage in my left foot and can’t walk as much. I don’t have full on drop foot like I did before the surgery but it never got completely back to normal. I am also trying intermittent fasting, where I do all of my eating within an 8 hour period, so that I’m fasting for 16 hours in between. Tomorrow is my regular physical, so I’ll be checking this all out with my Dr. if she says it’s not a good idea I’ll stop.

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  44. Dave said on September 17, 2019 at 10:07 am

    I am enjoying the first couple of Country Music episodes. I didn’t realize just how big a star Jimmy Rogers was. I knew he had TB and didn’t live long but did not know how he pushed himself, refusing to live out his last days in a sanitarium. My mother-in-law’s grandfather had TB about that same time and all my mother-in-law could remember of him was waving at him through a window at the sanitarium, which was located in Worthington.

    It also surprises me how a lot of these folks never really went to school, most of the most successful ones are prodigies and some are taking up the family business, watch 13 year old Marty Stuart play the mandolin with Lester Flatt or 6 year old Ricky Skaggs play with Bill Monroe, easy to find on YouTube. If Willie Nelson was promoting concerts at the age of 14, as he says, he wasn’t paying a lot of attention to school. These folks were driven by music. One wonders how many fell by the wayside.

    I knew about WOWO, a fellow I knew was so pleased when he found a video of the Hoosier Hilltoppers, a group he’d never seen but had been told about all his life by his parents.

    I wonder why Marty Stuart wears those scarves covering his neck.

    I believe New Castle, IN, has the largest high school gym in the country.

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  45. Joe Kobiela said on September 17, 2019 at 10:39 am

    Deborah,
    Good idea on checking with the DR, my brother in law and his wife are both docs and they lean away from the low carb diets, better to eat healthy and in moderation and graze healthy through out the day, let us know how it goes.
    Dexter my wife and I saw Elizabeth Cook in a small venue in fort Wayne with about 50 people she played acustic and was amazing.
    Pilot Joe

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  46. Connie said on September 17, 2019 at 10:52 am

    According to a study earlier this year the largest HS gym in Indiana is now Seymour. https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/2019/03/08/indianas-largest-high-school-basektball-gym-changes-after-seating-count/3087204002/
    I went to two basketball games and one Up With People performance there.

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  47. MarkH said on September 17, 2019 at 11:05 am

    Connie —

    You ever get a three day old lunch served with a returned library book?

    https://www.clickondetroit.com/inside-edition/librarian-shares-photo-of-entire-taco-pressed-between-pages-of-a-returned-book

    This has gone viral, but had to share here.

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  48. Connie said on September 17, 2019 at 11:08 am

    One of the theaters at the Kentucky Center for the Arts is a 400 seater, and was were we attended many of the concerts in the Lonesome Pine Series, which was a series, “non mainstream American Music.” Search
    Lonesome Pine on You Tube. So I have seen Emmy Lou Harris and Ray Benson – with Johnny Gimble. And more that I don’t remember. (Los lobos, Buddy Guy, Dirty Dozen Brass Band, Rockapella and way too many Irish soloists.)
    Johnny Gimble was fiddler for the Texas Playboys, and later famous in his own right. I think he is in that Willie Nelson movie, Honeysuckle Rose.
    So, Johnny Gimble, what ya been doing?
    I been to town.
    What did you do there?
    Just fiddling around.

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  49. Connie said on September 17, 2019 at 11:12 am

    The best I can do in that vein is one individually wrapped cheese slice. There has been a lot of opposition to the recent meme about food for bookmarks, started by Chex Mix and made far worse by Oreo. Oh, I see the articla to which you linked shows those. And also millions of pieces of paper ephemera left for bookmarks; bills, cards, photos, recipes, clippings, and more.

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  50. MarkH said on September 17, 2019 at 11:33 am

    I spent my entire post-college radio career at two central Ohio country radio stations, WHOK (now WXMG) in Lancaster, and at WMNI in Columbus, 1978-80. When Bill Mnich bought the Southern Hotel in the late ’60s, he set up the AM and FM stations on the top floor. Its theater was run down, but fancying himself an impresario, he used it to start his own live country music show Saturday nights, called the Country Cavalcade. Broadcast on the AM station, it featured some decent regional talent. The audience was sparse except when the occasional nationally known artists showed up. Hank Thompson comes to mind and put on a great show. Clearly not up to the standards set by the more well-known shows on WOWO or the Wheeling Jamboree.

    The real treat was after the show when patrons would retreat to the Southern Hotel bar with its, um, remarkable collection of characters. Nancy might recall a memorable Saturday night there with me and our friend, Becky, in ’79, I believe.

    I have not seen it, but the renovation of the Southern Hotel some years back is said to be pretty spectacular.

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  51. Suzanne said on September 17, 2019 at 11:42 am

    Cokie Roberts has died
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/celebrities/2019/09/17/cokie-roberts-dead-75-breast-cancer-complications-abc-news/2350908001/

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  52. Sherri said on September 17, 2019 at 1:29 pm

    It’s really nice seeing all the NPR and ABC female journalists talking about what a great supportive mentor Cokie Roberts was.

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  53. Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on September 17, 2019 at 1:40 pm

    We also lost a local journalistic voice in central Ohio; he was magnificent on radio as well as in print.

    https://www.dispatch.com/entertainmentlife/20190916/grumpy-gourmet-doral-chenoweth-longtime-dispatch-restaurant-critic-dies-at-98

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  54. David C. said on September 17, 2019 at 6:07 pm

    The grange hall my grandparents belonged to had a sprung dance floor. It was so cool. It was on the second floor of the building. It’s suspended from the walls by steel rods. It’s springy enough than my two brothers and I could get it bouncing pretty well and we had to all be under ten years old at the time.

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  55. beb said on September 17, 2019 at 8:09 pm

    After Cokie Roberts trashed the Clinton (they trashed the place and i was no even theirs or words go that effect) I was done with her.

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  56. Sherri said on September 17, 2019 at 8:39 pm

    beb, I think that was Sally Quinn, not Cokie.

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