I give up.

I thought we might have a day to discuss Melania’s feelings about Christmas decorations before something else barreled into the center ring, but apparently we’re to be denied even this.

POTUS and FLOTUS have The Bug. The weekend awaits. See you on the other side. Discuss.

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83 responses to “I give up.”

  1. Dorothy said on October 2, 2020 at 5:35 am

    I saw the news about Hope Hicks at about 9 PM last night, just before Maddow came on. I have to admit I did not really give it much thought that 45 and the Christmas hater would have it. But oh brother – what news to wake up to!

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  2. ROGirl said on October 2, 2020 at 5:49 am

    Karma usually takes longer to play out.

    In some other news from yesterday, Katie Porter and her whiteboard took on a drug company ceo.


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  3. David C said on October 2, 2020 at 6:12 am

    Well, I hope this ends the Melania as hostage BS. Shave her head. She’s a horizontal collaborator.

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  4. Peter said on October 2, 2020 at 6:23 am

    Oh, this is bad. I can’t help but think that he turns into a martyr, Pence gets the sympathy vote, and we have a new Calvin Coolidge on our hands….

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  5. alex said on October 2, 2020 at 6:29 am

    Much as I want to savor the schadenfreude, I can’t help but suspect that this is a scheme to let Trump exit a race he knows he’s going to lose badly. Maybe they think they can postpone the election. Or maybe they think a Pence/Haley ticket would be more competitive, even at the eleventh hour. It all remains to be seen.

    In any case, I hope they find a way to prevent that sonofabitch from lying in state if he really does have COVID.

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  6. Suzanne said on October 2, 2020 at 7:10 am

    I am extremely skeptical that any of them have it. Trump bombed so badly in the debate that even my 85 year old mother who voted for him in 2016 and thinks Melania is wonderful was appalled at his behavior. On top of that, Trump’s former campaign manager beats his wife, brandishes a gun, and threatens the cops. On top of that, this tape appears with Melania the sweet stating how bothered she is by having to do f***ing Christmas.
    So, the easy out is “We’re sick!” Keeps them under wraps until the GOP leadership can figure out how to spin this, makes attacks less likely (how can you go after sick people, you swine!), and god knows what else is going on behind the scenes.
    In short, until proven otherwise, I am not buying it.

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  7. Suzanne said on October 2, 2020 at 7:18 am

    Oh, and I forgot Kimberly Guilfoyle being credible accused of sexually harassing her assistant, offering hush money to cover it up, attempting character assassination to discredit assistant.

    Also, I am here to confess that I used to fake sick, too, when I didn’t want to do stuff.

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  8. alex said on October 2, 2020 at 8:05 am

    Guess this is our October Surprise. A face-saving stunt. Bow out instead of getting drummed out. So much winning. So much winning.

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  9. alex said on October 2, 2020 at 8:12 am

    Guess this is our October Surprise. A face-saving stunt. Bow out rather than getting drummed out. So much winning. So much winning.

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  10. alex said on October 2, 2020 at 8:14 am

    WTF? My #8 disappeared so I tried to re-create it in #9. My short-term recall ain’t bad for a soon-to-be 59-year-old, eh?

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  11. Deborah said on October 2, 2020 at 8:25 am

    My initial reaction in the wee hours was that it was a ploy, but I think not now. The right wing is freaking out about how libs are mocking Trump about not being able to protect the country much less himself, that libs should be sending thoughts and prayers for someone in harm’s way, to that I say BS, just watch the video of Trump in 2016 when he mercilessly mocked Hillary when she had the flu. I for one hope Trump has to be ventilated like Boris Johnson did. I don’t want him to die, I just want him to have to feel what 200,000+ had to face, maybe he’ll learn some humanity. PJ will probably come on here and concern troll me for saying that.

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  12. jcburns said on October 2, 2020 at 8:31 am

    Alex and friends, your web browser can (and does!) play tricks on you by caching pages and content. If you think “my post has disappeared!!” chances are very very good that it hasn’t. Just close your browser and take a cleansing breath or two.

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  13. Deborah said on October 2, 2020 at 9:02 am

    Here’s a link to the video of Trump mocking Hillary about having the flu https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gT-LfVlTE94 no need to feel sorry for this asshole. Obviously I know Covid can be much worse than the flu but this just goes to show you, along with many (many) more examples of Trump’s inhumanity.

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  14. Julie Robinson said on October 2, 2020 at 9:02 am

    Last night when we learned about Hope Hicks, we had a sidebar about maybe wishing the same thing on the orange clown. Then, sleeping badly, at 3 am I learned our wishes had come true. Also read about Melania’s tape and Kimberly Guilfoyle’s Fox exit, and had a hard time falling back asleep. The Guilfoyle stuff is disgusting and crude; obviously she’s the perfect partner for Don Jr. And the RNC is considering her to head the organization? Good God.

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  15. Jeff Borden said on October 2, 2020 at 9:29 am

    A *presidency built on a mountain of lies results in at least half the country thinking this may well be a hoax. He’s getting killed in the polls. His appalling debate performance shook the GOP. His inability to decry white supremacists plays poorly to all but hardcore racists.

    One way out is to resign. He’d avoid the embarrassment of a blowout loss, Pence pardons him and the rest of the crooks, etc.

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  16. St Bitch said on October 2, 2020 at 9:40 am

    Karma’s a bitch!

    I’ve been wondering how Democrats were going to be blamed for this…yet shouldn’t be surprised about all the counter-conspiracy theories (considering the schizo White House messaging), none of which make as much sense as a Covid-denier becoming infected.

    Terrified as I am by this virus, I’m hoping that fallout will result in tighter prevention measures here in Iowa.

    In the meantime, I’m working hard to suppress the cackling schadenfreude devil that does nothing to ease the pressure.

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  17. Suzanne said on October 2, 2020 at 9:42 am

    A quick check of social media-Twitter & Facebook- shows that there are a lot of people out there who think the COVID diagnosis is a ploy by Trump to distract. The boy who called wolf come to life.
    Not a lot of sympathy from what I am seeing. NPR guest said trending #1 onTwitter in Germany is #Schadenfreude

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  18. Mark P said on October 2, 2020 at 9:58 am

    I guess Trump will be hoaxing up a lot of phlegm.

    I’m holding off on the schadenfreude until we see what his symptoms are.

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  19. Heather said on October 2, 2020 at 10:06 am

    I don’t want him to die of Covid–I want him to rot in prison and die there.

    Another theory I saw is that this is a ploy to hide Trump’s cognitive decline. Either way, I don’t know that it will help him–but I am preparing for the “how dare you criticize our president when he is fighting for his life” takes. This is a guy who knowingly exposed hundreds of people to the virus. They knew Hicks was positive and he still went to a fundraiser. Also, the Trump family refused to wear masks at the debate even though Ohio requires masks inside.

    I just hope he didn’t infect Biden.

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  20. Suzanne said on October 2, 2020 at 10:06 am

    Also, this dropped:

    “Former national security adviser H.R. McMaster said Thursday that President Donald Trump is “aiding and abetting” Russian President Vladimir Putin’s efforts to sow doubt about the American electoral system.”

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  21. Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on October 2, 2020 at 10:07 am

    As I’m sure Laura & David have already heard:


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  22. Bitter Scribe said on October 2, 2020 at 12:22 pm

    The way Trump has carried on throughout the pandemic, I’m frankly surprised it took him this long to get sick.

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  23. Dorothy said on October 2, 2020 at 12:51 pm

    Late in yesterday’s thread somehow IVF came up. This is a familiar topic with my family. In July my daughter-in-law had eggs retrieved (all of which were frozen), and coming up later this month they are transferring the first fertilized egg. They have several. It’s a very tough thing to go through and certainly not for sissies. Please send positive vibes our way that this produces a baby in 9 months or so. They had their daughter through IUI. Other attempts at IUI resulted in one miscarriage and several unsuccessful results. As someone who got pregnant very easily (two live births, two miscarriages), this has introduced to me a whole new vocabulary and appreciation for what infertile couples go through.

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  24. Sherri said on October 2, 2020 at 1:31 pm

    Dorothy, I feel for your daughter. I did seven round of IUI (which resulted in my daughter), then two years later did three rounds of IUI and two rounds of IVF, the last of which resulted in a positive pregnancy test but not a viable pregnancy.

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  25. Sherri said on October 2, 2020 at 1:35 pm

    We probably still wouldn’t know that trump had tested positive if not for the fact that a reporter broke the story that Hope Hicks tested positive. The WH didn’t announce it.

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  26. Jim said on October 2, 2020 at 1:54 pm

    He also did not cancel campaign events Wednesday nor was the Biden campaign informed when the President tested positive.


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  27. Icarus said on October 2, 2020 at 2:08 pm

    We used Devil Science…I mean IVF as well. Lucky we are in a blue state and had good insurance so most of it was paid through insurance.

    I think some catholics/christians are quiet on this when it bring a baby to a straight couple but cannot bare the thought that it allows unmarried women or gay couples to have children too.

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  28. Jim said on October 2, 2020 at 2:09 pm


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  29. Sherri said on October 2, 2020 at 2:20 pm

    When was the president* positive, and when did he know it?


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  30. LAMary said on October 2, 2020 at 2:37 pm

    We decided to try getting pregnant when I was 36. I had the IUD removed and I got pregnant in three months. That kid is now 30. Three years later I got pregnant again, by surprise, and had a kid when I was 41. One friend who was going through IVF stopped speaking to me
    My mom had me when she was 1 month shy of 44 so I think it runs in the family.

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  31. Deborah said on October 2, 2020 at 3:05 pm

    I’m back from getting my real ID. I had no problems with documents and I must say it was a piece of cake. Except that we had to drive 10 miles away when there’s a location within walking distance that’s closed during Covid, the system they had set up was amazingly efficient. Since we’re senior citizens even though there was a long line we got right in. Everyone was kind and helpful, there was no barking instructions like TSA does. We were very impressed and told everyone working there that they were fantastic.

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  32. Deborah said on October 2, 2020 at 4:36 pm

    My husband is at Uncle J’s and it’s a horrific scene. Uncle J is in terrible pain, doesn’t know what is going on, keeps trying to get out of bed. They are giving him morphine for the pain and that mercifully knocks him out. When the morphine wears off he howls in pain. They have a hospital bed for him and they have the sides up to help keep him from climbing out. Someone is always by his bedside to try to calm him down and keep him safe. It’s a horrendous situation. They have 4 cargivers there at all times now and a registered nurse comes in and out. His having Alzheimer’s and not understanding his situation has made this exponentially worse. He doesn’t ever want to be in an institution, he made that very clear earlier on in his disease and they’re doing everything they can to honor that. So sad.

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  33. Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on October 2, 2020 at 4:47 pm

    This is a real blow to the Cleveland Clinic, which let itself get played by the Current Occupant:


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  34. Sherri said on October 2, 2020 at 4:51 pm



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  35. Deborah said on October 2, 2020 at 5:20 pm

    I just read that Trump is headed for Walter Reed, holy cow, this could be serious.

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  36. Scout said on October 2, 2020 at 5:50 pm

    That escalated quickly. He’s positive, but asymptomatic, then he’s got mild symptoms, then he’s got moderate symptoms, now he’s being flown to Walter Reed for several days. Maybe he really is sick.

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  37. Sherri said on October 2, 2020 at 6:29 pm

    You left out the treated with an experimental cocktail part.

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  38. Sherri said on October 2, 2020 at 6:56 pm

    I’m such a bad person. I keep thinking “I hope that little shit Stephen Miller gets it.”

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  39. Dave said on October 2, 2020 at 7:02 pm

    Sherri, I keep thinking the same thing about Jared.

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  40. Suzanne said on October 2, 2020 at 8:49 pm

    Does it seem odd to anyone but me that, to my knowledge, there has been no public statement by any official medical person/people about the president’s condition and apparently, no one contacted the Gang of Eight or anyone who is in the line of succession except Pence.

    These things make me wonder…

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  41. Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on October 2, 2020 at 8:59 pm

    I’m two inches taller than the president, and I weigh 240 pounds. There is no way he’s at 244. 260, maybe 270.

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  42. LAMary said on October 2, 2020 at 9:49 pm

    In one week we learned the pres didn’t pay taxes most of the las two decades and when he did is was less than most people pay. We saw him be over the top obnoxious and disgusting in a debate, and now he has covid. Definitely way too much winning in one week.

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  43. Suzanne said on October 2, 2020 at 9:58 pm

    Don’t forget that the week also brought us the knowledge of the First Lady referring to the sacred celebration of our Lord’s birth as “F***ing Christmas”

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  44. Sherri said on October 2, 2020 at 10:45 pm

    KellyAnne Conway has tested positive, as she confirms what her teenage daughter said on Tiktok earlier today.

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  45. Dexter Friend said on October 3, 2020 at 1:19 am

    I guessed the current Trump is 320 pounds. If he loses his desire and ability to eat, he’ll lose about 40 pounds. Daughter Lori lost around 30 pounds after not being able to eat for about ten days. She only had some broth and a few crackers. Now she’s home and eating normally.
    I honestly cannot pray or send positive thoughts to this orange weirdo. I send just the opposite. Nixon, Reagan…welcome Trump to the club of worst presidents since the JFK assassination. George Bush43 will hold the door open for you.

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  46. David C said on October 3, 2020 at 6:20 am

    Dr. Ronny says the Prez is “asymptotic” and has no “comorbities”. Dr. Ronny must be taking some of his own pills.


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  47. Suzanne said on October 3, 2020 at 7:47 am

    I am still very skeptical. I saw the video of Trump walking briskly to the helicopter to go to the hospital, dressed in a suit & tie, looking no sicker than I am right now, (and I am not sick), waving to the onlookers, probably smiling behind his mask.
    I still will have to be convinced that this isn’t an episode of President Trump: the Reality Show, episode title Distraction.

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  48. Suzanne said on October 3, 2020 at 8:13 am

    Pretty accurate description of MAGAs


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  49. Deborah said on October 3, 2020 at 10:09 am

    I disagree Suzanne, at first I thought it could be a distraction but now I think not. Trump has been trying to keep Covid out of the news for months, now that’s impossible. This whole scenario makes him look even more irresponsible and unable to protect us, it’s obvious he can’t even protect himself. The fact that he’s got to be in the hospital must be anathema for him. I thought he looked bad in the short video they made of him addressing the country about his health situation, it was uncommonly brief, he usually likes to shoot his mouth off. If it’s true that he’s a germophobe he must be terrified. Summoning the strength to walk to the helicopter and then off of it probably took all of his acting skills, he was dressed in a suit and tie and his hair was coifed so that took an effort by him and his handlers. Why did they transport him by air? We probably won’t see anymore photos of him for a while.

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  50. susan said on October 3, 2020 at 10:38 am

    Deborah, I thought that looked like a hostage video. He stood stiff, was not animated, did not spew his usual bombast, sounded like he was reciting something written by staff, was uncharacteristically brief. He also looked pale, but that’s probably because he didn’t have on his pancake.

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  51. susan said on October 3, 2020 at 10:40 am

    I’m surprised he wasn’t holding a newspaper with the October 2 date visible and the day’s headline.

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  52. Jeff Borden said on October 3, 2020 at 11:06 am

    Ironic the big event to unveil Justice Handmaiden to the world last Saturday in the Rose Garden turns out to be a super spreader event. Photos of the event show attendants sitting closely together with few masks in evidence. What a stellar start to a SCOTUS career that will see her destroy the ACA and overturn Roe.

    Meanwhile, it appears the Democratic Senate candidate in North Carolina, who had a good chance of ousting the abominable Thom Tills and helping swing the Senate to the Democrats, is caught up in a sex texting scandal. Well played, asshole, well played. If Moscow Mitch McTreason retains his power through a GOP majority, Biden will be checkmated in everything he tries to do.

    Could we just perform a mercy killing on 2020 now? Please?

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  53. Deborah said on October 3, 2020 at 11:48 am

    Chris Christy tests positive. Can you imagine how many co-morbidities he probably has?

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  54. Deborah said on October 3, 2020 at 11:58 am

    What is the matter with powerful men? What makes them think they can get away with sexual exploits? That they even leave text messages to be found? Bad enough that they cheat on their wives etc, but then to be so stupid about it. Boggles my mind.

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  55. Sherri said on October 3, 2020 at 12:39 pm

    Now we’re finding out that trump had already been treated with the antibody cocktail on Thursday before anybody outside knew even that Hope Hicks had tested positive. From today’s press conference with trump’s doctor, it seems apparent that he tested positive on Wednesday, and kept traveling, to a rally and to a fundraiser, until he started becoming symptomatic to the point they couldn’t hide it.

    And then there’s the anonymous source on background to the pool reporters, saying trump’s vitals are concerning, there’s not yet a clear path to recovery, and the next 48 hours are important.

    Is Al Haig in charge?

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  56. Jeff Borden said on October 3, 2020 at 12:45 pm


    This is why I –a 69-year-old white male– wants women to start playing a much larger role in our nation. I look with envy at the dynamic young women running New Zealand, Finland and Scotland along with my favorite world leader, Angela Merkel of Germany, and wish we had similar sensible, progressive leadership. The doddering old white men dominating our politics –tRump, McConnell, Graham, Grassley, Imhofe, Cornyn– make me ill. As The Who famously sang, “Why don’t you just fade away. . .”

    If Cal Cunningham loses in N.C. because of this and McConnell maintains his stranglehold on our country, I may personally drive down there and punch him in the face. Jesus, he’s stupid.

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  57. LAMary said on October 3, 2020 at 1:07 pm

    The doctor at that stupid press conference not only was evasive about everything, he said the pres was “slightly oveweight.” So much ducking and weaving and deceptive timeline bullshit.
    Anyway, Chris Christie has the little known but deadly comorbidity of being from New Jersey. He looks like he’s from NJ, sounds like it, acts like it. You may recall that years ago, in this forum, I said he looks like my sister in law, and if you put him in a plus sized bedazzled tunic they would be identical.

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  58. David C said on October 3, 2020 at 1:25 pm

    Probably Erik Prince, Sherri. Worse luck.

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  59. beb said on October 3, 2020 at 1:37 pm

    LAMary – Your New Jersay sister-in-law is bald like Christie?

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  60. Heather said on October 3, 2020 at 2:19 pm

    Media reporting that Trump was diagnosed Wednesday morning and still went to fundraising events, and they didn’t bother to inform the Biden campaign. They deliberately endangered the lives of hundreds if not thousands of people. They need to be removed immediately for our national security.

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  61. Jakash said on October 3, 2020 at 4:06 pm

    If My Pants gets his chance:


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  62. Deborah said on October 3, 2020 at 4:47 pm

    Except for the time I was out walking for exercise and doing errands I’ve been on Twitter all day. I’m convinced if I’m not I’ll miss some earth shattering tweet. Talk about OCD, I’m it these days.

    Beb, I don’t think Chris Christie is bald, or he has a pretty convincing toupee.

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  63. Sherri said on October 3, 2020 at 4:53 pm

    As someone on Twitter said, the shitshow faction of the administration is fighting with the clusterfuck faction.

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  64. LAMary said on October 3, 2020 at 6:08 pm

    I’m on board with the Christie is not bald idea.

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  65. Deborah said on October 3, 2020 at 6:10 pm

    I’m trying to pull myself away, made myself something to eat finally after having nothing all day. When I’m home alone I don’t eat much, have always been that way. I’ve finally convinced myself that things will play out eventually, it’s not necessary to know every fricking second of the day what is going on. If Trump’s condition isn’t being divulged accurately or honestly, we’ll eventually find out. Right?

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  66. Dorothy said on October 3, 2020 at 6:31 pm

    If I stayed plugged into the news all day, I’d end up with a stroke or a heart attack, guaranteed. I’ve been knitting a sweater for my daughter since late July, and this morning I finished up the second sleeve and now I’m doing the neck band. Next will be the buttonhole bands. Two days ago I revisited “Dead to Me” on Netflix. I thought we’d finished season 1 but we only saw 6 episodes. So I finished up the last four and today I caught season 2, episode 1. And the Great British Baking show debuted a new season, filmed in 2020, last week also on Netflix. There are an awful lot of shows to distract me from the news and I’m grateful for that.

    If anyone is into podcasts, my daughter was a copy editor on the Post’s latest release, ‘Canary.” It’s already up to #18 on Apple’s Podcast Chart; it was just released on Thursday. It’s a tough subject and not easy to listen to, but I think it’s very well done.

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  67. Icarus said on October 3, 2020 at 7:02 pm

    Deborah @ 64

    Politics aside, I suspect any sitting president in a situation that potentially incapacitated them makes America vulnerable, so information is not going to be forthcoming. See FDR.

    Even for a president such as this one.

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  68. LAMary said on October 3, 2020 at 8:22 pm

    That’s true,Icarus but when you get information that doesn’t work with other information you have about the situation, some part of that communication chain needs to get their shit together. The doctor who was clearly lying about the time line and the oxygen did nothing to either protect the presidency or inform the public. He just confused people and made himself look like a bad liar.

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  69. Sherri said on October 3, 2020 at 10:48 pm

    Since it looks like her announcement may have been the superspreader event, henceforth she shall be known as Amy Corona Barrett.

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  70. jcburns said on October 3, 2020 at 11:29 pm

    Or…Rona Barrett for short? (Credit: some wag on the internet.)

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  71. Peter said on October 4, 2020 at 1:26 am

    Re: the Amy Comey Barrett coming out party being a super spreader event: and to think the sports pundits were saying that the Fighting Irish wouldn’t make an impact this fall!

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  72. Dexter Friend said on October 4, 2020 at 2:54 am

    I timed it perfectly to watch “Comey Rule” on Showtime. The casting and makeup are astounding, except trying to make Jeff Daniels 6’8″ and making us fall into believing he is Jim Comey was hard to do.
    They surely got Trump right. They played up the whole golden showers/Moscow angle and portrayed Trump as the horrid human he is, in many ways. When niece Mary Trump and many others say Trump is only for Trump, this docu-drama makes you believe it. It’s based on Comey’s book. Highly recommended.

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  73. Deborah said on October 4, 2020 at 8:23 am

    I’ve seen the current SCOTUS nominee referred to as “Contagious ACB” also “Amy Coney Island” because it’s all just a ridiculous carnival. Do you think she’s humiliated by the horrendous super spreader event in her honor?

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  74. ROGirl said on October 4, 2020 at 8:30 am

    How fitting that the campaign to force the vote on the new supreme court justice before the election started with a superspreader event at the WH that is threatening the life of the president and has infected a shitload of his enablers.

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  75. Sherri said on October 4, 2020 at 2:19 pm

    No joke, if they’re giving trump dexamethasone, the 25th amendment should be invoked. That shit fucks with you. It was part of the regimen with my IVF attempts, and it was awful, so much so that when my doctor was talking with me about whether I would do a third round, he offered to do a round without it.

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  76. Deborah said on October 4, 2020 at 4:01 pm

    Claudia Conway now has Covid. That poor kid.

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  77. LAMary said on October 4, 2020 at 4:18 pm

    After a cold and a cough wasn’t going away my doctor gave me something that really messed with my head. I don’t remember what it was but it took a while for that feeling to wear off after I completed the prescription.

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  78. Deborah said on October 4, 2020 at 4:28 pm

    That report about Claudia Conway could be premature, she and her dad got tested but haven’t yet gotten the results. But reports are all over the map so who knows. And reports on Trump’s current condition are even more confusing, it sounds serious though. I’m reading that Jared is taking over the whitehouse telling Pence what to do. Now I’ve got to quit reading again. I understand season 6 of Schitt’s Creek is on Netflix.

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  79. Jeff Borden said on October 4, 2020 at 4:56 pm

    Moscow Mitch isn’t gonna let a pandemic prevent him from installing Justice Handmaiden. He and the Senate are ignoring everything else — especially another aid package for our battered and very sick nation. Fucking pricks.

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  80. Jim said on October 4, 2020 at 5:18 pm

    This made me happy: https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/04/us/proud-boys-twitter-hashtag-gay-men-trnd/index.html

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  81. LAMary said on October 4, 2020 at 7:42 pm

    I’ve seen enough doctors on television saying that the antibody treatment, the remdesivir, and the steroid treatment would not be happening if the pres only had a mild case. I’m so sick of all of this shit. I listened to Jason Miller, some toady who works on the campaign, refuse to give anything resembling a straight answer to some fairly basic yes or no questions. He did manage to criticize Biden somehow with his word salad non answers.

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  82. beb said on October 4, 2020 at 8:12 pm

    Kevin Drum takes dexamethasone as part of his cancer treatment. From time to time he takes about it, calls it the “Evil Dex.”

    Wasn’t Twitter threatening to ban people who expressed a hope that Trump would die? So much for free speech (I know, private Co, blah blah blah. but there is a differencec between hoping something bad happening and organizing a march on Kenosha….

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  83. basset said on October 4, 2020 at 9:09 pm

    Next time I’m sick with anything at all I’m gonna have myself driven around the block wearing a mask and waving at the neighbors.

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