Some broad has a column about Indiana in the Washington Post. “What you need to know,” or something. It’s twinned with a piece by some guy writing the same thing about North Carolina. They both say their states are a mass of contradictions. Meh. I think they need to get better writers.
But this is it, Indiana — an extraordinary primary in this year of years, so drink it up. I was on the phone with Mark the Shark last week (I was on the phone with a few Hoosiers in the past week; see above), and he was reminiscing about the time he snuck out of lunch at Bishop Luers to see Robert Kennedy’s car drive past, the last time the Indiana primary mattered. Mark the Shark wears hearing aids now. The next time this happens, you could be dead. Drink. It. Up.
Then enjoy the familiar feeling of the day after, when your ardent lover of the past few weeks has moved on and now ignores your number on the caller ID. “Indiana who?” he or she will say, if you get through. “Oh yeah — one of those ‘I’ states.” Like …oh, Iowa.
During my chat with Paul Helmke, we talked about his famous Theory of Horizontal Stateitude, which I believe we’ve discussed here before. To wit: Ohio, Indiana and Illinois are three states divided the wrong way. The upper third of each has more in common with one another than the rest of their own territory, ditto the central and southernmost thirds. The north of each is blue-collar and ethnic (Cleveland, Gary, Chicago), the central a frontier of the Mid-Atlantic states (Columbus, Indianapolis, Springfield, the south a remnant of the Dixie/Appalachia that lies below. It’s an interesting theory, imperfect in parts, but sound as a whole. He reminded me of Indiana’s role in the 1920s-era KKK, which many people see as evidence of a deeply entrenched racism, but that’s too facile. The Klan’s big issue in the ’20s was anti-immigration and stamping out the menace of Popery. When they made a play to take over the state’s Republican party, it was the northern-third party members who put a stop to it.
He also reminded me of the influence of foreign policy on this insulated, heartland area. His family were all Democrats “until Woodrow Wilson invaded the Fatherland,” and all the good Germans turned Republican overnight. “And I’m hearing from a lot of Republicans who plan to vote Democratic in the fall,” he said, over disgust with the Iraq war. Goes to show you things change everywhere, even in Indiana.
So how are the rest of you on this fine spring day? Speaking of demographic and historical influences, I saw a bumper sticker the other day. It read: “Turkey: Take responsibility for the Armenian genocide,” which counts as a sentiment you don’t hear expressed much in other parts of the country. Yesterday, while poking around Sweet Juniper’s related sites, I ordered this from his photo store. It looks as thought it was taken in the Dequindre Cut pre-renovation, although I could be wrong. Title: “Feral dog, Albanian graffiti.” Yes, there’s an Albanian presence in Detroit. Yes, that’s the country where the fake war was in “Wag the Dog,” a place so reliably obscure the writers believed it could pass as “one of those ‘A’ countries,” and it did. Not here.
OK, enough half-assed sociology. On to the bloggage:
The 50 Greatest Commercial Parodies of all time might be funny, but I didn’t get beyond No. 50 — for Annuale, the once-a-year period. It seemed unfair to the other ad parodies to have to compare with that one. Love the pink ax.
A survey of newspaper editors around the world reveals they believe the newspaper of the future will be free (congratulations, folks, it already is); have more opinion and comment (groan, because of course they’re doing such a bang-up job competing with the internet on that one already); and that “some traditional editorial functions will be outsourced” (more errors). A limping industry falls into its future.
Celebrity “journalism” is great fun and all, but I miss the days when all we did was take Sean Penn’s picture when he was leaving a restaurant with Madonna. Poor Mischa Barton (a phrase I never thought I’d write).
For those of you who missed the Tom Cruise/Oprah interview last week, Bossy has a recap.
Off to the gym. Be good, now.
John said on May 6, 2008 at 9:42 am
“Some Broad” indeed! That’s “Our Broad” Missy!
What is next? A Daily Mail exposeé of our Nance leaving Dunkin’ Donuts in bike shorts?
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moe99 said on May 6, 2008 at 10:49 am
Kudos, Nancy!
I’ve lived in Ohio and in two states that should be divided vertically: Kentucky and Washington. In the case of Kentucky, the hills and most of the liberals are all in the east, though coal is mined throughout and in Washington, most conservatives live in the eastern part, though both sides have mountains to their western borders. Makes for interesting statewide races.
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Danny said on May 6, 2008 at 11:23 am
Nance, New Hampshire called, they want their much caracitured common-sense and rugged-individualism back after Indiana is through with it.
Seriously though, congrats on the editorial. Awesome to see you getting some more national publication.
Out of all the things that might have struck one about your editorial, I was wondering most about the single-class basketball tournament. I think you have a point as it relates to team sports. David vs. Goliath doesn’t work … usually. But for wrestling, which is mostly and individual sport, it is the best. California has a single-class state wrestling tournament and it rocks. Usually the kids who place in the top eight or so are recruited by division 1 colleges. My old home state, Maryland used to have it that way, but no more. Which is ridiculous because it is such a small state.
Anyway, I guess I’m just a little burnt-out on politics.
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Sue said on May 6, 2008 at 11:27 am
One of Bossy’s best was her Barbie version of The African Queen. Who but Bossy would use tampons for torpedoes?
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nancy said on May 6, 2008 at 11:33 am
Danny, you must be burnt out on politics to change the subject to wrestling.
But yeah, you’re probably right — in individual sports, size (of school) doesn’t matter, in team sports, it does. (Actually, as “Hoosiers” pointed out, that era passed not long after the Milan Miracle, when those tiny country high schools got consolidated. I think Milan had a total enrollment of something like 34.)
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Jeff said on May 6, 2008 at 11:41 am
WHAT? You didn’t work Eugene V. Debs into the piece to show the Progressive roots of Hoosierdom?
Hey, very nice piece and delighted to see you get tapped on the shoulder by WaPo, a much better paper these days than their erstwhile competition up in Gotham. Class begets class!
(Should i run any of your phrases through Google, just to be on the safe side? [clickety clickety] Nope, nuttin’. Weird stuff, but no verbatim echoes. Here’s some fun — http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22the+most+conservative+state+in+the+country%22&btnG=Google+Search — then type in Indiana next to the quotes, and Nancy comes up #1, with some other quirky reads right after. Your loyal readers, fact-checking yer hiney so the trolls don’t have to!)
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brian stouder said on May 6, 2008 at 11:47 am
Well – we ARE ready for our closeup – as are any number of non-Hoosier pundits and muck rakers.
If HRC wins Indiana, the fly-over pundits will say that the rubes fell for her phony gas-tax furlough; and El Rushbo will say it was HIS doing – that his mindless minions crossed over from the ranks of right-thinking Republicans to wreak havoc for the Democrats by voting for Hillary. (pea-brained roosters who take credit for the sunrise every morning are closer to the truth than that gasbag ever will be. And note the inherent sexism – if HRC earns the victory, folks that hate her will say that they gifted it to her. Of course, she could not possibly have won anything on her own terms, and without THEIR permission. ‘Course, the dittoheads have no answer as to how Hillary prevailed in New Hampshire, to the almost universal surprise of pundits and pollsters…and pig-headed pig-dogs like Rush, for that matter!)
If Obama wins, I will be exceedingly happy – not least because it will mar the closeups of lots of non-hoosiers!
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Jolene said on May 6, 2008 at 11:57 am
Just curious, Nancy. How did the WaPo column come about? Did you propose this, or did they come to you? I thought it interesting that, for a piece like this, they chose a former resident rather than someone still there.
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nancy said on May 6, 2008 at 12:02 pm
Well, Jolene, they looked and looked for a writer good enough to work for them, but couldn’t find one…
OK. Kidding.
They came to me. And I wasn’t the only one they asked. There was one other person (a resident) I know of, but I haven’t seen his piece yet. It might be going up later today.
When the WashPost asks, you say yes.
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derwood said on May 6, 2008 at 12:04 pm
Please tell me is isn’t Kevin L.
Nice article. I love DST. My friends, not so much.
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Adrianne said on May 6, 2008 at 12:14 pm
As a former Buckeye, you must be thrilled to be cited as an authentic Hoosier voice! I liked your column, and Paul Helmke is the perfect contradictory Hoosier to quote – a liberal Republican roosting in Fort Wayne.
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Danny said on May 6, 2008 at 12:20 pm
Brian, did you vote yet? Or do you do absentee ballot.
It’s weird, regarding absentee votes. I’ve heard conflicting stories during election-night coverage as to when they are counted. Sometimes I’ve heard anchors say that the early results are the absentees and other times I’ve heard that they are not counted until the end (like sometimes several days later). I’m thinking that the latter is probably true. Anyone have any info?
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brian stouder said on May 6, 2008 at 12:34 pm
Danny – (copied & revised from last thread) – my lovely wife and I voted this morning (at different times) the old fashioned way at the polls (and we cancelled each other, at least on one race); no lengthy lines of voters were present – although one could say it was ’steady’ (I had two people ahead of me, and one after me, and another voter [presumeably] was pulling in as I drove away)…..and no dramatic challenge to me when I went for “D” status for the first time in a primary. (I had an Obama button tucked inside my pocket, as a ready talisman in case I was challenged).
Real life Hoosier voting was (as always) much more relaxed than the cable channels might have us believe…at least hereabouts.
Way back in the day (say – more than 25 years ago!) I worked in polling places on several different election days. This was back when they had those great big mechanical voting machines, that (at the end of the day) you (literally) cranked out a massive ballot with all the totals on it, and transcribed the results after conducting a hand count of the absentee ballots. (at some point during the day, a courier would bring the absentee ballots for your precinct in, at when the polls closed, you had to check each one in, so as to eliminate the ballot of any absentee voter who went ahead and showed up at the polling place)
I suspect the process is different now!
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Sue said on May 6, 2008 at 12:41 pm
In my little municipality (population 13000), absentee votes are counted the day of, as the election officials have time. This does not mean that the ballots are counted here and there as someone can work in a minute, but that the majority of the submitted votes are counted when the clerk and officials, looking ahead to the day, see a block of time that looks good. All ballots submitted to the clerk’s office by the close of voting are counted, so you could have absentee ballots being delivered and counted right up to the end. I’ve not heard of ballots being counted days later in my municipality or county. I’ve heard it has been done… elsewhere.
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LAMary said on May 6, 2008 at 12:43 pm
Armenian bumperstickers are extremely commonplace here. They actually have an all day assembly at my son’s high school on Armenian Holocaust Day.
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derwood said on May 6, 2008 at 12:46 pm
It has only been a few years now that Marion County started using scanning machines. When we moved here from FW in 99 they still had the big huge mechanical machines with the levers and the curtain. It was quite a shock coming from Allen County which had electronic machines.
My first primary ever. Always vote, just never in a primary. Had no wait but the workers said it had been very busy.
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Peter said on May 6, 2008 at 1:34 pm
OMG, aren’t we going to be handicapping the races?
I’ll start – call me crazy but I say Obama by 5 in both.
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derwood said on May 6, 2008 at 1:36 pm
Indiana Clinton by 7
NC Obama by 4
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nancy said on May 6, 2008 at 1:36 pm
LAMary — Of course. You guys are the home of the Kardashians.
I like Derwood’s numbers. Latest polling shows Hillary ahead in Indiana; Obama had her by five but lost it after Rev. Wright. Also, the open primary has the GOP ratfuckers doing the crossover to vote for her. He may have made up some ground in the last couple days — you can always pick up Hoosier votes with free food — but I still think she’ll edge him there.
He’s supposedly way ahead in N.C., however.
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derwood said on May 6, 2008 at 1:58 pm
IndyStar and others are reporting huge crossover votes. Talking to people at work, many of them voted for HRC but have no intention of voting for a Dem in November.
I think the exception will be for Burton’s district…he has a good chance of being voted out with a quality alternative. I see less crossovers there as the desire by the local Republicans to get rid of him is high.
If I could have split my vote McGoff would have it.
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brian stouder said on May 6, 2008 at 2:02 pm
Nance – in my opinion it is a mistake to ascribe one scintilla of Hillary’s success to anything other than her own hard work.
At lunch, there was lots of chatter on msnbc about strikingly heavy turnout of nominally Republican voters, going D this year. But they frame this as either Barack’s great and genuine appeal (if he turns out to be the winner tonight), or else cynical votes for Hillary, just to wrench things.
Isn’t this offensive? Isn’t this an unfair “can’t win” situation for Hillary? Isn’t this more than a little patronizing/sexist?
Anyway – I hope Barack wins by one vote; and then I’ll have bragging rights!! (although Pammy will be unhappy with me)
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Danny said on May 6, 2008 at 2:37 pm
Anyway – I hope Barack wins by one vote; and then I’ll have bragging rights!! (although Pammy will be unhappy with me)
Sounds like a no-win situation. I’ve .. ahem … heard about those before.
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Jolene said on May 6, 2008 at 2:59 pm
One more question, Nance. What did you think of the headline? I liked it as a fit to the piece, but thought it was a bit late to be telling candidates what they’d need to know. Seems like they should have gone w/ something about what readers needed to know to understand Indiana voters—not that that’d be a good headline.
Anyway, congratulations! Very piece of writing.
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Sue said on May 6, 2008 at 3:13 pm
Wait… Masses of Indiana voters are crossing over to do some mischief? But that’s mean! I thought, based on the information I have gathered over the months here at NancyNall, that people from Indiana were old-fashioned, stuck in their ways, so century-before-last, etc. etc., but mean? Don’t you need to be from a big city or one of the coasts to act like that? I’m embarrassed for them.
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Jolene said on May 6, 2008 at 3:31 pm
Very piece? Um, that should have been “very nice piece,” but you knew that.
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Dexter said on May 6, 2008 at 3:58 pm
I lived in Indiana for 28 years. Some memorable quotes follow, from the first person I heard them from…
Jim Murray, the late LA Times sports reporter extraordinaire:”We were making our final approach to Weir Cook [old designation for Indianapolis airport)], and the pilot comes on and says, “We will soon be landing in Ihdianapolis, set your watches back fifty years.”
I was riding our baseball team’s bus in 1968 and one of my witty teammates told me my home state was ” a race track surrounded by corn fields”.
I was in Basic Combat Training at Fort Knox, KY, with Michiganians and Hoosiers from all parts of Indiana. My bunkie was from Shelbyville and he spoke with a southern accent. It seems anybody south of Anderson spoke with a twangy drawl of some degree. Our speech patterns in Waterloo seemed to be unaffected by a regional affectation…we seemed to have a generic tone to our voices.
A generation before us, some folks spoke differently, using terms like “a-gin it” for “against”…oh well.
Most Fort Wayne African Americans had and have strong ties to Alabama, and their speech reflected it. Native Canadian Blacks have the exact same speech patterns as Caucasians, of course.
Once a friend heard Canadian Ferguson Jenkins, the Hall of Fame former Cub pitcher speaking during a radio interview and told me I sound exactly like Fergie, in voice modulation and word articulation. I listened closely and our speech pattern is nearly identical. Fergie is Black and I am not. It’s a coincidence, that’s all.
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Gena said on May 6, 2008 at 4:39 pm
The crossovers kind of feel like payback. I doubt there’s a Dem in NE IN who hasn’t crossed over to help avoid a worst-case scenario in local races.
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Danny said on May 6, 2008 at 4:56 pm
Nancy today:
Also, the open primary has the GOP ratfuckers doing the crossover to vote for her.
Nancy, January 14, 2008 (day before Michigan Primary):
We’ll see. Maybe the Democratic vote-for-the-worst crossover will amount to something. I said last week that I’m a crossover voter of long standing; in Indiana, the only way to feel not totally irrelevant in many contests was to vote in the Republican primary, and I did so, many times. Some people think this is wrong, but I never lost a moment’s sleep over it, as I know in my heart that if the tables were turned, those folks would do it to the Democrats in a nanosecond. No prisoners, not this time.
Me:
Ahh. No comment.
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caliban said on May 6, 2008 at 4:58 pm
Stateitude? I grew up, in more ways than one, in
Detroit, lived 20 years in Greater Boston (and it is greater), and spent the last ten wastrel years on the beach in South Carolina. But, hard-pressed, I’d say I’m from Georgia. And if a state ever needed to cede property to another, we’d gladly give South Georgia to Florida. ButFlorida strange. Hiassenn is a very good writer.
Went to the Grady School, and Athens is Ralph McGill territory, Reg Murphy, Max Cleland, too. And Joel Chandler Harris, maligned second-hand for tar-baby when the briar patch is the perfect metaphor for what Presidents Bush leave their replacements, on purpose, with piss-poor bad will, Yalie cowardice and unresolved rancor at their own venality, cowardice and incompetence. Itg’s the mantra, stupid. Bail out or get way loaded.
It’s the briar patch, stupid. These days, Bush and McCain don’t favor a GI Bill. How hypocritical do you have to be to get no votes from anybody?
I diaagree with you Nancy, about where the best writers will end up. The best writers love books.
But, I don’t actually care. Thomas Gibson knows how things will turn out, and until Tom McGaune weighs in, that’s the best we can do. Tom McGuane is the best wrter going, or it’s Roddy Doyle, or Lawrence Noroflk or Susanna Clarke (and gutdom, Mr. Norrell is awe=-inspiring). Then you have, I don’t know, John Gardner, and Stanley Elkin. And Robert Coover.
I love newspapers almost more than anybody does. NancyNall doesn’t love newspapers for writing. It’s writing on deadline. A uniqe talent.
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Danny said on May 6, 2008 at 5:13 pm
Okay, John c. Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to not anger you-know-who by accidentally juxtaposing unrelated words or unrelated topics to which he can take great, if mistaken, umbrage to.
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nancy said on May 6, 2008 at 5:27 pm
Actually, Danny, I’ll comment:
I crossed over many times to vote in Republican parties, and I’m not even sure it was even technically illegal. The law in Indiana said you could switch parties in the primary if you plan to vote for “a majority” of candidates from that party in the general. A ridiculous law — how on earth could they tell? — but given that party lines become less important the more local you get, it was certainly an open question if my general-election ballot would be majority Republican. I always, always split my ticket. (In Indiana, there’s a press-one-button option if you want to go all-one party.)
In many, many elections in Indiana, the primary was the real election. Just as no one can tell you who the Republican was in the last Detroit mayoral race, it was often so in Indiana. If the choice was between which GOP lunatic would be chosen to defeat the underfunded, uncharismatic Democratic sacrificial lamb, I voted in that primary with no guilt.
And sometimes I voted Republican again in the fall. Depending on which lunatic won.
There was a recent election in Fort Wayne when crossing over became an issue, an early warning of the party’s current split, between a far-right conservative and a moderate one. I felt very strongly that the former candidate needed to have his political career strangled in its cradle, and so I crossed over and did my part.
I use the term ratfucker casually, in the Donald Segretti sense of the word. It’s a mild form of monkey-wrenching, and I’ll take it for myself. I voted for Romney in the Michigan primary in large part to extend the GOP campaign, and it did (a little). That’s the stated aim of the GOP crossovers today in Indiana, so I can’t fault them.
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Danny said on May 6, 2008 at 6:17 pm
Hmm, I stand corrected. I had never heard that term before. I should probably use it at the next board meeting and point to wikipedia (or Nancy) for connotative authority.
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Jolene said on May 6, 2008 at 7:05 pm
I hope you’ll make a video when you do that, Danny. I don’t know what board you’re talking about, but that terminology would stand out in most meetings.
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Jolene said on May 6, 2008 at 7:22 pm
CNN has a county-level map showing election results from Indiana. Based on a count of 32% of the votes, you and your neighbors seem to have preferred Barack by about 8%.
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Jolene said on May 6, 2008 at 7:24 pm
Whoops! I mean 12%.
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basset said on May 6, 2008 at 9:27 pm
Way to go, Nance. Ya did good.
meanwhile… Obama is speaking from North Carolina on MSNBC as I type. just asked a couple friends in Daviess and Owen counties whether they went for him or Hillary… I suspect that in my native Martin County most of the few Democrats voted “no” tonight.
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brian stouder said on May 6, 2008 at 10:01 pm
Jolene – GREAT LINK! I love that updating Indiana county map!
If Barack wins the popular vote in Indiana, it may not be by much more than one vote – which, looking at NC, is fine with me!
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baldheadeddork said on May 7, 2008 at 12:13 am
Nice column for the WaPo, Nancy. You classed up their joint.
Eleven forty-something and still waiting for Lake County. Clinton has a 38K vote lead, the talking heads report there are 220K still outstanding. Obama could win this damn thing.
It’s been a very good day. I spent a few hours standing outside the polling place at Assembly Hall with an Obama sign, then met a lot of other volunteers and staffers at Opie Taylor’s. The volunteers were of every age, but all of the staffers are in their twenties. They’re amazing. Working with these kids has scrubbed away a decade or two of cynicism. We’re going to be okay when they get their hands on the keys.
11:52 now. Lake County has (finally) started to report. Margin is down to under 20,000, with just 28% of Lake reporting.
Closer to home, Monroe County/Bloomington is still counting the votes cast today and they haven’t even started the 5,000 early votes cast, mostly by students at the university.
He’s going to win this.
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brian stouder said on May 7, 2008 at 12:28 am
Indiana, baby! Not a bad closeup at all!
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Jolene said on May 7, 2008 at 12:32 am
Indeed, Brian! But I wish they’d hurry up and call it. In the meantime, though, good for you Hoosiers.
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Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on May 7, 2008 at 12:37 am
Wow. I know the total numbers are all, but only eight of 55 counties swing for Obama, while he still picks up 49% of the vote — what does this say for the November election?
“in the Donald Segretti sense of the word” — how often do you get to use a phrase like that?
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caliban said on May 7, 2008 at 12:47 am
And isn’t Detroit part of Ontario? I mean in the Windsor Raceway heist kinda way? Or Justice in Ontario? Me and my brother stole gasoline from an Ontario quickie on the same night those guys used masks to rob the raceway. We lived in fear till we made it through the Windsor tunnel. Cops were crawling all over the place, and we thought we were the perpetrators they were after. It was a blue Ford, not a
“’57 Biscayne”
We had a little money once
They were pushing through a four lane highway
Government gave us three thousand dollars
You should have seen it fly away
First he bought a ’57 Biscayne
He put it in the ditch
He drunk up all the rest
That son of a bitch
His blood’s bad whiskey
I was raised on robbery.
And if Massachusetts could claim the Kancamagus highway and the Swift River, Im all for stateitude. And Georgia could claim Point Clear, and Biloxi. And the storms will blow from off towards New Orleans.
I was born in Cinncinati. It’s really part of Kentucky, slave trade and all. And boy, they didn’t like Jackie Robinson. But a Kentucky Colonel put his arm around him. All in all, this is an interesting idea. When I was gestating, my mom was playing catch with Roy Campanella,. So Brooklyn and LA are immortally intertwined.
It’s a small world after all. But it isn’t. We, as a nation,torture people, for no good reason and with no results. We’ve got a niggling pervert for a president that thinks this is all right because nobody’s doing it to him. Asshole should have served on a Swift Boat instead of Bummingham coot patrol.. We’ve got a judicial system that believe’s torture is hunky-dory, and you can just dick around with the election process. Scalia can say get over it but does anybody with a brain think they didn’t rof that shit?
And what happened? Shock and Awe. You let things get out of hand when you let lunatics run the Supreme Court, and Dickless Cheney appoint himself VP when the pretzeldent is a pretzeldent.
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caliban said on May 7, 2008 at 1:39 am
Republican aholes set the primary dates in Michigan and Florida. Count the votes. HoDean, take a short hike off a short pier. Who appointed you emperor? You lost fair and square becuise you’re an asshole that got in bed with Enron. It’s the reinsurance, asshole.
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caliban said on May 7, 2008 at 2:29 am
And that statetricty in Lake County.
Read Cuyahoga.
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Dexter said on May 7, 2008 at 2:46 am
John King (CNN) was raking the Gary mayor harshly on slow returns and wouldn’t let up. It got ugly. Finally with 99% in they called Indiana for HRC.
Tweety Matthews says it’s over as HRC was trounced soundly by Obama
Jon Stewart had a great time trashing Kwame Kilpatrick . Stewart had “R Kelly impersonator” say a few words on “texual healing”—I thought that was a brilliant summation of the sordid affair.
“I wanted so much to give you head this morning but I didn’t know how to ask.”
“R Kelly impersonator” sang , improvising…”There is no wrong way to ask me that question..”
Good stuff on Stewart last night.
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Terry WAlter said on May 7, 2008 at 5:27 am
Popular ex-mayor Helmke? After his Aboite township land & power grab,I don’t think so. Read that he was testing the waters about coming back as mayor, but ran into an iceberg. Let’s see,we’ll double your property taxes and in return, maybe we’ll pick up your leaves by spring. And we’ll have another layer of radar wielding cops to ‘protect’ your high crime area. What a deal. Who could resist. I wish he,Nelson Peters, Bush,Mitch & the rest of their ilk would just declare themselves the mo’better big government Democrats that they really are. At least it would end the confusion. Laura (let them eat cake) Bush didn’t believe that there were all those pissed off Republicans out there before the last election. We see how that turned out.
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caliban said on May 17, 2008 at 9:08 pm
I say, leave Sean Penn alone. If asholes invaded like the paparrazi does his, I’d kick ass too.Bottom feeders.
You’re rihht Terry. If Kenneth didn’t steal all those votes why can’t I to this day not type in those votes? Was this ever investigated? Did Reaganistas set out against Kerry because he prosecuted BCCI, which embarrassed and held the Raygun bunch accountable for xibiartibg with criminals and terrorists? Can’t be. They were, they did, they’ll get way with it.
Johc Kerry was ridiculed by W when he said that police work would solve Anybody thats not a nitwit knows hes right. That leaves G. Bush out of th eqyation
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caliban said on May 17, 2008 at 9:24 pm
Anybody stupid enough to claim police work wouldnt be the most intelligent approach? Hands?
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caliban said on May 17, 2008 at 10:40 pm
I don’ really care. If you put in with self-proclaimed
moron, good luck. But he’s a moron, and just as we reap shall we sow.
It was big news about Einstein’s letters mocking God. But he said god does not play dice. Kins os dVW IR qY HQ < I wouldn’t think this is a big deal. But I’m a Teillhardian and everythings a big deal of of some sort.So what’s it with Albert dismisding God when he
said God doesnt play dice with the universe?
There’s alway what Oppenheimer said. See, you have made me , Siva, the destroyer. But we can choose the Van instead. Or octopus grigori
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caliban said on May 17, 2008 at 10:56 pm
Holy shit. I didn’t send that. I meant to make fun of Hucdabee, if it’s possible to make fun of Elmer Fudd making a jgun joke bout a balck guy thinking he was a target at an NRA meeting. Thank you, Gov. Hucckabee. Nobody could make that up.
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