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The soft belly of Hardball.

Stayed up late last night to read the Chris Matthews pro­file in the NYT mag­a­zine, a rather aston­ish­ing doc­u­ment, all things con­sid­ered. Matthews comes off as a loud, crafty, needy, inse­cure, boast­ful toad who’s every bit the sex­ist shitheel you sus­pected he was, only utterly unaware of it. I say “all things con­sid­ered” because the NYT gen­er­ally doesn’t truck with this sort of thing. Here’s the lede:

When­ever Chris Matthews says some­thing he likes, which hap­pens a lot, he repeats it often and at vol­umes sug­gest­ing a speaker who feels insuf­fi­ciently lis­tened to at times. “Tim Russert finally reeled the big mar­lin into the boat tonight,” Matthews yelled — nine times, on and off the air, after a Demo­c­ra­tic debate that Russert mod­er­ated with Brian Williams in late Feb­ru­ary at Cleve­land State Uni­ver­sity. Matthews believed that Russert (the fish­er­man) had finally suc­ceeded in get­ting Hillary Clin­ton (the mar­lin) to admit that she was wrong to vote in favor of the Iraq war res­o­lu­tion in 2002. “We’ve been trolling for that mar­lin for what, a year now?” Matthews said to Russert.

Com­par­ing Hillary Rod­ham Clin­ton to a big flop­ping fish will do noth­ing to stop crit­i­cism — from Clinton’s pres­i­den­tial cam­paign, among oth­ers — that Matthews and his net­work, MSNBC, have treated the for­mer first lady unfairly. But this didn’t keep Matthews from blud­geon­ing the mar­lin line to death in the post­de­bate “spin room.” “Russert caught the mar­lin; he got the mar­lin,” Matthews shouted to a school of down­cast reporters who had been hang­ing on every canned word of Clinton’s chief cam­paign strate­gist, Mark Penn.

The spin room is a mod­ern political-media mar­vel whose full-on use­less­ness is per­fectly con­veyed by its name, but Matthews appeared in his ele­ment. He wore a dreamy smile, walk­ing around, sign­ing auto­graphs. As he went, Matthews seemed com­pelled to give his “take,” which is how he describes his job each night at 5 and 7, East­ern time, on “Hardball” — “giving my take.”

It goes on from there. It doesn’t get nicer. Matthews has bugged me for years and enraged me for most of them, but by the end I almost felt sorry for him. The era of the cable shout­fest is wan­ing, and he hasn’t fig­ured it out yet. The appeal of lis­ten­ing to two or three blowhards is pretty thin in ideal con­di­tions, and when you can surf on your lap­top to eight or nine smarter ama­teurs’ “take,” or watch the con­sid­er­ably more enter­tain­ing “Daily Show,” it goes utterly flat. And when you’re sit­ting with your lap­top in front of the TV, and the com­par­i­son is right there in your face, it’s even less appeal­ing. This gets it, I think:

Cable polit­i­cal cov­er­age has changed, how­ever, and so has the sen­si­bil­ity that view­ers — par­tic­u­larly young ones — expect from it. Matthews’s bom­bast is rad­i­cally at odds with the wry, antipo­lit­i­cal style fash­ioned by Jon Stew­art and Stephen Col­bert or the cut­ting and finely tuned cyn­i­cism of Matthews’s MSNBC co-worker Keith Olber­mann. These hosts betray none of the rev­er­ence for pol­i­tics or the rit­u­als of Wash­ing­ton that Matthews does. On the con­trary, they appeal to the eye-rolling ten­den­cies of a cooler, highly edu­cated urban cohort of the elec­torate that mostly dis­misses an exu­ber­ant polit­i­cal ani­mal like Matthews as annoy­ingly anti­quated, like the rant­ing uncle at the Thanks­giv­ing table whom the kids have learned to tune out.

Noth­ing illus­trated Matthews’s dis­cor­dance with the new cable ethos bet­ter than an evis­cer­at­ing inter­view he suf­fered through last fall at the hands of Stew­art him­self. Matthews went on the “The Daily Show” to pro­mote his book “Life’s a Cam­paign: What Pol­i­tics Has Taught Me About Friend­ship, Rivalry, Rep­u­ta­tion and Suc­cess.” The book essen­tially adver­tises itself as a guide­book for read­ers wish­ing to apply the lessons of win­ning politi­cians to suc­ceed­ing in life. “Peo­ple don’t mind being used; they mind being dis­carded” is the title of one chap­ter. “A self-hurt book” and “a recipe for sad­ness” Stew­art called it, and the inter­view was all squirms from there. “This strikes me as arti­fice,” Stew­art said. “If you live by this book, your life will be strat­egy, and if your life is strat­egy, you will be unhappy.”

Matthews accused Stew­art of “trash­ing my book.”

“I’m not trash­ing your book,” Stew­art protested. “I’m trash­ing your phi­los­o­phy of life.”

(Can I just say that a book titled “Life’s a Cam­paign: What Pol­i­tics Has Taught Me About Friend­ship, Rivalry, Rep­u­ta­tion and Suc­cess” will prob­a­bly be in Hell’s library. The only book I want to read less is “Big Russ and Me.” Or any­thing by Mitch Albom.)

Funny how these things change, how you go to bed in the sum­mer and wake up and it’s autumn. The temperature’s the same but the wind has just a hint of north in it, the slant of the light is just a lit­tle dif­fer­ent, and you know a new sea­son is com­ing. Being able to feel those changes early on is a good skill to have, but once you get to a cer­tain level of suc­cess, the world con­spires to keep you in the dark. I once read a story about Bill O’Reilly’s sexual-harassment prob­lem, and some­one described the thin-air cul­ture of national-TV anchors, how they go through their life trailed by squadrons of young women — interns, assis­tants, relent­lessly ambi­tious climbers — whose job it is to make sure these hot­house flow­ers stay happy, hydrated and at the top of their game. They go, essen­tially, to a Graceland-without-walls, with the entourage say­ing, “Yes, boss” at every turn. No won­der they can’t feel the air.

I imag­ine read­ing Sunday’s NYT mag­a­zine will be like hav­ing a bro­ken win­dow in the house in Jan­u­ary, how­ever. At least at the Matthews’.

OK, I’m run­ning late and try­ing to get to the gym while simul­ta­ne­ously lis­ten­ing to a “Fresh Air” pod­cast that explains the national eco­nomic melt­down in sim­ple terms. I am but human, and so I’m going to cut one activ­ity short — this one. Enjoy this blog­gage, which finds the roots of Indian curry and Mex­i­can mole in medieval Islamic cui­sine. Mmm, mole.

Back in a bit.

41 responses to
“The soft belly of Hardball.”

  1. del said on April 10th, 2008 at 11:00 am

    I remem­ber Stewart’s inter­view of Matthews well. Stun­ning, it was. Stew­art likened Matthews book to Machiavelli’s Prince … and when he inti­mated that it was nihilis­tic and described it as a “recipe for sad­ness” he nailed it.
    It strikes me as the book­end to Weingarten’s descrip­tion of the Great Zuc­chini as a young man who clings to guile­less and naive ways as a recipe for happiness.

  2. whitebeard said on April 10th, 2008 at 11:27 am

    This “It can be amus­ing if slightly painful to watch Matthews’s facial expres­sions and body lan­guage on the set of “Hard­ball” when oth­ers are talk­ing; he will, at times, bounce in his seat like a Ritalin-deprived second-grader who is dying to give an answer but has been admon­ished too many times for inter­rupt­ing.” from the NY Times Mag­a­zine arti­cle, describes my take on Matthews and prompts me to leave my place near the TV set, because it is painful for me to watch ( I am not amused at all) and cringe at his even­tual, extremely loud, repet­i­tive, out­landish rhetoric. Give me Keith Olbermann’s calm, care­fully crafted cyn­i­cism any day of the week. But, who am I to talk, I have not stared into a live micro­phone (before lapel mikes were invented, so it dates me) for almost half a century.

  3. Danny said on April 10th, 2008 at 11:56 am

    Mess-NBC is unwatchable.

  4. Dorothy said on April 10th, 2008 at 12:18 pm

    Chris Matthews is what my dear Grandma Josephine would have called “Mr.-I-Love-To-Hear-Myself-Talk.”

  5. Harl Delos said on April 10th, 2008 at 12:33 pm

    Give me Keith Olbermann’s calm, care­fully crafted cyn­i­cism any day of the week.

    In pref­er­ence to Chris Matthews? Absolutely. But “any day of the week” isn’t “every day of the week”. Keith Olber­mann on MSNBC would be great as a weekly half-hour, or pos­si­bly as a weekly hour, but as a week­daily hour, it’s too much.

    Is “week­daily” found in any dic­tio­nary? Appar­ently not. I always thought it odd that a “daily” news­pa­per might pub­lish 5, 6, or 7 days a week. If one coins “week­daily” to mean 5 days a week, what word could you pos­si­bly use to mean every day except Sundays?

    I’m not sure what Fre­shAir taught you — they’re often quite good — but the folks at MGoB­lue say the econ­omy will look up later this year:

    http://​www​.ns​.umich​.edu/​h​t​d​o​c​s​/​r​e​l​e​a​s​e​s​/​s​t​o​r​y​.​p​h​p​?​i​d=6415

    Was it Tru­man that said if you lined up econ­o­mists head-to-foot in a line long enough to reach the moon, they’d still be wrong? I gen­er­ally respect the folks at Ann Arbor, but I’m more pes­simistic than they are.

  6. Danny said on April 10th, 2008 at 12:46 pm

    Harl, if you sub­sti­tute “weak” for “week” it makes more lex­i­cal sense in regard to Keith’s show.

  7. john c said on April 10th, 2008 at 1:02 pm

    I’ve always thought the blowhard shows like Matthews get way more atten­tion than they deserve. Their rat­ings are hor­ri­ble, and very skewed to a par­tic­u­lar niche. They get talked about in the media because, well, some media peo­ple are among that niche. And also because there are no real national news­casts like Cronkite anymore.

  8. del said on April 10th, 2008 at 1:03 pm

    Danny, no mat­ter how the polit­i­cal and cul­tural winds blow in the future, Keith Olber­mann has been a Voice in the Wilder­ness amongst the majori­tar­ian dem­a­gogues (read: bul­lies) of his day.

  9. Jolene said on April 10th, 2008 at 1:06 pm

    I con­cede every­thing Lei­bovich, the author of the NYT piece and com­menters here have said about Matthews. Apart from the obnox­ious­ness and child­ish­ness, it’s just plain sad that a man who is lead­ing the life he is lead­ing would be so piti­fully insecure.

    Still, I have to defend him because I think he gets politics-as-a-game and politics-as-what-really-matters on a very deep level. When he asks whether you can “smell the Eng­lish Leather” on Fred Thomp­son, he is talk­ing about the non-rational ele­ments of the appeal of polit­i­cal can­di­dates that mat­ter whether they should or not. Does any­one think Barack Obama would be doing so well if he didn’t have such a mag­netic smile? Wouldn’t Hillary Clin­ton be doing bet­ter if she were bet­ter at speak­ing to large crowds?

    Attrac­tion to polit­i­cal lead­ers isn’t so much more ratio­nal than attrac­tion to the peo­ple we live with, no mat­ter how much we wish it were. Matthews gets the impor­tance of a candidate’s appeal at this level, and I think he is gen­er­ally on tar­get, if some­times inel­e­gant, in his “take” on these qualities.

    But he is also pas­sion­ate about the idea that things mat­ter. I have heard him refer numer­ous times, for instance, to the lack of knowl­edge of his­tory of the peo­ple who “thought it would be a good idea to take the U.S. mil­i­tary into Ara­bia.” And when he says this, he is really mad, which, in my view, any rea­son­able should be.

    So, yeah, he has a lot of faults, and I wish he would grow up. But at least part of his slop­pi­ness and gen­eral over-the-topness, comes from a place of real under­stand­ing of what dri­ves peo­ple and of what’s important.

  10. Danny said on April 10th, 2008 at 1:38 pm

    Del, the allu­sion you make to John the Bap­tist doesn’t hold up well for Olber­mann. For one, there is a very long line of media per­son­al­i­ties who are crit­i­cal of the cur­rent admin­is­tra­tion. It more like a Voice in the Cho­rus than a Voice in the Wilder­ness. Sec­ondly, he is not hum­ble; his ego is more over-the-top than even Matthews’.

    Whereas, you get the sense that part of Matthews’ on-air per­sona orig­i­nates from deep-seated inse­cu­ri­ties, there seems no such “chink” in Olbermann’s armor. He is clearly unbur­dened by intro­spec­tion, and unclouded by the crit­cial self-analysis that would result. In short, he is a true believer in his own “grav­i­tas.” When he looks in the mir­ror, he never finds a fur­rowed brow star­ing back.

  11. Jolene said on April 10th, 2008 at 1:44 pm

    Danny, I sec­ond what you’ve said so ele­gantly about Olber­man. The self-righteousness is just over­whelm­ing. Also, I must have missed the show when he was calm. When­ever I tune in, he seems to be on the verge of a stroke.

  12. nancy said on April 10th, 2008 at 2:28 pm

    I know what you’re say­ing about Matthews, Jolene, and I think it’s impor­tant. It’s very easy to wash your hands of “pol­i­tics,” but you should never for­get that pol­i­tics is how pol­icy gets made in this coun­try, and if you’re going to pos­ture your­self as above it all, you’re not going to be part of that conversation.

    As a per­son who gen­er­ally says what she means and expects oth­ers to do the same, I weary of the games­man­ship of pol­i­tick­ing, and I think that’s what puts peo­ple off. That “Fresh Air” pod­cast was ter­ri­fy­ing, par­tic­u­larly the part about how these deriv­a­tive OTC secu­ri­ties are entirely free of reg­u­la­tion, thanks to a bill attached to an omnibus spend­ing bill in 2000, approved on the lit­eral eve of the Christ­mas recess. Its spon­sor (Phil Gra­ham) doesn’t under­stand it, mem­bers of Con­gress don’t under­stand it, and it could very well push us fur­ther into reces­sion or even depres­sion. It wasn’t debated, no one held hear­ings, it just slipped through.

    As far as Olber­mann, I’ll give him this: He is a mainstream-media voice push­ing back against the flood of lies com­ing out of Wash­ing­ton, and by doing so, he speaks for a lot of view­ers. Savvy news sources fig­ured out a long time ago that when you say some­thing, reporters are sup­posed to quote you straight-up and hold the “bias,” even when every­one involved knows you’re lying through your teeth. If Olber­mann says, “Lying through their teeth today, top Bush admin­stra­tion offi­cials said,” etc., it vio­lates j-school rules, but it’s very sat­is­fy­ing for lots of peo­ple to watch.

  13. Sue said on April 10th, 2008 at 2:46 pm

    The only prob­lem I have with Olber­mann is that he comes across as a scold. I also think that he might con­fuse the impor­tance of the mes­sage with the impor­tance of the mes­sen­ger, if he gets much more pop­u­lar; he’s on the edge of that now, in my opin­ion. My favorite news pro­gram is the Daily Show, but that’s because I have usu­ally done my home­work by watch­ing a few news shows and read­ing (mostly online, sorry) some news­pa­pers. Unfor­tu­nately, Daily and Col­bert are cur­rently on my bad list because they did not imme­di­ately invite Nancy to appear when she broke the pla­gia­rism story. I avoid ALL the seri­ous blowhards. They just make me angry.

  14. Julie Robinson said on April 10th, 2008 at 2:50 pm

    Dorothy, your grandma had it on the nose. But I’d apply it to almost every TV “news“caster. Since Dad was a radio news­man I’ll admit con­sid­er­able bias. My take on TV news is to just plain turn it off, and lis­ten to the radio, and read my newspapers.

  15. john c said on April 10th, 2008 at 3:10 pm

    I’ll offer this observ­tion on just how bad local TV news in Detroit is. I am a heavy news con­sumer — three real news­pa­pers a day and at least two more perused online, plus NPR on the radio and CNN for big events. Recently I was in charge of pub­lic­ity for an event and it was sug­gested we invite the local tele­vi­sion sta­tions. I had to LOOK UP exactly what the local tele­vi­sion sta­tions are. And I’ve lived here for 8 years!

  16. del said on April 10th, 2008 at 3:32 pm

  17. Dexter said on April 10th, 2008 at 3:53 pm

    It’s always pile-on time when some­one crit­i­cizes Chris Matthews. I’m a reg­u­lar on Con­gres­sional Quarterly’s Craig Crawford’s Trailmix blog; Matthews is uni­formly called “Tweety” there, and daily admon­ished as racist, sex­ist, and unfair, and worse, much worse.
    I don’t know why peo­ple who hate a jour­nal­ist so much con­tinue to watch him/her.
    I can­not stand Rush Lim­baugh and it’s tor­ture to lis­ten to that god­dam blowhard son-of-a-bitch, so I avoid him at all costs.
    Same with O’Reilly and Han­nity and Chris Wal­lace and oth­ers, mostly at FOX News.
    But back to Matthews…could it be he is a hard-hitting jour­nal­ist who gets the best and most out of his guests, who has faults , yes, but who also gives his all to let us know a deeper under­stand­ing of daily news?
    Stew­art and Col­bert for news? You have to already know the news before they make any sense. Olber­mann is great alone or with one guest, but nobody can make a panel dis­cus­sion jump out of the TV like ol’ Tweety. I watch him every night; he does not “get old”.

  18. Danny said on April 10th, 2008 at 3:59 pm

    But back to Matthews…could it be he is a hard-hitting journalist…

    Only by doing great vio­lence to the Eng­lish lan­guage and the agreed upon mean­ing of words.

  19. Edward Carney said on April 10th, 2008 at 4:02 pm

    The fol­low­ing quote is the one you are think­ing of and is usu­ally ascribed to G. B. Shaw:
    “If all econ­o­mists were laid end to end, they would not reach a conclusion.

    >Was it Tru­man that said if you lined up econ­o­mists
    >head-to-foot in a line long enough to reach the moon,
    >they’d still be wrong? I gen­er­ally respect the folks at
    >Ann Arbor, but I’m more pes­simistic than they are.
    >Harl Delos

  20. Danny said on April 10th, 2008 at 4:16 pm

    Actu­ally, Nance, “lots of peo­ple,” would more accu­rately refer to Fox News, not Olber­mann or Matthews.

    CABLE NEWS RACE
    NIGHT OF MARCH 13, 2008
    VIEWERS

    FOXNEWS O’REILLY 2,979,000
    FNC HANNITY/COLMES 2,280,000
    FNC GRETA 1,896,000
    CNN KING 1,640,000
    FNC HUME 1,530,000
    CNN COOPER 1,417,000
    FNC SHEP 1,392,000
    CNN DOBBS 1,057,000
    MSNBC OLBERMANN 1,001,000
    CNNHN GRACE 605,000
    MSNBC HARDBALL 507,000

    CABLE NEWS RACE
    TUESDAY, MARCH 18, 2008

    FOXNEWS O’REILLY 2,987,000
    FNC HANNITY/COLMES 2,407,000
    FNC GRETA 1,851,000
    FNC SHEP 1,734,000
    FNC HUME 1,610,000
    CNN DOBBS 1,259,000
    CNN KING 1,165,000
    CNN ELECTION 1,147,000
    MSNBC OLBERMANN 993,000
    CNN COOPER 973,000
    CNN BLITZER 955,000
    MSNBC GREGORY 721,000

  21. Harl Delos said on April 10th, 2008 at 4:29 pm

    In short, he is a true believer in his own “gravitas.”

    About 15 – 20 years ago, Rush Lim­baugh was repeat­ing a theme every day for a month or more, say­ing the most sig­nif­i­cant dif­fer­ence between a lib­eral and a con­ser­v­a­tive was that lib­er­als were humorless.

    And many lib­er­als are. They take them­selves so seri­ously. But many con­ser­v­a­tives are humor­less as well, and neo­cons are even more humorless.

    Olber­man does not believe in his own grav­i­tas. It’s just that Olber­man keeps a straight face, even a stony face, while Jon cracks up at his own jokes. Not that I object to Stew­art. His laugh­ter is often fun­nier than his jokes, and that’s really say­ing some­thing, as Stew­art is widely con­sid­ered by other comics as being the fun­ni­est guy on television.

    Olber­man and Matthews were doing pri­mary results cov­er­age together back in Feb­ru­ary, and they were talk­ing to Texas State Sen­a­tor Kirk Wat­son, an Obama sup­porter. Matthews kept demand­ing that Wat­son list some of Obama’s leg­isla­tive accom­plish­ments, and Wat­son was hav­ing a brain fart. He couldn’t think of any­thing, and Matthews kept beat­ing him up.

    Finally, Olber­man said, “In defense of Sen­a­tor Obama, and also in con­text, can you name one accom­plish­ment of the United States Sen­ate in the last seven years?”

    Matthews said, “That’s a broader ques­tion requir­ing a larger prepa­ra­tion” and Olber­man replied, “Yeah, you don’t have an answer to that, either.”

    Shortly after that, Olber­man said, “In two weeks, Chris and I will have com­plete cov­er­age of the pri­maries in Ohio and Texas, at which I’m expect­ing a writ­ten reply to my question.”

    Matthews replied, “Why do you think they call it Hard­ball?” and Olber­man said, “But this isn’t Hard­ball. We’re doing the elec­tion results.”

    If you think that exchange was about Obama ver­sus Hillary, you’re very much mis­taken. Olber­man is as dis­gusted with Matthews as the rest of us are.

    Olber­man doesn’t take him­self any more seri­ously with pol­i­tics than he did when he was doing sports; it’s just that he doesn’t take the emporer’s new clothes seri­ously. Like most of us, he can’t under­stand why we’re still wast­ing the lives of our young men and women in Iraq when, by the President’s procla­ma­tion, we won five years ago. The Smoth­ers Broth­ers are off the air. It’s up to Keith Olber­man and Rev­erend Wright to tell us the truth: that Amer­ica doesn’t look very good when we don’t wear the white hat.

  22. Harl Delos said on April 10th, 2008 at 4:48 pm

    The fol­low­ing quote is the one you are think­ing of and is usu­ally ascribed to G. B. Shaw:“If all econ­o­mists were laid end to end, they would not reach a conclusion.

    I’m famil­iar with that quote, but it’s not the one I was think­ing of. What I quoted came later, and was much in the same vein as “If a man says some­thing in the for­est, and there’s no woman there to hear it, is he still wrong?” and I still think Tru­man was the one who said it. Pos­si­bly it was Kennedy, but Tru­man really had fun jok­ing about econ­o­mists. Shaw, on the other hand, was an economist.

    Truman’s best-remembered quo­ta­tion about econ­o­mists was that he was look­ing for a one-handed econ­o­mist, because that way he couldn’t say “On one hand this, but on the other hand that“‘ That’s not really Truman’s, though. A num­ber of times when Tru­man said that, he cred­ited Her­bert Hoover with the quip.

    Tru­man also said that econ­o­mists and weather fore­cast­ers are the only peo­ple who can make an abun­dant liv­ing with­out ever being right.

  23. Sue said on April 10th, 2008 at 4:57 pm

    Humor­ous Lib­eral: the late, great Molly Ivins.
    Humor­ous Con­ser­v­a­tive: the very much alive P.J. O’Rourke.
    Love them both.

  24. Linda said on April 10th, 2008 at 5:04 pm

    From what I have seen of him, Matthews is hard to take because he takes him­self and the Wash­ing­ton insider crowd so seri­ously. He views it as a lit­tle club he is priv­i­leged to be a part of, and sees its provin­cial­ism and elit­ism as per­fectly legit­i­mate. I dis­agree that he “gets” the emo­tion­al­ism that makes pol­i­tics work. He never under­stood, for exam­ple, the resent­ment that George W. Bush cre­ates in a lot of peo­ple. He con­fuses his own emo­tion­al­ism with objec­tive real­ity – his resent­ment of pow­er­ful women, his jock-sniffing ado­ra­tion of macho, pow­er­ful men – so much so, that it’s embar­rass­ing to watch. So much is focused on that, that there is no focus on the real issues that we are grap­pling with, like war and the economy.

  25. Linda said on April 10th, 2008 at 5:06 pm

    And as to your point, Nancy, about sens­ing the winds of change: I doubt that it would help Matthews. He is what he is, and maybe just can’t change.

  26. nancy said on April 10th, 2008 at 5:13 pm

    True, but it might keep him from embar­rass­ing him­self by going on the air with Olber­mann. They really have no chem­istry together on the primary-night shows I’ve seen them on. He does have an audi­ence, but it’s just not a very big one. He’s cer­tainly not worth $5 million/year.

    God. Five mil­lion bucks. Astonishing.

  27. Danny said on April 10th, 2008 at 5:16 pm

    It’s up to Keith Olber­man and Rev­erend Wright to tell us the truth: that Amer­ica doesn’t look very good when we don’t wear the white hat.

    Ummm…are you say­ing “white hat” in the sense of the pointy ones the KKK wore?

  28. Sue said on April 10th, 2008 at 5:29 pm

    Danny.…

  29. joodyb said on April 10th, 2008 at 6:05 pm

    change of sub­ject, but there are some par­ents in eau claire wis who have one up on brian today:

    AP — An Eau Claire mid­dle school prin­ci­pal says he made “an error in judg­ment” last week by not more fully dis­cussing a teacher’s plan to tell seventh-grade stu­dents her sex­ual ori­en­ta­tion dur­ing health classes.
    South Mid­dle School Prin­ci­pal John Wal­lace said in a let­ter to par­ents of about 125 stu­dents in Stephanie Rowe’s health classes that par­ents send their chil­dren to school each day “trust­ing that we as their edu­ca­tors will make the best deci­sions as to how to instruct and care for them.”
    “On cer­tain occa­sions, how­ever, a deci­sion is made that is clearly not in the best inter­est of the stu­dents and their guardians whom we serve,” Wal­lace wrote.

  30. Danny said on April 10th, 2008 at 6:34 pm

    Ooookay. I’ll be good.

  31. del said on April 10th, 2008 at 7:00 pm

    »Del, the allu­sion you make to John the Bap­tist doesn’t hold up well for Olber­mann. For one, there is a very long line of media per­son­al­i­ties who are crit­i­cal of the cur­rent admin­is­tra­tion. It more like a Voice in the Cho­rus than a Voice in the Wilderness.

    But like John the Bap­tist, Danny, Olber­mann was the first. But your point is well taken. Its okay for minor­ity voices to be more stri­dent. How­ever, your FOX news rat­ings belie your argu­ment as they reflect that the cho­rus is still heard mostly from the right.

  32. brian stouder said on April 10th, 2008 at 8:15 pm

    “On cer­tain occa­sions, how­ever, a deci­sion is made that is clearly not in the best inter­est of the stu­dents and their guardians whom we serve,” Wal­lace wrote.

    That really cuts to the core of the issue, joodyb. I think the real issue — the one thing I’m still pon­der­ing — is whether I lived up to the real duty entailed by in loco par­en­tis.

    Hon­estly, it looks like I failed (the young folks and their parents) — but on the other hand, some­one whose opin­ion I greatly value (and who wins pretty much every argu­ment we have) says I’m being a pansy-ass about this all…and she rightly points out that (so far) NO ONE else who was there has echoed my misgivings.

    The choice at crunch-time was: a) state unequiv­o­cally “That’s it! We’re done! We’re outta here!”. thereby derail­ing (so to speak) the whole thing

    or b) acquiesce…which is the default choice, if you dither

  33. Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on April 10th, 2008 at 9:53 pm

    I liked Chris Matthews on that “Ants March­ing” song, espe­cially the live con­cert version.

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    oh, Dave Matthews. Never mind.

  34. basset said on April 11th, 2008 at 12:03 am

    why is this bull­shit impor­tant? why do you care what one hair-helmet said to, or about, another, anyway?

  35. Dexter said on April 11th, 2008 at 12:33 am

    Back when I was a kid, at least the wingers were enter­tain­ing. Some­times I watched Joe Pyne. He was a char­ac­ter, and as a kid, some­times he left me utterly aghast.
    He’s long-forgotten , I sup­pose, by any­one less than 55 years of age, but here’s a his­tory les­son of today’s topic:

    http://​clas​sic​show​biz​.blogspot​.com/​2​0​0​8​/​0​1​/​j​o​e​-​p​y​n​e​-​s​h​o​w​-​w​i​t​h​-​g​u​e​s​t​-​a​n​t​i​-​w​a​r.html

  36. michaelj said on April 11th, 2008 at 12:44 am

    Hint of the north wind? Been read­ing John Crowlley?

    I think it’s fairly obvi­ous that the ‘autho­riza­tion’ required Shrub to return to Con­gress with some kind of proof before act­ing, and to allow el Baradei to pro­vide what­ever proof might be avail­able. Given that Obama has voted Dem the way Clarence Thomas affirms Scalia, he’s full of shit on this issue.

    When you get right down to it, I think it comes down to peo­ple in Con­gress just not con­sid­er­ing the idea that a Pres­i­dent of the Nunined Snakes (no typos, that’s how W says it) would flat out lie his ass off. Despite the pop­u­lar huz­zah, it’s only par­tially about oil, in the grand scheme of war profiteering.

  37. michaelj said on April 11th, 2008 at 1:40 am

    And Olber­mann is relent­less in his dis­like of Hillary. He actu­ally bad­gers his guests when they don’t buy into his attacks on her. But, I have to admit, unlike the Gigan­tic Head, Keith hasn’t waxed stu­pid on McCain’s Old Spice.

    Noth­ing to do with any­thing, but does any­body actu­ally buy Barack’s story about his Granny and the N word? Stilted deliv­ery, lame prose, unadul­ter­ated bullshit.

    There’s a real dif­fer­ence, though. Hillary and Barack might pro­duce tall tales under cam­paign pres­sure. BFD (aside from the fact that Keith Olber­mann will cru­cify Hillary days in a row and ignore Obama’s lib­er­ties). McCain, on the other hand can be told ad infini­tum that al Quaeda are Sunni and Iran is the Shia heart, and he still con­vo­lutes the two. Next thing, he was rid­ing that tank as a lib­er­a­tor at Auswich with Ron Raygun.

    This is bizarre on so many lev­els. Any­body that thinks al Quaeda in Mesopotamia has any­thing to do with Osama, or pre­dates the US inva­sion, is delu­sional. Any­body that thinks the Shia we’re sup­posed to like, as opposed to that loose can­non al Sadr, didn’t spend years drool­ing on Kahmeini’s slip­pers in Teheran instead of, oh, I don’t know, fight­ing an insur­gency against Sad­dam, well Doug Feith has a research job for you. Clas­si­fied, though, but you get to meet Rums­feld, that sexy man.

    The great­est draft dodgers the world has ever known are screw­ing with the lives of a vol­un­teer army for per­sonal profit. They’re mak­ing every effort to leave a Demo­c­rat with a briar patch, the way HW left Soma­lia and NAFTA for Clin­ton. (Clin­ton forged the labor and envi­ron­ment side agree­ments to NAFTA, but W abro­gated both, some­thing that seems to have evaded the con­cious­ness of David Sirota and all of the main­stream press.)

    Dex­ter, I remem­ber Joe Pyne. True whack­job. Hell, I heard Father Cough­lin in per­son at the Shrine. Both guys were supe­rior anti-semites, so it’s prob­a­bly good their days are gone. These days, sup­port­ing the Badr Corps makes you a friend of Iraqi free­dom (nur­tured in Iran) and, I sup­pose, a friend of Israel. Mixed up, mud­dled up, shook up world.

  38. michaelj said on April 11th, 2008 at 2:19 am

    Chris Matthews? Can’t he afford a speech ther­a­pist? Elides half the syl­la­bles. Randy New­man has him pegged. “Jesus, what a jerk.” Mr. Sheep.

  39. Sue said on April 11th, 2008 at 10:47 am

    Brian, you did not fail any­one. This was thrown at you; you had no more infor­ma­tion than any of the other par­ents who also did not speak up. I think you prob­a­bly did not real­ize the extent of the real­ity the coun­selors were try­ing to con­vey until you were in the thick of it, and that has noth­ing to do with “dither­ing”. You kept the kids you were in charge of safe and let them know you were pro­tect­ing them. I’m sure the other par­ents did too. If your school dis­trict is any­thing like mine, you would have been labeled forever­more as a wack-job par­ent if you had tried to stop it. Don’t feel bad. Your instincts are right on this. If there were any school dis­trict per­son­nel on the trip that you are com­fort­able with, a low-key phone call express­ing gen­eral con­cern might be in order. If they haven’t had any com­plaints, then you look like noth­ing more than a con­cerned par­ent. If com­plaints have been com­ing in, then you look like a calm voice in the storm. Either way you get your point across and keep com­mu­ni­ca­tion open.

  40. brian stouder said on April 11th, 2008 at 11:51 am

    Thanks Susan; I think that’s a good sug­ges­tion. Maybe I’ll infor­mally sidle up to the prin­ci­pal, and see if she’s heard any reac­tions. I saw her upon our return, and (as she bus­tled out to get to a meet­ing) men­tioned to her that I thought she might be hear­ing more about the expedition.…

  41. Edward Eugene Baskett said on April 26th, 2008 at 9:19 am

    I Call Him Christo­pher — My Let­ters to Chris Matthews of Hard­ball — Leave this peaches and cream guy alone! He has done noth­ing to bring forth such dra­con­ian ire. Read the extract from my book about him.