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The red carpet.

The 48 Hour Film Project awards were this week­end. The event was held in a loft with the sort of sci-fi-apocalypse-hello-America-this-is-your-future view Detroi­ters take for granted:

theview

That’s the Packard plant, beloved of lazy pho­to­jour­nal­ists look­ing for a tragic sym­bol of Detroit’s indus­trial decline; Jim at Sweet Juniper (and many oth­ers) reminds us fre­quently that the plant’s been closed more than half a cen­tury, but don’t let that bother you, Mr. Parachuted-in Free­lancer. Its his­tory is long and com­pli­cated and — stan­dard for around here — tragic, but the bot­tom line is, it’s been aban­doned for decades, fell into receiver­ship years ago and pre­sum­ably belongs to the city. Yes, it should be torn down, but a con­ser­v­a­tive esti­mate on what it would take to demol­ish and haul away more than 3 mil­lion square feet of Albert Kahn-designed fac­tory is in the eight fig­ures, and the city doesn’t have that kind of money. A search on Flickr demon­strates the site is a favorite of urban explor­ers; it stands open to the world now, but even they’re get­ting bored with it, and it now belongs to the scrap­pers, who are busily try­ing to take it apart from the inside, with some suc­cess and occa­sional self-injury — here’s a pretty good Bill McGraw col­umn on the state of things.

The lat­est craze is arson, and as we stood on the deck drink­ing and social­iz­ing, we could hear the sound of glass break­ing, as rest­less van­dals and scrap­pers worked out their excess testos­terone on the few remain­ing win­dows. There’s a stripped car stick­ing halfway out one of the win­dows two or three floors up; for a while I thought the project was to push it out, but no, they were fire­bugs, too:

afire

It wasn’t much of a blaze, and it didn’t last long. Accord­ing to McGraw, the city fire depart­ment doesn’t even bother respond­ing to many alarms there, and never at night — it’s just too dan­ger­ous. But 3 mil­lion square feet holds a lot of puz­zle­ment, and some of it will burn:

Kirschner said Engine 23 and other fire com­pa­nies responded to a fire recently dur­ing the day and dis­cov­ered about 25,000 square feet of shoes burn­ing. The smoke, par­tially from the shoes’ rub­ber and glue, was dan­ger­ous for the fire­fight­ers and any­one in the neigh­bor­hood who might have breathed it.

Hazardous-materials crews mon­i­tored the air Mon­day night and found no need for evac­u­a­tions. The cause of the fire was not known, but fire­fight­ers were cer­tain it was set. They called for an arson car, but none was available.

(I hope you get a sense of the weird­ness life in and around this city is, on almost a daily basis. Twenty-five thou­sand square feet of burn­ing shoes? Shrug.)

The fire was only the appe­tizer. The main course was the awards, and how did we do? Reader, we won:

thewinneris

(The award says Best Film, but I’m call­ing it Best Pic­ture until some­one tells me to stop.) This puts us in the run­ning for the nation­als, and enters us auto­mat­i­cally in Filma­palooza, held next year at the National Asso­ci­a­tion of Broad­cast­ers meet­ing in Las Vegas. I have very few illu­sions about our chances up against the fear­some teams of Los Ange­les and New York, but on the other hand, I’ve never been to Vegas, and don’t you think I should go before I die? The NAB meets in early April, a lit­tle late for spring break, but what the hell.

Yes, I’ve never been to Vegas. Atlantic City, yes, but once you’ve seen “Casino,” do you even need to go to Las Vegas? I don’t think so.

We were lucky. Ide­ally, when you make a film, you start with a story and add your ele­ments. In a chal­lenge, you start with your ele­ments (genre, prop, char­ac­ter, line of dia­logue) and craft the story around them. The time con­straints and guer­rilla ele­ment means you have to work with what you have, and this lends a cer­tain Mickey-and-Judy air of home­made chaos. Sto­ries get shoe­horned into places where some­one had a friend who would let them shoot — a haunted house, a tat­too par­lor or, in our case, the The­atre Bizarre, which was easy to work into our thriller/suspense genre draw. One team drew Musi­cal and put on a fun show called “Love Between the Lanes” at the Ypsi-Arbor Bowl (which has one of the great names, and great signs, in Michi­gan busi­ness). Another, faced with a dud genre (fan­tasy), threw up their hands and did a “Princess Bride” take­off that was pretty funny. But there was a lot of crap, too; I haven’t heard so much expos­i­tory dia­logue since, well, the last 48-hour challenge.

(Expos­i­tory dia­logue: “Hello, Bob, let me intro­duce my sis­ter Sally Mae. You may recall her from last August, when she fell into the punch­bowl at our other sis­ter Julie’s bar­be­cue, which required her to take an imme­di­ate shower. While she was rub­bing the stains from her shirt, the door opened and our brother-in-law Simon came in. He was drunk. Sally, why don’t you tell Bob what hap­pened next?” And so on.)

Watch­ing the screen­ings, I was reminded of my pal Lance Mannion’s obser­va­tion about the ter­ri­ble dia­logue in “The Deep”: No one gets out of here when they can get the hell out of here. One film had that inten­si­fier in, seem­ingly, every other line: What the hell are you doing? Who the hell do you think you’re talk­ing to? Where the hell are we? And so on. I vowed to never, ever write that again. And then watched our film, where a char­ac­ter tells another, “Lady, you need to get the hell out of here.” Wince. Live and learn.

So, then, any blog­gage to start the week? Not very much, but some:

Hank liked “Julie & Julia.” So did every­one else I know who saw it this weekend.

Over­heard in the News­room, one in a series of Over­heard blogs. Makes me miss the crazy places:

Intern: “I know what hap­pens when I assume.”
Edi­tor: “Yep. You run a correction.”

We had one crash­ing thun­der­storm a few hours ago, with another one expected around dawn. Best sleep while I can.

75 responses to
“The red carpet.”

  1. Dexter said on August 10th, 2009 at 1:55 am

    Con­grat­u­la­tions to your film crew! That is one hell of a photo. Get the hell out! Fifty years and still a mon­u­ment to the great Packard auto­mo­biles, eh? I had no idea it was still stand­ing. The HELL you say!

    http://​www​.youtube​.com/​w​a​t​c​h​?​v​=​w​o​9​G​f​R7oAIs

  2. mark said on August 10th, 2009 at 1:59 am

    Con­grat­u­la­tions on your vic­tory. That’s really great.

  3. Joe Kobiela said on August 10th, 2009 at 2:57 am

    N,
    Con­grats on the movie and nice pic­ture of you and I assume Kate?
    Just got back from a tis­sue har­vest char­ter to Evans­ville and could see the light­ning flashes up your way from south of Indy. Looks now like the worst is from Lans­ing to Grand Rapids but it is mov­ing north east and will miss Detroit.
    Sleep well.
    Pilot Joe

  4. Jolene said on August 10th, 2009 at 3:52 am

    Nancy, how under­stated of you. Ever since your Fri­day evening Face­book post say­ing you’d won, I’ve been look­ing here for a post that said, “We won! We won! We won!”

    But per­haps I shoudn’t assume that every­one would react the way I would.

    Again, con­grat­u­la­tions.

  5. coozledad said on August 10th, 2009 at 6:47 am

    Con­grat­u­la­tions.
    I saw a Packard baby grand piano once, and won­dered if they were man­u­fac­tured by the same com­pany. I’ll have to look it the hell up.
    EDIT:Turns out they were a dif­fer­ent com­pany alto­gether. They were in Fort Wayne.

  6. Connie said on August 10th, 2009 at 7:31 am

    My daugh­ter Julie and her good friend Julia felt they were des­tined to go see that movie together. Ver­dict: OK but too long.

    We headed up to Saugatuck yes­ter­day to see the final per­for­mance of the equity show my brother was doing, and got all caught up in a really nasty thun­der­storm mess on our way home, prob­a­bly what Joe was see­ing. And worse, because after being tied up or stopped in traf­fic on US 31 for almost an hour we got off and began to make our way home on coun­try roads. Just in time for the rag­ing thun­der storms that promptly flooded low spots on the road.

  7. Julie Robinson said on August 10th, 2009 at 7:38 am

    Woo-hoo! You go, girl! (Isn’t that how Oprah says congratulations?)

    Yes­ter­day a friend at church named Julia sug­gested we see the movie together with the other four Julie/Julias in our con­gre­ga­tion. But I think we should get in free.

  8. beb said on August 10th, 2009 at 7:49 am

    Speak­ing of old build­ings in Detroit, some guy in the NYT, (David From?) sug­gested that the prob­lem with Detroit was that it doesn’t trea­sure its old build­ings enough. In par­tic­u­lar he men­tioned the old train sta­tion, which cer­tainly is a lovely build­ing — from a dis­tance! But if you’ve ever actu­ally dri­ven anywhere’s close to it, you’d know it has been so thor­oughly trashed that it would be cheaper to demol­ish and build new then try to renovate.

    He also thought Detroit was plan­ning to use its TARP money to do the demoli­sion, which is a laugh because TARP is money for the bank­ing industry.

    Mean­while, the thun­der­storm Nancy men­tioned knocked out the power on our block. That hasn’t hap­pened in a num­ber of years. With­out the A/C it imme­di­ately became too stuffy to sleep so I went to work early and wrote this.

  9. coozledad said on August 10th, 2009 at 8:03 am

    Those build­ings look a lit­tle too far gone for a res­cue effort, but strictly in terms of scale, they’ve man­aged some adap­tive reuse for sim­i­lar struc­tures in Durham.
    http://​endan​gered​durham​.blogspot​.com/​2​0​0​8​/​0​3​/​b​l​a​c​k​w​e​l​l​s​-​d​u​r​h​a​m​-​t​o​b​a​c​c​o​-​a​m​e​r​i​c​a​n.html

  10. ROgirl said on August 10th, 2009 at 8:06 am

    Con­grats on the movie — excuse me, film.

    More stormy weather in the fore­cast. Wel­come to a hot and steamy August day.

  11. nancy said on August 10th, 2009 at 8:20 am

    Cooze, I think I had din­ner in one of those repur­posed tobacco ware­houses once. Alan had a month-long fel­low­ship at Duke in the early ‘90s, and I went down to visit him. The food was good, but the mem­ory stays with me for the dessert — the best choco­late cake I’ve eaten before or since.

    I’ll have to look for that David Frum column.

  12. beb said on August 10th, 2009 at 8:23 am

    I think I kind of talked around my point above, which is that if you are look­ing for “shovel-ready” jobs to use your Stim­u­las money on, Detroit has a huge list of build­ings which, like the Packard plant or the train sta­tion, are just too old, too huge, too decrepid to ever be reused, and just out of pub­lic safety ought to be torn down. Detroit could eas­ily burn through $100 mil­lion a year on clear­ing ground in hopes of new construction.

  13. nancy said on August 10th, 2009 at 8:36 am

    You know what always strikes me about these old fac­to­ries and other facil­i­ties? How close-in they are. They’re not so much from a pre-zoning past as a pre-wealth one, a place where you could sell houses that were lit­er­ally across a res­i­den­tial street from a huge smoke­stack com­plex. It’s not beyond the realm of pos­si­bil­ity that work­ers walked to their jobs when the place first opened in the early part of the cen­tury, and the idea any­one would expect peace, quiet and clean air in their neigh­bor­hood was a lux­ury only the rich could afford.

    I always heard one of the things that doomed the old Lutheran Hos­pi­tal in Fort Wayne was its place in a built-out neigh­bor­hood, that with­out room to grow (with­out demol­ish­ing hous­ing), it couldn’t thrive.

  14. brian stouder said on August 10th, 2009 at 8:47 am

    You know what always strikes me about these old fac­to­ries and other facil­i­ties? How close-in they are. They’re not so much from a pre-zoning past as a pre-wealth one, a place where you could sell houses that were lit­er­ally across a res­i­den­tial street from a huge smoke­stack complex.

    That exact impres­sion struck me, as we approached the Henry Ford Museum and Green­field Vil­lage. That com­plex is directly beside major Ford Motor Com­pany facil­i­ties (a huge Design Cen­ter was right there, plus other stuff), which was all right across the street from rows upon rows of pleas­ant brick houses –almost ALL of which had Ford cars and trucks proudly parked on their driveways.

    The thought occured that gen­er­a­tions of FoMoCo employee fam­i­lies must have lived (and con­tinue to live) there

  15. coozledad said on August 10th, 2009 at 8:51 am

    Nancy: That may have been Tav­erna Nikos.

  16. ROgirl said on August 10th, 2009 at 9:04 am

    Here’s the Frum article.

    http://​www​.new​ma​jor​ity​.com/​d​e​t​r​o​i​t​-​t​h​e​n​-​a​nd-now

    I agree that Detroit has always been very ready to destroy its past to advance its for­tunes, but that went on in all big Amer­i­can cities in the ‘60s. Iron­i­cally, the lack of money over the past 20 to 30 years has allowed the down­town sky­line to remain, with a few excep­tions, remark­ably unchanged. Of course it also caused the aban­don­ment of the rest of the city as res­i­dents and employ­ers fled.

  17. Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on August 10th, 2009 at 9:19 am

    Woo-hoo! Con­grats, and pack up for Vegas. I’ve never been there, either, but i’d take a trip if there was a rea­son to do so. It isn’t so hard to go and not gam­ble, i’m told, if you like peo­ple watch­ing. Kind of like going to the State Fair and not order­ing a turkey leg, but enjoy­ing the sight of how peo­ple try to wres­tle them into their mouths with­out wear­ing most of the sauce.

    His­toric foot­note: first national can­di­date to push for a national health care plan? Theodore Roo­sevelt. (Same wild eyed crazy to argue for eight hour work­day, tight lim­its on child labor, the vote for wom­en­folk, and vaca­tion as an employ­ment stan­dard, not a perk — of course, he thought every full-time worker should get vaca­tion so they could spend time out in the wild shoot­ing ani­mals, butcher­ing them your­self with a buck knife, and eat­ing them around the camp­fire with beans and black cof­fee, but still …)

  18. nancy said on August 10th, 2009 at 9:29 am

    Sigh:

    But here is one thing that I do learn from the book: Detroit has never been pro­tec­tive of its past. In the pros­per­ous early 1960s, it used fed­eral urban renewal funds to pull down its grand Romanesque 19th cen­tury city hall. (Detroit wants to use today’s TARP money to repeat its van­dal­ism, this time on the old train station.)

    Detroit sac­ri­ficed a hand­some row of pre-Civil War man­sions built by then-leading cit­i­zens to allow the Detroit News to erect a bland new office and print­ing block. It has erased almost all traces of its pre-automobile past from the down­town, and only lack of demo­li­tion funds pre­served its old­est sur­viv­ing down­town neigh­bor­hood, now faintly recov­er­ing as a yuppie-gay his­tor­i­cal enclave.

    Name one Amer­i­can city that’s dif­fer­ent, Mr. Frum. There are degrees of preser­va­tion­ism, true. But just as Frum would object to mod­ern thinkers using 21st-century moral­ity to shame and con­demn Christo­pher Colum­bus, you can’t look at iso­lated inci­dents of urban devel­op­ment, some made decades ago, and imply that if we’d done it dif­fer­ently the city would be dif­fer­ent today is sim­ply fatu­ous. I’m not sure when those Civil War-era man­sions were demol­ished, but chances are they were stand­ing empty at the time; today’s downtown-living urban pio­neer is not nec­es­sar­ily inter­ested in a vastly expen­sive Vic­to­rian pile stand­ing smack in the mid­dle of a con­crete down­town. And as for this:


    The sec­ond fac­tor in Detroit’s decline is the city’s defi­ant rejec­tion of edu­ca­tion and the arts. Pitts­burgh has Carnegie-Mellon. Cleve­land has Case West­ern Reserve Uni­ver­sity. Chicago has the Uni­ver­sity of Chicago, North­west­ern, and a cam­pus of the Uni­ver­sity of Illi­nois. Detroit has… Wayne State.

    A city that cel­e­brated indus­trial cul­ture spurned high cul­ture. The Detroit Insti­tute of Arts is very nice. But it does not begin to com­pare to Cleveland’s museum, let alone the Art Insti­tute of Chicago. Detroit has a sym­phony orches­tra, but its his­tory has been trou­bled and unsto­ried in com­par­i­son to Philadelphia’s or Cleveland’s.

    Detroit also has the Uni­ver­sity of Michi­gan a few miles down the road, Michi­gan State within 100 miles, and many smaller pri­vate insti­tu­tions Frum might find eas­ier to swal­low, includ­ing one of the best prep schools in the nation (Cran­brook). The DIA is not the equal of Chicago’s museum, but it cer­tainly is as good as Cleve­land — it’s a top 10 museum in the U.S. by almost any mea­sure. Of course David and Danielle loves them some sym­phony, but to say the city suf­fered a lack of cul­ture because it doesn’t have a world-class orches­tra is laugh­able, espe­cially when you con­sider it’s one of the great bottom-up enter­tain­ment cities in the world, from Motown to John Lee Hooker to the White Stripes to Eminem to…you get the picture.

    In my next life I want one of these right-wing sinecure gigs. I bet that piece took him four hours to write, and he’s prob­a­bly spend­ing August on a beach some­where, think­ing deep thoughts. Jerk.

    On edit: I’ve been think­ing of the peo­ple who, in my expe­ri­ence, howl the loud­est about his­toric preser­va­tion, about prop­erty rights and the inevitable onward march of progress, etc. Repub­li­cans all. Irony, you live on.

  19. brian stouder said on August 10th, 2009 at 9:49 am

    Well, and indeed — the afore­men­tioned Henry Ford Museum is enthralling, and Green­field Vil­lage is mar­velous; very ‘hands-on’ his­tory, before ‘hands-on’ was in fash­ion. World class stuff, I’d say — that’s nowhere else but Detroit.

    It was appeal­ing to the young folks, and indeed the dis­play on Women’s Suf­frage made a huge impres­sion on Shelby (our 11 year old) and me; as did the Rosa Parks bus.

    We’d go right back.

    PS — it WAS funny to see the Detroit News auto-gyro hang­ing from the ceil­ing at the Henry! Now THERE was an extrav­a­gant out­lay, from the newspaper’s salad days!

  20. Linda said on August 10th, 2009 at 9:55 am

    Of course David and Danielle loves them some sym­phony, but to say the city suf­fered a lack of cul­ture because it doesn’t have a world-class orches­tra is laugh­able, espe­cially when you con­sider it’s one of the great bottom-up enter­tain­ment cities in the world, from Motown to John Lee Hooker to the White Stripes to Eminem to…you get the pic­ture.

    Nancy, that’s pop­u­lar enter­tain­ment, and it doesn’t count. Detroit has an incred­i­ble con­flu­ence of musi­cal influ­ences from the South­ern black and white dias­pora, but none of it counts, I guess, because you don’t wear a tux to lis­ten to it. It’s a city that birthed enor­mous social trans­for­ma­tion – turn­ing mil­lions of share­crop­pers, coal min­ers, and peas­ants into urban fac­tory work­ers, so that their kids could be the sub­ur­ban mid­dle class. I’m proud to call this my home­town. Of course, it helps that every­body thinks you’re a tough SOB if you grew up there. :D

    And con­grat­u­la­tions on your victory!

  21. Duffy said on August 10th, 2009 at 10:09 am

    My new favorite Cana­dian band has a great tune and video about Detroit.

    http://​www​.youtube​.com/​w​a​t​c​h​?​v​=​r​C​i​1​7​SEPgpc

  22. MichaelG said on August 10th, 2009 at 10:11 am

    Con­grat­u­la­tions on the film win! There’s noth­ing as roman­tic as April in Vegas. You’re gonna love it. Kate is really grow­ing up. Saw my grand kids this week­end and the same thing is hap­pen­ing to them. So when do we get to see the film?

  23. jeff borden said on August 10th, 2009 at 10:32 am

    Con­grat­u­la­tions. I look for­ward to see­ing you and your crew on the red car­pet in the near future.

    If you are not enthralled by the man-made attrac­tions of Las Vegas, may I rec­om­mend you rent a car and drive into Death Val­ley? (Make sure you have a FULL tank of gas, by the way.) We were there about 15 years ago for the President’s Day week­end, and had quickly run through what small amount of cash we had to spend on the gam­ing tables. We rented a car and drove off, first, to an Alpine-like devel­op­ment above the tree lines north of Vegas, then into Death Val­ley. It was a phe­nom­e­nal expe­ri­ence, par­tic­u­larly as we drove out under a full moon. Man, that is some des­o­late ter­ri­tory, but absolutely gor­geous in its aus­ter­ity under moon­light. I have one photo we took dur­ing the after­noon using one of those panorama cam­eras: There is not a speck of green visible.

  24. Rana said on August 10th, 2009 at 10:50 am

    I can point you to a few good places to visit in Las Vegas, if you like — from the per­spec­tive of an aca­d­e­mic with­out much money and not much incli­na­tion to gam­ble. (Though if you do wish to do that, Cir­cus Cir­cus is good for nickel machine poker, and the Hard Rock Casino is good for every­thing else.)

    Other places to visit — the Luxor (see if you can bribe a secu­rity guy into let­ting you ride one of the diag­o­nal ele­va­tors — we’ve never man­aged it), is mind-bending weird inside, with a minia­ture city inside the pyra­mid. There’s a great Japan­ese restau­rant in one of the big fancy shop­ping cen­ters (on the side with Caesar’s Palace, a bit down the strip away from the newer casi­nos). If you keep head­ing north down the strip into the older parts, the casi­nos become enter­tain­ingly seedy (and increas­ingly smoky).

    Off-strip, the gar­dens at the Uni­ver­sity are really nice (and rather an oasis when it’s hot), and if you can, rent a car and go see the Hoover Dam. Words can’t describe how amaz­ingly huge it is, and you can get a squished penny with an Art-Deco worker telling you that “they died to build the dam.”

    The one thing that’s a real pain about Las Vegas is get­ting around, at least if you don’t park your­self in one of the casi­nos and sit there. Las Vegas is big, and the blocks are going to be much longer than you might expect. Dri­ving, at least on the strip, is a has­sle, because of all the tourists walk­ing and the busses and the elderly sun­birds dri­ving badly (and the younger hot shots dri­ving like nuts). Off-strip, a car is prob­a­bly a good idea. The Las Vegas bus sys­tem is quite good, and you can get to it by head­ing east from the strip (I’d check with Google before going). Again, be warned that walk­ing there might be longer than you’d think, even if it’s only a few blocks. Since you’re going in April, you shouldn’t have to worry about heat (but bring jeans and a fleece for night­time), but it’s hard going on pave­ment. Wear comfy shoes!

  25. LAMary said on August 10th, 2009 at 11:01 am

    Sorry to be a dis­senter on Vegas. I used to work at a head­hunt­ing firm that sent the mon­ey­mak­ers to Vegas as a reward. Even free, with a nice room and all expenses paid, I hate Vegas. Gam­bling doesn’t do any­thing for me and I don’t drink. I won sev­enty bucks play­ing video poker while wait­ing to check out of the hotel. I guess that’s something.

    Con­grat­u­la­tions on the film. Excel­lent news. Nora Ephron started direct­ing at about your age, no?

    It looks like Kate has entered that stretch where one occa­sion­ally con­sid­ers trad­ing the kid in for a ham­ster or some­thing eas­ier to main­tain. She may be an excep­tion. I’m not see­ing any­thing in the photo to assume she’s enter­ing that phase. I just know I’ve sur­vived the 12 – 14 phase twice and I don’t miss it.

  26. alex said on August 10th, 2009 at 11:03 am

    So what kind of car was stick­ing out of the third-floor win­dow of the Packard fac­tory? There’s still Packards in there?

  27. Rana said on August 10th, 2009 at 11:10 am

    Gam­bling doesn’t do any­thing for me and I don’t drink.

    LAMary, I hear you on that. That about describes me as well. My trick to sur­viv­ing Las Vegas is to focus on the things like eat­ing and (window)shopping that are also on the strip, and, more, to sim­ply get away from the strip entirely. UNLV is worth a visit, and some of the sur­round­ing desert is quite nice for cool weather hikes and such. Again, though, the con­sid­er­a­tion is trans­porta­tion. If you’re stuck on the strip in the sum­mer, doing any­thing other than blow­ing money while sit­ting in the AC is going to be challenging.

  28. moe99 said on August 10th, 2009 at 11:18 am

    Con­grat­u­la­tions!

  29. brian stouder said on August 10th, 2009 at 11:20 am

    I’m not see­ing any­thing in the photo to assume she’s enter­ing that phase.

    Well, our 11 year old daugh­ter recently talked her mother into doing the highlights-in-her-hair thing, which was a fairly large.…not ‘concession’ — but more like ‘accord’; if those two ‘tan­gle’ over any­thing, it’s the younger lady’s hair care.

    They went lightly on this first-go at high­lights, and then after a very pleas­ant 2 days on the beach (near Hol­land, MI), the high­light­ing became more pronounced.…and every­one was pleased

  30. LAMary said on August 10th, 2009 at 11:31 am

    It’s not the high­lights. It’s ran­dom exas­per­at­ing moments.

  31. Sarah Kenny said on August 10th, 2009 at 11:37 am

    Sooner or later the Packard Plant will col­lapse on top of a bunch of home­less peo­ple and every­one will be ask­ing why it was never imploded.

    Julie and Julia was fan­tas­tic. I dragged my hus­band to it and he ended up lov­ing it too.

  32. ROgirl said on August 10th, 2009 at 11:41 am

    If we’re going to bemoan the whole­sale destruc­tion of neigh­bor­hoods that had long existed and the relo­ca­tion of their inhab­i­tants in the name of civic plan­ning and urban devel­op­ment, we need only look at the hand­i­work of Baron Hauss­mann in 19th cen­tury Paris (hired by the emperor).

    He destroyed the old medieval Paris and cre­ated the wide boule­vards, build­ings of uni­form height and style, and gar­dens that make up Paris today. He also cleared the slums from the cen­tral dis­tricts to build mid­dle class hous­ing, and moved the poor to out­ly­ing areas, the suburbs.

    He also estab­lished a clean water sup­ply and built the sewer sys­tem, but the wide boule­vards also allowed the gov­ern­ment to crush rebel­lions with greater ease, and he was crit­i­cized in his day for destroy­ing the old Paris.

    David Frum was born in Toronto, so he grew up in a city where most of the arts and cul­tural insti­tu­tions were sub­si­dized by the government.

  33. Connie said on August 10th, 2009 at 11:45 am

    Brian, you went to the beach near my home town and didn’t even sk me for tourist tips or a restau­rant rec­om­men­da­tion? Hope you had fun.

  34. LAMary said on August 10th, 2009 at 12:12 pm

    I don’t remem­ber if it was Bill Maher, Jon Stew­art, or Harry Shearer who said it, but one of them described David Frum as the guy who cre­ated a three word quote and has been run­ning a vic­tory lap about it for the past five years. The quote was “Axis of evil.”

  35. 4dbirds said on August 10th, 2009 at 12:16 pm

    Con­grats Nancy, or as we say in poker, SHIP IT!!. I love poker and visit Vegas about once a year to play. There’s lots to do if you have some free time and you don’t have play a sin­gle slot or table game. The only game you can ever con­sis­tantly win at is poker, every­thing else the house will get you even­tu­ally. That’s real poker not that 3 card thing played on a black­jack table. Hubby and I love to peo­ple watch while there. We’ve seen it all from trag­i­cally sad to rip roar­ing funny. We like to hike in Red Rock Canyon. Our favorite pool with a lazy river is at the MGM Grand. We usu­ally have a steak din­ner at Gal­laghers in New York, New York. There’s a boat ride on Lake Meade and you can actu­ally see wild life. Hoover Dam is bor­ing, to me but I guess you have to go to see it at least once. I hear you can’t drive on top of it any­more. There are horse back rid­ing trips through the desert. My back­side hurt for hours after that. You can also get in a side trip to the Grand Canyon. My sis­ter lived in Vegas for five years and never once stepped foot in a casino. It can be done. :-)

  36. brian stouder said on August 10th, 2009 at 12:19 pm

    Con­nie — we LOVED it! The Old Dutch Vil­lage was pretty kitschy, which is to say — bor­ing to our 14 year old, but delight­ful to our 5 year old, and inter­est­ing to the 11 year old. (walk­ing the goat became a mini-drama, but I digress)

    Pam had been there as a lit­tle girl, and the con­trast between what she remem­bered and what we saw was hugely funny to her and I!

    Any­way — we did the din­ner cruise (from one end of Lake Macatawa, out the chan­nel and into Lake Michi­gan, and back again), which was very nice until the captain’s wife did karaoke (between songs, Shelby asked for a dol­lar to place into her tip jar, and a crusty fel­low across the way stage whis­pered “Why do you want to tip HER?”), and the beach, and a very nice steak­house near the hotel, and a fran­chise Ital­ian place that was VERY nice (can’t recall the name, but it was some­thing like Cabellas).…and we were very impressed with how nice the park and play­ground was, near the east end of Lake Macatawa.

  37. Connie said on August 10th, 2009 at 1:03 pm

    Brian, many years ago I was one of those teenaged girls in Dutch cos­tume and wooden shoes doing exhi­bi­tion danc­ing at Dutch Vil­lage. Per­haps I am in Pam’s child­hood photos.

  38. Julie Robinson said on August 10th, 2009 at 1:04 pm

    Exper­i­ment­ing with hair color is pretty small change for early teens; no dan­ger­ous con­se­quences and it’ll even­tu­ally grow out. Our son was in 6th or 7th grade when he vis­ited his big sis­ter at collge and came back a red­head. Appar­ently this was a big shock at school because we were known for being strict par­ents. It looked good on him, actu­ally – even more like the Irish lad­die that he is. He did it a few more times before get­ting bored with it, and so far, no mohawks or blue hair. I’d be okay with those too but I don’t think he’d look his best. His form of hair rebel­lion these days is that just when it gets long enough that we like it, he gets it cut. Cue cho­rus of “Kids, I don’t know what wrong with these kids today…”

  39. Dorothy said on August 10th, 2009 at 1:07 pm

    Hip hip hooray on the win!

    And count me among the ones who’d rather not go to Vegas. But I hope you have fun there, and con­tinue win­ning. I’m not a gam­bler or a drinker either, but I hear it’s a great place to do some people-watching. As a sometime-actress I can’t get enough of that kind of stuff.

  40. Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on August 10th, 2009 at 1:23 pm

    Re: Axes of Frums: It was his wife who came up with the line, as a mat­ter of fact.

    What we need is a mod­ern day Dick­ens to reframe the cur­rent scene along the lines of Chap­ter XIII of “The Pick­wick Papers,” of which i append this small selec­tion out of the elec­tion­eer­ing in the bor­ough of Eatanswill –

    ‘Hur­rah!’ shouted the mob, in conclusion.

    ‘One cheer more,’ screamed the lit­tle fugle­man in the bal­cony, and out
    shouted the mob again, as if lungs were cast-iron, with steel works.

    ‘Slumkey for ever!’ roared the hon­est and independent.

    ‘Slumkey for ever!’ echoed Mr. Pick­wick, tak­ing off his hat. ‘No
    Fizkin!’ roared the crowd.

    ‘Cer­tainly not!’ shouted Mr. Pick­wick. ‘Hur­rah!’ And then there was
    another roar­ing, like that of a whole menagerie when the ele­phant has
    rung the bell for the cold meat.

    ‘Who is Slumkey?’ whis­pered Mr. Tupman.

    ‘I don’t know,’ replied Mr. Pick­wick, in the same tone. ‘Hush. Don’t ask
    any ques­tions. It’s always best on these occa­sions to do what the mob
    do.’

    ‘But sup­pose there are two mobs?’ sug­gested Mr. Snodgrass.

    ‘Shout with the largest,’ replied Mr. Pickwick.

    Vol­umes could not have said more.

    http://​www​.guten​berg​.org/​e​t​e​xt/580

  41. brian stouder said on August 10th, 2009 at 2:03 pm

    Con­nie — when we took in the wooden-shoe danc­ing show, Pam got a kick (so to speak) out of the moment when one of the dancers’ wooden shoes flies off (as we had been warned could hap­pen!) and splashes into the creek. She whis­pered to me that the exact thing hap­pened when she was a lit­tle girl, and then (cue trum­pets flour­ish) it hit her that it was part of the act!

    Sure enough, some­time later we took in a Delft pot­tery demon­stra­tion, and upon walk­ing out, saw one of the girls fish­ing a wooden show from the creek again.

    Some­where, we have a VHS tape (made from an 8mm home movie) of Pam’s trip there.…and now I shall have to find it!

    edit: re: hair: The ‘high­light accord’ wasn’t really the source of con­tention. Instead, the (con­tin­u­ing) issue is keep­ing one’s hair reg­u­larly brushed, so as to avoid tan­gled wreck­age… or at least, that’s what I gather, from a safe distance

  42. whitebeard said on August 10th, 2009 at 3:10 pm

    As every­one, includ­ing NNC, should know, win­ning isn’t every­thing, but hot damn, it surely feels good. My con­grat­u­la­tions on your win.

  43. derwood said on August 10th, 2009 at 3:12 pm

    Con­grats!!

    I went to Vegas a few years ago and spent most of the time find­ing all of the arcades to play pin­ball. I rode the coast­ers too.

    When can we see your creation?

    daron

  44. Dexter said on August 10th, 2009 at 3:44 pm

    The shut­tered Auburn, Indi­ana foundry on 15th Street is an exam­ple of urban close-in busi­nesses that could never oper­ate now, I assume.
    Houses line the street just a few feet from the walls of the place. The pol­lu­tion was hor­ri­ble, the stench wafted through the win­dows of the McIn­tosh School just a few blocks away, my brother told me.
    The loud bang­ing foundry noise was awful, even to ride by quickly on a bicy­cle.
    Good riddance…but then there are a few hun­dred more unem­ployed.…
    Jenflex…what do you think?

  45. Dexter said on August 10th, 2009 at 3:52 pm

    Rana: your descrip­tion of the NV dri­vers reminds me of what a cop told me in Florida a few years ago regard­ing US 19 dri­vers on the Sun­coast.
    “You have old peo­ple who are dis­ori­ented every time they drive, doc­tors roar­ing around in sports cars, con­fused tourists, locals, and teenagers who can drive here at age 15…that’s why we have wrecks on this road all the time.“
    We saw wrecks at three con­sec­u­tive inter­sec­tions near Dunedin and I was ever-so-cautious the whole week after that.

  46. Scout said on August 10th, 2009 at 4:28 pm

    Nancy, great news about the big win! You’ll likely enjoy Vegas for the visu­als, espe­cially at night. For most, once will usu­ally do it for the been there, done thats. My daugh­ter and fam­ily live there and we might check out the strip every cou­ple of vis­its. I enjoy the danc­ing foun­tains at the Bel­la­gio, with a quick pass through the Venet­ian and Paris, then I’m done.

  47. crinoidgirl said on August 10th, 2009 at 5:41 pm

    Brian @ 14:

    Henry Ford built most of those homes for Ford work­ers, actu­ally. (I worked as an engi­neer at Ford for 24 years. Sev­eral years were spent in that build­ing you describe that was the design stu­dio long ago.)

  48. LAMary said on August 10th, 2009 at 6:42 pm

    When I worked doing gen­eral scut­work and research for the NYT Rocky Moun­tain Bureau in the sev­en­ties, I dealt with bales of info about water use and the lack of water in the west. We also worked sto­ries about the power plants in Utah that cre­ate the cruddy air that hangs over the Grand Canyon. When I see Vegas, with the foun­tains and the lights, I think of the cost. That prob­a­bly makes me a real jerk about envi­ron­men­tal­ism, but I can’t get past it.

  49. nancy said on August 10th, 2009 at 6:46 pm

    I always thought that was the point of the Bel­la­gio foun­tains — scarcity and lux­ury. (They prob­a­bly have some ginned-up PR expla­na­tion for how “green” it is, how the water is extracted from the tears of depart­ing gam­blers and, hence, infi­nitely sus­tain­able.) It’s like the indoor ski slope in Dubai, i.e., looky what we can do.

  50. LAMary said on August 10th, 2009 at 7:31 pm

    It is the point and it offends me. I don’t have any prob­lems with peo­ple going to Vegas to gam­ble and drink and make asses of them­selves. Per­son­ally, I’d rather take that money and either buy some­thing tan­gi­ble or stick in the kids’ col­lege fund. I’m not a Vegas sort of per­son. I want to go around switch­ing off lights and turn­ing off the water. To the untrained eye, I’m no fun.

  51. basset said on August 10th, 2009 at 9:01 pm

    Never been to Las Vegas, don’t care to go. Noth­ing there for me except the Bea­t­les remix show, wher­ever that’s play­ing, and I sup­pose there are a few places to get a good steak, oth­er­wise I don’t even want to pass through their airport.

    Back to fac­to­ries for a minute — here in Nashville we have a whole neigh­bor­hood of streets with Ford-related names:

    http://​www​.mapquest​.com/​m​a​p​s​?​c​i​t​y​=​N​a​s​h​v​i​l​l​e​&​a​m​p​;​s​t​a​t​e​=​T​N​&​a​m​p​;​a​d​d​r​e​s​s​=​F​o​r​d​o​m​a​t​i​c​+Drive

    Ford had an auto-glass plant here for awhile, it’s still run­ning but I’m not sure if it’s Ford, Vis­teon, or what. In true mid-20th-century fash­ion, it’s sur­rounded by a high­way, a junk­yard, and a small air­port; Joe, if you ever come into JWN from the north, it’ll be the smoke­stacks to your left.

  52. brian stouder said on August 10th, 2009 at 9:21 pm

    To the untrained eye, I’m no fun. For some rea­son, this struck me as very funny — and I’m still chuck­ling! (I sup­pose it begs the ques­tion, what would the proper ‘train­ing’ con­sist of?) I’ve no doubt that Mary is great fun to be around, with her per­cep­tive­ness and her wealth of funny stories.

    and another thing that made me laugh this evening is this arti­cle, about my fave race car dri­ver of all time (other than the late Greg Moore), Michael Schu­macher. He’s 40 and has been retired for three years, and this arti­cle details the strug­gles of the out-of-shape 7-times World Cham­pion as he works to make a cred­i­ble come­back to the sport, in the wake of Fil­ipe Massa’s season-ending injuries at Hungary.

    Actu­ally, skip the text, and scroll down to see the pic­ture of shirt­less Schuie, and all that flab he has to some­how work off

    http://​news​.bbc​.co​.uk/​s​p​o​r​t​2​/​h​i​/​m​o​t​o​r​s​p​o​r​t​/​f​o​r​m​u​l​a​_​o​n​e​/​8​1​8​6​3​19.stm

    Bas­set — the one thing I couldn’t talk the young folks into was the Rouge Fac­tory Tour; when­ever we go back there (and, I’d go back tomor­row!) we’re doing the factory!

  53. 4dbirds said on August 10th, 2009 at 9:33 pm

    Bas­sett, are you talk­ing about LOVE, the Cirque du Soleil show? We saw that but to tell you the truth, I was more intrigued by the mechan­ics and tim­ing of the whole pro­duc­tion. I couldn’t keep my eyes off the ceil­ing to check where all the gears and pul­leys were in rela­tion to the acrobats.

  54. MichaelG said on August 10th, 2009 at 9:42 pm

    I was also really tick­led by that “untrained eye” com­ment, Mary.

    Brian, I never could stand Michael Schu­macher, although I give him full marks for his tal­ents and skills. He always seemed like an ass­hole to me. I’m will­ing to be con­vinced oth­er­wise but I’ll take a lot of convincing.

    When they get around to blow­ing up the Packard plant, maybe they could hire that Turk­ish demo out­fit. I’m sure that after the other day they’ll be will­ing to work cheap.

  55. Old Lino Operator said on August 10th, 2009 at 9:43 pm

    Re: Health care. Samuel Mil­ton Jones was not a national polit­i­cal can­di­date, but he was mayor of Toledo, Ohio, and ran for gov­er­nor of Ohio. His com­pany ran by “the golden rule.” It pro­vided employee ben­e­fits in the 1890s that the adjunct pro­fes­sor teach­ing the his­tory course in the 1990s did not have. Accord­ing to Man­tle Jones’ book, every­one in Toledo who was not in jail was at his funeral or lin­ing the route to the cemetery.

    Man­tle Jones. Holy Toledo: Reli­gion and Pol­i­tics in the Life of “Golden Rule” Jones. Lex­ing­ton: Uni­ver­sity Press of Ken­tucky, 1998. Pp. 232. Bib­li­og­ra­phy. Illus­tra­tions. Index. Cloth, $29.95.

  56. Linda said on August 10th, 2009 at 9:57 pm

    L.A. Mary:
    Re: your non-love for Las Vegas. It reminded me of a Mike Downey quote: “There’s noth­ing wrong with Las Vegas that a neu­tron bomb wouldn’t fix.”

  57. Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on August 10th, 2009 at 10:13 pm

    I love the regret­tably apoc­ryphal tale of Thorsten Veblen, the econ­o­mist who coined the term “con­spic­u­ous con­sump­tion,” using lawns as his orig­i­nal explan­tory metaphor. The story that turns out to be too good to be true is that he wore a safety pin in place of a tie bar, and his stu­dents liked his lec­tur­ing and style so much that they col­lected funds from the whole class and bought him an actual, jew­elry store tie barand gave it to him on the last day of class.

    So he flunked them all for not get­ting what he was say­ing about con­spic­u­ous consumption.

  58. Joe Kobiela said on August 10th, 2009 at 10:19 pm

    Bas­sett,
    I’ll keep my eyes open.
    Brian, I want to due the Rouge also. I flew over it tonight, the place is huge with a lot of his­tory in there.
    Pilot Joe

  59. basset said on August 10th, 2009 at 10:24 pm

    We did the Rouge tour in about 1978 or 79, I remem­ber they were mak­ing Fox-body Mus­tangs and Capris. Don’t know why Ford let any­one see inside the place, it couldn’t have been good for the image — dark, trash every­where, guys on the line goof­ing off and mak­ing rude com­ments to the women on the tour, basi­cally looked like every­thing you expect is wrong with a US auto plant.

    Nis­san and Sat­urn were the exact oppo­site a few years later — well-lit, clean, orga­nized, much more of a sense of purpose.

    4dBirds, I did mean the LOVE show — the audio cd was inter­est­ing, if only to expe­ri­ence the old stuff mixed so you could hear every­thing. Sounds like the Thomp­son­ian approach would be best for that.

  60. moe99 said on August 10th, 2009 at 10:49 pm

    LA Mary: My grand­mother, Helen Cullen, from Pauld­ing OH, told me about tak­ing the train to Las Vegas in the early 50’s. It arrived in Vegas at night and she said you could see the sky lit up for many, many miles before the train arrived there.

  61. brian stouder said on August 10th, 2009 at 11:15 pm

    the place is huge with a lot of his­tory in there.

    Joe — I remem­ber read­ing a remark in Watts’ biog­ra­phy of Henry Ford that back in the day, the River Rouge plant received train-loads of iron ore on one end, and Model T’s came out the other — and that the only com­po­nent they pur­chased from else­where was Fire­stone tires.

    It was said that the River Rouge plant was the clos­est thing to hell on earth, with the unceas­ing fire and heat from the blast fur­naces, and the cacaphony atten­dant with the unceas­ing pro­duc­tion and assem­bly process.

    I wanted to see the place where the Model T’s came from.…but indeed, I gotta say — rid­ing in one at Green­field Vil­lage was a gen­uinely delight­ful highlight.

    The fel­low dri­ving said only two com­po­nents in the Model Ts they run there are non-original; safety glass in the wind­shield replaces the plate glass they once had, and…the nut behind the wheel!

    One last thing about Green­field Vil­lage that made a big impres­sion on us was how con­sis­tently friendly, infor­ma­tive, con­ver­sant, and indeed proud all the peo­ple who work there were. It cer­tainly helped that Ford had just announced an oper­at­ing profit; the folks there sim­ply radi­ated pride and purpose

  62. basset said on August 10th, 2009 at 11:55 pm

    The High­land Park plant is the real home of the T, the first place they were man­u­fac­tured; believe it’s a stor­age build­ing now.

  63. Dexter said on August 11th, 2009 at 1:23 am

    It’s ten bucks but it’s worth it…the Piquette Avenue Model T plant.
    http://​www​.tplex​.org/

  64. Dexter said on August 11th, 2009 at 1:25 am

    Ben Stiller is an inter­est­ing guy…check out his Twit­ter page:

    https://​twit​ter​.com/​R​e​d​H​ourBen

  65. basset said on August 11th, 2009 at 8:40 am

    ahh, you’re right, Piquette Ave. was first… didn’t know it was a museum, looks interesting.

  66. LAMary said on August 11th, 2009 at 10:57 am

    My sons devel­oped a dis­like for Michael Schu­macher. I under­stand he has a rep­u­ta­tion for being a real bastard.

    I took the train from LA to Flagstaff once and yes, you can see Vegas glow­ing for many miles before you get there. Glow­ing doesn’t even begin to describe it. It’s like it’s day­light in Vegas and mid­night fifty miles out.

  67. brian stouder said on August 11th, 2009 at 11:43 am

    Mary and Michael — 

    Well, if I hadn’t been smit­ten with Michael Schu­macher in 1994, I guess I’d agree with these unkind assess­ments of him! But back at that time, Schuey was dri­ving a Benet­ton car (quite beau­ti­ful, with its “united col­ors of Benet­ton” liv­ery!) with a cus­tomer Ford engine, and Ayr­ton Senna was killed in a Williams with the almighty Renault engine — I think 3 or 4 races into the sea­son (at Imola, Italy). From that time for­ward to the end of the year, it seemed like the FIA was work­ing over­time to stop Schuey from win­ning the World Cham­pi­onship. They banned him from races for pass­ing a car on the instal­la­tion lap (BEFORE the race began!), and for wear­ing out the skid plate beneath the car (!!), and in one race he lost every­thing but 3rd gear and still fin­ished in the points…and he won the World Cham­pi­onship ver­sus Damon Hill.…who I SHOULD have liked, since he man­fully took over for the departed Senna, in a poten­tially unsafe car, and who nearly won the cham­pi­onship. That MIGHT have been the year Schuey smacked into Hill in the last race, tak­ing each other out, and lock­ing in the cham­pi­onship — or maybe not.…but the deal was sealed, and I was a Schuey fan then and thence for­ward, forever.

    Then, Benet­ton switched from the Ford power to the almighty Renault, and Schuey made it look easy in 1995.…and mean­while Fer­rari looked com­i­cally bad, with Jean Alesi and Ger­hard Berger hap­lessly scor­ing few points and gen­er­ally being non-factors.…and then Schuey went to Fer­rari in 1996, and raised the level over there, ’til peo­ple ulti­mately said “well yes, Schuey wins, but he’s always in the best car” — ignoring the fact that Schu­macher him­self raises the game of what­ever team he’s on, and improves the per­for­mance of what­ever car he’s in, until the team and the car become “the best”.

    Any­way — he’s going to run a few more races, and I think he’ll get a win or two — and light a fire beneath Kimi Raikko­nen (who I think is the most over-paid guy in rac­ing!), and he’ll leave things bet­ter than he found them, as always.

    As for folks who DON’T like Schuey — I get it; And — it’s all in fun, really — at least from the cheap seats! You know, speak­ing ‘cheap seats’, when For­mula One would come to Indi­anapo­lis, I always went to the Sat­ur­day practice/qualifying…lots and lots of racey cars (and racey other things!) to see, and for cheap! And — I’ve been in mar­velously funny con­ver­sa­tions with other fans in the stands time and again. One older fel­low — who had flown in from Cal­i­for­nia with a buddy while their wives shopped in Chicago — saw my Schuey shirt and started a mock-serious har­rangue about how ter­ri­ble Schu­macher was. Some­hwere in there, he men­tioned that Schuey would have been a death-camp guard for the Nazis, if he had been born 50 years sooner! — and I said ‘No, no — he’d have been an ace pilot in the Luftwaffe’ — and the guy didn’t miss a beat, imme­di­ately retort­ing “and he’d be straf­ing civil­ians every chance he got”!! Had to laugh — they guy just didn’t like Schuey!

  68. brian stouder said on August 11th, 2009 at 12:11 pm

    And speak­ing of the devil -

    http://​news​.bbc​.co​.uk/​s​p​o​r​t​2​/​h​i​/​m​o​t​o​r​s​p​o​r​t​/​f​o​r​m​u​l​a​_​o​n​e​/​8​1​8​6​3​19.stm

    an excerpt:

    Seven-time For­mula 1 cham­pion Michael Schu­macher has aban­doned his come­back with Fer­rari because of a neck injury.

    Too bad on the one hand; and a relief, on the other

  69. Dave said on August 11th, 2009 at 4:33 pm

    Late com­ment, as usual, but never been to Vegas, other than maybe some enter­tain­ment, don’t care to go. The one casino boat I’ve been to, I couldn’t get off fast enough, noise, smoke, not a gam­bler. OTOH, Vegas may be one of those places you should see once. Maybe.

    Ah, Route 19 on the Sun­coast, my MIL lives in Palm Har­bor, just north of Dunedin. Route 19 is always an adven­ture and we got a rental car totaled by a com­pletely inat­ten­tive 40-something dri­ver with a sus­pended license near the Dunedin-Palm Har­bor bor­der. She got out of the car and sat on the pave­ment with her head in her hands, she wouldn’t talk to us and barely spoke to the police. Luck­ily, we walked away, more or less, although it didn’t do my MIL any good.

  70. poochlover said on August 11th, 2009 at 8:31 pm

    Shut up! That CANNOT be Kate!!!

  71. basset said on August 11th, 2009 at 9:07 pm

    I don’t under­stand the appeal of F1 at all. Back in the Six­ties, when Dan Gur­ney and Phil Hill were run­ning, well, maybe. Now, though, with no Amer­i­can cars and no Amer­i­can dri­vers… who cares? Nobody to pull for.

  72. brian stouder said on August 11th, 2009 at 11:24 pm

    A good point, bas­set. I’ve stopped to pon­der why F1 appealed to me — and one real rea­son (back in the day) was — gen­er­ally you could watch a live broad­cast early in the morn­ing, and then it’s over; as opposed to a 4 hour mid-afternoon NASCAR snoozefest.

    Another thing is, it really does look very cool. The cars are beau­ti­ful, and their high-revving engines have a sat­is­fy­ing, pow­er­ful sound­ing scream. And the stand­ing starts are exquis­ite; and the rareness of hav­ing a safety car on the track is neat. If a racer is 1/2 sec­ond a lap quicker than another, then the lead he builds up gen­er­ally doesn’t get taken away by a full-course NASCAR-style “debris” caution…NASCAR makes sure to keep the cars in a pack and con­cen­trates on strength­en­ing the walls (as Dale Earn­hardt shrewdly observed), rather than let­ting the bet­ter cars leave the lesser ones in the dust.

    The truth, in my esti­ma­tion, is that a per­son can get sucked into being a fan of almost any­thing for whatver rea­son — and then once there’s a con­nec­tion (you develop favorites, or anti-favorites, or what­ever), you’re locked in.

    By rights, F1 should have imploded as badly as Amer­i­can open-wheel did, by now.…and they keep danc­ing on the edge of the cliff. They dumped their US and Cana­dian race dates — thus becom­ing totally absent from their biggest spon­sors’ largest mar­ket in the world — North Amer­ica; they almost had an Amer­i­can style split this sum­mer, they dan­gled a pot­ne­tially fan-pleasing return of Schuey (which ain’t hap­pen­ing), and they seem to be ready to EXCLUDE the Renault team and its hand­some for­mer World Cham­pion Fer­nando Alonso from rac­ing in his home country’s race in 10 days!! They seem to go out of their way to court finan­cial disaster!

    Not for noth­ing, I USED to be a base­ball fan, and fell away from it; and I used to be an Amer­i­can open-wheel fan, and fell away from it…so who knows?

  73. bo-regard said on August 12th, 2009 at 9:09 am

    Con­grats on the “pic­ture”! Where/when can we see it? I went to the project web­site but couldn’t find it…

  74. basset said on August 12th, 2009 at 2:58 pm

    Safety car? How does that work?

    I gen­er­ally pre­fer to watch races where an inde­pen­dent has a chance — as late as the Sev­en­ties, you could still build a car in your own shop, take it to Indy, and have a chance of mak­ing the race with­out multimillion-dollar spon­sor­ships and mar­ket­ing plans. Eighty or ninety cars would show up back then, too… and now, they’re hav­ing trou­ble get­ting a full field of 33. The rules left room for inno­va­tion, too — you could always count on Mickey Thomp­son or the Granatelli broth­ers or some­one show­ing up with some­thing weird, now the cars are pretty much all clones.

    Bill France the elder is sup­posed to have said that the ideal field for a Cup race was “five cars that can win, and the rest for them to run through” — but, even back in the old days, NASCAR was noto­ri­ous for throw­ing ques­tion­able cau­tions if the race got to be a runaway.

    And, on another topic — Cooz, Packard may not have made pianos, but Stude­baker made watches. You could look it up… they were sold under another name, but the same Stude­baker fam­ily owned the factory.

  75. Mosef said on August 13th, 2009 at 10:40 am

    You are a great writer and sto­ry­teller. I am glad to hear about your suc­cess in a new medium.