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Farewell, lively dancer.

God, I hate it when NPR tries to be hip. I also hate it when they show will­ful obtuse­ness in the face of pop cul­ture. On this score, I’m impos­si­ble to please, and should prob­a­bly just tune out when they try some­thing like an “appre­ci­a­tion” of Patrick Swayze, which didn’t quite work. Terry Gross could have han­dled it, but she’s got her own fish to fry, and can’t be pop­ping in to the other shows to give them notes.

It’s hard to say what was wrong with the Swayze piece; maybe it was done by some­one too young to really grasp the dual won­der and dis­ap­point­ment of the guy — he was always the best thing in a bad movie, but couldn’t really make the leap to good ones. He belonged in a dif­fer­ent era, when his Gene Kelly com­bi­na­tion of phys­i­cal grace and unques­tioned mas­culin­ity could have been pack­aged in his own “Sin­gin’ in the Rain.” Either that, or he needed to live a lit­tle longer, until Quentin Taran­tino could have built a script around him, like he did for John Tra­volta and Robert Forster. As it is, he’ll be remem­bered for doing his best work in indi­vid­ual scenes where he could shine — the last few min­utes of “Dirty Danc­ing,” the Chippendale’s sketch from “Sat­ur­day Night Live” — rather than one sin­gle movie.

If you’re a fan of “Point Break,” I don’t want to hear about it.

And while I hate it when blog­gers link to their own past work like it’s some sort of schol­ar­ship, I reread what I wrote about Swayze at the time of his diag­no­sis last year, and I’ll stand by it. You can read it here.

I just watched the “Dirty Danc­ing” clip again. Great danc­ing, of course, but why did the rest of the movie have to suck so bad? Why is Jerry Orbach glow­er­ing when every­one around him is happy? Why is the orches­tra leader con­duct­ing, when we’ve already clearly seen they’re danc­ing to a record? And when the old peo­ple join in I have to pull the cov­ers over my head and die a lit­tle bit.

(You know a movie I’d pay to see? One about Jen­nifer Grey’s nose job. I know it’s been dis­cussed on TV, but a smart movie that drills down into plas­tic surgery and all its impli­ca­tions, using Baby’s rhino­plasty as a through line? That would be worth doing.)

Oh, and my all-time fave Excru­ci­at­ing NPR Pop-Cult Moment is when Noah Adams tried to lead a seg­ment expli­cat­ing the career of the late Big Pun, the rap­per. Yeah, that guy. Yeah, Noah Adams. It’s still one of the fun­ni­est things I ever heard.

Friends, it appears that cast­ing a cou­ple worms in the job pool this morn­ing has eaten up my blog­ging time. What are we think­ing of “Mad Men” so far this sea­son? I’m think­ing it’s simul­ta­ne­ously won­der­ful and awful, which is, I has­ten to add, a very good thing for me. I love enter­tain­ments where every­one involved points at the high­est rows in the house and says, “That’s what we’re aim­ing for” and then maybe falls short, but dies try­ing. The mood so far this sea­son seems to be “the thing that’s com­ing? It’s get­ting very close…” It’s not quite there yet, so we’re see­ing a lot of Peggy slowly get­ting the mes­sage about what women are worth, really, and Betty ditto, and we really need more Joan, but so far it’s hard to see how it’s all com­ing together. The last scene this week was won­der­ful, all of Betty’s hopes desert­ing her at the time hope likes to do so — in the mid­dle of the night — while the pri­mor­dial ball-and-chain of all wom­ankind wails from its crib. (Yes, it’s a joy, too. It’s both. That’s the point.) She’s going to have the worst post-partum depres­sion ever.

I’m get­ting a lit­tle tired of the hol­laback lines and scenes we’re all sup­posed to tit­ter over. From the un-seat-belted chil­dren play­ing with dry cleaner bags in the first sea­son, we’re now expected to gasp over the OB nurse telling Betty to get ready for her shave and enema. stan­dard for child­birth back in the day. This feels forced.

What say you? I’m off to the gym to think about it.

61 responses to
“Farewell, lively dancer.”

  1. Danny said on September 15th, 2009 at 10:04 am

    Bring­ing this for­ward from yesterday’s thread…

    Brian, I only have time for a quick note, but I wanted to let you know that I took a tour if the Indy 500 museum yes­ter­day and a group of us went around the track in a tour bus. Unlike you and some oth­ers here, I’m not very much of a motor sports enthu­si­ast, but it was dang inter­est­ing. In the museum, my eyes kept drift­ing back to two par­tic­u­lar cars: This Corvette and this Lotus. Beau­ti­ful machines.

    Very cool. I’ll never look at the race the same way again, but I can’t say that it would be a very enjoy­able event on a very hot day. Lot’s of con­crete and sun expo­sure cou­pled with a crowd of 300k would prob­a­bly get old quick.

  2. brian stouder said on September 15th, 2009 at 10:22 am

    IMS is a beau­ti­ful facil­ity, and the museum is very cool. If you’re ever in Dear­born, you have to see the Henry Ford Museum; an engineer’s Dis­ney­land, really

  3. Dorothy said on September 15th, 2009 at 10:39 am

    You are so, so right about “Mad Men.” I think the “thing that’s com­ing” is going to involve the JFK assas­si­na­tion for sure. The show is alter­nately piss­ing me off and fas­ci­nat­ing me. I can’t decide which one is stronger.

  4. Connie said on September 15th, 2009 at 10:49 am

    So Danny, gears and heat treating?

  5. paddyo' said on September 15th, 2009 at 10:51 am

    You ain’t seen bad yet, but it’s a-comin’, Nance …

    Per­son­ally, I kinda liked Swayze in drag in “To Wong Foo, Thanks For Every­thing, Julie New­mar” … viva Vida! But agreed, he was the king of bad movies, prob­a­bly because he brought his dancer’s grace to them, mak­ing them ever-so-slightly less bad.

    As for “Mad Men,” I’m hop­ing both Peggy AND lit­tle Sally end up at Wood­stock later in the decade …

    I agree that there’s been a lot of wait­ing … wait­ing … and wait­ing some more this sea­son for some­thing actu­ally to hap­pen. But in the mean­time, we’ve had a pretty good sem­i­nar in the pre-stirrings of fem­i­nism (or the stir­rings of pre-feminism, whatever) — and the med­ical and busi­ness cul­ture that had held it down (and in some ways still does).

    Favorite line: When the intake nurse, about to wheel Betty to the mater­nity ward, tells Don, “Your job’s done” … yeah, once upon a time, that was true. (Prob­a­bly in some quar­ters it still is …)

    This episode ought to be required view­ing in high school — civics, home ec or what­ever they’re call­ing those classes these days. Not just as “an homage” to how it used to be, either — because that’s not all past us yet. Lower wages for women, and last time I checked, guys don’t get post-partem depression …

  6. LAMary said on September 15th, 2009 at 10:59 am

    The whole shave and enema line didn’t work. Not only was it forced, I don’t think nurses informed patients of what was to come quite as much then. They just did it. I have nephews and nieces born around that time and from hear­ing my sis­ters in law talk with their friends about the birth expe­ri­ence, it seemed like it was some­thing done to them, not some­thing they had any­thing to do with.

  7. Bill White said on September 15th, 2009 at 11:21 am

    As a com­menter at Sepinwall’s blog said about Mad Men: “I can’t think of another show on TV that has so much dread in its silences; there’s been hardly any real vio­lence or hor­ror on the show to speak of, and yet it always feels like doom could break at any moment.”

  8. adrianne said on September 15th, 2009 at 11:21 am

    Nance, you and I know Patrick’s finest oevre was in “North and South.”

  9. moe99 said on September 15th, 2009 at 11:29 am

    I had my wis­dom teeth pulled the spring of 1970 at St. Mary’s Hos­pi­tal, one of the two hos­pi­tals serv­ing the Mayo Clinic. Back in those days it was full anes­thetic surgery – they put you under and you had a day’s hos­pi­tal stay after­wards. I recall wak­ing up from the anes­thetic in a ward filled with beds of other women wak­ing up from being put under, but they had all given birth! I can­not imag­ine what it was like not to have been present at the birth of your child. My dad was in the anes­the­sia res­i­dency pro­gram at Mayo at the time, and they were per­fect­ing epidu­rals then. I remem­ber him com­ing home and talk­ing about it to us kids, it was such a break with tra­di­tion then.

  10. LAMary said on September 15th, 2009 at 11:38 am

    I know Mad Men isn’t a soap opera, but has the ques­tion arisen about the pater­nity of this baby? Remem­ber Betty’s drunken bath­room adven­ture with the stranger?

  11. nancy said on September 15th, 2009 at 11:40 am

    She was preg­gers before that. Remem­ber, in the same episode, her cryp­tic talk with Francine about the pro­ce­dure which dare not speak its name?

    The baby was con­ceived dur­ing her impul­sive middle-of-the-night cou­pling with Don at her father’s house after his stroke.

  12. Danny said on September 15th, 2009 at 11:44 am

    Yeah, Con­nie. I’ve kinda moved up the cor­po­rate food chain over the years, but my career and tech­ni­cal foun­da­tion is based in gear­ing, bear­ings, met­al­lurgy, lubri­ca­tion and machin­ery of all sorts. And I like stay­ing close to the heart­beat of knowl­edge. Too many cor­po­rate types these days think its all done with smoke and mir­rors, firm hand­shakes and deep voices. What­ever, per­haps they watch too much Mad Men. Hehe..

  13. Peter said on September 15th, 2009 at 12:30 pm

    Danny — We vis­ited the Speed­way years ago and loved it. Got to ask — did the bus tour still have the audio tape with “Back home again, in Indiiiiaaannnna”?

    Years ago my sis­ter lived in Speed­way, and even though her apart­ment was over three miles away from the track, she couldn’t leave her place on race day — she woke up at 6:00 am to find cars had parked on her lawn and blocked her garage.

    Brian — Totally agree on the Henry Ford — I con­sider the tools exhibit the equiv­a­lent to Disney’s Main Street — aged and lame. But the rest is worth the trip.

    50’s Child­birth — Pad­dyo’ you’re right — my dad said the nurse said the same to him in the hos­pi­tal lobby when I was due.

    Another story about my sis­ter — when she joined the human race my dad was out of town, so the neighbor’s hus­band drove Mom to the hos­pi­tal. When the nurse, my mom, and the neighbor’s dad went into the ele­va­tor, the nurse said that the hus­band didn’t need to go upstairs. He replied “That’s OK; I’m not her hus­band,” and the nurse fainted.

  14. Jeff Borden said on September 15th, 2009 at 12:30 pm

    I inter­viewed Patrick Swayze in my for­mer life as a TV critic, when he was film­ing “North and South” in Charleston, S.C. in 1985. He was ridicu­lously good look­ing, of course, but he also was very engag­ing and open, dis­cussing the phys­i­cal toll his early dance career had taken on him and his knees and ankles. Like every other dancer I have ever met, he chained smoked like a fiend, but still had the glow and grace of an athlete.

    I know “Road House” is a crappy movie –a Harvard-educated phi­los­o­phy major who works as a bouncer and stitches up his own knife wounds sans painkillers– but can­not deny the stu­pid plea­sures it affords on repeated view­ings. It’s the very def­i­n­i­tion of a guilty pleasure.

  15. LAMary said on September 15th, 2009 at 12:31 pm

    Ok. I wasn’t clear about the tim­ing. I was look­ing for­ward to her hav­ing nag­ging doubt about who the father was. Oh well. I’ll have to look for­ward to other nag­ging doubts.

  16. Colleen said on September 15th, 2009 at 12:32 pm

    My sis­ter and I are of the age that our mother’s expe­ri­ence birthin’ us mir­rored Betty’s. In fact, my dad was home nap­ping when I was born, and mom was out like a trout.

    I agree about the impend­ing doom. It’s just HANGING there. And while not being a mother myself, I totally got that last scene, with the baby cry­ing and just this feel­ing of a giant sigh from Betty, as she kind of said “here we go again.…”

    I adore this show.

  17. Linda said on September 15th, 2009 at 12:42 pm

    I’m a baby boomer, and my father’s expe­ri­ence was just like that – he didn’t hang around the hos­pi­tal, even, when any of the five of us was born. Except for my sis­ter Jo, and that was because it was rain­ing outside,and he didn’t feel like going home in the rain.

  18. beb said on September 15th, 2009 at 12:44 pm

  19. Rana said on September 15th, 2009 at 12:50 pm

    It’s not just the 1950s where the expec­ta­tion of the man being out­side held; my father (in 1970) was present at my birth, but my mother had to argue pretty force­fully to have him allowed in the room with her. (He was also unusual in that he’d taken a par­ent­ing class before­hand, and she broke tra­di­tion fur­ther by doing Lamaze instead of using anesthesia.)

    Regard­ing the total anes­the­sia — I don’t know which is worse, the expec­ta­tion that you’d be drugged to the gills for birth, or the mod­ern expec­ta­tion that you’re going to have a Cae­sarean if you labor “too long.” Nei­ther seems very respect­ful of the woman’s men­tal and phys­i­cal health, dur­ing or after; both seem ori­ented toward “get the baby out with as lit­tle fuss for the doc­tor as possible.”

    (I’m not talk­ing, obvi­ously, about the rare cases where a c-section is the only way to save the baby.)

  20. Julie Robinson said on September 15th, 2009 at 1:01 pm

    My Dad was sent to the police sta­tion dur­ing my birth – they didn’t have a home phone, and since he was a reporter he was there all the time any­way. He always sounded wist­ful that they didn’t allow him in.

    As for the shave and the enema they were still hand­ing those out here in the Fort in 1980. As well as the bleepin’ episiotomies.

    On a hap­pier note: Dorothy, how did your show go? Although I guess Steel Mag­no­lias isn’t all that happy. Full report, includ­ing your role, please.

  21. LAMary said on September 15th, 2009 at 1:06 pm

    Just guess­ing, but I bet Dorothy is Truvy.

  22. Dorothy said on September 15th, 2009 at 1:20 pm

    Hah! I was Truvy about a dozen years ago the first time I was in Steel Mags. Then when we lived in Cincin­nati I did the show again, and that time I was Clairee. This time around I was M’Lynn, and I openly admit to mak­ing every­one (even the guys in the audi­ence, of which there were some) cry when I did the big melt­down scene at the end. The show went okay. Since I’ve done it so many frig­gin’ times I know everyone’s lines. And there­fore I saved sev­eral poten­tial dis­as­ters by prompt­ing nearly every­one when they went blank. I’m glad I’m never doing that play again.

    On a dif­fer­ent note, but tan­gen­tially about Mr. Swayze’s pass­ing, I have to open up a ques­tion to the group. Because we’ve had a huge fam­ily fall out in the last 14 hours or so, all due to some smart ass remark my son put on Face­book last night after the news got out about Patrick’s death. Here’s what Josh posted:

    “Well, at least we now know there’s a decent chance at see­ing ‘Ghost 2.’”

    This sim­ple stu­pid joke brought on a firestorm of crit­i­cism from a cousin on Mike’s side of the fam­ily. She blis­tered my son, and sub­se­quently my daugh­ter, for what she per­ceives as an attack and uncar­ing feel­ings toward some­one with can­cer. Does this com­ment strike any­one as lean­ing in that direc­tion?! I don’t want to get all overly dra­matic about this, but it’s been a hell­ish spec­ta­cle. She included Mike and I, her mother, her brother and his wife on the mes­sage she sent pri­vately thru Face­book. She told them they (my kids) have no class, and asked them if they were busy writ­ing a com­edy rou­tine about dead can­cer patients last May when Mike had his head shaved in sup­port of her brother, who was in the hos­pi­tal fight­ing can­cer at the time.

    Am I right that she over-reacted? Can I have hon­est feed­back here?

  23. LAMary said on September 15th, 2009 at 1:25 pm

    She over reacted. Even if she was pro­foundly offended, why include half the world?

  24. Julie Robinson said on September 15th, 2009 at 1:38 pm

    Sounds like a typ­i­cal smart-ass kid remark. The only prob­lem was writ­ing it in such a pub­lic forum. If that’s his worst offense I wouldn’t worry about him too much. The cousin? Needs to get some perspective.

  25. MarkH said on September 15th, 2009 at 1:44 pm

    Some­thing may be miss­ing there, Dorothy. Did said cousin have some sort of con­nec­tion with can­cer suf­fer­ing we (or you) don’t know about? That would be the only legit­i­mate rea­son for the described reac­tion, oth­er­wise, what LAMary said. And in keep­ing with some­thing I’d expect to see on facebook.

    EDIT — Oh, wait just re-read your post. Still, as it was a celebrity with the “Ghost” movie con­nec­tion and it was not about her brother, the over-reaction opin­ion holds.

  26. Dorothy said on September 15th, 2009 at 1:49 pm

    Mark the cousin who wrote the mes­sage is a female, and her brother had a very pro­longed bat­tle with can­cer last year. I may have men­tioned it once or twice last year in our forums here. He’s doing much bet­ter now. But my hus­band, our kids and I are hav­ing a dif­fi­cult time fig­ur­ing out how she made the leap to think­ing Josh was pok­ing fun of any and all can­cer patients, instead of real­iz­ing the joke referred to had to do with Swayze’s star­ring role in the movie “Ghost” a long time ago. Josh was not say­ing he took plea­sure in the knowl­edge that he died, that he had can­cer, or any­thing along those lines. She took the whole thing out of con­text and hence cre­ated this maelstrom.

    Julie you are right about the smart-ass thing. He comes from a long line of smart asses, par­tic­u­larly his mother.

  27. Peter said on September 15th, 2009 at 1:51 pm

    Dorothy — regard­ing your son’s remark — Ba Da BOOM! I’m here all week, don’t for­get to tip your waitress!

    This lady has obvi­ously not worked in a news room, con­struc­tion site, or trad­ing firm. I under­stand that her brother had the big C, but it’s just about a hack actor in a hack film. Sheesh!

  28. Dorothy said on September 15th, 2009 at 1:54 pm

    All I could think about last night, Peter, as I fell asleep was “Hasn’t she ever heard of gal­lows humor?!?!” Hell we had it in Steel Mag­no­lias when my char­ac­ter says she’s so angry that her daugh­ter is dead, she just wants to hit some­one & make them feel as bad as she does. Then sud­denly another char­ac­ter in the play grabs a third char­ac­ter and pushes her towards me and says ‘HERE Hit this!’.

    I’m mostly wor­ried about what this will do to the rela­tion­ship between my hus­band and his cousin. She is the mother of the over-reacting snot-nosed cousin and her brother. They need each other — nei­ther has a sib­ling and they are very close. I just hope we can all rise above it and move on.

  29. 4dbirds said on September 15th, 2009 at 2:06 pm

    Dorothy, we had awful gal­lows humor in the army. I cringe when I think of some of the jokes we told after some small or large tragedy. I wouldn’t be sur­prised if your cousin has some other rea­son to be mad and is using the face­book entry to express latent rage. Your son sounds like a nor­mal snarky kid to me. He’d fit in at our house.

  30. brian stouder said on September 15th, 2009 at 2:23 pm

    Am I right that she over-reacted

    right as rain, Dorothy.

    I think 4DB hits this squarely – such a snap response, and that level of stri­dency and anger, seems to bespeak a lot of pent-up hos­til­ity (for what­ever other reason)

  31. jeff borden said on September 15th, 2009 at 2:37 pm

    It’s hard to top cops, fire­fight­ers and emer­gency room per­son­nel for gal­lows humor. I remem­ber cov­er­ing a motor­cy­cle fatal­ity in Colum­bus, where the rider had been trav­el­ing at such high speed that his body started shed­ding parts as it rolled down the pavement.

    One of the guys in the acci­dent inves­ti­ga­tion squad said to me, “We’re gonna have to cite that guy for leav­ing the scene of an acci­dent. There’s his leg down there…his torso over there…” Etc.

    Given the hor­rors these peo­ple see on a reg­u­lar basis –and as 4dbirds notes this applies to our mil­i­tary– gal­lows humor seems like a pretty basic cop­ing mech­a­nism to me.

  32. mark said on September 15th, 2009 at 3:09 pm

    Dorothy–

    My advice, since your solic­it­ing: It doesn’t mat­ter who is wrong. This is fam­ily (and I hope they don’t know about this web­site or you may have a new issue).

    Have your son exam­ine what he might have done wrong– being a smart-ass, not under­stand­ing that cousin would see the face-book entry, what­ever. Then issue a sin­cere apol­ogy. From the few facts you have shared, it might be: I’m sorry. I’ve removed that com­ment from my face­book page. I was being sar­cas­tic and going for a cheap laugh. I wasn’t try­ing to mke light of can­cer, but I see how you and oth­ers could take it that way. It was stu­pid of me and I apologize.

    Then be done with the issue. For good. These peo­ple will be with you and your son for the rest of your lives. Which teenager behaved worse isn’t a debate worth hav­ing with family.

  33. Dorothy said on September 15th, 2009 at 3:14 pm

    Mark he already has. He did so at 12:15 this morn­ing, about 90 min­utes after she posted her nasty thoughts. He did it at that time because his sis­ter called him, sob­bing, she was so dis­traught over being unfairly crit­i­cized. I’ll be glad to share it with you in an email if you’d like to read it. Both of my kids apol­o­gized, but then also called her out for her crit­i­ciz­ing my husband’s and my par­ent­ing skills, her rude behav­ior in includ­ing more peo­ple than nec­es­sary in her dia­tribe, and her tone in gen­eral. And none of these peo­ple are teenagers. The cousin is 38, her brother is 34, my kids are 26 and 24. All adults.

  34. mark said on September 15th, 2009 at 3:29 pm

    Well, sorry it’s gone that far. While it is eas­ier to recite than to fol­low, I like the advice that says you can only con­trol you, and your respon­si­bilty is to police your own side of the street. Whether the other guy ever sees the light isn’t your responsibility.

    Since she has already been alerted to her excesses, there isn’t much more to do. She may never agree, but you can’t con­trol that. Hope your son can just let it go. In meet­ings I attend, it’s some­times said that resent­ments are a poi­son you feed your­self, think­ing it will make the other per­son sick. Or space you let some­one else rent in your head. It’s a seren­ity prayer thing. Your son attempted to chnge the thing he can with his apol­ogy. Hope he can find the seren­ity to accept the thing he can’t change– her response.

    Edit: You write “Face­book”, I read “teenager.” God, I’m get­ting old.

  35. LAMary said on September 15th, 2009 at 4:19 pm

  36. paddyo' said on September 15th, 2009 at 4:42 pm

    Dorothy, I’ll only add — hav­ing been in a sim­i­lar sit­u­a­tion for a smart-assed jour­nal­ist remark I made to my “civil­ian” older brother a few years ago in an “instant mes­sage” chat — that on the Inter­net, sub­tlety and sar­casm and the rest of the gray-area fam­ily of humor­ous dis­course fre­quently fall on tone-deaf ears.

    A lot of things that would elicit guf­faws, espe­cially accom­pa­nied by body lan­guage, facial expres­sion, comic tim­ing, the whole gamut of face-to-face telling, sim­ply don’t exist in cyber­space. And there are a LOT of peo­ple for whom this won­der­ful, edgy kind of humor sim­ply does NOT trans­late in pix­i­lated characters.

    I wish it weren’t so, because I often want to say, Oh please, get a LIFE, peo­ple!, to those who don’t get it. But online and in e-mail, a lot of peo­ple “don’t get it,” and it’s rarely worth the pain.

    For­tu­nately, in my own case, a tele­phone mea culpa (I was aston­ished at how I had ended up being a bad guy, but I just had to swal­low it and get it over with) and a bou­quet of flow­ers (another fam­ily mem­ber, his grown daugh­ter, was the sub­ject of my badly deliv­ered wise­crack “joke”) smoothed it over.

    But I remain gun­shy to this day … and maybe that’s a good thing.

    Good luck patch­ing things up, and I hope it goes swiftly and as smoothly as you can.

  37. Connie said on September 15th, 2009 at 4:43 pm

    And I saw my first snug­gie ad last night on TV. Ani­mal prints! Dog wear!

    Dorothy my first thought is over reac­tion, but then I’m the one that thinks my evil SIL still owes me an apol­ogy, lo these 22 years later.

  38. LAMary said on September 15th, 2009 at 5:05 pm

    My grand­mother used to call a cer­tain type of slightly above knee length ther­mal under­wear snug­gies. She used to attempt to force me to wear these in the win­ter. Hah.

  39. joodyb said on September 15th, 2009 at 5:52 pm

    I remem­ber those, LAMary. My mom wouldn’t buy us the more allur­ing pet­ti­pants, but we got those, for “warmth.” the boys had a name for them. i think it was “birth control.”

  40. LAMary said on September 15th, 2009 at 6:24 pm

  41. moe99 said on September 15th, 2009 at 7:18 pm

    a Bush speech­writer pens his memoir:

    http://​men​.style​.com/​g​q​/​f​e​a​t​u​r​e​s​/​l​a​n​d​i​n​g​?​i​d​=​c​o​n​t​e​n​t​_10957

    Not lookin’ good for ol’ Bushie there.….

    my favorite part of the article:

    “When White House press sec­re­tary Dana Perino was told that 77 per­cent of the coun­try thought we were on the wrong track, she said what I was think­ing: “Who on earth is in the other 23 per­cent?” I knew who they were — the same peo­ple sup­port­ing the John McCain cam­paign. Me? I fig­ured there was no way in hell any Repub­li­can would vote for that guy. John McCain, the tem­pera­men­tal media dar­ling, had spent most of the past eight years run­ning against the Repub­li­can Party and the pres­i­dent — Repub­li­cans on Capi­tol Hill and at the White House hated him. Choos­ing John McCain as our standard-bearer would be the height of self-delusion. It would be like putting Camilla Parker Bowles in charge of the Princess Diana Foundation.

    As it turned out, I was the one who was deluded. The peo­ple I worked with in the White House were the most loyal of the Bush loy­al­ists. Dana Perino was so sen­si­tive to crit­i­cism of Bush that she once said she couldn’t watch the Demo­c­ra­tic con­ven­tion because it would be “too mean” to the pres­i­dent. Yet I watched them embrace McCain enthu­si­as­ti­cally — back­ing a guy who’d worked so hard to under­mine them. It was a cyn­i­cal bargain.”

  42. moe99 said on September 15th, 2009 at 7:22 pm

    Oh wait! I have one more favorite part of the mem­oir:
    Refer­ring to Sarah Palin:

    “I’m try­ing to remem­ber if I’ve met her before. I’m sure I must have.” His eyes twin­kled, then he asked, “What is she, the gov­er­nor of Guam?”

    “This woman is being put into a posi­tion she is not even remotely pre­pared for,” he said. “She hasn’t spent one day on the national level.”

  43. del said on September 15th, 2009 at 8:17 pm

    Dorothy, they’re over­re­act­ing. Really.

    Back to Dirty Danc­ing. I checked out Jen­nifer Grey’s nose job and was sur­prised, it’s not bad, just dif­fer­ent. I was expect­ing a Michael Jack­son deal. Her nose was a dis­tin­guish­ing fea­ture. Too bad she changed it.

    And the movie Ghost. Women liked it, men didn’t as I recall. Same with Dirty Danc­ing come to think of it.

  44. LAMary said on September 15th, 2009 at 8:26 pm

    I never saw Ghost. The pres­ence of Demi Moore and Whoopi Gold­berg in one movie would be a very effec­tive repel­lent for me. I’ve seen Dirty Danc­ing on tele­vi­sion. I won­dered why Jerry Ohrbach walked around being pissed off too. He’s not a bad actor, so some­one was direct­ing him to be that way. Lots of things made no sense in that movie.
    The SNL sketch with Chris Far­ley was ter­rific. They were both just perfect.

  45. coozledad said on September 15th, 2009 at 8:27 pm

    moe99: My favorite part is the mul­ti­di­men­sional hubris that accom­pa­nied the inser­tee into the White House. He was unable to under­stand that he was a direct prod­uct of the dix­ie­crat walk­out of ’48, or at least, unwill­ing to accept it.
    He was worse than clue­less: He believed what his wal­nut of a brain was telling him:
    “In 2008, Bush also told Latimer to take out a ref­er­ence to the “con­ser­v­a­tive move­ment” in a speech. “Let me tell you some­thing,” the Pres­i­dent said. “I whupped Gary Bauer’s ass in 2000. So take out all this move­ment stuff. There is no move­ment.” When Latimer was “per­plexed,” Bush explained, “Look, I know this prob­a­bly sounds arro­gant to say,” the pres­i­dent said, “but I rede­fined the Repub­li­can Party.”

  46. brian stouder said on September 15th, 2009 at 9:43 pm

    When Latimer was “per­plexed,” Bush explained, “Look, I know this prob­a­bly sounds arro­gant to say,” the pres­i­dent said, “but I rede­fined the Repub­li­can Party.”

    A guest on Olber­mann had a great quip, after that very same quote — some­thing like:

    Yeah — he rede­fined the Repub­li­can Party from “Major­ity” to “Minority”!!

  47. coozledad said on September 15th, 2009 at 10:06 pm

    Brian: My big worry is the Repub­li­can party will choose civil unrest over a brief irrel­e­vance. There seem to be some grow­ing indi­ca­tions that this isn’t a fait accom­pli, but you just never know. Par­tic­u­larly when the sons of South Car­olina see an opening.

  48. brian stouder said on September 15th, 2009 at 10:09 pm

    By the way — I vote to for­mally rebuke the Pro­pri­etress for lob­bing that tur­d­ball “meme-orandum’ link yes­ter­day. I clicked the thing a few min­utes ago, and now I have to go take a shower and scrub the grimey stu­pid­ity off.

    In look­ing back, I guess there was a context-clue warn­ing about that site — but sheesh! If there’s “nsfw” warn­ings, then we also need “cfbs” warnings

  49. nancy said on September 15th, 2009 at 10:13 pm

    What’s wrong with meme­o­ran­dum? It’s just an aggre­ga­tor of what peo­ple are blog­ging around at any given moment. Did you get some­thing else?

  50. Deborah said on September 15th, 2009 at 11:43 pm

    Dorothy, sounds like an over-reaction to me too.

    I’m tired, back from a 2 day busi­ness trip to Miami. I grew up there, I had a mis­er­able life there and going back is depress­ing. I feel like Deb­bie Downer tonight.

    Glad to be back in Chicago.

  51. Danny said on September 15th, 2009 at 11:54 pm

    Well, after a whole cou­ple days of too lit­tle sleep and too much of hav­ing to talk intel­li­gently in front of strangers, I finally escaped for a lit­tle canal walk tonight. Very nice. I could almost imag­ine I was walk­ing along the Seine and cross­ing Pont Neuf at the end.

    … okay, I’m fin­ished wax­ing roman­tic about Indy. Mary, you sav­ing my seat back in Cal­i­for­nia? I miss it!

    Man, I don’t know if I men­tioned this but, I thought this place was cen­tral time until the sec­ond day. No. It’s at the END of the east­ern time zone. The late evening light fooled me.

  52. Danny said on September 15th, 2009 at 11:58 pm

    Wow, Dorothy. Over reac­tion … and your son’s joke was pretty good. Prob­a­bly shouldn’t tell the cousin I said that though. It’s too soon.

  53. coozledad said on September 16th, 2009 at 12:39 am

  54. crazycatlady said on September 16th, 2009 at 1:13 am

    My twin sis­ters were born in 1956. They were a sur­prise to my mom and her doc­tor. Back then they just never knew. Gee, Mom loved her Mater­nity Martinis.…Just Kid­ding!! lol

  55. Connie said on September 16th, 2009 at 6:39 am

    Let me get this straight. Mr Danny Cal­i­for­nia is com­plain­ing about too much sun­shine in Indiana?

    Oh Danny, if you only knew. Day­light sav­ings is rel­a­tively new here, and still controversial.

  56. alex said on September 16th, 2009 at 7:45 am

    If you want to know where the GOP gets its incred­i­ble knack for turn­ing Joe Six­pack into a zom­bie shit sales­man, get a load of our class of ’94 Hoosier congressmen:

    http://​www​.jour​nal​gazette​.net/​a​r​t​i​c​l​e​/​2​0​0​9​0​9​1​6​/​N​E​W​S​0​3​/​3​0​9​1​6​9​9​9​0​/​1​0​0​2​/LOCAL

    Souder and Pence are two of the biggest prim­i­tives in all of Con­gress, out­side of the South Car­olina del­e­ga­tion. I was hop­ing the blue tide might finally knock them out of their ger­ry­man­dered seats, but no luck. Maybe next year.

  57. Jeff (the mild-mannered one) said on September 16th, 2009 at 7:59 am

    Lots of pro­duce pick­ers here, so i sus­pect there’s more than a few inter­ested in what i saw at Lyanda Haupt’s “The Tan­gled Nest” blog on how to mit­i­gate fruit flies in the house with big last piles of toma­toes (espe­cially the last suggestion):

    “The fruit fly life cycle is crazy-fast – egg to adult in seven days– and it’s hard to match their men­ac­ing tenac­ity. The very best way to con­trol fruit flies is scrupu­lous sanitation:

    * Keep fruit with even the tini­est bit of bro­ken skin in the fridge.
    * Wipe coun­ters, wash dishes, rinse out sinks imme­di­ately.
    * Wipe the edges of open wine bot­tles, and keep them in the fridge if you can (just one fruit fly in the bot­tle with give the rest of the wine a sick-sweet taste).
    * Even with their skins on, bananas are great fruit fly attrac­tor, so it’s best to avoid them (who needs bananas any­way, with all the gor­geous local pro­duce to be had?).
    * Take out your com­post scraps twice a day, and keep them cov­ered between-times. Ditto the gar­gabe can.
    * Make a sim­ple trap by drop­ping a few of their favorite foods (skinned plums, toma­toes, bal­samic vine­gar, wine…) in a bowl, cover with plas­tic wrap that has lit­tle holes poked in it – the fruit flies will get in, but look at how tiny those brains must be; they won’t get out.
    * And just for fun, add a Venus fly­trap or two!

  58. John said on September 16th, 2009 at 8:04 am

    I heard once that the direc­tor of Dirty Danc­ing thought all the local extras looked out of place as it was being filmed in North Car­olina and they were sup­pos­edly Jew­ish New York City types. The extras were too fair and too South­ern look­ing. So some­one on the staff got the bright idea of con­tact­ing North Car­olina syn­a­gogues and char­ter­ing buses to haul in real Jews for the back­ground extras. Seemed like a flaw­less plan until the buses arrived with Jew­ish extras who looked too fair and too Southern!

  59. brian stouder said on September 16th, 2009 at 8:48 am

    Wow Alex — the arti­cle you linked made my eyes cross! On top of all the ridicu­lous invec­tive aimed at the pres­i­dent, Mark Souder goes blithely on to make a flatly racist remark!! What­ever one thinks of the president’s verac­ity, or of the inter­rup­tion from the mem­ber of con­gress from South Car­olina, what the hell dif­fer­ence does the color of the skin of other mem­bers of con­gress make?

    PS — when I clicked ‘meme-orandum’ it was wall-to-wall rightwing ads and posts and com­men­tors; Malkin and Han­nity and Beck and Freep­ers and Deathers and Birthers and guns and “YOU LIE”.…and I had to hit EJECT!!

    But maybe it was just 99 cent wingnut night, over there

  60. Danny said on September 16th, 2009 at 9:16 am

    Let me get this straight. Mr Danny Cal­i­for­nia is com­plain­ing about too much sun­shine in Indiana?

    Hahaha! Good obser­va­tion, Connie.

  61. Randy said on September 16th, 2009 at 9:58 am

    I think Kathryn Bigelow directed The Hurt Locker and Point Break.

    Point Break isn’t great by any means, but the scene where Keanu Reeves jumps out of the plane with­out a para­chute, in hopes of latch­ing onto Patrick Sawyze, mid-air, that scene is kind of cool.